Interesting that Donna's ancestor and mine (Julia Augusta de Freitas) share the same name. My ancestor's father was the son of "paes incognitos," his children used the surname of de Freitas (surname of his spouse) as well as Camara, the name given to him as a ward of the concelho. Donna, and her cousin Leilani are both related to my cousin Antonio Silva, who is now deceased. To date I have not found a common direct line ancestor linking Donna's and Leilani's familiy with mine. Pat Scot Austin <scotaustin@comcast.net> wrote: Patricia Corbera wrote: > Scot, > Was Julia Donna's maternal or paternal great-grandmother? > Pat Silva Corbera > Julia's son Antonio was her mother's father. Her fathers family was from Calheta. I see no Freitas in the first 5 generations. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Margaret, My fathers aunt, Clarisse Goncalves de Freitas, married a Luis de Nobrega from Camacha. Sound familiar? Denise In a message dated 1/25/2006 2:48:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marpg2000@comcast.net writes: Interesting the number of Freitas and Goveia families in Maderia. My mother in law was related to them and to trace them in Camacha or Sito do Salgados is very confussing due to the repetition of the names. She is from the deNobrega family in Camacha. Margaret

Hello, This question may have been previously posted, if so, my apologies for the repetition. Is the 'Junior' and 'Senior' designation noted after some of the entries in the Arquivo Regional da Madeira's database used in the traditional sense of father/son? Some of the dates posted don't seem to correlate with this theory. Another question - after some entries there's an asterisk next to the name. What does this mean? I don't see a key to indicate this. Thanks, Janette Vancouver, Canada Researching Mendonca & Gois

Does anyone know what's involved to obtain copies of the documentation presented in Madeira by emigrants who applied to travel to Hawaii? I've seen such documentation obtained from Madeira but don't know its source or how it was acquired. Are such data managed by the Madeira archives? I have a specific person identified on a specific vessel's passenger list (1884 arrival in Honolulu) but don't know how and where to present a request for documents. Please reply if you have information or interest. Donald Rodrigues

Dear Everyone, Just needed to tell you all of my latest sucess story. Most of you know our list originator and administrator is Luis Beal. I am sure she has helped most of us at one time or another in our research...either with advice or translation. Well...I have just found out that she & I (and Ed too of course!!) are 8th cousins. I won't bore you with the long version that I gave her that explained how I came upon it.:-) I was so surprised to hear Luis tell me that we are the first relation she has found on the list! How can that be? I am already related to a bunch of ya'll!! I think we all need to do a better job of finding each other! So in that vein, here is a link to my tree on Ancestry http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3178194&id=I5159 and here is one to Luis tree on Ancestry http://awtc.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=luisbeal&id=I309 Both links go to our common ancestor Amaro Affonso...but you can see the entire tree there also. Maybe we can find her some more cousins lurking around!! Thank you Luis for all you've done to inspire us over the last few years. Your cousins, Cece & Ed

Interesting the number of Freitas and Goveia families in Maderia. My mother in law was related to them and to trace them in Camacha or Sito do Salgados is very confussing due to the repetition of the names. She is from the deNobrega family in Camacha. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Corbera" <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> To: <PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Freitas > Scot, > Was Julia Donna's maternal or paternal great-grandmother? > Pat Silva Corbera > > Scot Austin <scotaustin@comcast.net> wrote: > My wife, Donna Gomes' Great-grandmother was Julia Augusta de Freitas > born 21 Aug. 1846 in Ajuda and baptised 6 Sep 1846 at Sao Martinho. I > have the following ancestry for her, found for her by Mr. Luis da Sousa > Melo before he retired. Can anyone add to or connect to this line. > > Scot Austin > > 1. Julia de Jesus de Freitas was born on 21 Aug 1846 in Ajuda, Funchal, > Madeira, PT. She was christened on 6 Sep 1846 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, > Madeira, PT. > Sao Martinho parish Bapt Book #250 fl. 186, Sao Martinho parish Marriage > Book #1876 fls. 10. Godparents Manuel da Costa and Agueda de Jesus. > In her son's Baptism record, she is called Julia Agusta de Freitas. > Julia married Francisco Gomes "Barba loira" son of João Gomes "Broega" > and Joaquina de Jesus Maria Rodrigues on 18 May 1876 in Sao Martinho > Funchal, Madeira. Francisco was born on 20 Nov 1853 in Ginjas, São > Vicente, Madeira, PT. He was christened on 28 Dec 1853 in São Vicente, > Madeira, PT. > * > Second Generation * > > 2. João de Freitas was born on 27 May 1823 in Ajuda, , Madeira, PT. He > was christened on 8 Jun 1823 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. He > married Joaquina de Gouveia on 10 Aug 1844 in São Martinho, Funchal, > Madeira, PT. > Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #249 fl. 269. Godparents, Mateus > Rodrigues, maternal uncle and Maria Gomes. > > 3. Joaquina de Freitas was born on 3 Sep 1815 in Ajuda, Funchal, > Madeira, PT. She was christened on 6 Sep 1815 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, > Madeira, PT. > Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #249 fl. 140. Godparents, Jose > Pinto maternal uncle and Maria Joaquina. > * > Third Generation * > > 4. Manuel de Freitas .Manuel married Antonia Joaquina Rodrigues on 2 Sep > 1802 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. > Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, > witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. > > 5. Antonia Joaquina Rodrigues . > Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, > witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. > > 6. Inacio de Gouveia was born on 23 Jun 1769 in Piornais, , Madeira, PT. > He was christened on 28 Jun 1769 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. > He married Ana de Freitas on 28 Apr 1800 in São Martinho, Funchal, > Madeira, PT. > Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #245 fl. 30v. Godparents, > Martinho Ferreira and Francisca da Encarnacao > > 7. Ana de Freitas was born on 1 May 1781 in Nazare, Funchal, Madeira, > PT. She was christened on 6 May 1781 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. > Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #245 fl. 189. Godparents, Manuel > de Freitas and his niece Ana Sao Martinho, > Funchal Book# 252 fl.94v/95. Priest, Jose Gomes de Andrade, > witnesses, Antonio do Espirito Santo (Priest) and Estevao Ferreira de > Andrade dwelling area, Casa Branca. > > *Fourth Generation* > > 8. Joao de Freitas .Joao married Maria de Jesus Rodrigues. > Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, > witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. > > 9. Maria de Jesus Rodrigues . Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, > Antonio do Espirito Santo, witnesses, Estevao Ferreira > and Joao de Freitas. > > 10. Antonio Rodrigues .Antonio married Maria Joaquina. > > 11. Maria Joaquina . > > 12. Manuel de Gouveia .Manuel married Maria Gomes de Freitas on 18 Apr > 1768 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. > > 13. Maria Gomes de Freitas was born in Sao Martinho. > > 14. Mateus Pinto was born in Pico. He was christened in São Martinho, > Funchal, Madeira, PT. He married Maria de Freitas on 5 Feb 1770 in São > Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. > > 15. Maria de Freitas was born in Nazaré. > Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# 251 fl.66. Priest, Manuel Joao Barreto, > witnesses, Manuel > de Freitas and Antinio Fernandes Dwelling area, Nazare > > Fifth Generation > > 24. Neutel Fernendes de Gouveia .Neutel married Gomes. > > 25. Gomes . > > 26. Joao de Freitas .Joao married Josefa Gomes. > > 27. Josefa Gomes . > > 28. Domingos Pinto .Domingos married Jacinto Nunes. > > 29. Jacinto Nunes . > > 30. Nicolau Rodrigues .Nicolau married Maria de Freitas. > > 31. Maria de Freitas > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. 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Patricia Corbera wrote: > Scot, > Was Julia Donna's maternal or paternal great-grandmother? > Pat Silva Corbera > Julia's son Antonio was her mother's father. Her fathers family was from Calheta. I see no Freitas in the first 5 generations.

Scot, Was Julia Donna's maternal or paternal great-grandmother? Pat Silva Corbera Scot Austin <scotaustin@comcast.net> wrote: My wife, Donna Gomes' Great-grandmother was Julia Augusta de Freitas born 21 Aug. 1846 in Ajuda and baptised 6 Sep 1846 at Sao Martinho. I have the following ancestry for her, found for her by Mr. Luis da Sousa Melo before he retired. Can anyone add to or connect to this line. Scot Austin 1. Julia de Jesus de Freitas was born on 21 Aug 1846 in Ajuda, Funchal, Madeira, PT. She was christened on 6 Sep 1846 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho parish Bapt Book #250 fl. 186, Sao Martinho parish Marriage Book #1876 fls. 10. Godparents Manuel da Costa and Agueda de Jesus. In her son’s Baptism record, she is called Julia Agusta de Freitas. Julia married Francisco Gomes "Barba loira" son of João Gomes "Broega" and Joaquina de Jesus Maria Rodrigues on 18 May 1876 in Sao Martinho Funchal, Madeira. Francisco was born on 20 Nov 1853 in Ginjas, São Vicente, Madeira, PT. He was christened on 28 Dec 1853 in São Vicente, Madeira, PT. * Second Generation * 2. João de Freitas was born on 27 May 1823 in Ajuda, , Madeira, PT. He was christened on 8 Jun 1823 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. He married Joaquina de Gouveia on 10 Aug 1844 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #249 fl. 269. Godparents, Mateus Rodrigues, maternal uncle and Maria Gomes. 3. Joaquina de Freitas was born on 3 Sep 1815 in Ajuda, Funchal, Madeira, PT. She was christened on 6 Sep 1815 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #249 fl. 140. Godparents, Jose Pinto maternal uncle and Maria Joaquina. * Third Generation * 4. Manuel de Freitas .Manuel married Antonia Joaquina Rodrigues on 2 Sep 1802 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. 5. Antonia Joaquina Rodrigues . Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. 6. Inacio de Gouveia was born on 23 Jun 1769 in Piornais, , Madeira, PT. He was christened on 28 Jun 1769 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. He married Ana de Freitas on 28 Apr 1800 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #245 fl. 30v. Godparents, Martinho Ferreira and Francisca da Encarnacao 7. Ana de Freitas was born on 1 May 1781 in Nazare, Funchal, Madeira, PT. She was christened on 6 May 1781 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #245 fl. 189. Godparents, Manuel de Freitas and his niece Ana Sao Martinho, Funchal Book# 252 fl.94v/95. Priest, Jose Gomes de Andrade, witnesses, Antonio do Espirito Santo (Priest) and Estevao Ferreira de Andrade dwelling area, Casa Branca. *Fourth Generation* 8. Joao de Freitas .Joao married Maria de Jesus Rodrigues. Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. 9. Maria de Jesus Rodrigues . Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. 10. Antonio Rodrigues .Antonio married Maria Joaquina. 11. Maria Joaquina . 12. Manuel de Gouveia .Manuel married Maria Gomes de Freitas on 18 Apr 1768 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. 13. Maria Gomes de Freitas was born in Sao Martinho. 14. Mateus Pinto was born in Pico. He was christened in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. He married Maria de Freitas on 5 Feb 1770 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. 15. Maria de Freitas was born in Nazaré. Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# 251 fl.66. Priest, Manuel Joao Barreto, witnesses, Manuel de Freitas and Antinio Fernandes Dwelling area, Nazare Fifth Generation 24. Neutel Fernendes de Gouveia .Neutel married Gomes. 25. Gomes . 26. Joao de Freitas .Joao married Josefa Gomes. 27. Josefa Gomes . 28. Domingos Pinto .Domingos married Jacinto Nunes. 29. Jacinto Nunes . 30. Nicolau Rodrigues .Nicolau married Maria de Freitas. 31. Maria de Freitas ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Can you give me an email address for the Arquivo Regional da Mandeira? A few years ago I contacted a Mr. de Melo (with great results) but his email does not respond at this time, and I have no other email address for the Arquivo. Thanks, Betty Perreira

The arquivo e-mail address is: arm@arquivo-madeira.org -----Original Message----- From: MaiTai57@aol.com [mailto:MaiTai57@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:55 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Roll Call Can you give me an email address for the Arquivo Regional da Mandeira? A few years ago I contacted a Mr. de Melo (with great results) but his email does not respond at this time, and I have no other email address for the Arquivo. Thanks, Betty Perreira ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

My wife, Donna Gomes' Great-grandmother was Julia Augusta de Freitas born 21 Aug. 1846 in Ajuda and baptised 6 Sep 1846 at Sao Martinho. I have the following ancestry for her, found for her by Mr. Luis da Sousa Melo before he retired. Can anyone add to or connect to this line. Scot Austin 1. Julia de Jesus de Freitas was born on 21 Aug 1846 in Ajuda, Funchal, Madeira, PT. She was christened on 6 Sep 1846 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho parish Bapt Book #250 fl. 186, Sao Martinho parish Marriage Book #1876 fls. 10. Godparents Manuel da Costa and Agueda de Jesus. In her son’s Baptism record, she is called Julia Agusta de Freitas. Julia married Francisco Gomes "Barba loira" son of João Gomes "Broega" and Joaquina de Jesus Maria Rodrigues on 18 May 1876 in Sao Martinho Funchal, Madeira. Francisco was born on 20 Nov 1853 in Ginjas, São Vicente, Madeira, PT. He was christened on 28 Dec 1853 in São Vicente, Madeira, PT. * Second Generation * 2. João de Freitas was born on 27 May 1823 in Ajuda, , Madeira, PT. He was christened on 8 Jun 1823 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. He married Joaquina de Gouveia on 10 Aug 1844 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #249 fl. 269. Godparents, Mateus Rodrigues, maternal uncle and Maria Gomes. 3. Joaquina de Freitas was born on 3 Sep 1815 in Ajuda, Funchal, Madeira, PT. She was christened on 6 Sep 1815 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #249 fl. 140. Godparents, Jose Pinto maternal uncle and Maria Joaquina. * Third Generation * 4. Manuel de Freitas .Manuel married Antonia Joaquina Rodrigues on 2 Sep 1802 in Sao Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. 5. Antonia Joaquina Rodrigues . Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. 6. Inacio de Gouveia was born on 23 Jun 1769 in Piornais, , Madeira, PT. He was christened on 28 Jun 1769 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. He married Ana de Freitas on 28 Apr 1800 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #245 fl. 30v. Godparents, Martinho Ferreira and Francisca da Encarnacao 7. Ana de Freitas was born on 1 May 1781 in Nazare, Funchal, Madeira, PT. She was christened on 6 May 1781 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. Sao Martinho-Funchal Parish Record Book #245 fl. 189. Godparents, Manuel de Freitas and his niece Ana Sao Martinho, Funchal Book# 252 fl.94v/95. Priest, Jose Gomes de Andrade, witnesses, Antonio do Espirito Santo (Priest) and Estevao Ferreira de Andrade dwelling area, Casa Branca. *Fourth Generation* 8. Joao de Freitas .Joao married Maria de Jesus Rodrigues. Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. 9. Maria de Jesus Rodrigues . Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# fl. Priest, Antonio do Espirito Santo, witnesses, Estevao Ferreira and Joao de Freitas. 10. Antonio Rodrigues .Antonio married Maria Joaquina. 11. Maria Joaquina . 12. Manuel de Gouveia .Manuel married Maria Gomes de Freitas on 18 Apr 1768 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. 13. Maria Gomes de Freitas was born in Sao Martinho. 14. Mateus Pinto was born in Pico. He was christened in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. He married Maria de Freitas on 5 Feb 1770 in São Martinho, Funchal, Madeira, PT. 15. Maria de Freitas was born in Nazaré. Sao Martinho-Funchal Book# 251 fl.66. Priest, Manuel Joao Barreto, witnesses, Manuel de Freitas and Antinio Fernandes Dwelling area, Nazare Fifth Generation 24. Neutel Fernendes de Gouveia .Neutel married Gomes. 25. Gomes . 26. Joao de Freitas .Joao married Josefa Gomes. 27. Josefa Gomes . 28. Domingos Pinto .Domingos married Jacinto Nunes. 29. Jacinto Nunes . 30. Nicolau Rodrigues .Nicolau married Maria de Freitas. 31. Maria de Freitas

Friends, I am looking for information about the ancestors and descendents of Manuel Pereira, born 24 May 1852 at Ponta do Sol, and Maria Eugenia Fernandes, born about 1858 at São Jorge. Manuel and Maria Eugenia were married on Madeira in February 1879. Their first child, Maria, was born 4 Dec 1879 on Madeira (probably in the São Pedro district of Funchal). Another child, Clara, was born 21 Mar 1882 (probably in the São Pedro district of Funchal). Manuel, Maria Eugenia and both children emigrated to Hawaii in 1883. Manuel's father is Antonio Pereira, likely born at Ponta do Sol. Manuel's mother is Maria Joaquina de Jesus, likely born at Ponta do Sol. Manuel's age suggests both parents were born before 1830. Please reply if you have interest or information. Donald Rodrigues

Denise, Perry, like Joe Perry (see your Hall of Fame). The best story I have is a member of the "De Zocieur" family, who thought they were from French origin. Knowing the azorian accent, I understood where that family name came from: De Zocieur was, in fact, DOS AÇORES, i.e., from the Azores, in the azorian accent!! :-))) Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- > From: Denise1270@aol.com > Hi Luis, > > I really appreciate your story! My daughter's best friend is Brazilian, > named Beatriz Carvalho, everyone at school pronounces it Carval-ho just like you > said about Coelho Street. Too funny! > I know there are Freitas on the mainland and Azores, my grandmother is > Azorean, they just are still rare to come by, for me anyway, in my area. > Interestingly, my name before I married was Denise De Freitas; while reading > about the recent high school graduates in the town next to mine last year > there was a Denise De Freitas! Even more ironic is that her brother is Joseph > De Freitas, and so is my brother!! > In the US my uncle's Goncalves was mutated to Gonzales. And how about > Pereira as Perry, too funny! > Denise D'Antona

This Monday night, Lusaweb.com will have a guest Katherine Borges, speaking about her DNA Project on the Azores, Madeira and Portugal. All are invited to attend. Time: 6:00 pm US e.s.t. - 9 pm US p.s.t. . This informative lecture is planned to last @ 1 to 1 1/2 hours with a chance to ask questions to Katherine afterwards. You do not need to be a member of Lusaweb to attend this internet chat. Go to www.lusaweb.com , click on Chat, enter a name under USER NAME, then enter a nickname under NICKNAME. Then press CONNECT. Be patient, you may have to wait about 20 seconds before you are in the chat room. Linda Teixeira Crandall Arco da Calheta, Madeira roots

Hi Luis, I really appreciate your story! My daughter's best friend is Brazilian, named Beatriz Carvalho, everyone at school pronounces it Carval-ho just like you said about Coelho Street. Too funny! I know there are Freitas on the mainland and Azores, my grandmother is Azorean, they just are still rare to come by, for me anyway, in my area. Interestingly, my name before I married was Denise De Freitas; while reading about the recent high school graduates in the town next to mine last year there was a Denise De Freitas! Even more ironic is that her brother is Joseph De Freitas, and so is my brother!! In the US my uncle's Goncalves was mutated to Gonzales. And how about Pereira as Perry, too funny! Denise D'Antona In a message dated 1/19/2006 5:12:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, luisbeal@yahoo.com writes: Freitas is a very common name not just in Madeira but also in the continent, and I am sure the Azores also. I am portuguese born and raised but I live in the US and I have to say that I have heard many portuguese names pronounced in such a way that I did not recognize them as portuguese. I have to see them written down to know. I am sure you can pronounce your name the portuguese way but I have to share what I have seen so far happen in this country. For example my oldest son is named Miguel and he has been called Maguel, Meigue'l, Migu'e'l, Magu'e'l. And this is also a spanish name so one would think it would be pronounced correctly. My favorite name screw up is a street in California called Coelho St. It is pronounced Co^e'ho^ with the hard english H sound, it sounds very interesting. Although the "lh" sound is a very hard sound for an american to pronounce (like the "th" sound is for a portuguese) the way the word is pronounced here is even harder than the original form.! I remember the guy who told us about this street name was getting frustrated because we did not recognize it and he kept repeating it and saying that it was a portuguese name. Well he was right but I could not tell until I saw it written down. And then, of course, there are the portuguese names that have been completely americanized and impossible to recognize as portuguese. This is the case of my uncle who moved from Madeira to the US, his last name was Rodrigues da Ressurreicao but his children go by Rogers. I always get a kick out of that one. Luis Beal

Hopefully with all the recent posting activity on the surname of "de Freitas," we'll find a common ancestor. Here's my paternal "de Freitas," ancestry. Francisco Tavares c.c. Maria Rodrigues (m. Santa Maria Maior-Funchal. Per Arm all records before 1803 lost) parents of: Simao de Freitas Tavares c.c. Maria Silva Jardim (m. Estreito da Calheta Oct 10 1683) parents of: Antonio (Jose) de Freitas b. 1708 c.c.Maria de Agrella (m. 1736 Estreito da Calheta) parents of: Jose de Freitas b. 1736 c.c. Isabel Maria Vitoria de Jesus (m. Calheta 1769)parents of: Joao de Freitas b. 1774 c.c. Rosa (Joaquina) de Sao Jose (m.1797 Calheta)parents of: Joao de Freitas Jr. b. 1800 c.c. Maria de Jesus (m. Calheta 1836) parents of: Joao de Freitas III c.c. Carolina Augusta Sardinha (m. 1863 Calheta) parents of: Maria Carolina de Freitas c.c. Antonio da Silva Se' (m. 1889 Calheta) parents of: Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' c.c. Maria Madelina da Silva Se' (my parents).. Patricia (Pat) Silva Corbera California USA tiamaria <tiamaria@frostdesign.com> wrote: Have we started a trend here? If so, I will add a bit of my de Freitas history. Paternal grandmother Ema was daughter of Teodolinda de Freitas from Machico. Teodolinda's parents were Germano de Freitas and Maria dos Santos of Machico (1831). Germano's parents were Ambrosio de Freitas and Maria de Jesus of Machico (1791). Ambrosio's parents were Manuel de Freitas and Francisca de Freitas of Machico (1744). There are now two lines of de Freitas here. But wait... if you go back to Maria dos Santos 1831----her mother Joana de Jesus was the daughter of Eugenia de Freitas and Bras Pereira (1719) of Machico. That makes three lines of de Freitas all from the Machico area that merge into one. Unfortunately, no one who emigrated from direct line carried the de Freitas name to the US. Mary da Silva Frost ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Have we started a trend here? If so, I will add a bit of my de Freitas history. Paternal grandmother Ema was daughter of Teodolinda de Freitas from Machico. Teodolinda's parents were Germano de Freitas and Maria dos Santos of Machico (1831). Germano's parents were Ambrosio de Freitas and Maria de Jesus of Machico (1791). Ambrosio's parents were Manuel de Freitas and Francisca de Freitas of Machico (1744). There are now two lines of de Freitas here. But wait... if you go back to Maria dos Santos 1831----her mother Joana de Jesus was the daughter of Eugenia de Freitas and Bras Pereira (1719) of Machico. That makes three lines of de Freitas all from the Machico area that merge into one. Unfortunately, no one who emigrated from direct line carried the de Freitas name to the US. Mary da Silva Frost

Hi Fellow List Members, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to join in this discussion of Freitas ancestry. Here's my Freitas Family... Antonio de Freitas c.c. Beatris Goncalves parents of- Manuel de Freitas bapt 1695 c.c. Helena Rodrigues m. Arco da Calheta parents of Francisco de Freitas b. 1727 c.c.Josefa Maria(da Silva) m. Arco da Calheta parents of Antonio de Freitas (widower, 1st wife Lourenca Rosa) bapt 1751 c.c. Ana de Jesus m. Calheta 1789 parents of Francisco de Freitas bapt 1795 c.c. Alexandrina Rosa m. 1830 Calheta parents of Antonia Roza de Freitas c.c. Antonio da Camara m. 1873 parents of Julia Augusta de Freitas b. 1883 c.c. Antonio da Silva Se' m 1900 Calheta parents of Maria Madelina da Silva Se' b. 1901 c.c. Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' parents of Me -(my parents...) The next sequence of events focuses my Grandma Julia Augusta de Freitas.. Age 17 - She and Antonio da Silva Se' marry Age 23 - She migrates with her husband and two of their three children to USA. The oldest being my mom, who was almost 5 yrs old and her brother 3 yrs old. The youngest child (19 months old) was left with Julia's parents. Age 30 - Grandma Julia dies from complication of a miscarriage, leaving three children in the USA and one child still in Madeira all under the age of 12. This was Feb 1914. In July 1913 the child that was left in Madeira with his maternal grandparents obtains a passport to join his parents in the USA. I just recently learned of this, thanks to ARM providing a copy of that passport record. I now need to establish when this child of 8 yrs old actually traveled to the USA. By 1923 at the age of 18 he would also be dead, killed in a job related accident. The emotional roller coaster of life. The above is my maternal de Freitas story... in another posting I'll share my paternal de Freitas ancestry. My mom loved telling the story of how she and dad had to pay the priest 10 extra dollars to married them, because they were 1st cousins, one generation removed, as she continued with her story, she would laugh, while saying, it was a good thing the priest didn't "zero-in," on the fact that her mother and dad's mother were both from da Freitas families. The priest probably would have charged another $10.00 or possible wouldn't have married them at all. What was this next money for, I asked... "to separate the blood, so that their children would be "normal." Ah! normal whatever that is... ;-)). To date I haven't established if my paternal and maternal grandmothers were related. . Patricia (Pat) Julia Silva (da Silva Se') Corbera (by the time I came along our surname of da Silva Se' had been shortened to just Silva. California USA Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hello José, Thank you so much for reading my LONG story! It is a sad one indeed. Not only Portuguese women had this type of situation happen to them. I'm happy to know there are Freitas in Canada! The name is popping up here in New York state a bit more now too. Now that you mention the name Pico do Arieiro, I'm sure that was it. I just couldn't remember the name. We went from seeing the town inside the volcano, to the snow capped pico to waterfalls that were in the rocks along the cliffs going around the island. What a diverse place to live! Regards, Denise D'Antona In a message dated 1/19/2006 4:19:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca writes: Denise, There are some Freitas living in Canada! I want to thank you for sharing your story. I felt sad for our people, especially our women who have suffered so much over the years. My grandmother told of many stories similar to yours. The mountain that you saw must have been Pico do Arieiro, but I am sure Paulo will tell you that. Greetings from Canada. José Fernandes ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hello José, Thank you so much for reading my LONG story! It is a sad one indeed. Not only Portuguese women had this type of situation happen to them. I'm happy to know there are Freitas in Canada! The name is popping up here in New York state a bit more now too. Now that you mention the name Pico do Arieiro, I'm sure that was it. I just couldn't remember the name. We went from seeing the town inside the volcano, to the snow capped pico to waterfalls that were in the rocks along the cliffs going around the island. What a diverse place to live! Regards, Denise D'Antona In a message dated 1/19/2006 4:19:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca writes: Denise, There are some Freitas living in Canada! I want to thank you for sharing your story. I felt sad for our people, especially our women who have suffered so much over the years. My grandmother told of many stories similar to yours. The mountain that you saw must have been Pico do Arieiro, but I am sure Paulo will tell you that. Greetings from Canada. José Fernandes

Hi Paulo, We are in winter here but the temperature is warm for what it should be. Today we have about 50 degrees. It's still cold but much warmer than it should be. I remember when I was on Madeira we went for a drive around the island and then we came to this one area very high up and I was surprised to see snow up there! We went in June/July 1988 and the weather was so pleasant there. I have met Portuguese people here in the US that have never heard of the name Freitas...I guess that's because they are all living in Madeira!! lol As for the Freitas of S. Martinho, this is what I know...Back to the early 1800s the paternal line carried Gonclaves de Freitas, though men and women in the family did marry those that carried just Freitas. These are the people I will be looking for in the Mormon library so that I can go backwards on their lines. Anyway, my grandfather was José Gonçalves de Freitas, his parents were Feliciano Gonçalves de Freitas and Maria da Conceição. Maria was baptised as Maria Isabel and later changed it at confirmation. Feliciano was the son of Francisco Gonçalves de Freitas and Maria Augusta de Freitas (Maria Augusta was daughter of João de Freitas and Isabel Augusta de Jesus de Freitas - João was the son of Joaquim de Freitas and Maria Joaquina...Isabel Augusta was daughter of Manuel Rodrigues and Antónia Perpétua da Incarnação). These families were all from Pico do Funcho. Now back to Maria da Conceição, Maria's parents were Manuel Pereira de Oliveira and Maria Carolina Lopes Serrão. Manuel at one time had a partnership in two newspapers, O Independente and A Luz, and the family was fairly well off. He later lost his ownership in these papers after making a bet with his partner and losing. Anyway, Maria was about 10 years older than Feliciano and Manuel did not want them to marry, also because her social stature was better than Feliciano's. They married anyway in 1907 and started to have children the following year. At some point Feliciano started going back and forth to the US, he was a carpenter and would come here and build houses etc. Then a decision was made that he was going to stay in the US and call for her and the kids to come as he earned more money. He permanently left Madeira before his youngest son was born and never went back. There were 8 kids, 2 died as infants, Maria was left there to take care of them all by herself. Her oldest son Americo left with his father when he was about 14, after that each of her sons came here when they were about 17 or 18 and her 1 daughter stayed with her. Feliciano called for her to come here once but Maria was too ill to make the trip. He never called for her again and they never saw each other again. Feliciano was a rather wild person, he liked to drink alcohol and get into fights. He eventually married another woman here and had 2 children with her that Maria never knew of. My grandfather José never had a relationship with his father because he lived in Madeira and when José came here and saw how his father was he despised it. He would have nothing to do with him. Had Maria listened to her father she may have married someone better for her, but then I wouldn't be here now. My grandfather was always told that his mothers family was part English and that was how they came to have the blue eyes. In my research so far, and some of it with your help, have found no connection to anyone that was born in England. So I do not know yet if there is any tie to the established Freitas family of S. Martinho that you mentioned, but I'm sure it is possible. There are other connections to Freitas that I did not mention above. Maybe we will find another link when I figure out more of these Freitas relatives. Denise In a message dated 1/16/2006 6:10:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, darwin@spamcop.net writes: Hi Denise, It's cold here, right now, maybe 10 or 9 Celsius here where I live, which is awful cold for Madeira, but we can always warm up when we see the temperatures at the maniland. :) About the Freitas: Though there are millions of Freitas in Madeira (God knows why, and there's a similar case with the Gouveias) there is a well structured Freitas family living in S. Martinho which is also subject of my research. It's the line of Maria Augusta, which in 1852 married Francisco Alves, fisherman in Câmara de Lobos, parents of the misterious José Alves "seaman" (postumous father of my great grand father) which married Silvina Constança Henriques, the well educated girl from the wealthy Gomes Henriques family, known at the time as the "meninos de Belém", the silverspoon children of Belém, a place in Câmara de Lobos. God would know how that marriage came to be. I've a picture of that lady, dressed in Belle Epoque black clothes, plumes hat, long black gloves and all, with quite a noble pose, and it is difficult to imagine that she was the widow of a seaman or fisherman - let alone one from Câmara de Lobos! Certainly a serious case of love. ;) Anyway, the Freitas. Maria Augusta, daughter of Silvéria Rosa (Tº Gonçalves Rocha) and Victorino de Freitas, son of Vicência da Rosa (Tº Mouras do Porto da Cruz) and José de Freitas, son of Maria Gomes and António de Freitas, son of Mª da Candelária and Pedro de Freitas, son of Martim de Freitas, who married Helena da Costa in S. Martinho, 1672 (I've yet to check this marriage). Possibly the same Freitas family of your branch...? Paulo On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:54:53 -0000, <Denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > HI Paulo, how have you been? Thank you for your help. I will request > the > record based on your information below. > I understand about the other couple having common names. I am also > researching de Freitas, and as you know on Madeira that is like looking > for a needle > in a haystack! There are so many Freitas with same given names it > really > makes you work hard! Thereward is always worth it! > > Denise > In a message dated 1/10/2006 1:36:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > darwin@spamcop.net writes: > > Here is the marriage record you should request: > > Francisco Gonçalves + Tomásia Joaquina > 1827 > São Martinho > book 253 > page 186 v.º > > The parents of Julia, however, have very common names, and return a list > of various possible couples on that year range. > > Hope this helps, > > Paulo > > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:49:41 -0000, <Denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> Hi again, >> Looking for info on Francisco Goncalves de Freitas of Pico do Fucho, >> Sao >> Martinho, Funchal. He was married to Thomasia Joaquina also of Pico do >> Funcho. >> Their son was Manuel Goncalves de Freitas that was married to Julia >> Candida >> da Silva about 1856. Julia's parents were Manuel da Silva and Maria >> Joaquina. >> Any help is appreciated. >> Denise de Freitas d'Antona