Freitas is a very common name not just in Madeira but also in the continent, and I am sure the Azores also. I am portuguese born and raised but I live in the US and I have to say that I have heard many portuguese names pronounced in such a way that I did not recognize them as portuguese. I have to see them written down to know. I am sure you can pronounce your name the portuguese way but I have to share what I have seen so far happen in this country. For example my oldest son is named Miguel and he has been called Maguel, Meigue'l, Migu'e'l, Magu'e'l. And this is also a spanish name so one would think it would be pronounced correctly. My favorite name screw up is a street in California called Coelho St. It is pronounced Co^e'ho^ with the hard english H sound, it sounds very interesting. Although the "lh" sound is a very hard sound for an american to pronounce (like the "th" sound is for a portuguese) the way the word is pronounced here is even harder than the original form.! I remember the guy who told us about this street name was getting frustrated because we did not recognize it and he kept repeating it and saying that it was a portuguese name. Well he was right but I could not tell until I saw it written down. And then, of course, there are the portuguese names that have been completely americanized and impossible to recognize as portuguese. This is the case of my uncle who moved from Madeira to the US, his last name was Rodrigues da Ressurreicao but his children go by Rogers. I always get a kick out of that one. Luis Beal Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Paulo, We are in winter here but the temperature is warm for what it should be. Today we have about 50 degrees. It's still cold but much warmer than it should be. I remember when I was on Madeira we went for a drive around the island and then we came to this one area very high up and I was surprised to see snow up there! We went in June/July 1988 and the weather was so pleasant there. I have met Portuguese people here in the US that have never heard of the name Freitas...I guess that's because they are all living in Madeira!! lol As for the Freitas of S. Martinho, this is what I know...Back to the early 1800s the paternal line carried Gonclaves de Freitas, though men and women in the family did marry those that carried just Freitas. These are the people I will be looking for in the Mormon library so that I can go backwards on their lines. Anyway, my grandfather was José Gonçalves de Freitas, his parents were Feliciano Gonçalves de Freitas and Maria da Conceição. Maria was baptised as Maria Isabel and later changed it at confirmation. Feliciano was the son of Francisco Gonçalves de Freitas and Maria Augusta de Freitas (Maria Augusta was daughter of João de Freitas and Isabel Augusta de Jesus de Freitas - João was the son of Joaquim de Freitas and Maria Joaquina...Isabel Augusta was daughter of Manuel Rodrigues and Antónia Perpétua da Incarnação). These families were all from Pico do Funcho. Now back to Maria da Conceição, Maria's parents were Manuel Pereira de Oliveira and Maria Carolina Lopes Serrão. Manuel at one time had a partnership in two newspapers, O Independente and A Luz, and the family was fairly well off. He later lost his ownership in these papers after making a bet with his partner and losing. Anyway, Maria was about 10 years older than Feliciano and Manuel did not want them to marry, also because her social stature was better than Feliciano's. They married anyway in 1907 and started to have children the following year. At some point Feliciano started going back and forth to the US, he was a carpenter and would come here and build houses etc. Then a decision was made that he was going to stay in the US and call for her and the kids to come as he earned more money. He permanently left Madeira before his youngest son was born and never went back. There were 8 kids, 2 died as infants, Maria was left there to take care of them all by herself. Her oldest son Americo left with his father when he was about 14, after that each of her sons came here when they were about 17 or 18 and her 1 daughter stayed with her. Feliciano called for her to come here once but Maria was too ill to make the trip. He never called for her again and they never saw each other again. Feliciano was a rather wild person, he liked to drink alcohol and get into fights. He eventually married another woman here and had 2 children with her that Maria never knew of. My grandfather José never had a relationship with his father because he lived in Madeira and when José came here and saw how his father was he despised it. He would have nothing to do with him. Had Maria listened to her father she may have married someone better for her, but then I wouldn't be here now. My grandfather was always told that his mothers family was part English and that was how they came to have the blue eyes. In my research so far, and some of it with your help, have found no connection to anyone that was born in England. So I do not know yet if there is any tie to the established Freitas family of S. Martinho that you mentioned, but I'm sure it is possible. There are other connections to Freitas that I did not mention above. Maybe we will find another link when I figure out more of these Freitas relatives. Denise In a message dated 1/16/2006 6:10:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, darwin@spamcop.net writes: Hi Denise, It's cold here, right now, maybe 10 or 9 Celsius here where I live, which is awful cold for Madeira, but we can always warm up when we see the temperatures at the maniland. :) About the Freitas: Though there are millions of Freitas in Madeira (God knows why, and there's a similar case with the Gouveias) there is a well structured Freitas family living in S. Martinho which is also subject of my research. It's the line of Maria Augusta, which in 1852 married Francisco Alves, fisherman in Câmara de Lobos, parents of the misterious José Alves "seaman" (postumous father of my great grand father) which married Silvina Constança Henriques, the well educated girl from the wealthy Gomes Henriques family, known at the time as the "meninos de Belém", the silverspoon children of Belém, a place in Câmara de Lobos. God would know how that marriage came to be. I've a picture of that lady, dressed in Belle Epoque black clothes, plumes hat, long black gloves and all, with quite a noble pose, and it is difficult to imagine that she was the widow of a seaman or fisherman - let alone one from Câmara de Lobos! Certainly a serious case of love. ;) Anyway, the Freitas. Maria Augusta, daughter of Silvéria Rosa (Tº Gonçalves Rocha) and Victorino de Freitas, son of Vicência da Rosa (Tº Mouras do Porto da Cruz) and José de Freitas, son of Maria Gomes and António de Freitas, son of Mª da Candelária and Pedro de Freitas, son of Martim de Freitas, who married Helena da Costa in S. Martinho, 1672 (I've yet to check this marriage). Possibly the same Freitas family of your branch...? Paulo On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:54:53 -0000, wrote: > HI Paulo, how have you been? Thank you for your help. I will request > the > record based on your information below. > I understand about the other couple having common names. I am also > researching de Freitas, and as you know on Madeira that is like looking > for a needle > in a haystack! There are so many Freitas with same given names it > really > makes you work hard! Thereward is always worth it! > > Denise > In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:36:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > darwin@spamcop.net writes: > > Here is the marriage record you should request: > > Francisco Gonçalves + Tomásia Joaquina > 1827 > São Martinho > book 253 > page 186 v.º > > The parents of Julia, however, have very common names, and return a list > of various possible couples on that year range. > > Hope this helps, > > Paulo > > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:49:41 -0000, wrote: > >> Hi again, >> Looking for info on Francisco Goncalves de Freitas of Pico do Fucho, >> Sao >> Martinho, Funchal. He was married to Thomasia Joaquina also of Pico do >> Funcho. >> Their son was Manuel Goncalves de Freitas that was married to Julia >> Candida >> da Silva about 1856. Julia's parents were Manuel da Silva and Maria >> Joaquina. >> Any help is appreciated. >> Denise de Freitas d'Antona ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. 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Dear Paulo: How fabulous of you to do this! The problem I have is that I do not know for sure the full name of Grand Uncle Jose. I can tell you family names and any specifics I know, and hope that will help. My father's paternal grandparents were Pedro Jose da Silva of Funchal (Se) and Maria Barbora of Santa Luzia, married 1875 in Santa Luzia. Pedro was the son of single mother Joaquina Rosa from Monte and Manuel Jose da Silva from Graciosa, Acores. I do not know of Pedro having any siblings, though I do not know for sure. Maria Barbora was the daughter of Damiao Ribeiro and Maria Vieira from Santa Luzia. I do not know yet of any siblings she may have had. Damiao's family came from Setubal, Maria's family was from Vieira da Costa family in Santa Luzia. Her lineage includes Soares, Gomes Figueira, Teixeira and Rodrigues, among others. Though I am not ruling them out,the greater likelihood is that Tio Jose came from my maternal grandmother's family. My father's maternal grandparents were Francisco Joaquim da Costa Ferreira (from Porto) and Teodolinda Augusta de Freitas (from Machico). I have no information on Francisco's family but Teodolinda had many siblings: Joao 1832, Maria 1835, Maria 1837, Vicente 1844, Jose 1847 and then Teodolinda 1851. My grandparents were married in 1907 and one of the witnesses to their marriage was a Jose Joaquim de Fretias. In 1908 my Uncle Eugenio was baptized and his padrinho was "Bacharel" Jose Joaquim de Freitas and his madrinho was listed as Maria Amelia da Trindade de Freitas, Jose's sibling. There were only two people in my father's family that I knew in fact to be medical doctors: My grandfather, Alvaro Tertuliano da Silva and his brother in law Antonio Aurelio da Costa Ferreira. My grandather emigrated to US in 1920s and Antonio lived in Belem on mainland. BTW: there are some other pictures in this pile my brother has. One is of the Rua da Carreira and is titled "place we lived before moving to US" and another is "Cousin Damiao". Both pictures were taken in the early 1930s. We know that cousin Damiao was a Pestana because my Uncle Eugenio also had a picture of the same person and it was labeled Damiao Pestana. G-grandfather Pedro had a good friend Francisco Gomes Pestana who was a witness to his marriage and who lived near him on Rua de Conceicao. I have probably confused you thoroughly but I appreciate any help you can provide. Thank you Mary da Silva Frost

Hi Mary, You are right, it's the "Hospital dos Marmeleiros", which still exists with that name and was the very place where I was born, altough it's now much better than the place it used to be back then. As I'm now working as a technician in computer support on our regional health services, I often go there (at least once a week) and I know the place upside down, even the secrete passages....;) Unfortunately the Hospital records prior to 1975 where mixed up by the dumb people in charge of moving them to the new hospital, which oppened in 1972, to the point that they where rendered unusable and thus destroyed. I don't know, however, what happened to the administrative records, but I will ask who knows and tell you. The building itself is more than a century old, and started as a German Sanatorium project which was left incomplete due to political reasons (English pressure). Elucidario Madeirense has an article about it, from the time which your uncle was a director, according to what you say, but they don't mention any names there, unfortunately. However, if you provide me his complete name, I can check for an entry with that name on "Registo Bio-Bibliografico de Madeirenses" Friday. About the other families you mention, I can probably help you with the Soares from Câmara de Lobos (or rather Estreito, which I believe that's where they came from). Paulo On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:11:39 -0000, tiamaria <tiamaria@frostdesign.com> wrote: > Hello everyone: > > My brother holds a picture taken by our now deceased father about 1932 in > Madeira. The label says "grand uncle Jose and grand aunt Florinda". An > accompanying photo is labeled "Os Marmelos- hospital and sanitarium where > Jose was director." > > I believe that the hospital was Os Marmelieros. A while back I wrote a > letter to the hospital requesting any information that they might be > able to > give me regarding Tio Jose. I wrote in Portuguese with apologies for my > lack > of skill with the language. I have never received an answer. > > Does anyone have any ideas of how to get any information about these > people? > I did not even see these pictures until after my father's death. He and > his > siblings left Madeira in 1921 when they were boys. All of my uncles are > also > deceased, as is the only cousin I met while in Lisboa a few years back. > As > there was still family there in 1930s, I am hoping to find some family > connection still on the island. > > Does anyone have any ideas? Family names from Madeira are da Silva from > Funchal, da Costa Vieira from Santa Luzia, Soares from Camara de Lobos, > de > Freitas from Machico. I have been very lucky with my research backwards > from > late 1800s but not so going forward into the 1900s. > > Thank you very much, > Mary da Silva Frost > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Hi Bob, Yes, I do, but it's only an hobby (though quite an addictive one, indeed...:)). Paulo On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:07:11 -0000, <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Paulo or any one > do you do research in Madeira area? If so please let me know > Thanks > > Bob Camacho > searching the islands of > Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, > Graciousa for Reis, and > Madeira for Camacho > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Paulo, thanks so much for your reply. If you are able to learn more about this place and its history from your colleagues, I would apreciate knowing what you learn. Thank you again. Best regards, D. Rodrigues ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paulo Gomes Jardim" <darwin@spamcop.net> To: <PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Pinheiro near Arco da Calheta > Dear D. Rodrigues, > > Here is the information about that place I could find in Dicionário > Corográfico do Arquipélago da Madeira by Fernando Augusto da Silva, 1934 > edition: > > "Pinheiro: Sitio povoado da freg. do Arco da Calheta. 37f e 176h." > > It means that, by 1934 (or a little earlier), there were there 37 houses > with 176 inhabitants. > > I don't know where it is, as I don't know Arco da Calheta very well, > though I can ask some of my co-workers who are from there. > I presume the origin of the name was some notorious pinetree that worked > as a mark for that place, as happened in many other places with the same > name, here in Madeira. > > Paulo > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:39:50 -0000, Donald Rodrigues > <DRodrigues@Pacbell.net> wrote: > >> I am looking for information about a place named Pinheiro which is >> situated near Arco da Calheta, Madeira. Baptism documents for various >> relatives baptized in the Church of Sao Braz, Arco da Calheta, show that >> they were residents of Pinheiro which I'm guessing is within walking >> distance of the church. Where is Pinheiro in relation to Arco da >> Calheta? Can anyone tell me about this place and its history? >> >> D. Rodrigues >> >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> > > > > -- > " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- > Horacio > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Denise, It's cold here, right now, maybe 10 or 9 Celsius here where I live, which is awful cold for Madeira, but we can always warm up when we see the temperatures at the maniland. :) About the Freitas: Though there are millions of Freitas in Madeira (God knows why, and there's a similar case with the Gouveias) there is a well structured Freitas family living in S. Martinho which is also subject of my research. It's the line of Maria Augusta, which in 1852 married Francisco Alves, fisherman in Câmara de Lobos, parents of the misterious José Alves "seaman" (postumous father of my great grand father) which married Silvina Constança Henriques, the well educated girl from the wealthy Gomes Henriques family, known at the time as the "meninos de Belém", the silverspoon children of Belém, a place in Câmara de Lobos. God would know how that marriage came to be. I've a picture of that lady, dressed in Belle Epoque black clothes, plumes hat, long black gloves and all, with quite a noble pose, and it is difficult to imagine that she was the widow of a seaman or fisherman - let alone one from Câmara de Lobos! Certainly a serious case of love. ;) Anyway, the Freitas. Maria Augusta, daughter of Silvéria Rosa (Tº Gonçalves Rocha) and Victorino de Freitas, son of Vicência da Rosa (Tº Mouras do Porto da Cruz) and José de Freitas, son of Maria Gomes and António de Freitas, son of Mª da Candelária and Pedro de Freitas, son of Martim de Freitas, who married Helena da Costa in S. Martinho, 1672 (I've yet to check this marriage). Possibly the same Freitas family of your branch...? Paulo On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:54:53 -0000, <Denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > HI Paulo, how have you been? Thank you for your help. I will request > the > record based on your information below. > I understand about the other couple having common names. I am also > researching de Freitas, and as you know on Madeira that is like looking > for a needle > in a haystack! There are so many Freitas with same given names it > really > makes you work hard! Thereward is always worth it! > > Denise > In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:36:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > darwin@spamcop.net writes: > > Here is the marriage record you should request: > > Francisco Gonçalves + Tomásia Joaquina > 1827 > São Martinho > book 253 > page 186 v.º > > The parents of Julia, however, have very common names, and return a list > of various possible couples on that year range. > > Hope this helps, > > Paulo > > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:49:41 -0000, <Denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> Hi again, >> Looking for info on Francisco Goncalves de Freitas of Pico do Fucho, >> Sao >> Martinho, Funchal. He was married to Thomasia Joaquina also of Pico do >> Funcho. >> Their son was Manuel Goncalves de Freitas that was married to Julia >> Candida >> da Silva about 1856. Julia's parents were Manuel da Silva and Maria >> Joaquina. >> Any help is appreciated. >> Denise de Freitas d'Antona >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Hi Pat, I'll try to check that entry tomorrow, as I happen to have 1063 among the microfilms I'm viewing. Currently I have no information on that surname, which is probably a nickname. However, I can tell you that the record itself is on the marriage book of Sé, and this is only a copy, as the groom was detained in Funchal's prision, the "Aljube", at the time he married. Therefore, the information on Estº da Calheta book may be somewhat incomplete. The opposite could also be true, of course. Paulo On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:55:13 -0000, Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Paulo, > I would be interested in your input about the following surname of da > Silva Job. Pat > António da Silva Job Antónia Caetana 1063 73 Estreito > da Calheta 1756 > > Paulo Gomes Jardim <darwin@spamcop.net> wrote: > Thanks Pat! > > Luís de Melo lately is mostly absent, since the archives moved to the new > place. > There have been weeks since I saw him the last time. > By the way, Pat, I've started building my Calheta lines, if you need, I > can look something there for you, especially on the earlier books, if it > happend to be on a book I'm looking into. > > Places I'll be looking at are: > > Estreito da Calheta > Fajã da Ovelha > Ponta do Pargo > Calheta > > Happy New year, > > Paulo > > On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:14:00 +0100, Patricia Corbera > > wrote: > >> Hi Paulo, >> Welcome Back! We sure missed you! Next time you see Sr. Melo, will you >> please tell him that I would like to hear from him. >> Thank You! >> Pat Silva Corbera > > > > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Hi Bob, I refered to the Parish Book containing the marriage records, which is available as a microfilm on Arquivo Regional da Madeira. Maybe you can write them and ask about that record, they are usually very helpful to people from abroad building their genealogies. The record will probably have the bride and groom age, residence and job, the parents of both and, with some luck, their grand parents. Late records (19th century) as that one are usually filled with quite usefull information, as opposed to earlier ones where if you can see the bride and groom parents, you are already a lucky one. :) Paulo On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:19:01 -0000, <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Paulo > Thank you for the information. You refer to a book and page with > regards to > the Camacho name. Where would I find this information and book? > Thanks > > Bob Camacho > searching the islands of > Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, > Graciousa for Reis, and > Madeira for Camacho -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

No problemo, cousin Denise. :) I'll tell you if I happen to find more about these lines. You can complete it with the Rodrigues de Gouveia genealogy, BTW. Paulo On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:35:52 -0000, <Denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > Paulo, > I just wanted to thank you for all the information below. I'm glad to > see > we connect on yet another line. I really appreciate you looking into > this for > me. > Denise > In a message dated 1/10/2006 12:44:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > darwin@spamcop.net writes: -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Dear D. Rodrigues, Here is the information about that place I could find in Dicionário Corográfico do Arquipélago da Madeira by Fernando Augusto da Silva, 1934 edition: "Pinheiro: Sitio povoado da freg. do Arco da Calheta. 37f e 176h." It means that, by 1934 (or a little earlier), there were there 37 houses with 176 inhabitants. I don't know where it is, as I don't know Arco da Calheta very well, though I can ask some of my co-workers who are from there. I presume the origin of the name was some notorious pinetree that worked as a mark for that place, as happened in many other places with the same name, here in Madeira. Paulo On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:39:50 -0000, Donald Rodrigues <DRodrigues@Pacbell.net> wrote: > I am looking for information about a place named Pinheiro which is > situated near Arco da Calheta, Madeira. Baptism documents for various > relatives baptized in the Church of Sao Braz, Arco da Calheta, show that > they were residents of Pinheiro which I'm guessing is within walking > distance of the church. Where is Pinheiro in relation to Arco da > Calheta? Can anyone tell me about this place and its history? > > D. Rodrigues > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Hello everyone: My brother holds a picture taken by our now deceased father about 1932 in Madeira. The label says "grand uncle Jose and grand aunt Florinda". An accompanying photo is labeled "Os Marmelos- hospital and sanitarium where Jose was director." I believe that the hospital was Os Marmelieros. A while back I wrote a letter to the hospital requesting any information that they might be able to give me regarding Tio Jose. I wrote in Portuguese with apologies for my lack of skill with the language. I have never received an answer. Does anyone have any ideas of how to get any information about these people? I did not even see these pictures until after my father's death. He and his siblings left Madeira in 1921 when they were boys. All of my uncles are also deceased, as is the only cousin I met while in Lisboa a few years back. As there was still family there in 1930s, I am hoping to find some family connection still on the island. Does anyone have any ideas? Family names from Madeira are da Silva from Funchal, da Costa Vieira from Santa Luzia, Soares from Camara de Lobos, de Freitas from Machico. I have been very lucky with my research backwards from late 1800s but not so going forward into the 1900s. Thank you very much, Mary da Silva Frost

Hi Paulo or any one do you do research in Madeira area? If so please let me know Thanks Bob Camacho searching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho

Janette, How exactly do you make payment to the archives? In the past this has been my problem... first just understanding how much to pay, and secondly figuring out just how to make the payment. I am so glad to hear the archives are responding to e-mail requests! Thanks for sharing this information, Cece -----Original Message----- From: Janette Chun [mailto:janettechun@shaw.ca] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:32 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Roll Call Hi Bob, Just wanted to share my experience in dealing with with the Arquivo Regional da Madeira, which has been nothing short of exceptional. I don't write Portuguese very well (although I am able to read it), all my communication with them has been in English via email, and sometimes I have only very scant information to work with. They have been phenomenal!!! Very quick replies to email and I usually receive the certificates within days of payment. They have been fantastic to work with. Sometimes, they've even include an additional certificate (unsolicited) or two that they've come across of members of the same family. You'll be surprised by the amount of information the certificates provide. Invest in large magnifying glass. It definitely helps. Good luck with your search! Janette Chun (Vancouver, Canada) Research Mendonca and Gois -----Original Message----- From: Paulo Gomes Jardim [mailto:darwin@spamcop.net] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:10 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Roll Call Hi Bob, I refered to the Parish Book containing the marriage records, which is available as a microfilm on Arquivo Regional da Madeira. Maybe you can write them and ask about that record, they are usually very helpful to people from abroad building their genealogies. The record will probably have the bride and groom age, residence and job, the parents of both and, with some luck, their grand parents. Late records (19th century) as that one are usually filled with quite usefull information, as opposed to earlier ones where if you can see the bride and groom parents, you are already a lucky one. :) Paulo On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:19:01 -0000, <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Paulo > Thank you for the information. You refer to a book and page with > regards to > the Camacho name. Where would I find this information and book? > Thanks > > Bob Camacho > searching the islands of > Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, > Graciousa for Reis, and > Madeira for Camacho -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi Paulo, No rush! As of now, not one of my known ancestors. The "Job" caught my eye when I was viewing entries on ARM... Pat Paulo Gomes Jardim <darwin@spamcop.net> wrote: Hi Pat, I'll try to check that entry tomorrow, as I happen to have 1063 among the microfilms I'm viewing. Currently I have no information on that surname, which is probably a nickname. However, I can tell you that the record itself is on the marriage book of Sé, and this is only a copy, as the groom was detained in Funchal's prision, the "Aljube", at the time he married. Therefore, the information on Estº da Calheta book may be somewhat incomplete. The opposite could also be true, of course. Paulo On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:55:13 -0000, Patricia Corbera wrote: > Paulo, > I would be interested in your input about the following surname of da > Silva Job. Pat > António da Silva Job Antónia Caetana 1063 73 Estreito > da Calheta 1756 > > Paulo Gomes Jardim wrote: > Thanks Pat! > > Luís de Melo lately is mostly absent, since the archives moved to the new > place. > There have been weeks since I saw him the last time. > By the way, Pat, I've started building my Calheta lines, if you need, I > can look something there for you, especially on the earlier books, if it > happend to be on a book I'm looking into. > > Places I'll be looking at are: > > Estreito da Calheta > Fajã da Ovelha > Ponta do Pargo > Calheta > > Happy New year, > > Paulo > > On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:14:00 +0100, Patricia Corbera > > wrote: > >> Hi Paulo, >> Welcome Back! We sure missed you! Next time you see Sr. Melo, will you >> please tell him that I would like to hear from him. >> Thank You! >> Pat Silva Corbera > > > > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Bob, Just wanted to share my experience in dealing with with the Arquivo Regional da Madeira, which has been nothing short of exceptional. I don't write Portuguese very well (although I am able to read it), all my communication with them has been in English via email, and sometimes I have only very scant information to work with. They have been phenomenal!!! Very quick replies to email and I usually receive the certificates within days of payment. They have been fantastic to work with. Sometimes, they've even include an additional certificate (unsolicited) or two that they've come across of members of the same family. You'll be surprised by the amount of information the certificates provide. Invest in large magnifying glass. It definitely helps. Good luck with your search! Janette Chun (Vancouver, Canada) Research Mendonca and Gois -----Original Message----- From: Paulo Gomes Jardim [mailto:darwin@spamcop.net] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:10 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Roll Call Hi Bob, I refered to the Parish Book containing the marriage records, which is available as a microfilm on Arquivo Regional da Madeira. Maybe you can write them and ask about that record, they are usually very helpful to people from abroad building their genealogies. The record will probably have the bride and groom age, residence and job, the parents of both and, with some luck, their grand parents. Late records (19th century) as that one are usually filled with quite usefull information, as opposed to earlier ones where if you can see the bride and groom parents, you are already a lucky one. :) Paulo On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:19:01 -0000, <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Paulo > Thank you for the information. You refer to a book and page with > regards to > the Camacho name. Where would I find this information and book? > Thanks > > Bob Camacho > searching the islands of > Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, > Graciousa for Reis, and > Madeira for Camacho -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Donald, I am not sure if you speak Portuguese, but the Conselho da Calheta has a website www.cm-calheta-madeira.com The English version seems to be under construction. Sitio do Pinheiro is often featured in their newsletter. I think this year they opened a Social Centre there. Anyway, good luck. José Fernandes -----Original Message----- From: Donald Rodrigues [mailto:DRodrigues@Pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:40 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Pinheiro near Arco da Calheta I am looking for information about a place named Pinheiro which is situated near Arco da Calheta, Madeira. Baptism documents for various relatives baptized in the Church of Sao Braz, Arco da Calheta, show that they were residents of Pinheiro which I'm guessing is within walking distance of the church. Where is Pinheiro in relation to Arco da Calheta? Can anyone tell me about this place and its history? D. Rodrigues ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

I am looking for information about a place named Pinheiro which is situated near Arco da Calheta, Madeira. Baptism documents for various relatives baptized in the Church of Sao Braz, Arco da Calheta, show that they were residents of Pinheiro which I'm guessing is within walking distance of the church. Where is Pinheiro in relation to Arco da Calheta? Can anyone tell me about this place and its history? D. Rodrigues

Paulo, I just wanted to thank you for all the information below. I'm glad to see we connect on yet another line. I really appreciate you looking into this for me. Denise In a message dated 1/10/2006 12:44:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, darwin@spamcop.net writes: Denise, As promised on an earlier post, here goes what I found about Estanislau Fernandes Neves: 1. Ana Joaquina m. in 1803, Stº António, Estanislau Friz Neves, son of 2. Antª de Jesus and Manuel Friz Neves, m.in 1773, Stº Antº, son of 3. Maria do Socorro and Antº Filipe, m. in 1749 Stº Antº, son of Francisca Roiz (from the Roiz de Gouveia, by her mother) and Fcº Friz Neves, also called fcº Friz "Namorado" ("Boyfriend/Lover" - possible mispelling on the copy, his mother Isabel de Cairos also appears as "Isabel Quaresma", which is a blatant mispelling) m. 1725 in St. Antº, son of 4. Isabel de Cairos and Fcº Friz Neves, m. 1695 in Stº Antº (these are my ancestors), son of 5. Maria Fernandes and Manuel Dias, m. 1657 Stº Antº (from here comes the "Fernandes" in Fernandes das Neves), son of 6. Diogo Dias and Maria das Neves (from here comes the "Neves") I couldn't go further, as I couldn't find this last marriage on the database. Ana Joaquina, wife of Estanislau, was daughter of José Gomes Romão (spelled Romano on earlier records), married to Ana Maria in Sé Catedral, 1760. There is another connection with the "Romanos": Maria do Socorro (see above), daughter of José Gomes, from Ponta Delgada (North of Madeira) and Antª de Andrade, daughter of Manuel Fernandes Romão and Isabel da Rosa, m. 1687 S. Martinho, Funchal. If you check these records take care, as the naturalities are more than confused. I now have fopr certain that it is José Gomes, and not Antª de Andrade, the one who is from Ponta Delgada. Estanislau had a brother, Raimundo Friz Neves, m. Maria Joaquina Gomes Jardim (from a Gomes Jardim branch who migrated to Sº António in mid XVIII century, from Estrº da Calheta, I call them the "Gonçalves Jardim") in 1823, Stº Antº. Hope this helps, tell me if you need some clarification or more detail. Happy new year, Paulo On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:01:07 -0000, <Denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > Hello all and Nappy New Year, > I am looking for information about my ancestors Estanislaus Fernandes > Neves > and his wife Ana Joaquina. They were from the Santo Antonio parish of > Funchal, in an area known as Quinta do Leme. The were married about > 1803 in Santo > Antonio, so my guess on their birth years is about 1780 or so. I am > looking > for their parents names at this point and anything else about them. One > child I know of is Maria Gregoria de Jesus born about 1820 in Terra > Cha, Santo > Antonio, Funchal. She was married to Manoel Joaquim Lopes Serrao who > was from > Sao Martinho, Funchal. > The name Estanislaus is not too common so I am hoping someone may have > come > across it. > Any help would be appreciated. > Denise de Freitas d'Antona

Paulo, I would be interested in your input about the following surname of da Silva Job. Pat António da Silva Job Antónia Caetana 1063 73 Estreito da Calheta 1756 Paulo Gomes Jardim <darwin@spamcop.net> wrote: Thanks Pat! Luís de Melo lately is mostly absent, since the archives moved to the new place. There have been weeks since I saw him the last time. By the way, Pat, I've started building my Calheta lines, if you need, I can look something there for you, especially on the earlier books, if it happend to be on a book I'm looking into. Places I'll be looking at are: Estreito da Calheta Fajã da Ovelha Ponta do Pargo Calheta Happy New year, Paulo On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:14:00 +0100, Patricia Corbera wrote: > Hi Paulo, > Welcome Back! We sure missed you! Next time you see Sr. Melo, will you > please tell him that I would like to hear from him. > Thank You! > Pat Silva Corbera -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Paulo Thank you for the information. You refer to a book and page with regards to the Camacho name. Where would I find this information and book? Thanks Bob Camacho searching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho