Hi Karen!! The S.Roque/StºAntónio/S.Martinho Gomes Jardins are my father's line, though since 200 years ago we changed the name to Gomes Perneta. I've been to your website some time ago, and I already inteeded to connect "those unknown Hawaiian cousins" to my genealogy, which hopefully I'll be doing now. I've at least 3 (different?) lines of Gomes Jardim, and the farest generation I went on them, until now, is Manuel Gomes Jardim b. about 1590/1600, married to Ana Fernandes about 1620 (in Stº António?). My father's Gomes Jardim lineage ends with António Afonso, who married Maria Gomes Jardim about 1670 (God knows where), thus it is Gomes Jardim by female. You mention a Sebastião Gomes Jardim there, who was married to Francisca Gomes Jardim. This Gomes Jardim from Francisca is a yet a different line, which apparently has come at a later time directly from Ponta do Pargo to Stº António, where they married the local Gomes Jardim family (which were not close relatives, according to their marriage record). Maybe next week I'll have more on theat family. :) BTW, I believe we are closely related by way of the wives of these Gomes Jardins. Can you post more about their ancestry? I recall seeing a Caires there, which is very familiar to me. I also recall seeing "Sant'Ana" mentioned somewhere in your website. This little place of S. Roque is one of the ancestral nests of my father's family. :) Paulo On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:22:19 -0500, Karen Forbes <Forbes0310@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello everyone. I've been reading all the recent email activity and > thought I'd put my husband's line "out there" to see if anyone might be > related--or know anyone who is--or can connect the line to earlier > ancestors. The surname is Gomes Jardim. The earliest I've been able to > get is in the mid-late 1600's in Santo Antonio parish, Funchal. Of > course, the earliest generations are pretty sketchy. My husband and I > visited Madeira in 2002 and had a wonderful time--of course I spent most > of the trip at the archives. The birth dates listed below I got from the > baptism records. Does anyone have any info to link up the following? > > 1. Manual Gonzales Jardim was born abt. 1668 perhaps in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married Isabel Rodrigez perhaps in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. She was born abt. 1668. Child of Manual > Jardim and Isabel Rodrigez is: > + 2 Manual Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1693 perhaps in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. > > Generation No. 2 > 2. Manual Gomes Jardim was born abt. 1693 perhaps in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married Maria Gomes bet. 1700 - 1720 > perhaps in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Antonio de > Agrela and Maria Gomes. She was born abt. 1700 perhaps in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. Children of Manual Jardim and Maria Gomes > are: > + 3 ?Barnardo Gomes3 Jardim, born abt. 1716. > + 4 Joao Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1718 perhaps in ?Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. > > Generation No. 3 > 3. ?Barnardo Gomes Jardim was born abt. 1716. He married > Francisca de ?Vacim. Children of ?Barnardo Jardim and Francisca de > ?Vacim are: > 5 Estavao Gomes Jardim, born December 26, 1732 in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. > 6 Coleta Maria Gomes Jardim, born June 02, 1734 in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. > 7 Joseph Gomes Jardim, born November 1736 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. > > 4. Joao Gomes Jardim was born abt. 1718 perhaps in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. He married Maria Gomes Jardim February 13, 1742/43 in > Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Sebastino Jardim and > Francisca Jardim. She was born abt. 1723 perhaps in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. > Children of Joao Jardim and Maria Jardim are: > 8 Anna Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1751. She married Dominges > Fernandes 1776 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. > 9 Antonio Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1752. He married (1) Maria > da Corey(?) April 07, 1777 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He > married (2) Maria Joaquinna Gomes May 02, 1789 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. > 10 ?Claytonao Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1753. He married Anna > Gomes November 08, 1778 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madiera. > 11 ?Antonio Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1760. He married (1) Maria > ____________. He married (2) Maria Joaquina ____________ May 02, 1789 > in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. > +12 Francisco Gomes Jardim, born 1764 - 1765 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira; died February 1842 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. > 13 Julianna Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1765. She married Joao > Fernandes Camacho December 10, 1780 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madiera. > +14 Francisca Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1768 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira; died bef. September 1823. > > Generation No. 4 > 12. Francisco Gomes Jardim was born 1764 - 1765 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira, and died February 1842 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, > Madeira. He married (1) Anna Rosa da ?Conxicius November 18, 1789 in > Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Francisco Dias and Antonia > da Conciscuis. She died bef. July 18, 179810. He married (2) Antonia > Maria de Jesus July 18, 1798 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, > daughter of Manuel Francisco and Quinteria Maria. She was born abt. > 1773 in Sao Pedro, Funchal, Madeira, and died aft. February 04, 1842. > Children of Francisco Jardim and Antonia deJesus are: > +15 Joao Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1812 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira; died February 02, 1873 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, > Madeira. > 16 Antonio Gomes Jardim, born June 15, 1813 in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira4; died 1865 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, > Madeira. He married Maria Gomes August 19, 1838 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. > There is a record of an Antonio Gomes Jardim who died ____ > 9, 1865, in Santo Antonio, Funchal, at the age of 4_ the "casde/covu * > Maria de Jesus." If this is the correct Antonio, then his wife's name > was actually Maria de Jesus. > 17 Manuel Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1820 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. He married Antonia Marie de Jesus August 03, 1840 in > Sao Pedro, Funchal, Madeira. > > Generation No. 5 > 15. Joao Gomes Jardim was born abt. 1812 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira, and died February 02, 1873 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, > Madeira. He married Emilia Carolina Gomes Jardim February 18, 1833 in > Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Joao Gomes Camacho and > Francisca Gomes Jardim. Emilia was born March 27, 1812 in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. She was baptized: April 02, 1812, Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. > The death records of the church in Santo Antonio, Funchal, list Joao > as both Joao Gomes Peneireico and Joao Gomes Jardim Pereira. The record > states he died Feb. 2, 1873, aged 60, and was the son of Francisco Gomes > Jardim and Antonia Gomes. His granddaughter Augusta Gomes Jardin (b. > 1886) wrote some notes about the family on the back of an envelope and > listed his name and that of his wife as: > "Joao G Jardin > Emilia > Peneireiro". > I don't quite understand this. Anyone have any ideas? Children > of Joao Jardim and Emilia Jardim are: > 18 Maria Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1835. > 19 Emilia Gomes Jardim, born August 24, 1837 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. > 20 Joao Gomes Jardim, born January 1840 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. > 21 Joaquina Gomes Jardim, born March 16, 1843 in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. > 22 Jose Gomes Jardim, born May 10, 1845 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira; died abt. September 16, 1848 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. > 23 Antonio Gomes Jardim, born July 02, 1847 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira; died January 04, 1849 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, > Madeira. > 24 Anonomi Gomes Jardim, born 1849 in Funchal, Madeira; died > November 11, 1849 > > Generation No. 6 > 25. Antonio Gomes Jardim was born January 06, 1851 in Santo > Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, and died August 12, 1925 in Hilo, HI. He > married **Augusta Maria Camacho October 24, 1869 in Sao Pedro, Funchal, > Madeira, daughter of Antonio Fernandes Camacho and Julia Maria Candida. > Augusta was born Feb. 25, 1850 in Sao Pedro, Funchal, Madeira, and died > January 28, 1926 in Oakland, CA. > They immigrated to Hawaii in 1883 on board the Hankow and settled in > Hilo, HI. Later went to California. > Children of Antonio Jardim and Augusta Camacho are: > 27 Joao Gomes Jardine, born March 30, 1870 in Funchal, > Madeira; died October 04, 1932 in Oakland, CA; married Maria/Mary > Lawrence, December 25, 1892 in Hilo, HI, daughter of Frank Lawrence and > Louisa. She was born January 1, 1876 in Madeira, and died February 7, > 1941 in Oakland, CA. > 28 Maria Gomes Jardin, born February 01, 1872 in Funchal, > Madeira; died January 15, 1942 in Oakland, CA. 29 > Emilia Gomes Jardin, born February 24, 1874 in Funchal, Madeira; died > December 12, 1952 in San Jose, CA. > 30 Antonio Gomes Jardin, born November 02, 1876 in Funchal, > Madeira; died July 25, 1934 in Walnut Creek, CA; married Georgina Costa. > 31 Augusta Gomes Jardin, born May 13, 1882 in Funchal, > Madeira; died 1883-1886 in Hilo, HI. > 32 Augusta Gomes Jardin, born January 22, 1886 in Hilo, HI; > died May 16, 1963 in Oakland, CA. > 33 Julia Gomes Jardin, born February 15, 1888 in Hilo, HI; > died October 17, 1926 in Oakland, CA. > 34 Anthony Gomes Jardin, born April 29, 1891 in Hilo, HI; > died December 12, 1971 in Fremont, CA. > > 26. Jose Gomes Jardim was born February 25, 1853 in Santo Antonio, > Funchal, Madeira. He married Marianna abt. 1885 in HI. She was born in > Mach 1863 in Sao Miguel, Azores. > Jose emigrated from Madeira to Hawaii on March 21, 1884, about a year > after his brother Antonio and his family came to Hawaii. I don't know > what happened to him or his wife. Children of Jose Jardim and > Marianna are: > 35 Manuel Gomes Jardim, born November 1885. (son or stepson > of Jose) > 36 Ernima Jardim, born March 1892. > 37 Adelida Jardim, born November 1893. > > Generation No. 7 > 27. Joao Gomes Jardine (Antonio Gomes Jardim, Joao Gomes, > Francisco Gomes) was born March 30, 1870 in Funchal, Madeira, and died > October 04, 1932 in Oakland, CA. He married Maria Lawrence December 25, > 1892 in ?Hilo, HI, daughter of Frank Lawrence and Louisa. She was born > January 1, 1876 in Madeira, and died February 7, 1941 in Oakland, CA. > > Thanks. Karen > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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In that case, I don't believe you'll have much success on these ones. There are many, many Afonso families on Madeira (it was a very common patronimic). They include my fathers lineage (Gomes Perneta/Gomes Jardim) that is ending now on an António Afonso, parhaps family of another António Afonso (Falcão) that I've found Wednesday to be my ancestor by way of the Pinto Correias. He's niece of another António Afonso, who named him as universal heir on early 18th century. The Afonsos were especially common on Stº António and S. Martinho, both of them Funchal's rural suburban parishes. One well known Afonso family has kept that surname until our days, and still live on Stº António. They own one of the oldest cars around, a beautiful Austin from 1924, with which they use to ride on the old automobile races we often organize here. If I am correct these ones descend from yet another António Afonso, which was a singer(!!!) on the 18th century. I am curious why you used "Alfonso" and not "Afonso", as I've seen it wrote that way on the records of marriages of Spanish soldiers when they were occupying the Island (late 16th, early 17th cent.) Is it writen "ALFONSO" on the records you saw? This is important, as it can mean he was Spanish (true dead end), though it would be more probable that it was a typo. I believe we never used "Alfonso" here in Portugal, not even on ancient times. Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:25:43 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > Actually the one name of my ancestor...that also shows up in Sao > Martinho is > Jacinto Alfonso (or Afonso if you prefer) > And there are only 2 in the marriage database with this name...one being > my > "dead end" ancestor in Santo Antonio de Serra!!!. > Cece > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paulo Gomes Jardim [mailto:darwin@spamcop.net] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:16 PM > To: cece@soccer4all.com; PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Sao Martinho - 1902 marriage film? > > > These Martins de Nobregas are the direct line of his maternal grand > mother. > I've not told him yet what I found on worldconnect - probably on your > database - which will help him greatly as he's starting the genealogy of > his mother side now, but I predict that he'll be delighed to know. :) > > These Nobregas were like rabbits, and in particular on Caniço there are > hoards of them. > If you are interested on that family there's a genealogy on NESOS. > > So, if it was not Nobrega that you were looking for on 1902, S. Martinho, > could it be...Sarsfield? :) > > Paulo > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:07:44 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> > wrote: > >> Well, I have quite a lot of Nobregas in Santo Antonio de Serra (the >> majority >> of them are Martins de Nobregas)...none are direct ancestors. >> This was one of our first areas to research and we got a little carried >> away >> (kinda like I am in Porto da Cruz now!!!) >> Tell your cousin to give me a hollar if he/she is interested! >> Cece >> (my only ancestor Nobrega is an Apolonia Nobrega de Sousa from Canico in >> 1673) > > > -- > " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- > Horacio > > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

These Martins de Nobregas are the direct line of his maternal grand mother. I've not told him yet what I found on worldconnect - probably on your database - which will help him greatly as he's starting the genealogy of his mother side now, but I predict that he'll be delighed to know. :) These Nobregas were like rabbits, and in particular on Caniço there are hoards of them. If you are interested on that family there's a genealogy on NESOS. So, if it was not Nobrega that you were looking for on 1902, S. Martinho, could it be...Sarsfield? :) Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:07:44 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > Well, I have quite a lot of Nobregas in Santo Antonio de Serra (the > majority > of them are Martins de Nobregas)...none are direct ancestors. > This was one of our first areas to research and we got a little carried > away > (kinda like I am in Porto da Cruz now!!!) > Tell your cousin to give me a hollar if he/she is interested! > Cece > (my only ancestor Nobrega is an Apolonia Nobrega de Sousa from Canico in > 1673) -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Cece, Would you be, perhaps, the person that is researching the Nobregas on Santo da Serra and Machico? If you are, I have a cousin that would probably be very, very interested... :) Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:12:28 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > I know its a longshot...but I was wondering if any of you out there might > currently have this film out for loan... > and might be willing to do a lookup for me. > It is not an area I have any reason to research, except that I found one > of > my " very unusual" ancestor names > there that I would like to check out to see if there is any connection. > I would be more than willing to return the favor for anyone needing > anything > from "my" areas consisting of > Santa Cruz, Santo Antonio de Serra, Porto da Cruz, Canico and Santana! > Cece > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

This happened last time they updated the database, last January... Hopefully they are doing the same now. Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:21:44 -0800 (PST), Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > For the past couple of days when I try to access the marriage record > base of ARM I get this message... has anyone else experienced this? > Pat > Microsoft JET Database Engine error '80004005' Cannot open database ''. > It may not be a database that your application recognizes, or the file > may be corrupt. > > /bds/ASP/Ccasamentossrch.asp, line 92 > > > > Patricia Julia Silva Corbera > A Journey of Discovery > www.geocities.com/papagaia2 > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Ditto here. -------------- Original message -------------- > For the past couple of days when I try to access the marriage record base of ARM > I get this message... has anyone else experienced this? > Pat > > Microsoft JET Database Engine error '80004005' Cannot open database ''. It may > not be a database that your application recognizes, or the file may be corrupt. > > /bds/ASP/Ccasamentossrch.asp, line 92 > > > > Patricia Julia Silva Corbera > A Journey of Discovery > www.geocities.com/papagaia2 > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hello everyone. I've been reading all the recent email activity and thought I'd put my husband's line "out there" to see if anyone might be related--or know anyone who is--or can connect the line to earlier ancestors. The surname is Gomes Jardim. The earliest I've been able to get is in the mid-late 1600's in Santo Antonio parish, Funchal. Of course, the earliest generations are pretty sketchy. My husband and I visited Madeira in 2002 and had a wonderful time--of course I spent most of the trip at the archives. The birth dates listed below I got from the baptism records. Does anyone have any info to link up the following? 1. Manual Gonzales Jardim was born abt. 1668 perhaps in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married Isabel Rodrigez perhaps in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. She was born abt. 1668. Child of Manual Jardim and Isabel Rodrigez is: + 2 Manual Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1693 perhaps in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. Generation No. 2 2. Manual Gomes Jardim was born abt. 1693 perhaps in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married Maria Gomes bet. 1700 - 1720 perhaps in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Antonio de Agrela and Maria Gomes. She was born abt. 1700 perhaps in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. Children of Manual Jardim and Maria Gomes are: + 3 ?Barnardo Gomes3 Jardim, born abt. 1716. + 4 Joao Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1718 perhaps in ?Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. Generation No. 3 3. ?Barnardo Gomes Jardim was born abt. 1716. He married Francisca de ?Vacim. Children of ?Barnardo Jardim and Francisca de ?Vacim are: 5 Estavao Gomes Jardim, born December 26, 1732 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 6 Coleta Maria Gomes Jardim, born June 02, 1734 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 7 Joseph Gomes Jardim, born November 1736 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 4. Joao Gomes Jardim was born abt. 1718 perhaps in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married Maria Gomes Jardim February 13, 1742/43 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Sebastino Jardim and Francisca Jardim. She was born abt. 1723 perhaps in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. Children of Joao Jardim and Maria Jardim are: 8 Anna Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1751. She married Dominges Fernandes 1776 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 9 Antonio Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1752. He married (1) Maria da Corey(?) April 07, 1777 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married (2) Maria Joaquinna Gomes May 02, 1789 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 10 ?Claytonao Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1753. He married Anna Gomes November 08, 1778 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madiera. 11 ?Antonio Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1760. He married (1) Maria ____________. He married (2) Maria Joaquina ____________ May 02, 1789 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. +12 Francisco Gomes Jardim, born 1764 - 1765 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira; died February 1842 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 13 Julianna Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1765. She married Joao Fernandes Camacho December 10, 1780 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madiera. +14 Francisca Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1768 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira; died bef. September 1823. Generation No. 4 12. Francisco Gomes Jardim was born 1764 - 1765 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, and died February 1842 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married (1) Anna Rosa da ?Conxicius November 18, 1789 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Francisco Dias and Antonia da Conciscuis. She died bef. July 18, 179810. He married (2) Antonia Maria de Jesus July 18, 1798 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Manuel Francisco and Quinteria Maria. She was born abt. 1773 in Sao Pedro, Funchal, Madeira, and died aft. February 04, 1842. Children of Francisco Jardim and Antonia deJesus are: +15 Joao Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1812 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira; died February 02, 1873 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 16 Antonio Gomes Jardim, born June 15, 1813 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira4; died 1865 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married Maria Gomes August 19, 1838 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. There is a record of an Antonio Gomes Jardim who died ____ 9, 1865, in Santo Antonio, Funchal, at the age of 4_ the "casde/covu * Maria de Jesus." If this is the correct Antonio, then his wife's name was actually Maria de Jesus. 17 Manuel Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1820 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married Antonia Marie de Jesus August 03, 1840 in Sao Pedro, Funchal, Madeira. Generation No. 5 15. Joao Gomes Jardim was born abt. 1812 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, and died February 02, 1873 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married Emilia Carolina Gomes Jardim February 18, 1833 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Joao Gomes Camacho and Francisca Gomes Jardim. Emilia was born March 27, 1812 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. She was baptized: April 02, 1812, Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. The death records of the church in Santo Antonio, Funchal, list Joao as both Joao Gomes Peneireico and Joao Gomes Jardim Pereira. The record states he died Feb. 2, 1873, aged 60, and was the son of Francisco Gomes Jardim and Antonia Gomes. His granddaughter Augusta Gomes Jardin (b. 1886) wrote some notes about the family on the back of an envelope and listed his name and that of his wife as: "Joao G Jardin Emilia Peneireiro". I don't quite understand this. Anyone have any ideas? Children of Joao Jardim and Emilia Jardim are: 18 Maria Gomes Jardim, born abt. 1835. 19 Emilia Gomes Jardim, born August 24, 1837 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 20 Joao Gomes Jardim, born January 1840 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 21 Joaquina Gomes Jardim, born March 16, 1843 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 22 Jose Gomes Jardim, born May 10, 1845 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira; died abt. September 16, 1848 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 23 Antonio Gomes Jardim, born July 02, 1847 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira; died January 04, 1849 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. 24 Anonomi Gomes Jardim, born 1849 in Funchal, Madeira; died November 11, 1849 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. + 25 Antonio Gomes Jardim, born January 06, 1851 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira; died August 12, 1925 in Hilo, HI. +26 Jose Gomes Jardim, born February 25, 1853 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. Generation No. 6 25. Antonio Gomes Jardim was born January 06, 1851 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira, and died August 12, 1925 in Hilo, HI. He married **Augusta Maria Camacho October 24, 1869 in Sao Pedro, Funchal, Madeira, daughter of Antonio Fernandes Camacho and Julia Maria Candida. Augusta was born Feb. 25, 1850 in Sao Pedro, Funchal, Madeira, and died January 28, 1926 in Oakland, CA. They immigrated to Hawaii in 1883 on board the Hankow and settled in Hilo, HI. Later went to California. Children of Antonio Jardim and Augusta Camacho are: 27 Joao Gomes Jardine, born March 30, 1870 in Funchal, Madeira; died October 04, 1932 in Oakland, CA; married Maria/Mary Lawrence, December 25, 1892 in Hilo, HI, daughter of Frank Lawrence and Louisa. She was born January 1, 1876 in Madeira, and died February 7, 1941 in Oakland, CA. 28 Maria Gomes Jardin, born February 01, 1872 in Funchal, Madeira; died January 15, 1942 in Oakland, CA. 29 Emilia Gomes Jardin, born February 24, 1874 in Funchal, Madeira; died December 12, 1952 in San Jose, CA. 30 Antonio Gomes Jardin, born November 02, 1876 in Funchal, Madeira; died July 25, 1934 in Walnut Creek, CA; married Georgina Costa. 31 Augusta Gomes Jardin, born May 13, 1882 in Funchal, Madeira; died 1883-1886 in Hilo, HI. 32 Augusta Gomes Jardin, born January 22, 1886 in Hilo, HI; died May 16, 1963 in Oakland, CA. 33 Julia Gomes Jardin, born February 15, 1888 in Hilo, HI; died October 17, 1926 in Oakland, CA. 34 Anthony Gomes Jardin, born April 29, 1891 in Hilo, HI; died December 12, 1971 in Fremont, CA. 26. Jose Gomes Jardim was born February 25, 1853 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira. He married Marianna abt. 1885 in HI. She was born in Mach 1863 in Sao Miguel, Azores. Jose emigrated from Madeira to Hawaii on March 21, 1884, about a year after his brother Antonio and his family came to Hawaii. I don't know what happened to him or his wife. Children of Jose Jardim and Marianna are: 35 Manuel Gomes Jardim, born November 1885. (son or stepson of Jose) 36 Ernima Jardim, born March 1892. 37 Adelida Jardim, born November 1893. Generation No. 7 27. Joao Gomes Jardine (Antonio Gomes Jardim, Joao Gomes, Francisco Gomes) was born March 30, 1870 in Funchal, Madeira, and died October 04, 1932 in Oakland, CA. He married Maria Lawrence December 25, 1892 in ?Hilo, HI, daughter of Frank Lawrence and Louisa. She was born January 1, 1876 in Madeira, and died February 7, 1941 in Oakland, CA. Thanks. Karen

Don't worry, Cece, you'll probably link to them, one way or another. If you descend from the "Andrades do Arco", for instance, you'll meet them there by way of João Fernandes mother, Beatriz da Maia. Another way is by way of the Bettencourt Sás, which also descend from them. Constança Rodrigues, however, I believe she can be safely unlinked from that ancestry because of: 1. Severe chronology problems; 2. The Sá surname was never found on her or on any of her descendants (unless it has entered by other marriages, of course). 3. Gaspar Frutuoso calls her Constança Rodrigues de Almeida, with not a single reference to the Sás. 4. Felgueiras Gayo on his nobiliary gives Rodrigo Lopes de SEQUEIROS as her father, which makes sense with her patronimic, following the use of the time. As for descending from virtually everyone living on Porto da Cruz by the late XVI century, I felt that way about Câmara de Lobos when I finished my branch from that village, which compeled me to include on my database all the marriages occured on that village at least until mid XVIII century - which I could do using NESOS, when it was online. Another places where I am cousin to virtually everyone are São Martinho, São Roque, Santo António, Estreito de Câmara de Lobos and Monte. Santo António, being the most populated parish on the Island since very early times, is giving me tons of work, but there are many hidden surprises on these lineages, which include an obscure line to the Baiões, Carvalhos and Lomelinos (suddenly the mother of one of my peasants turns to be a Dona!), links to the famous Bragas, first settlers of Santo António to which Gaspar Frutuoso dedicated almost an entire chapter of his book, links to the Andrades do Arco, the Homens de Gouveia, etc. long lost and forgoten. On Porto da Cruz you should check the genealogy of the GOMES SOARES and the BARRETOS when Nesos is up again, I'm sure you'll find them quite hepful. Paulo On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:25:46 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > Paulo, > > My husband is not going to be happy to hear this...I think! Being half > Italian, he was really enjoying all of the history of the Sciarra-Collona > and the possible link to them. Oh well, such is this thing called > research > that we do! > > I wanted to let you know that I am wearing out the Porto da Cruz > marriages > film. It appears I am related to most everyone there from 1577 (the > beginning of the records) forward. My database is growing by leaps and > bounds in the last couple weeks. > In the end, I think I will end up a Porto da Cruz specialist..LOL. > > I will be doing the early baptisms after I finish the marriages that I > can > connect...which will probably be them ALL in the end it seems. To give > you > an example...out of the first 30 marriages ever in Porto da Cruz, at > least 8 > of them (so far) are DIRECT ancestors and 12 or so others are also > connected > family! As I am working the film forward from 1577...I am constantly > going > back and adding people whom I couldn't connect in the beginning...so > those > last 10 will be connected one way or the other before I know it I'm sure! > > If anyone on the list has traced any relations to the early days in > Porto da > Cruz...please lets share some info! > > Cece > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Actually the one name of my ancestor...that also shows up in Sao Martinho is Jacinto Alfonso (or Afonso if you prefer) And there are only 2 in the marriage database with this name...one being my "dead end" ancestor in Santo Antonio de Serra!!!. Cece -----Original Message----- From: Paulo Gomes Jardim [mailto:darwin@spamcop.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:16 PM To: cece@soccer4all.com; PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Sao Martinho - 1902 marriage film? These Martins de Nobregas are the direct line of his maternal grand mother. I've not told him yet what I found on worldconnect - probably on your database - which will help him greatly as he's starting the genealogy of his mother side now, but I predict that he'll be delighed to know. :) These Nobregas were like rabbits, and in particular on Caniço there are hoards of them. If you are interested on that family there's a genealogy on NESOS. So, if it was not Nobrega that you were looking for on 1902, S. Martinho, could it be...Sarsfield? :) Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:07:44 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > Well, I have quite a lot of Nobregas in Santo Antonio de Serra (the > majority > of them are Martins de Nobregas)...none are direct ancestors. > This was one of our first areas to research and we got a little carried > away > (kinda like I am in Porto da Cruz now!!!) > Tell your cousin to give me a hollar if he/she is interested! > Cece > (my only ancestor Nobrega is an Apolonia Nobrega de Sousa from Canico in > 1673) -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Well, I have quite a lot of Nobregas in Santo Antonio de Serra (the majority of them are Martins de Nobregas)...none are direct ancestors. This was one of our first areas to research and we got a little carried away (kinda like I am in Porto da Cruz now!!!) Tell your cousin to give me a hollar if he/she is interested! Cece (my only ancestor Nobrega is an Apolonia Nobrega de Sousa from Canico in 1673) -----Original Message----- From: Paulo Gomes Jardim [mailto:darwin@spamcop.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:50 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Sao Martinho - 1902 marriage film? Cece, Would you be, perhaps, the person that is researching the Nobregas on Santo da Serra and Machico? If you are, I have a cousin that would probably be very, very interested... :) Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:12:28 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > I know its a longshot...but I was wondering if any of you out there might > currently have this film out for loan... > and might be willing to do a lookup for me. > It is not an area I have any reason to research, except that I found one > of > my " very unusual" ancestor names > there that I would like to check out to see if there is any connection. > I would be more than willing to return the favor for anyone needing > anything > from "my" areas consisting of > Santa Cruz, Santo Antonio de Serra, Porto da Cruz, Canico and Santana! > Cece > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Please forgive me if I sound ignorant...does this mean I would get an actual microfilm from the library? How does one view a microfilm at home? Are the Acores also available this way? If so, would the lookup be Portugal, Acores, Ilha Graciosa, Nossa Senhora da Luz? How about cities on the mainland? I know I am getting ahead of myself but this is getting me wired up!! Thank you for your help. Mary

This started 2 weeks ago or so. Every working day after 20.00 GMT the nesos.net domain becomes unrecognized, at least from here. It is as if they turn down the DNS server for that domain at that time. It occurs precisely at 20.00 GMT, as I've confirmed Wednesday. It is really annoying, as it is the best source of information available on Madeira History and genealogies. Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:39:07 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > > > Well...I guess I should have actually tried it before speaking!!! > Apparantly they have changed the website address I always used... > www.nesos.net is not a working address at all right now. > I even tried going in the backdoor http://www.ceha-madeira.net/ > but when you click on NESOS it doesn't find anything again.... > I'm not quite sure what is going on. > I will check my bookmark when I get home tonight and see if that link > works. > Cece > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

I, too, received this message a few times over the last few days as I tried to access ARM. I thought it was just my Sloooooowww old computer not working well. SOrry to see that was not the case. Mary

You mean that right now NESOS is up to you over there? I swear that every working day at 20 o'clock local time I stop seeing it, and it goes on that way during weekends and hollydays... Argh. Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:57:36 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > Paulo, > The NESOS site used to only allow visitors during certain hours...but > that > seems to have changed from here. I can now access it anytime it seems. > My question, is what are we going to do about ARM...their database is up > 1 > day down the next 3...its driving me crazy!!! > Cece > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paulo Gomes Jardim [mailto:darwin@spamcop.net] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:52 PM > To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] NESOS website down... > > > Hi, > > Is it me, or the NESOS website seem to be working on a "clerk" kind of > timetable? > It goes down precisely at 20.00 GMT everyday, and it's closed on weekends > and hollydays... > Makes one wonder if there's a little man inside that machine that makes > it > work, and everything stops everytime he goes home... > > Paulo > > -- > " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- > Horacio > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

That's my opinion too, renting a car would certainly be the best option, if you're nor afraid of asking directions to people on the road (better practice your Portuguese... ;)). Taxis are expensive and you risk getting a driver that would cheat you, wandering around unnecessarily just to win a few more Euros, besides all the loss of freedom. You can hire it on the Airport, on Rodavante or one of the many other rent-a-cars that have an office there. If you are going to the East I recommend you not to miss the wonderful and picturesque sea-by villages of Jardim do Mar and Paúl do Mar (there's a very nice restaurant and tea house where you can see the sunset on this last one, on the extreme East of the seaside road). Ponta do Pargo is also beautiful, with an old lighthouse and wonderful views. On the inland you have Fanal, Rabaçal, 25 Fontes, which are beautiful spots with "levadas", waterfalls, little ponds where you can swim (though the water is very cold), and lots of trees, bushes and ferns, some of them endemic to Madeira. And there's much, much more to see... :) Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:26:50 -0600, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > David, > Don't know what Paulo will tell you, but Ed & I visited Madeira last > summer > & had a rental car. > We wouldn't have done it any other way. You will miss so much if you are > not > able to get out and around anytime you want. > Plus I can't imagine driving some of those roads with a local...never > mind a > local Taxi driver!!! > Getting around was really easy. The cost of renting a car was very > reasonable. > We only used taxis when we were actually in Funchal...after parking...and > after becoming exhausted! > If you have any other questions about Madeira...feel free to ask. > I'm sure Paulo will be able to tell you about getting around during a > holiday and not to miss festivities. > We wish you a wonderful trip! > Cece -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

I know its a longshot...but I was wondering if any of you out there might currently have this film out for loan... and might be willing to do a lookup for me. It is not an area I have any reason to research, except that I found one of my " very unusual" ancestor names there that I would like to check out to see if there is any connection. I would be more than willing to return the favor for anyone needing anything from "my" areas consisting of Santa Cruz, Santo Antonio de Serra, Porto da Cruz, Canico and Santana! Cece

Mary, The microfilms that you order from LDS have to be viewed at the LDS library. There are local ones all over the world. Where do you live...I'll be happy to look and see if there is one near you. You must have a microfilm reader to view the microfilm...they have these at the local LDS centers...so no, it cannot be done at home. Here is the link to familysearch (the LDS website)...just look around, and don't be afraid to ask questions...we were all in your shoes at one time!! Cece www.familysearch.org -----Original Message----- From: MaryH1017@aol.com [mailto:MaryH1017@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:53 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] ordering copies?? Please forgive me if I sound ignorant...does this mean I would get an actual microfilm from the library? How does one view a microfilm at home? Are the Acores also available this way? If so, would the lookup be Portugal, Acores, Ilha Graciosa, Nossa Senhora da Luz? How about cities on the mainland? I know I am getting ahead of myself but this is getting me wired up!! Thank you for your help. Mary ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi, Is it me, or the NESOS website seem to be working on a "clerk" kind of timetable? It goes down precisely at 20.00 GMT everyday, and it's closed on weekends and hollydays... Makes one wonder if there's a little man inside that machine that makes it work, and everything stops everytime he goes home... Paulo -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Hi David, I would recommend you to hire a car, that would give you much more freedom, and the price will be much, much better. You can ask a budget online and even make a reservation, if you are interested, on http://www.rodavante.com (BTW, I made the software and database work for that website on my former job, but that's another story...Anyway, it has a nice English version, and I believe it is working well). Taxis are somewhat expensive around here, as you will see. I do not understand what waterfalls you want to see on Paúl da Serra, as it is a very dry and windy place, with very few trees and some ferns and grass here and there. Perhaps you mean Rabaçal and 25 Fontes, which are nearby, and indeed have nice waterfalls. About 25 April, I really don't know, it's always a surprise. You see, we have a very conservative regime here in Madeira, and the regional government don't feel very confortable with partying over a Communist propeled revolution. On some past years there weren't any celebrations at all, and in any case, most probably, there wouldn't be any parades or other sensational celebrations. The great party comes on 1 May, which is now known as workers day, but is a Maderian hollyday since the times of the plague, when the city was supposedly saved by S. Tiago Menor, fested on 1 May. Everyone makes and wear flower collars, mostly with a little yellow daisy flower that we call "Maios", and usually everyone goes to the countryside to picnic. On ancient days the Blandy family used to open the doors of his mannor and gardens, and many people would go there to pass the day, singing, chatting and dancing until the fall of the night. It's a pity that you'll not be here by then. :( What else do you wanted to ask me? :) Paulo On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:49:27 -0600, <david-nancy.degrella@juno.com> wrote: > Paulo, > > I have taken the liberty to write you directly as I have some questions > that you may be able to help answer. We are coming to Madeira April 23 > for just four days. We are planning ahead to get the most out of our > short stay. We have booked a full day tour on April 24 for the eastern > end of the island. We plan to explore the western end on our own. We > want to go to Arco da Calheta (the home of my great grandfather). We > also want to go to Paul da Serra to hike to some waterfalls. > We understand that it would be difficult to do this by bus. Can we do > this by taxi or would it be better to hire a car? > Will the celebration of April 25 interfere with getting around? > Is there any parade or other festivity on April 25 that you would > recommend we see? > I have more question but I do not want over burden you. > > I appreciate your help. > > Obrigado, > > David > Tennessee, USA > Searching for Agrela, Silva, Nobrega -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Thank You Bob! Pat bpitta@comcast.net wrote: Ditto here. -------------- Original message -------------- > For the past couple of days when I try to access the marriage record base of ARM > I get this message... has anyone else experienced this? > Pat > > Microsoft JET Database Engine error '80004005' Cannot open database ''. It may > not be a database that your application recognizes, or the file may be corrupt. > > /bds/ASP/Ccasamentossrch.asp, line 92 > > > > Patricia Julia Silva Corbera > A Journey of Discovery > www.geocities.com/papagaia2 > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx Patricia Julia Silva Corbera A Journey of Discovery www.geocities.com/papagaia2