Bob, Here's the website address for the Madeira Regional Archives...once you're on their website, scan down to the very bottom... click on e-mail... http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/ Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com wrote: Thanks for the information. But you state that you order vital on line. How did you go about that. I was not aware of a web site or anything like that. I am not able to read Portuguese but I kind of understand some of it. Can you send me the link on this, or who I should contact? Bob Camacho Researching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Janette, Thank you, never thought of using Western Union. Good idea... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Hi Pat, I've use Western Union to make payment - fast and easy to do. I basically filled out the form with his name and location (simply Madeira, Portugal) and they do the conversion of the euros to dollars, and it's a quick credit card payment. The payment is usually received by Mr. Andrade within a day. So all in all I have my documents within a week of making payment. Western Union does charge a service fee - but still much less than the banks. You can track the payment, so I think it's worth it. The last fee was around $14 CND - not enough to break the bank! Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:58 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Paulo Jardim I can also say the same. I have ordered vital records online, and Sr. Andrade has helped to locate them. Janette, what means of payment did you use? I used USA cash, but was concerned about sending cash in the mail. I neglected to ask what they accept for payment, do you know?. Pat Silva Corbera CA USA Janette Chun wrote: I have found the Madeira archive extremely helpful in my research - I've dealt with a Snr. Nuno Andrade there. They have been exceptional in delivering certificates and checking on data for me. Janette Chun -----Original Message----- From: BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com [mailto:BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:26 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Paulo Jardim thank everyone, Yes I have used Joao Ventura for both my Graciosa and Terceira Research. But I have been looking for someone in the Madeira area. I also asked about the Brazil research but I have never got a reply. My Great-grandfather was born there but after all these year I still are not able to locate there and have tried of couple of times on the Brazilian posting to see if there is someone that could help me but no reply either. I do want to thank you for the information on Sr Melo and I will check that out. Thank you for those that did reply Bob Camacho Researching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Bob, Here's the link for the arquivo's website http://www.arquivo-madeira.org. They have the marriage database online and baptism database for Porto Santo online too. Hopefully other areas will be available soon. Select 'Base de Dados' on the left-hand side of the homepage under Servicos de Comunicacao. Searching the database can take a while - it's a little quircky. You need to try it your search in various ways if at first you get no results. It only accepts spelling with the required accents and cedillas, so I copy the names such as Antonio (which has the little accent on the o and Mendonca (which has a cedilla on the c) and then cut and paste that into the search. Or you can just type in the first three letters of the Name, say Anto and see what it comes up with. When all else has failed I have actually (over a course of hours) gone through the database under the correct letters to find the listing I wanted. Happy searching! Janette -----Original Message----- From: BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com [mailto:BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:25 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Paulo Jardim Thanks for the information. But you state that you order vital on line. How did you go about that. I was not aware of a web site or anything like that. I am not able to read Portuguese but I kind of understand some of it. Can you send me the link on this, or who I should contact? Bob Camacho Researching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Pat, I've use Western Union to make payment - fast and easy to do. I basically filled out the form with his name and location (simply Madeira, Portugal) and they do the conversion of the euros to dollars, and it's a quick credit card payment. The payment is usually received by Mr. Andrade within a day. So all in all I have my documents within a week of making payment. Western Union does charge a service fee - but still much less than the banks. You can track the payment, so I think it's worth it. The last fee was around $14 CND - not enough to break the bank! Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:58 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Paulo Jardim I can also say the same. I have ordered vital records online, and Sr. Andrade has helped to locate them. Janette, what means of payment did you use? I used USA cash, but was concerned about sending cash in the mail. I neglected to ask what they accept for payment, do you know?. Pat Silva Corbera CA USA Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: I have found the Madeira archive extremely helpful in my research - I've dealt with a Snr. Nuno Andrade there. They have been exceptional in delivering certificates and checking on data for me. Janette Chun -----Original Message----- From: BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com [mailto:BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:26 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Paulo Jardim thank everyone, Yes I have used Joao Ventura for both my Graciosa and Terceira Research. But I have been looking for someone in the Madeira area. I also asked about the Brazil research but I have never got a reply. My Great-grandfather was born there but after all these year I still are not able to locate there and have tried of couple of times on the Brazilian posting to see if there is someone that could help me but no reply either. I do want to thank you for the information on Sr Melo and I will check that out. Thank you for those that did reply Bob Camacho Researching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Just as a reminder, I met Paulo Jardim this past April while in Funchal. Geology research is not his profession. He is like most of us. He joined this list because he was researching his own ancestry and helps others when he can. In addition to employment, he may be taking university classes. So his time may be limited. David DeGrella Goodlettsville, TN On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:42:41 -0800 (PST) Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> writes: > Hi Bob, > Not sure if Paulo actually does research as his profession or just > as a hobby. I used Luis de Sousa Melo to do my research. He is the > retired Madeira Regional Archive Director. If you're looking for > someone to do your research in Madeira, and you are unable to > contact Sr. Melo, I would then suggest contacting the Madeira > Archives... they may have access to individuals that can help. > I was very pleased with the work that Sr. Melo did for me. His > address is: > Sr. Luis Melo > Bureau of Genealogical Research > Rua da Ponte Nova 43 > 9000 Funchal, Madeira, Portugal > > The only e-mail address I have for him is - > nop36465@mail.telepac.pt > It's been a couple of years since we exchanged e-mails..

Bob, What are some of the surnames that you are looking for in Madeira? Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com wrote: thank everyone, Yes I have used Joao Ventura for both my Graciosa and Terceira Research. But I have been looking for someone in the Madeira area. I also asked about the Brazil research but I have never got a reply. My Great-grandfather was born there but after all these year I still are not able to locate there and have tried of couple of times on the Brazilian posting to see if there is someone that could help me but no reply either. I do want to thank you for the information on Sr Melo and I will check that out. Thank you for those that did reply Bob Camacho Researching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I can also say the same. I have ordered vital records online, and Sr. Andrade has helped to locate them. Janette, what means of payment did you use? I used USA cash, but was concerned about sending cash in the mail. I neglected to ask what they accept for payment, do you know?. Pat Silva Corbera CA USA Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: I have found the Madeira archive extremely helpful in my research - I've dealt with a Snr. Nuno Andrade there. They have been exceptional in delivering certificates and checking on data for me. Janette Chun -----Original Message----- From: BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com [mailto:BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:26 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Paulo Jardim thank everyone, Yes I have used Joao Ventura for both my Graciosa and Terceira Research. But I have been looking for someone in the Madeira area. I also asked about the Brazil research but I have never got a reply. My Great-grandfather was born there but after all these year I still are not able to locate there and have tried of couple of times on the Brazilian posting to see if there is someone that could help me but no reply either. I do want to thank you for the information on Sr Melo and I will check that out. Thank you for those that did reply Bob Camacho Researching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

thank everyone, Yes I have used Joao Ventura for both my Graciosa and Terceira Research. But I have been looking for someone in the Madeira area. I also asked about the Brazil research but I have never got a reply. My Great-grandfather was born there but after all these year I still are not able to locate there and have tried of couple of times on the Brazilian posting to see if there is someone that could help me but no reply either. I do want to thank you for the information on Sr Melo and I will check that out. Thank you for those that did reply Bob Camacho Researching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho

He is still on the list, but sometimes is not available to respond. I don't think he does research there but is always willing to help if he can. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 3/10/2006 6:30:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com writes: I asked this question once before is he someone that does research in Madeira or does someone know of someone that lives there. I never got a reply and it would be helpful to know. Thanks Bob Camacho searching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho

I asked this question once before is he someone that does research in Madeira or does someone know of someone that lives there. I never got a reply and it would be helpful to know. Thanks Bob Camacho searching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho

I have found the Madeira archive extremely helpful in my research - I've dealt with a Snr. Nuno Andrade there. They have been exceptional in delivering certificates and checking on data for me. Janette Chun -----Original Message----- From: BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com [mailto:BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:26 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Paulo Jardim thank everyone, Yes I have used Joao Ventura for both my Graciosa and Terceira Research. But I have been looking for someone in the Madeira area. I also asked about the Brazil research but I have never got a reply. My Great-grandfather was born there but after all these year I still are not able to locate there and have tried of couple of times on the Brazilian posting to see if there is someone that could help me but no reply either. I do want to thank you for the information on Sr Melo and I will check that out. Thank you for those that did reply Bob Camacho Researching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi, that's interesting it never appeared on my screen... Pat Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> wrote: I got the one you sent to Bob about Paulo twice plus the Graciosa once. Luis Beal Patricia Corbera wrote: It appears that not all postings are appearing/being received. I sent a post answering Bob's question about Paulo. I haven't seen it appear, so I re-posted it...the one posting about Graciosa seems to be ok... Anyone else having this problem? Pat Silva Corbera ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I got the one you sent to Bob about Paulo twice plus the Graciosa once. Luis Beal Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: It appears that not all postings are appearing/being received. I sent a post answering Bob's question about Paulo. I haven't seen it appear, so I re-posted it...the one posting about Graciosa seems to be ok... Anyone else having this problem? Pat Silva Corbera ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

It appears that not all postings are appearing/being received. I sent a post answering Bob's question about Paulo. I haven't seen it appear, so I re-posted it...the one posting about Graciosa seems to be ok... Anyone else having this problem? Pat Silva Corbera

Hi Bob, Not sure if Paulo actually does research as his profession or just as a hobby. I used Luis de Sousa Melo to do my research. He is the retired Madeira Regional Archive Director. If you're looking for someone to do your research in Madeira, and you are unable to contact Sr. Melo, I would then suggest contacting the Madeira Archives... they may have access to individuals that can help. I was very pleased with the work that Sr. Melo did for me. His address is: Sr. Luis Melo Bureau of Genealogical Research Rua da Ponte Nova 43 9000 Funchal, Madeira, Portugal The only e-mail address I have for him is - nop36465@mail.telepac.pt It's been a couple of years since we exchanged e-mails.. BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com wrote: I asked this question once before is he someone that does research in Madeira or does someone know of someone that lives there. I never got a reply and it would be helpful to know. Thanks Bob Camacho searching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Bob, If you're looking for someone to do your Graciosa research, I just recently used Joao Ventura "joao ventura" heroi99@yahoo.com. I can't say enough good things about how he handled my request and his fee was reasonable. Pat Silva Corbera p.s. He may also do Terceira. BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com wrote: I asked this question once before is he someone that does research in Madeira or does someone know of someone that lives there. I never got a reply and it would be helpful to know. Thanks Bob Camacho searching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Bob, Not sure if Paulo actually does research as his profession or just as a hobby. I used Luis de Sousa Melo to do my research. He is the retired Madeira Regional Archive Director. If you're looking for someone to do your research in Madeira, and you are unable to contact Sr. Melo, I would then suggest contacting the Madeira Archives... they may have access to individuals that can help. I was very pleased with the work that Sr. Melo did for me. His address is: Sr. Luis Melo Bureau of Genealogical Research Rua da Ponte Nova 43 9000 Funchal, Madeira, Portugal The only e-mail address I have for him is - nop36465@mail.telepac.pt It's been a couple of years since we exchanged e-mails.. BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com wrote: I asked this question once before is he someone that does research in Madeira or does someone know of someone that lives there. I never got a reply and it would be helpful to know. Thanks Bob Camacho searching the islands of Terceira for da Costa, and Evangelho, Graciousa for Reis, and Madeira for Camacho ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Is Paulo Jardim still available for e-mail exchange on this list...? Pat Silva Corbera

Greetings! On 14 Dec 2005, the Madeira DNA Project was established to coordinate DNA results for participants of Madeiran heritage. The new website can be viewed at: http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/madeira/dna.htm José Fernandes, a native Madeiran, provided the beautiful photos of Madeira. If you've already tested with Family Tree DNA or thru National Geographic Genographic Project (or any other testing firm), you're welcome to add your results to the project. New participants are always welcome to join too! A new Google Earth mapping feature was added in January by Family Tree DNA to view participants' ancestral locations: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/madeira Click "Satellite" and then the '+' and zoom in four times for a view of Madeira. Then click on each of the red dots. The site also contains Madeiran genealogical and historical links. Please feel free to ask any questions you may have. Saudações, Katherine Borges Madeira DNA Project Co-administrator

Dear Luis B (é verdade! Nevou aqui em Lisboa no Domingo passado. Mas nada que se compare com o nevão de 1954) Ok! The fact of not speaking the local LANGUAGE might have been a reason for not wanting their sons to speak their mother language at home, and thus, not wanting to tell them they were Portuguese (so that they would speak english like everybody else). Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- > From: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] little story, from rootsweb review > Date: Sábado, 4 de Fevereiro de 2006 0:50 > > Luis, > Yes, one should be proud of his/her nationality. But also when people immigrate they worry about being treated differently because they don't talk or act like everyone else. The way many dealt with the situation, and are are still dealing with nowadays here in the US, was by either not talking about their roots or not speaking or teaching their native language to their children. This way when the kids grew up speaking like everyone else they were supposedly treated the same and had as many chances in life as all other kids. We see this with Mexican, Asians, Portuguese, and other nationalities. There is a fear of being treated like minorities. Being foreign myself I understand the feeling and need but I do not agree that hidding the origins or not teaching their children their native language helps. On the contrary, I believe that by teaching children a second language we are opening more doors and oportunities to them than trying to make them grow up like everyone else. B! > ut that > is just my opinion. > On the other hand, these children who are now grown up, and their children, are usually very proud of their roots. I have met many women and men who told me they were portuguese, and silly me thinking that being portuguese meant you were born in portugal and spoke the language, and I find out that they are grand-children or great grand children of native portuguese people. Usually they do not speak the language, or if the do it is just a little bit and it is because they are interested and love the language and made an effort to learn. They are wonderful. So, what the portuguese immigrants lacked in pride their descendants more than make up for it. That is why we have so many wonderful people on this list. > Luis Beal > PS- E' verdade que nevou ai no fim de semana passado? Tinha um artigo ontem online que disse isso. Ta' aqui: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060130/sc_nm/environment_portugal_dc > > Luis K W <luis_k_w@clix.pt> wrote: > Dear Luis B. > (Prazer em falar consigo de novo). > > I understand perfectly what your wrote. I know some people that behave > exactly as you described, nowadays (i'm talking about people in the 30's, > not about old people). > > So, I understand they didn't want to talk about their dead family. > But, shouldn't one be proud of his nationality? > Most emigrants we are talking about (those who didn't like to talk about > their roots), went to the States in the turn of the (19-20) century. > "Nationality" was a very important issue in Europe. > Millions died for it... > Hmmm...! Probably THAT was the reason. :-) > > Luis K W > Lisboa-Portugal > ---------- > > From: Luis Beal > > > > It wasn't just the emigrants, it was just the way they were back in those > days. And not just portuguese but all other nacionalities too. For some > reason when someone in a family died the rest of the family no longer > talked about that person. It was as if they never existed. The "let the > dead rest" or " "leave the dead alone" is something older people truly > believed in. My grandmother, for example, was one of 16 kids and yet when > we would ask her her siblings names she would only list 5, because she was > too young when the others died and her parents never told her anything > about them. As I have helped people research their families I have found a > lot of that happened to them too. Another reason was if they no longer were > friends with someone in the family they treated them as if they had died. I > find that in spouses that separated or children who ran away from home > because of an argument of some sort. When couples split or the father ran > away, especially if the father was a ! > > jerk, > > then he was as good as dead, and neither the mother or the kids would > talk about him ever again. > > Go figure, I could never understand it myself but for our ancestors > that was the way it was supposed to be. > > Luis Beal > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. 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