Dear Margaret Thank you for the advice on the site I need to purchase a copy of the book from but would you be able to give me the web address? I have done a search on the web but can't seem to see anything so far which relates to purchasing books. Thanking you! Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:25 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira I believe that I purchased my copy from the Nassa site. Try that site because they offer other books as well. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > Dear List > > I see that a lot of people are referring lately to a book called "Arquivo > Historica da Madeira". Does anybody have any idea where I can get a copy of > this? > > Kind regards, > Marcia Bezuidenhout > South Africa > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:36 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > > Dear Julie Gerren: > > My grandfather was Joao d'Abreu Faria. As you know, Faria was the name of > his wifes family. I searched the book ARQUIVO HISTORICA DA MADEIRA and to > the area of Campanario that is in the Concelho de Camara De Lobos. This is > next to Ribeira Grande. Mother said that her earlier family lived in > Ribeira Grande however before the great landslide there they located in > Campanario. There was a great landslide at Ribeira Grande and perhaps you > may have difficulty find some records. I had that problem with Campanrio > because of a great fire that destroyed the church and records. > > In the Arquivo book I did find several Inacio de Abreu married to Maria > Joaquina in 1814. I would suggest that if you donot locate your relations > in Ribeira Grande, try some of the nearby parishes. The parrish in > Companario is Sao Bras or Braz. > The notation of the book that the Arquivo were able to locate the above > mentioned Inacio is --Book 314 page 154 vo. > > The Arquivo Historica Da Madeira book is the indice of the registry of > concelhos and there are several. There may be one on Ribeira Grande. Sub > title--Indice dos registos de Casamentos do Concelho de Camara de Lobos > 1564 - 1893. > > My d' Abreu's connected to Gonsalves, Faria, Moniz, Fernandes, and Silva. > > Hope that you are successful in your search and look in neighboring parishes > as well. > > Margaret Campos > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <BlueGoose6@aol.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > > > > My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. > Her > > father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all > I > > have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage > license > > of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents > > were then. > > > > Julie Gerren > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear.. (?) Blue Goose I'm a little bit confused. ANICETA DE JESUS/ ANICETA SIMOES (/Ernestina Amalia de Jesus) was your GREATgrandmother, right? SHE was not married to the father(s) of her two boys, MANUEL FARIA and JOAO FARIA. Ok. Now I think I got it. So you have different possibilities for her name. That's easy. The only one you should believe is the name in the PORTUGUESE documents, for instance, your grandfather's (Manuel Faria) BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Your uncle's birth certificate says your GREAT-GRANDMOTHER is ANICETA DE JESUS. (Btw. It seems there are some words missing. It should say: "E neto paterno de Aniceta de Jesus"). Well... her full name could be "Aniceta de Jesus Simoes". "de Jesus" usually is a devocional name, and it can be used as a second "first name". "Simoes" being, thus, her family name. (like in "Mary-of-Jesus Smith"). The Birth Certificate basically says: your uncle MANUEL FARIA JR was born in Jan.21, 1914 SON OF Manuel Faria, married, born in (the "frequesia" of) Ribeira Brava, and Maria da Conceicao, married, born in (the "frequesia" of) Ribeira Brava, both living in a place called "Lombo de Sao Joao" HIS GRANDPARENTS are: (from his father's side): Aniceta de Jesus and from his mother's side Manuel Inacio e Abreu and Maria Augusta. Good luck Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- > From: BlueGoose6@aol.com > Date: Terça-feira, 19 de Setembro de 2006 20:01 > > My grandfather was Manuel Faria and his brother was Joao Faria. His mother > was Aniceta de Jesus. My grandmother was not married to the father of the > two boys. He was the landlord in more ways than one. > > I also have another name for his mother. One was on his wedding certificate > and one was on his immigration record but according to my mother who was > born in Madeira her grandmother was Aniceta de Jesus. The other name is > Ernestina Amalia de Jesus. > > Here is my uncle's birth certificate. If someone can translate this I would > appreciate it. > > Conservatoria do Registo Civil D e Ponta Do Sol > Certidao de Narrativa Completa De Registo De Nascimento > Certifice que no livro de assentos de nascimento arquivado nesta > Conservatoria, referente ao ano de 1914, , , , existe um > Registo n. 71 do qual consta que: > No dia vinte e um de Janeiro de mil novecentos e catorze, na frequesia > d e Ribeira Brava, do concelho de Ponta do Sol > Nasceu um individuo do sexo masculine, a quem fol posto o nome complete > de MANUEL FARIA JUNIOR , filho Manuel Faria, no estado de casado > Natural de frequesia da Ribeira Brava, > E de Maria da Conceicao, no estado de casada, natural de frequesia da > Ribeira Brava, e residente s. no sitio do Lombo de Sao Joao > E de Aniceta de Jesus > E materno de Manuel Inacio e Abreu > E de Maria Augusta > A margem do registo constam os averbamentos seguintes: ( Nada consta)
You can also get it directly from the archive in Madeira - http://www.arquivo-madeira.org Look under 'publicacoes' In terms of payment - they ask for an undated cheque - this has not been possible from Canada, so I have sent them a dated cheque (bank issued) with a validity of 6 months. This has been accepted. They no longer accept direct payment from an agency such as Western Union. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:25 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira I believe that I purchased my copy from the Nassa site. Try that site because they offer other books as well. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > Dear List > > I see that a lot of people are referring lately to a book called "Arquivo > Historica da Madeira". Does anybody have any idea where I can get a copy of > this? > > Kind regards, > Marcia Bezuidenhout > South Africa > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:36 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > > Dear Julie Gerren: > > My grandfather was Joao d'Abreu Faria. As you know, Faria was the name of > his wifes family. I searched the book ARQUIVO HISTORICA DA MADEIRA and to > the area of Campanario that is in the Concelho de Camara De Lobos. This is > next to Ribeira Grande. Mother said that her earlier family lived in > Ribeira Grande however before the great landslide there they located in > Campanario. There was a great landslide at Ribeira Grande and perhaps you > may have difficulty find some records. I had that problem with Campanrio > because of a great fire that destroyed the church and records. > > In the Arquivo book I did find several Inacio de Abreu married to Maria > Joaquina in 1814. I would suggest that if you donot locate your relations > in Ribeira Grande, try some of the nearby parishes. The parrish in > Companario is Sao Bras or Braz. > The notation of the book that the Arquivo were able to locate the above > mentioned Inacio is --Book 314 page 154 vo. > > The Arquivo Historica Da Madeira book is the indice of the registry of > concelhos and there are several. There may be one on Ribeira Grande. Sub > title--Indice dos registos de Casamentos do Concelho de Camara de Lobos > 1564 - 1893. > > My d' Abreu's connected to Gonsalves, Faria, Moniz, Fernandes, and Silva. > > Hope that you are successful in your search and look in neighboring parishes > as well. > > Margaret Campos > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <BlueGoose6@aol.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > > > > My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. > Her > > father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all > I > > have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage > license > > of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents > > were then. > > > > Julie Gerren > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jose' Thank you for the information. I was not aware of the split and wondered why my ancestors went to Campanario. Thanks Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernandes, Jose" <jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira I believe that since late 1800's Ribeira Brava was taken from Ponta de Sol and a made a Concelho. Today (and probably since then) Campanário is parte of Ribeira Brava. If true does this help? José -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: September 19, 2006 2:36 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira Dear Julie Gerren: My grandfather was Joao d'Abreu Faria. As you know, Faria was the name of his wifes family. I searched the book ARQUIVO HISTORICA DA MADEIRA and to the area of Campanario that is in the Concelho de Camara De Lobos. This is next to Ribeira Grande. Mother said that her earlier family lived in Ribeira Grande however before the great landslide there they located in Campanario. There was a great landslide at Ribeira Grande and perhaps you may have difficulty find some records. I had that problem with Campanrio because of a great fire that destroyed the church and records. In the Arquivo book I did find several Inacio de Abreu married to Maria Joaquina in 1814. I would suggest that if you donot locate your relations in Ribeira Grande, try some of the nearby parishes. The parrish in Companario is Sao Bras or Braz. The notation of the book that the Arquivo were able to locate the above mentioned Inacio is --Book 314 page 154 vo. The Arquivo Historica Da Madeira book is the indice of the registry of concelhos and there are several. There may be one on Ribeira Grande. Sub title--Indice dos registos de Casamentos do Concelho de Camara de Lobos 1564 - 1893. My d' Abreu's connected to Gonsalves, Faria, Moniz, Fernandes, and Silva. Hope that you are successful in your search and look in neighboring parishes as well. Margaret Campos ----- Original Message ----- From: <BlueGoose6@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. Her > father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all I > have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage license > of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents > were then. > > Julie Gerren > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I believe that I purchased my copy from the Nassa site. Try that site because they offer other books as well. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > Dear List > > I see that a lot of people are referring lately to a book called "Arquivo > Historica da Madeira". Does anybody have any idea where I can get a copy of > this? > > Kind regards, > Marcia Bezuidenhout > South Africa > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:36 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > > Dear Julie Gerren: > > My grandfather was Joao d'Abreu Faria. As you know, Faria was the name of > his wifes family. I searched the book ARQUIVO HISTORICA DA MADEIRA and to > the area of Campanario that is in the Concelho de Camara De Lobos. This is > next to Ribeira Grande. Mother said that her earlier family lived in > Ribeira Grande however before the great landslide there they located in > Campanario. There was a great landslide at Ribeira Grande and perhaps you > may have difficulty find some records. I had that problem with Campanrio > because of a great fire that destroyed the church and records. > > In the Arquivo book I did find several Inacio de Abreu married to Maria > Joaquina in 1814. I would suggest that if you donot locate your relations > in Ribeira Grande, try some of the nearby parishes. The parrish in > Companario is Sao Bras or Braz. > The notation of the book that the Arquivo were able to locate the above > mentioned Inacio is --Book 314 page 154 vo. > > The Arquivo Historica Da Madeira book is the indice of the registry of > concelhos and there are several. There may be one on Ribeira Grande. Sub > title--Indice dos registos de Casamentos do Concelho de Camara de Lobos > 1564 - 1893. > > My d' Abreu's connected to Gonsalves, Faria, Moniz, Fernandes, and Silva. > > Hope that you are successful in your search and look in neighboring parishes > as well. > > Margaret Campos > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <BlueGoose6@aol.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > > > > My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. > Her > > father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all > I > > have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage > license > > of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents > > were then. > > > > Julie Gerren > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear List, I too have D'Abreu on Madeira, mostly from Ponto do Sol in the late 1800s, but as I have move further back, family is also located in Ribeira Brava, Camara do Lobos, Lugar de Baixo, Serra da Agua, S. Vicente. Tabua etc... In doing further research the first known d'Abreu to the island is Beatris back in the late 1400s. I have participated in the National Geographic DNA project and up loaded my results to the Madeira project. I have not checked it for awhile but at last look I was the only one reporting the E3B haplogroup. I found this very interesting as this is the mid east, southern med and northern Africa strain. I have a great number of names from the island, to numerous to name. But if anyone is interested in sharing or thinks I can help them let me know, I have gone back as far as 1558. Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marcia & Roland Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:16 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira Dear List I see that a lot of people are referring lately to a book called "Arquivo Historica da Madeira". Does anybody have any idea where I can get a copy of this? Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:36 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira Dear Julie Gerren: My grandfather was Joao d'Abreu Faria. As you know, Faria was the name of his wifes family. I searched the book ARQUIVO HISTORICA DA MADEIRA and to the area of Campanario that is in the Concelho de Camara De Lobos. This is next to Ribeira Grande. Mother said that her earlier family lived in Ribeira Grande however before the great landslide there they located in Campanario. There was a great landslide at Ribeira Grande and perhaps you may have difficulty find some records. I had that problem with Campanrio because of a great fire that destroyed the church and records. In the Arquivo book I did find several Inacio de Abreu married to Maria Joaquina in 1814. I would suggest that if you donot locate your relations in Ribeira Grande, try some of the nearby parishes. The parrish in Companario is Sao Bras or Braz. The notation of the book that the Arquivo were able to locate the above mentioned Inacio is --Book 314 page 154 vo. The Arquivo Historica Da Madeira book is the indice of the registry of concelhos and there are several. There may be one on Ribeira Grande. Sub title--Indice dos registos de Casamentos do Concelho de Camara de Lobos 1564 - 1893. My d' Abreu's connected to Gonsalves, Faria, Moniz, Fernandes, and Silva. Hope that you are successful in your search and look in neighboring parishes as well. Margaret Campos ----- Original Message ----- From: <BlueGoose6@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. Her > father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all I > have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage license > of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents > were then. > > Julie Gerren > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
-----Original Message----- From: Marcia & Roland [mailto:roland1@wol.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:16 PM To: 'prt-madeira@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira Dear List I see that a lot of people are referring lately to a book called "Arquivo Historica da Madeira". Does anybody have any idea where I can get a copy of this? Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:36 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira Dear Julie Gerren: My grandfather was Joao d'Abreu Faria. As you know, Faria was the name of his wifes family. I searched the book ARQUIVO HISTORICA DA MADEIRA and to the area of Campanario that is in the Concelho de Camara De Lobos. This is next to Ribeira Grande. Mother said that her earlier family lived in Ribeira Grande however before the great landslide there they located in Campanario. There was a great landslide at Ribeira Grande and perhaps you may have difficulty find some records. I had that problem with Campanrio because of a great fire that destroyed the church and records. In the Arquivo book I did find several Inacio de Abreu married to Maria Joaquina in 1814. I would suggest that if you donot locate your relations in Ribeira Grande, try some of the nearby parishes. The parrish in Companario is Sao Bras or Braz. The notation of the book that the Arquivo were able to locate the above mentioned Inacio is --Book 314 page 154 vo. The Arquivo Historica Da Madeira book is the indice of the registry of concelhos and there are several. There may be one on Ribeira Grande. Sub title--Indice dos registos de Casamentos do Concelho de Camara de Lobos 1564 - 1893. My d' Abreu's connected to Gonsalves, Faria, Moniz, Fernandes, and Silva. Hope that you are successful in your search and look in neighboring parishes as well. Margaret Campos ----- Original Message ----- From: <BlueGoose6@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. Her > father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all I > have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage license > of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents > were then. > > Julie Gerren > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear List I see that a lot of people are referring lately to a book called "Arquivo Historica da Madeira". Does anybody have any idea where I can get a copy of this? Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:36 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira Dear Julie Gerren: My grandfather was Joao d'Abreu Faria. As you know, Faria was the name of his wifes family. I searched the book ARQUIVO HISTORICA DA MADEIRA and to the area of Campanario that is in the Concelho de Camara De Lobos. This is next to Ribeira Grande. Mother said that her earlier family lived in Ribeira Grande however before the great landslide there they located in Campanario. There was a great landslide at Ribeira Grande and perhaps you may have difficulty find some records. I had that problem with Campanrio because of a great fire that destroyed the church and records. In the Arquivo book I did find several Inacio de Abreu married to Maria Joaquina in 1814. I would suggest that if you donot locate your relations in Ribeira Grande, try some of the nearby parishes. The parrish in Companario is Sao Bras or Braz. The notation of the book that the Arquivo were able to locate the above mentioned Inacio is --Book 314 page 154 vo. The Arquivo Historica Da Madeira book is the indice of the registry of concelhos and there are several. There may be one on Ribeira Grande. Sub title--Indice dos registos de Casamentos do Concelho de Camara de Lobos 1564 - 1893. My d' Abreu's connected to Gonsalves, Faria, Moniz, Fernandes, and Silva. Hope that you are successful in your search and look in neighboring parishes as well. Margaret Campos ----- Original Message ----- From: <BlueGoose6@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. Her > father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all I > have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage license > of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents > were then. > > Julie Gerren > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I believe that since late 1800's Ribeira Brava was taken from Ponta de Sol and a made a Concelho. Today (and probably since then) Campanário is parte of Ribeira Brava. If true does this help? José -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: September 19, 2006 2:36 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira Dear Julie Gerren: My grandfather was Joao d'Abreu Faria. As you know, Faria was the name of his wifes family. I searched the book ARQUIVO HISTORICA DA MADEIRA and to the area of Campanario that is in the Concelho de Camara De Lobos. This is next to Ribeira Grande. Mother said that her earlier family lived in Ribeira Grande however before the great landslide there they located in Campanario. There was a great landslide at Ribeira Grande and perhaps you may have difficulty find some records. I had that problem with Campanrio because of a great fire that destroyed the church and records. In the Arquivo book I did find several Inacio de Abreu married to Maria Joaquina in 1814. I would suggest that if you donot locate your relations in Ribeira Grande, try some of the nearby parishes. The parrish in Companario is Sao Bras or Braz. The notation of the book that the Arquivo were able to locate the above mentioned Inacio is --Book 314 page 154 vo. The Arquivo Historica Da Madeira book is the indice of the registry of concelhos and there are several. There may be one on Ribeira Grande. Sub title--Indice dos registos de Casamentos do Concelho de Camara de Lobos 1564 - 1893. My d' Abreu's connected to Gonsalves, Faria, Moniz, Fernandes, and Silva. Hope that you are successful in your search and look in neighboring parishes as well. Margaret Campos ----- Original Message ----- From: <BlueGoose6@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. Her > father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all I > have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage license > of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents > were then. > > Julie Gerren > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My grandfather was Manuel Faria and his brother was Joao Faria. His mother was Aniceta de Jesus. My grandmother was not married to the father of the two boys. He was the landlord in more ways than one. I also have another name for his mother. One was on his wedding certificate and one was on his immigration record but according to my mother who was born in Madeira her grandmother was Aniceta de Jesus. The other name is Ernestina Amalia de Jesus. Here is my uncle's birth certificate. If someone can translate this I would appreciate it. Conservatoria do Registo Civil D e Ponta Do Sol Certidao de Narrativa Completa De Registo De Nascimento Certifice que no livro de assentos de nascimento arquivado nesta Conservatoria, referente ao ano de 1914, , , , existe um Registo n. 71 do qual consta que: No dia vinte e um de Janeiro de mil novecentos e catorze, na frequesia d e Ribeira Brava, do concelho de Ponta do Sol Nasceu um individuo do sexo masculine, a quem fol posto o nome complete de MANUEL FARIA JUNIOR , filho Manuel Faria, no estado de casado Natural de frequesia da Ribeira Brava, E de Maria da Conceicao, no estado de casada, natural de frequesia da Ribeira Brava, e residente s. no sitio do Lombo de Sao Joao E de Aniceta de Jesus E materno de Manuel Inacio e Abreu E de Maria Augusta A margem do registo constam os averbamentos seguintes: ( Nada consta)
Dear Julie Gerren: My grandfather was Joao d'Abreu Faria. As you know, Faria was the name of his wifes family. I searched the book ARQUIVO HISTORICA DA MADEIRA and to the area of Campanario that is in the Concelho de Camara De Lobos. This is next to Ribeira Grande. Mother said that her earlier family lived in Ribeira Grande however before the great landslide there they located in Campanario. There was a great landslide at Ribeira Grande and perhaps you may have difficulty find some records. I had that problem with Campanrio because of a great fire that destroyed the church and records. In the Arquivo book I did find several Inacio de Abreu married to Maria Joaquina in 1814. I would suggest that if you donot locate your relations in Ribeira Grande, try some of the nearby parishes. The parrish in Companario is Sao Bras or Braz. The notation of the book that the Arquivo were able to locate the above mentioned Inacio is --Book 314 page 154 vo. The Arquivo Historica Da Madeira book is the indice of the registry of concelhos and there are several. There may be one on Ribeira Grande. Sub title--Indice dos registos de Casamentos do Concelho de Camara de Lobos 1564 - 1893. My d' Abreu's connected to Gonsalves, Faria, Moniz, Fernandes, and Silva. Hope that you are successful in your search and look in neighboring parishes as well. Margaret Campos ----- Original Message ----- From: <BlueGoose6@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira > My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. Her > father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all I > have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage license > of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents > were then. > > Julie Gerren > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Great!! Good Luck Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- > From: Marcia & Roland <roland1@wol.co.za> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Serena > Date: Segunda-feira, 18 de Setembro de 2006 17:39 > > Dear List > > > > I am so excited with the little bit of information which I found today that > I just had to share it with you. > > > > I found out from my mom where my great-grandparents are buried. They are > indeed buried in a Family Plot at Stellawood Cemetery in Durban, South > Africa. > > > > I telephoned Stellawood Cemetery this morning and spoke to a very nice > gentleman who gave me all the information I needed. > > > > I finally have this information from the Cemetery's records:- > > > > Lawrence Serena - +/- 6 months old, male, buried on 8 December 1943 - he > therefore probably would have been born around June/July 1943; > > > > Marie Loudres Serena - 17 years old, female, buried on 8 March 1948 - she > would have been born around 1931; > > > > Marcial Serena (my great-grandfather) - 58 years old, male, buried on 1 > April 1959; > > > > Maria Clara Serena (my great-grandmother) - 79 years old, female, buried on > 7 January 1985. I know that Luis mentioned that the "Calderia" was perhaps > mis-spelt on my great-grandfather's Death Notice which was written in my > great-grandmother's own hand but now this casts a slightly different light > on her second name because in the Burial Register her name is recorded as > "Clara" - so now, I think that there is a possibility that her maiden name > was "Caldeira"!!!! Only time will tell. > > > > The spellings are all according to the Burial Register that the cemetery > holds. > > > > My search is now on for my great-grandparents' Marriage Certificate and > their Death Certificates as well as Lawrence's Birth and Death Certificates > and Marie Loudres Birth and Death Certificates, which will all be here in > South Africa (Birth Certificates will probably only be found in Portugal - > as I have already mentioned before). > > > > So, I sent someone to the Department of Home Affairs which is near me at my > place of employment. They informed me that I need identity numbers (this is > absolutely ridiculous) - but I don't think that my great-grandparents would > have had identity numbers if they never naturalized in South Africa, and > Lawrence and Marie were probably far too young to have identity numbers. > > > > In any event, I e-mailed quite a few people at the Head Office of the > Department of Home Affairs in Pretoria and requested their assistance - > surely somehow these Certificates can be traced through the SURNAME. > > > > I await responses from them. I hope I won't hit a dead end again. I will > NOT give up. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Marcia Bezuidenhout > > South Africa > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Dear List I am so excited with the little bit of information which I found today that I just had to share it with you. I found out from my mom where my great-grandparents are buried. They are indeed buried in a Family Plot at Stellawood Cemetery in Durban, South Africa. I telephoned Stellawood Cemetery this morning and spoke to a very nice gentleman who gave me all the information I needed. I finally have this information from the Cemetery's records:- Lawrence Serena - +/- 6 months old, male, buried on 8 December 1943 - he therefore probably would have been born around June/July 1943; Marie Loudres Serena - 17 years old, female, buried on 8 March 1948 - she would have been born around 1931; Marcial Serena (my great-grandfather) - 58 years old, male, buried on 1 April 1959; Maria Clara Serena (my great-grandmother) - 79 years old, female, buried on 7 January 1985. I know that Luis mentioned that the "Calderia" was perhaps mis-spelt on my great-grandfather's Death Notice which was written in my great-grandmother's own hand but now this casts a slightly different light on her second name because in the Burial Register her name is recorded as "Clara" - so now, I think that there is a possibility that her maiden name was "Caldeira"!!!! Only time will tell. The spellings are all according to the Burial Register that the cemetery holds. My search is now on for my great-grandparents' Marriage Certificate and their Death Certificates as well as Lawrence's Birth and Death Certificates and Marie Loudres Birth and Death Certificates, which will all be here in South Africa (Birth Certificates will probably only be found in Portugal - as I have already mentioned before). So, I sent someone to the Department of Home Affairs which is near me at my place of employment. They informed me that I need identity numbers (this is absolutely ridiculous) - but I don't think that my great-grandparents would have had identity numbers if they never naturalized in South Africa, and Lawrence and Marie were probably far too young to have identity numbers. In any event, I e-mailed quite a few people at the Head Office of the Department of Home Affairs in Pretoria and requested their assistance - surely somehow these Certificates can be traced through the SURNAME. I await responses from them. I hope I won't hit a dead end again. I will NOT give up. Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira
Sorry Luis K But we really seem to be having problems with the text portions. Iyou're your message relating to "Mamazinga-MamazinHa-Maezinga-MaezinHa, Little Mother" - again with no text in the body of the message (unless you only meant to send the info in the "Subject" section). Thank you - at least I now know what the word means - I was really hoping that it was some cryptic clue for me. Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of luis_k_w@clix.pt Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:35 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] mamazinga=mamazinHa; maezinga=maezinHa; LITTLE MOTHER. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Luis, My links are active and the text is typed which is far more legible. I will try and forward again, somehow in the forwarding process something went awry with the links. Because of the length of the message there was a significant delay in getting the message posted. I will try and send the links to each Tomo separately later today. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:45 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira The links to the books no longer work. Nesos is the best option right now but it is in portuguese so if anyone needs help just shoot an e-mail to the list. Luis Beal Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Im forwarding this email in response to bpittas email requesting info on the book. I received this email via another forum I belong to. The manuscript is also available at NESOS (www.nesos.net ) but is in script which is often difficult to decipher. Hope this is of help to all. Janette _____ From: saudades-sefarad@yahoogroups.com [mailto:saudades-sefarad@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlmedeiros2004 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:46 AM To: saudades-sefarad@yahoogroups.com Subject: [saudades-sefarad] Ilha da Madeira Nobiliário da Ilha da Madeira>> por Henrique Henriques de Noronha>> >> Recopiado, diretamente do original (que existe na Biblioteca Municipal de Funchal), por João José Maria Rodrigues de Oliveira, médico de Funchal (Ilha da Madeira) a téor, pela ordem exata como está escrito no dito original, com indicação dos respectivos folios numerados; recopiado no anno de 1947.>> >> TOMO I uiares.htm> Aguiares, dradasdoarco.htm> Andradas do Arco, dradas_por_femea.htm> Andradas (por linha feminina), ouguias.htm> Atouguias, ciaiolis.htm> Acciaiolis, ciaiolis_por_femea.htm> Acciaiolis (por linha feminina), il.htm> Amil, ttencourts.htm> Bettencourts, ttencourts_sas.htm> Bettencourts Sás, itos_oliveiras.htm> Britos Oliveiras, rengueis_de_leminhana.htm> Berengueis de Leminhana, rros.htm> Barros, maras.htm> Câmaras, braes.htm> Cabraes, stas_atouguias.htm> Costas Atouguias, rreas.htm> Corrêas, rreas_andradas.htm> Corrêas Andradas, rvalhaes.htm> Carvalhaes, stros_ornellas.htm> Castros Ornellas, rdosos_de_gaula.htm> Cardosos de Gaula, ntos.htm> Cantos e utos_cardosos.htm> Coutos Cardosos.>> >> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear Luis K I have again received a message from you with no text. I'm not sure if there is perhaps a problem with the e-mail system that I am not receiving your text. Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of luis_k_w@clix.pt Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:10 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Address Listings ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear Luis Thank you so much for your response. You don't need to tell me about these web page translators - you are right, they are indeed very sad. Most times I think they just confuse people even more. Thank you for the key words which you supplied me with. This will most certainly be useful and thanks for letting me know that posting something on the list to be translated would probably be met with optimism by the list members. I just have one question though, and would appreciate it if someone could assist me with the word "Mamazinga" (the word we used) or "Mae Zinga". Mamazinga was the name by which we all new my great-grandmother in the years that she was alive (I was 12 when she died in 1985). Is there any special meaning in this word and what does it mean? Assistance would be appreciated. Thanks again for all your wonderful assistance. Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:51 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira The best thing is to learn some key portuguese words that will help you in your research. I know of no place that will translate from one language to another in a decent form, unless you pay a real person to do it. I have personally tried the online web page translators and it was pretty sad. One important thing to know is that in portuguese everything, from living to innanimate objects, has a gender they are either male or female. For something to be an "it" it has to be unknown, or not yet understood. As a rule any word that ends in "a" is female: amiga, irma, filha, mesa, rua..., and any word that ends in "o" is male: filho, vermelho, joelho... There are exceptions to the rule, of course, and sometimes you will find words like mae, pai, arvore...that end in either a or o. The key to figure out gender is right before the word: a mae (female), o pai (male), aquela arvore (female). Now for genealogy research look for these key words: Filha - daughter Filho - son Mae - Mother Pai - Father Avo' - Grandmother Avo^ - Grandfather (the ^ is on top of the o) Materno - maternal (you'll see stuff like avo' materna- maternal grandmother) Paterno - Paternal Pais - Parents Avo's - Grandparents Neta de - Granddaughter of Neto de - Grandson of Igreja - Church Paroquia - Parish Freguesia - Parish/ subdivision of the area Nasceu - Was born Morreu - Died Casou - Married Sexo - Sex Feminino - Female Masculino - Male Months of the year: Janeiro, Fevereiro, Marco, Abril, Maio, Junho, Julho, Agosto, Setembro, Outubro, Novembro, Dezembro. I would say knowing these will help you pinpoint where the info you need is on any record. Whenever you find a record you think may be important but you are not sure because of words you cannot understand just post it on the list and someone might be able to help translate it. It will be easier to learn some of the language than to spend time looking for translators as most records you will find will be in Portuguese, of course. Good luck, Luis Beal Marcia & Roland <roland1@wol.co.za> wrote: Dear List I also noticed that the Nesos e-books are in Portuguese, and this unfortunately does not help me as I do not speak the language. Does anyone know where I can get English translations from? Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Vieira, Serena, De Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:45 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira The links to the books no longer work. Nesos is the best option right now but it is in portuguese so if anyone needs help just shoot an e-mail to the list. Luis Beal Janette Chun wrote: Im forwarding this email in response to bpittas email requesting info on the book. I received this email via another forum I belong to. The manuscript is also available at NESOS (www.nesos.net ) but is in script which is often difficult to decipher. Hope this is of help to all. Janette _____ From: saudades-sefarad@yahoogroups.com [mailto:saudades-sefarad@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlmedeiros2004 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:46 AM To: saudades-sefarad@yahoogroups.com Subject: [saudades-sefarad] Ilha da Madeira Nobiliário da Ilha da Madeira>> por Henrique Henriques de Noronha>> >> Recopiado, diretamente do original (que existe na Biblioteca Municipal de Funchal), por João José Maria Rodrigues de Oliveira, médico de Funchal (Ilha da Madeira) a téor, pela ordem exata como está escrito no dito original, com indicação dos respectivos folios numerados; recopiado no anno de 1947.>> >> TOMO I uiares.htm> Aguiares, dradasdoarco.htm> Andradas do Arco, dradas_por_femea.htm> Andradas (por linha feminina), ouguias.htm> Atouguias, ciaiolis.htm> Acciaiolis, ciaiolis_por_femea.htm> Acciaiolis (por linha feminina), il.htm> Amil, ttencourts.htm> Bettencourts, ttencourts_sas.htm> Bettencourts Sás, itos_oliveiras.htm> Britos Oliveiras, rengueis_de_leminhana.htm> Berengueis de Leminhana, rros.htm> Barros, maras.htm> Câmaras, braes.htm> Cabraes, stas_atouguias.htm> Costas Atouguias, rreas.htm> Corrêas, rreas_andradas.htm> Corrêas Andradas, rvalhaes.htm> Carvalhaes, stros_ornellas.htm> Castros Ornellas, rdosos_de_gaula.htm> Cardosos de Gaula, ntos.htm> Cantos e utos_cardosos.htm> Coutos Cardosos.>> >> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. 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Dear Al Thanks for your information. Perhaps there is a relationship somewhere along the line, but at this stage, the information I have supplied is all I have. As I said to Julie, I will continue my research. If I come up with anything on your relatives I will most certainly let you know. Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gacugenetree@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:41 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira Hi, I also got family from Ribeira Brava, Madeira with the name D' Abreu. Maria D'encarnacao b. 1850, her parents were Antonio D'Abreu and Jesuina Rosa. Maria married Manuel Pereira around 1866 and they moved to Hawaii in 1884 aboard the ship Daca. They lived in Hilo Hawaii. Any relationship to your D'Abreu's? Al ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear Luis K I got an e-mail from you but there is no text contained in the body. Thanks Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of luis_k_w@clix.pt Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:28 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Address Listings ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear Julie Thanks for that information. Unfortunately the names I gave you are all I have at this stage. Even though my mom recalls that my great-grandmother's mother's name was Mathilde, I still don't have a positive link to a surname there. According to my mother as well, my great-grandmother's mother (Mathilde) died while she was a young girl. According to my mom my great-grandmother had a step-brother but does not know if there were any other siblings. Unfortunately she cannot remember the name of the step-brother except that he came to Lourenco Marques and he had a restaurant. According to the Death Notice which I found in the archives here in SA for my great-grandfather (Marceal Vieira Serena), all my great-grandmother had written in the space for his parents was Antonio as his father and Maria as his mother. This obviously does not help me due to the fact that there are so many "Antonio"s and "Maria"s. There is an embargo on documents that are less than 20 years old in the South African archives so they are therefore not available for public research. My great-grandmother died in 1985 so the embargo on her archival documentation should have ceased last year. To date, there doesn't seem to have been any information placed on NAAIRS relating to her. I will have to contact the National Archives myself and see if they hold any information for her. I have just recently joined the Genealogical Society of South Africa who have their meetings and do a lot of their research at the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (LDS) in Silverton Road here in Durban. As soon as my application is complete and once I am able to get access to their records, hopefully I will get some more information (perhaps birth certificates, marriage certificates and the like). Until then, my quest continues. I will not give up, no matter that my great-grandmother's children appear to want to hide so much information from us. Kind regards, Marcia Bezuidenhout South Africa Researching: Serena, Vieira, De'Abreu, Caldeira -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BlueGoose6@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:50 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Families of Madeira My grandmother's name was Maria Conceicao D'Abreu. She was born 1887. Her father was Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. That is all I have. I do plan to go to the LDS and order the film for the marriage license of my great-grandfather and ggmother. I will know more who their parents were then. Julie Gerren ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message