Hi Mary (2nd attempt) There isn't any DAMIAO ELEUTERIO PESTANA in the on-line phone book (www.118.pt). There only are about 100 PESTANA in the Lisbon phone book, but none in the PRAÇA DA ILHA DO FAIAL (Pc I Faial, for short). L-1 could stand for Lisboa-1 (there were no Post Code numbers in the 60's like nowadays). Nowadays it is: 1000-168 LISBOA. I think the phone numbers in Lisbon had SIX figures and not five, in the 60's. Could 5.03.67 be a DATE? Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- Hello everyone: I recently found what appears to be a name and address from Lisbon, 1969. The person named was a cousin of my late father. My question is if someone out there can make sense of the address and/or telephone number. I had thought Damiao stayed on Madeira but the note on this card indicates he was in Lisbon. Damiao Eleuterio Pestana 3.3 Pc 1 Faial L-1 (or 6-1) 5.03.67 It is doubtful Damiao is still alive, though not impossible. If he is, he would probably be 90+ years old. I am always hopeful as some years back I did find another cousin who was 89. We visited and corresponded for 2 more years until she passed away at 91. Thank you, Mary da Silva Frost ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message O Clix quebrou mais uma barreira! ADSL até 20 Mb + Telefone livre de assinatura por apenas € 34,9/mês Acabe de vez com os € 15 da assinatura telefónica! Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt

I do not know what the 3.3 line means athough it does not look like an address to me. The last line 5.03.67 looks like a date 5 March 67. Phone numbers in the Lisbon area have 7 digits like 245-2777. What exactly does it say in the note before the bit you sent us? Luis Beal tiamaria <tiamaria@frostdesign.com> wrote: Hello everyone: I recently found what appears to be a name and address from Lisbon, 1969. The person named was a cousin of my late father. My question is if someone out there can make sense of the address and/or telephone number. I had thought Damiao stayed on Madeira but the note on this card indicates he was in Lisbon. Damiao Eleuterio Pestana 3.3 Pc 1 Faial L-1 (or 6-1) 5.03.67 It is doubtful Damiao is still alive, though not impossible. If he is, he would probably be 90+ years old. I am always hopeful as some years back I did find another cousin who was 89. We visited and corresponded for 2 more years until she passed away at 91. Thank you, Mary da Silva Frost ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

Hello everyone: I recently found what appears to be a name and address from Lisbon, 1969. The person named was a cousin of my late father. My question is if someone out there can make sense of the address and/or telephone number. I had thought Damiao stayed on Madeira but the note on this card indicates he was in Lisbon. Damiao Eleuterio Pestana 3.3 Pc 1 Faial L-1 (or 6-1) 5.03.67 It is doubtful Damiao is still alive, though not impossible. If he is, he would probably be 90+ years old. I am always hopeful as some years back I did find another cousin who was 89. We visited and corresponded for 2 more years until she passed away at 91. Thank you, Mary da Silva Frost

Hi Luis K W Wow! Bet you were "jump'n with joy," when you located that document. I'll have to check out the NEPS site. I have always been attracted to the Ponte da Lima and Minho area of Portugal. My Gomes Abreu line is questionable according to Manuel Abranches Soveral... I need to take a second look at it, and figure out where I went wrong. The Gomes de Abreu line has always been a complicated one for me , just too many Rui Gomes Abreu... What are the names of the bride and groom that you located? Luis, have you had your DNA tested? I did the mtDNA with results of H1 haplogroup, and HVR 1 and HVR2 mutations... pretty interesting. H1 represents 30 % of the H haplogroup and 46% of Iberia. It's as I already knew about my maternal ancestry. I was hoping to match others residing outside the USA... only time and continual world wide testing will establish that... so far no other match has been established. Well take care, and stay in touch... With your knowledge of Portuguese research techniques, you can be a "fountain of inforamtion," for those of us thousand of miles away! Pat (Prima, I think we still are cousins)... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis K W" <luis_k_w@clix.pt> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Pat, Thanks for the words you said in my behalf. It's true, I do also have Abreu ancestry. I had been looking for the marriage (in 1702) of a couple of ancestors for 2 or 3 years, when I found the couple in a NEPS site (of the Univ. of Minho)! I was very lucky. There wasn't any other couple listed in that century! It was hard to find this document because the couple got married in none of the parishes where they or their parents lived. They went to a third parish, and I might took the whole life and never find this document. That's how I (finally) found that the Bride was a (Gomes de) Abreu, from Ponte de Lima. Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- > From: papagaia2 <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Date: Sábado, 14 de Outubro de 2006 0:56 > > Lou, > You're more than right... Luis K.W. does have a right to his views.... If I > didn't think that I wouldn't have added my "two cents." ;--)... > Most likely we do share common ancestry... All is well at this end hope the > same for you and your family. > Pat > p.s. Luis has Abreu ancestry also... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Pat, > > > > My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right > > to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our > > Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am > > convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well > > with you. > > > > Lou > > > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > > will never know" > > > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Hi Margaret, > > Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I > > have > > had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on > > > > genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our > > Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved > > in > > finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent > > in > > a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our > > history...Luis > > and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family > > elected to > > remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... > > Proud to be an American > > Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. > > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> > > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > > >> Dear Lou Abreu: > >> > >> You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of > > the > >> members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that > > because > >> of > >> the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. > > Many > >> people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he > > use > >> the > >> site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > >> > >> Margaret > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > >> To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > >> > >>> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal > >>> views????? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W > >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM > >>> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > >>> Dear Margaret, > >>> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... > >>> > >>> Our point of views are a little bit different. > >>> > >>> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover > >>> Angola > >>> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight > >>> back. > >>> The war lasted for over 12 years. > >>> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the > > Portuguese > >>> were winning this war. > >>> > >>> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its > > colonies > >>> in > >>> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). > >>> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most > >>> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies > > away, > >>> to > >>> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before > > called > >>> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed > > to > >>> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. > >>> > >>> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the > > colonies" > >>> was > >>> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt > > they > >>> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, > > and > >>> - > >>> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that > > were > >>> supporting the local guerrillas. > >>> > >>> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - > >>> i.e. > >>> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. > > Most > >>> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, > > etc. > >>> > >>> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor > >>> their > >>> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the > >>> war > >>> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! > >>> > >>> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from > > Saigon), > >>> we > >>> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government > >>> officials, the documents, files, etc. > >>> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in > >>> Lisbon. > >>> > >>> Luis K W > >>> Lisboa-Portugal > >>> ---------- > >>> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> > >>> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 > >>> > > >>> > Dear Marcia and Roland: > >>> > > >>> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in > >>> Portugal. > >>> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese > >>> government. > >>> I > >>> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they > > are > >>> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early > >>> "70's. > >>> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had > >>> opportunities > >>> > there that they had to leave behind. > >>> > > >>> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took > >>> valuable > >>> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. > >>> Housing > >>> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in > >>> Madeira. > >>> > > >>> > Best of wishes > >>> > Margaret > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> > >>> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM > >>> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Dear List > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in > >>> > Mozambique > >>> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that > > my > >>> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal > > and > >>> settled > >>> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called > > The > >>> Lido. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Kind regards, > >>> > > > >>> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout > >>> > > > >>> > > South Africa > >>> > > > >>> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Luis, Luis Beal luis_k_w@clix.pt wrote: Dear Luis Beal Try http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.htm For the Azores http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/acores.htm Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- Luis, Can you give us the link to the NEPS site? Thanks, Luis Luis K W luis_k_w@clix.pt wrote: Pat, Thanks for the words you said in my behalf. It's true, I do also have Abreu ancestry. I had been looking for the marriage (in 1702) of a couple of ancestors for 2 or 3 years, when I found the couple in a NEPS site (of the Univ. of Minho)! I was very lucky. There wasn't any other couple listed in that century! It was hard to find this document because the couple got married in none of the parishes where they or their parents lived. They went to a third parish, and I might took the whole life and never find this document. That's how I (finally) found that the Bride was a (Gomes de) Abreu, from Ponte de Lima. Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- From: papagaia2 To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Date: Sábado, 14 de Outubro de 2006 0:56 Lou, You're more than right... Luis K.W. does have a right to his views.... If I didn't think that I wouldn't have added my "two cents." ;--)... Most likely we do share common ancestry... All is well at this end hope the same for you and your family. Pat p.s. Luis has Abreu ancestry also... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Pat, My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well with you. Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Hi Margaret, Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I have had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved in finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent in a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our history...Luis and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family elected to remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... Proud to be an American Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. Pat Silva Corbera ---- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Dear Lou Abreu: You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of the members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that because of the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. Many people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he use the site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal views????? -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Dear Margaret, I don't know if I like what you wrote.... Our point of views are a little bit different. According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover Angola AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight back. The war lasted for over 12 years. And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the Portuguese were winning this war. Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its colonies in Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies away, to their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before called "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed to organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the colonies" was a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt they were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, and - why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that were supporting the local guerrillas. So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - i.e. WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. Most came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, etc. And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor their ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the war took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from Saigon), we had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government officials, the documents, files, etc. That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in Lisbon. Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- From: Margaret To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 Dear Marcia and Roland: The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in Portugal. Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese government. I would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they are available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early "70's. They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had opportunities there that they had to leave behind. Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took valuable information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. Housing was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in Madeira. Best of wishes Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia & Roland" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Dear List Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in Mozambique (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that my great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal and settled in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called The Lido. Thanks. 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Dear Luis Beal Try http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.htm For the Azores http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/acores.htm Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- Luis, Can you give us the link to the NEPS site? Thanks, Luis Luis K W luis_k_w@clix.pt wrote: Pat, Thanks for the words you said in my behalf. It's true, I do also have Abreu ancestry. I had been looking for the marriage (in 1702) of a couple of ancestors for 2 or 3 years, when I found the couple in a NEPS site (of the Univ. of Minho)! I was very lucky. There wasn't any other couple listed in that century! It was hard to find this document because the couple got married in none of the parishes where they or their parents lived. They went to a third parish, and I might took the whole life and never find this document. That's how I (finally) found that the Bride was a (Gomes de) Abreu, from Ponte de Lima. Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- From: papagaia2 To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Date: Sábado, 14 de Outubro de 2006 0:56 Lou, You're more than right... Luis K.W. does have a right to his views.... If I didn't think that I wouldn't have added my "two cents." ;--)... Most likely we do share common ancestry... All is well at this end hope the same for you and your family. Pat p.s. Luis has Abreu ancestry also... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Pat, My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well with you. Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Hi Margaret, Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I have had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved in finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent in a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our history...Luis and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family elected to remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... Proud to be an American Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. Pat Silva Corbera ---- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Dear Lou Abreu: You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of the members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that because of the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. Many people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he use the site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal views????? -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Dear Margaret, I don't know if I like what you wrote.... Our point of views are a little bit different. According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover Angola AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight back. The war lasted for over 12 years. And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the Portuguese were winning this war. Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its colonies in Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies away, to their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before called "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed to organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the colonies" was a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt they were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, and - why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that were supporting the local guerrillas. So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - i.e. WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. Most came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, etc. And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor their ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the war took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from Saigon), we had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government officials, the documents, files, etc. That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in Lisbon. Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- From: Margaret To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 Dear Marcia and Roland: The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in Portugal. Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese government. I would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they are available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early "70's. They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had opportunities there that they had to leave behind. Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took valuable information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. Housing was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in Madeira. Best of wishes Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia & Roland" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Dear List Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in Mozambique (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that my great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal and settled in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called The Lido. Thanks. 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Luis, Can you give us the link to the NEPS site? Thanks, Luis Luis K W <luis_k_w@clix.pt> wrote: Pat, Thanks for the words you said in my behalf. It's true, I do also have Abreu ancestry. I had been looking for the marriage (in 1702) of a couple of ancestors for 2 or 3 years, when I found the couple in a NEPS site (of the Univ. of Minho)! I was very lucky. There wasn't any other couple listed in that century! It was hard to find this document because the couple got married in none of the parishes where they or their parents lived. They went to a third parish, and I might took the whole life and never find this document. That's how I (finally) found that the Bride was a (Gomes de) Abreu, from Ponte de Lima. Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- > From: papagaia2 > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Date: Sábado, 14 de Outubro de 2006 0:56 > > Lou, > You're more than right... Luis K.W. does have a right to his views.... If I > didn't think that I wouldn't have added my "two cents." ;--)... > Most likely we do share common ancestry... All is well at this end hope the > same for you and your family. > Pat > p.s. Luis has Abreu ancestry also... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Pat, > > > > My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right > > to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our > > Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am > > convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well > > with you. > > > > Lou > > > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > > will never know" > > > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Hi Margaret, > > Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I > > have > > had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on > > > > genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our > > Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved > > in > > finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent > > in > > a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our > > history...Luis > > and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family > > elected to > > remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... > > Proud to be an American > > Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. > > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: "Margaret" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > > >> Dear Lou Abreu: > >> > >> You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of > > the > >> members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that > > because > >> of > >> the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. > > Many > >> people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he > > use > >> the > >> site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > >> > >> Margaret > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Lou Abreu" > >> To: ; > >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > >> > >>> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal > >>> views????? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W > >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM > >>> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > >>> Dear Margaret, > >>> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... > >>> > >>> Our point of views are a little bit different. > >>> > >>> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover > >>> Angola > >>> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight > >>> back. > >>> The war lasted for over 12 years. > >>> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the > > Portuguese > >>> were winning this war. > >>> > >>> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its > > colonies > >>> in > >>> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). > >>> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most > >>> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies > > away, > >>> to > >>> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before > > called > >>> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed > > to > >>> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. > >>> > >>> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the > > colonies" > >>> was > >>> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt > > they > >>> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, > > and > >>> - > >>> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that > > were > >>> supporting the local guerrillas. > >>> > >>> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - > >>> i.e. > >>> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. > > Most > >>> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, > > etc. > >>> > >>> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor > >>> their > >>> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the > >>> war > >>> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! > >>> > >>> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from > > Saigon), > >>> we > >>> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government > >>> officials, the documents, files, etc. > >>> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in > >>> Lisbon. > >>> > >>> Luis K W > >>> Lisboa-Portugal > >>> ---------- > >>> > From: Margaret > >>> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 > >>> > > >>> > Dear Marcia and Roland: > >>> > > >>> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in > >>> Portugal. > >>> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese > >>> government. > >>> I > >>> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they > > are > >>> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early > >>> "70's. > >>> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had > >>> opportunities > >>> > there that they had to leave behind. > >>> > > >>> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took > >>> valuable > >>> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. > >>> Housing > >>> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in > >>> Madeira. > >>> > > >>> > Best of wishes > >>> > Margaret > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > From: "Marcia & Roland" > >>> > To: > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM > >>> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Dear List > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in > >>> > Mozambique > >>> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that > > my > >>> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal > > and > >>> settled > >>> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called > > The > >>> Lido. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Kind regards, > >>> > > > >>> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout > >>> > > > >>> > > South Africa > >>> > > > >>> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. 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Luis, Can you give us the link to the NEPS site? Thanks, Luis Beal Luis K W <luis_k_w@clix.pt> wrote: Pat, Thanks for the words you said in my behalf. It's true, I do also have Abreu ancestry. I had been looking for the marriage (in 1702) of a couple of ancestors for 2 or 3 years, when I found the couple in a NEPS site (of the Univ. of Minho)! I was very lucky. There wasn't any other couple listed in that century! It was hard to find this document because the couple got married in none of the parishes where they or their parents lived. They went to a third parish, and I might took the whole life and never find this document. That's how I (finally) found that the Bride was a (Gomes de) Abreu, from Ponte de Lima. Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- > From: papagaia2 > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Date: Sábado, 14 de Outubro de 2006 0:56 > > Lou, > You're more than right... Luis K.W. does have a right to his views.... If I > didn't think that I wouldn't have added my "two cents." ;--)... > Most likely we do share common ancestry... All is well at this end hope the > same for you and your family. > Pat > p.s. Luis has Abreu ancestry also... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Pat, > > > > My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right > > to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our > > Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am > > convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well > > with you. > > > > Lou > > > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > > will never know" > > > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Hi Margaret, > > Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I > > have > > had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on > > > > genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our > > Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved > > in > > finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent > > in > > a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our > > history...Luis > > and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family > > elected to > > remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... > > Proud to be an American > > Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. > > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: "Margaret" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > > >> Dear Lou Abreu: > >> > >> You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of > > the > >> members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that > > because > >> of > >> the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. > > Many > >> people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he > > use > >> the > >> site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > >> > >> Margaret > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Lou Abreu" > >> To: ; > >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > >> > >>> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal > >>> views????? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W > >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM > >>> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > >>> Dear Margaret, > >>> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... > >>> > >>> Our point of views are a little bit different. > >>> > >>> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover > >>> Angola > >>> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight > >>> back. > >>> The war lasted for over 12 years. > >>> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the > > Portuguese > >>> were winning this war. > >>> > >>> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its > > colonies > >>> in > >>> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). > >>> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most > >>> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies > > away, > >>> to > >>> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before > > called > >>> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed > > to > >>> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. > >>> > >>> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the > > colonies" > >>> was > >>> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt > > they > >>> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, > > and > >>> - > >>> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that > > were > >>> supporting the local guerrillas. > >>> > >>> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - > >>> i.e. > >>> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. > > Most > >>> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, > > etc. > >>> > >>> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor > >>> their > >>> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the > >>> war > >>> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! > >>> > >>> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from > > Saigon), > >>> we > >>> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government > >>> officials, the documents, files, etc. > >>> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in > >>> Lisbon. > >>> > >>> Luis K W > >>> Lisboa-Portugal > >>> ---------- > >>> > From: Margaret > >>> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 > >>> > > >>> > Dear Marcia and Roland: > >>> > > >>> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in > >>> Portugal. > >>> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese > >>> government. > >>> I > >>> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they > > are > >>> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early > >>> "70's. > >>> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had > >>> opportunities > >>> > there that they had to leave behind. > >>> > > >>> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took > >>> valuable > >>> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. > >>> Housing > >>> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in > >>> Madeira. > >>> > > >>> > Best of wishes > >>> > Margaret > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > From: "Marcia & Roland" > >>> > To: > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM > >>> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Dear List > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in > >>> > Mozambique > >>> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that > > my > >>> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal > > and > >>> settled > >>> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called > > The > >>> Lido. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Kind regards, > >>> > > > >>> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout > >>> > > > >>> > > South Africa > >>> > > > >>> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. 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Pat, Thanks for the words you said in my behalf. It's true, I do also have Abreu ancestry. I had been looking for the marriage (in 1702) of a couple of ancestors for 2 or 3 years, when I found the couple in a NEPS site (of the Univ. of Minho)! I was very lucky. There wasn't any other couple listed in that century! It was hard to find this document because the couple got married in none of the parishes where they or their parents lived. They went to a third parish, and I might took the whole life and never find this document. That's how I (finally) found that the Bride was a (Gomes de) Abreu, from Ponte de Lima. Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------- > From: papagaia2 <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Date: Sábado, 14 de Outubro de 2006 0:56 > > Lou, > You're more than right... Luis K.W. does have a right to his views.... If I > didn't think that I wouldn't have added my "two cents." ;--)... > Most likely we do share common ancestry... All is well at this end hope the > same for you and your family. > Pat > p.s. Luis has Abreu ancestry also... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Pat, > > > > My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right > > to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our > > Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am > > convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well > > with you. > > > > Lou > > > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > > will never know" > > > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Hi Margaret, > > Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I > > have > > had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on > > > > genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our > > Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved > > in > > finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent > > in > > a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our > > history...Luis > > and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family > > elected to > > remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... > > Proud to be an American > > Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. > > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> > > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > > >> Dear Lou Abreu: > >> > >> You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of > > the > >> members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that > > because > >> of > >> the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. > > Many > >> people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he > > use > >> the > >> site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > >> > >> Margaret > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > >> To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > >> > >>> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal > >>> views????? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W > >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM > >>> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > >>> Dear Margaret, > >>> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... > >>> > >>> Our point of views are a little bit different. > >>> > >>> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover > >>> Angola > >>> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight > >>> back. > >>> The war lasted for over 12 years. > >>> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the > > Portuguese > >>> were winning this war. > >>> > >>> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its > > colonies > >>> in > >>> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). > >>> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most > >>> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies > > away, > >>> to > >>> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before > > called > >>> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed > > to > >>> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. > >>> > >>> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the > > colonies" > >>> was > >>> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt > > they > >>> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, > > and > >>> - > >>> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that > > were > >>> supporting the local guerrillas. > >>> > >>> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - > >>> i.e. > >>> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. > > Most > >>> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, > > etc. > >>> > >>> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor > >>> their > >>> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the > >>> war > >>> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! > >>> > >>> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from > > Saigon), > >>> we > >>> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government > >>> officials, the documents, files, etc. > >>> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in > >>> Lisbon. > >>> > >>> Luis K W > >>> Lisboa-Portugal > >>> ---------- > >>> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> > >>> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 > >>> > > >>> > Dear Marcia and Roland: > >>> > > >>> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in > >>> Portugal. > >>> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese > >>> government. > >>> I > >>> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they > > are > >>> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early > >>> "70's. > >>> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had > >>> opportunities > >>> > there that they had to leave behind. > >>> > > >>> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took > >>> valuable > >>> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. > >>> Housing > >>> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in > >>> Madeira. > >>> > > >>> > Best of wishes > >>> > Margaret > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> > >>> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM > >>> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Dear List > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in > >>> > Mozambique > >>> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that > > my > >>> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal > > and > >>> settled > >>> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called > > The > >>> Lido. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Kind regards, > >>> > > > >>> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout > >>> > > > >>> > > South Africa > >>> > > > >>> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings, Thought I'd share the latest press release regarding Family Tree DNA. The tests that are mentioned in the article are so new that I don't know what they do, but will let you know when I find out more. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061012/dath002.html?.v=72 There is one that's creating quite a "buzz", CCR5, because if you have this mutation, you are supposedly immune to HIV, the plague, etc. Yes, some of these are medically related tests, but don't be concerned about any genealogical Y-chromosome or mitochondrial tests you may have already taken, there's no medical information revealed in those. Here's an article regarding CCR5: http://www.usyd.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=490 These tests are viewable on exisiting customers pages under the link "Order Tests" and then click "Advanced Tests". Best regards, Katherine Hope Borges Co-Administrator for DNA heritage studies of the Portuguese Empire: Azores, Cape Verde, Madeira, and Portugal

Thank you Duane, Cheers and Best Wishes to you and your family... Pat C Tracy, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane De Mello" <casademello@comcast.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Hi Pat: > > I liked your comments. Right on the mark. > > Cheers and best wishes, Duane De Mello > > > Researching: de Mello and Faulha in Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel; Reis in > Calhetas, Ponta Delgada, Rabo da Peixe and Fenais da Luz, Sao Miguel; and, > Peregrino in Faial. > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > Hi Margaret, > Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I have > had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on > genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our > Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved in > finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent > in > a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our > history...Luis > and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family elected > to > > remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... > Proud to be an American > Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > >> Dear Lou Abreu: >> >> You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of the >> members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that because >> of >> the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. Many >> people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he use >> the >> site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? >> >> Margaret >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> >> To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> >> >>> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal >>> views????? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM >>> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >>> >>> Dear Margaret, >>> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... >>> >>> Our point of views are a little bit different. >>> >>> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover >>> Angola >>> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight >>> back. >>> The war lasted for over 12 years. >>> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the Portuguese >>> were winning this war. >>> >>> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its colonies >>> in >>> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). >>> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most >>> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies away, >>> to >>> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before called >>> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed to >>> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. >>> >>> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the colonies" >>> was >>> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt they >>> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, and >>> - >>> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that were >>> supporting the local guerrillas. >>> >>> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - >>> i.e. >>> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. Most >>> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, etc. >>> >>> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor >>> their >>> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the >>> war >>> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! >>> >>> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from Saigon), >>> we >>> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government >>> officials, the documents, files, etc. >>> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in >>> Lisbon. >>> >>> Luis K W >>> Lisboa-Portugal >>> ---------- >>> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> >>> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >>> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 >>> > >>> > Dear Marcia and Roland: >>> > >>> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in >>> Portugal. >>> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese >>> government. >>> I >>> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they are >>> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early >>> "70's. >>> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had >>> opportunities >>> > there that they had to leave behind. >>> > >>> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took >>> valuable >>> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. >>> Housing >>> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in >>> Madeira. >>> > >>> > Best of wishes >>> > Margaret >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> >>> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM >>> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >>> > >>> > >>> > > Dear List >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in >>> > Mozambique >>> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that my >>> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal and >>> settled >>> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called The >>> Lido. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Thanks. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Kind regards, >>> > > >>> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout >>> > > >>> > > South Africa >>> > > >>> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lou, You're more than right... Luis K.W. does have a right to his views.... If I didn't think that I wouldn't have added my "two cents." ;--)... Most likely we do share common ancestry... All is well at this end hope the same for you and your family. Pat p.s. Luis has Abreu ancestry also... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Pat, > > My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right > to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our > Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am > convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well > with you. > > Lou > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > will never know" > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > Hi Margaret, > Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I > have > had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on > > genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our > Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved > in > finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent > in > a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our > history...Luis > and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family > elected to > remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... > Proud to be an American > Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > >> Dear Lou Abreu: >> >> You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of > the >> members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that > because >> of >> the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. > Many >> people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he > use >> the >> site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? >> >> Margaret >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> >> To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> >> >>> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal >>> views????? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM >>> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >>> >>> Dear Margaret, >>> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... >>> >>> Our point of views are a little bit different. >>> >>> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover >>> Angola >>> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight >>> back. >>> The war lasted for over 12 years. >>> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the > Portuguese >>> were winning this war. >>> >>> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its > colonies >>> in >>> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). >>> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most >>> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies > away, >>> to >>> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before > called >>> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed > to >>> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. >>> >>> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the > colonies" >>> was >>> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt > they >>> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, > and >>> - >>> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that > were >>> supporting the local guerrillas. >>> >>> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - >>> i.e. >>> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. > Most >>> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, > etc. >>> >>> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor >>> their >>> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the >>> war >>> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! >>> >>> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from > Saigon), >>> we >>> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government >>> officials, the documents, files, etc. >>> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in >>> Lisbon. >>> >>> Luis K W >>> Lisboa-Portugal >>> ---------- >>> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> >>> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >>> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 >>> > >>> > Dear Marcia and Roland: >>> > >>> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in >>> Portugal. >>> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese >>> government. >>> I >>> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they > are >>> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early >>> "70's. >>> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had >>> opportunities >>> > there that they had to leave behind. >>> > >>> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took >>> valuable >>> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. >>> Housing >>> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in >>> Madeira. >>> > >>> > Best of wishes >>> > Margaret >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> >>> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM >>> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >>> > >>> > >>> > > Dear List >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in >>> > Mozambique >>> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that > my >>> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal > and >>> settled >>> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called > The >>> Lido. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Thanks. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Kind regards, >>> > > >>> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout >>> > > >>> > > South Africa >>> > > >>> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pat: I liked your comments. Right on the mark. Cheers and best wishes, Duane De Mello Researching: de Mello and Faulha in Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel; Reis in Calhetas, Ponta Delgada, Rabo da Peixe and Fenais da Luz, Sao Miguel; and, Peregrino in Faial. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Hi Margaret, Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I have had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved in finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent in a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our history...Luis and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family elected to remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... Proud to be an American Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. Pat Silva Corbera ---- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Dear Lou Abreu: > > You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of the > members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that because > of > the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. Many > people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he use > the > site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > >> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal >> views????? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM >> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> >> Dear Margaret, >> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... >> >> Our point of views are a little bit different. >> >> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover >> Angola >> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight >> back. >> The war lasted for over 12 years. >> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the Portuguese >> were winning this war. >> >> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its colonies >> in >> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). >> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most >> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies away, >> to >> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before called >> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed to >> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. >> >> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the colonies" >> was >> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt they >> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, and >> - >> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that were >> supporting the local guerrillas. >> >> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - >> i.e. >> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. Most >> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, etc. >> >> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor >> their >> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the >> war >> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! >> >> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from Saigon), >> we >> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government >> officials, the documents, files, etc. >> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in >> Lisbon. >> >> Luis K W >> Lisboa-Portugal >> ---------- >> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 >> > >> > Dear Marcia and Roland: >> > >> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in >> Portugal. >> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese >> government. >> I >> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they are >> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early >> "70's. >> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had >> opportunities >> > there that they had to leave behind. >> > >> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took >> valuable >> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. >> Housing >> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in >> Madeira. >> > >> > Best of wishes >> > Margaret >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> >> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM >> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > >> > >> > > Dear List >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in >> > Mozambique >> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that my >> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal and >> settled >> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called The >> Lido. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > >> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout >> > > >> > > South Africa >> > > >> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Great Grandmother Maria Rodrigues dos Santos, was born in Brazil, however her parents were from Madeira and she returned there.....Her mothers name was Carolina Fernandes. Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ZacBennettFamily@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:00 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Santos, Brazil Hello everyone, I am new to this subscription. My ancestors lived in the area of Canhas, Tabua and Ponta do Sol. My grandfather, Antonio DeJesus escaped Madeira Islands (to avoid to enlist with the military) around 1906. He went to Brazil. According to his U.S. Citizenship application, it stated that he lived in Santos, Brazil before coming to Bedford, Massachusetts via Ellis Island. I know nothing about Santos... Have any other Madeira people settled in Santos? Is there any genealogical society in Santos? How can or whom shall I write to? According to the 1930 Federal Census (U.S.A.), it stated he was married before. I do not know if he married someone in Santos or in Bedford. Any information or any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much Zack Bennett Alameda, California ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandmother was a D'Abreu. Her father was Manuel Inacio D'Abreu and her mother was Maria Augusta. Julie Gerren

One of my mother's uncles went to Brazil but I believe he was an uncle by marriage. What his first name was I do not know but his last name was Mondo. That is all she could remember as a 7-year-old when she left Madeira. Julie Gerren

Dear Lou: Included me in the d.Abreu clan in Campanario Madeira. My great grandfathers family. D. Abreu Faria. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Pat, > > My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right > to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our > Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am > convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well > with you. > > Lou > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > will never know" > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > Hi Margaret, > Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I > have > had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on > > genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our > Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved > in > finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent > in > a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our > history...Luis > and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family > elected to > remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... > Proud to be an American > Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Dear Lou Abreu: > > > > You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of > the > > members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that > because > > of > > the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. > Many > > people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he > use > > the > > site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > > > > Margaret > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > > To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > > >> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal > >> views????? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W > >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM > >> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > >> Dear Margaret, > >> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... > >> > >> Our point of views are a little bit different. > >> > >> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover > >> Angola > >> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight > >> back. > >> The war lasted for over 12 years. > >> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the > Portuguese > >> were winning this war. > >> > >> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its > colonies > >> in > >> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). > >> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most > >> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies > away, > >> to > >> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before > called > >> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed > to > >> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. > >> > >> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the > colonies" > >> was > >> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt > they > >> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, > and > >> - > >> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that > were > >> supporting the local guerrillas. > >> > >> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - > >> i.e. > >> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. > Most > >> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, > etc. > >> > >> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor > >> their > >> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the > >> war > >> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! > >> > >> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from > Saigon), > >> we > >> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government > >> officials, the documents, files, etc. > >> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in > >> Lisbon. > >> > >> Luis K W > >> Lisboa-Portugal > >> ---------- > >> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 > >> > > >> > Dear Marcia and Roland: > >> > > >> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in > >> Portugal. > >> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese > >> government. > >> I > >> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they > are > >> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early > >> "70's. > >> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had > >> opportunities > >> > there that they had to leave behind. > >> > > >> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took > >> valuable > >> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. > >> Housing > >> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in > >> Madeira. > >> > > >> > Best of wishes > >> > Margaret > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> > >> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM > >> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > > >> > > >> > > Dear List > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in > >> > Mozambique > >> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that > my > >> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal > and > >> settled > >> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called > The > >> Lido. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Thanks. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Kind regards, > >> > > > >> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout > >> > > > >> > > South Africa > >> > > > >> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well with you. Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Hi Margaret, Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I have had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved in finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent in a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our history...Luis and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family elected to remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... Proud to be an American Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. Pat Silva Corbera ---- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Dear Lou Abreu: > > You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of the > members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that because > of > the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. Many > people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he use > the > site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > >> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal >> views????? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM >> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> >> Dear Margaret, >> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... >> >> Our point of views are a little bit different. >> >> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover >> Angola >> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight >> back. >> The war lasted for over 12 years. >> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the Portuguese >> were winning this war. >> >> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its colonies >> in >> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). >> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most >> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies away, >> to >> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before called >> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed to >> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. >> >> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the colonies" >> was >> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt they >> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, and >> - >> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that were >> supporting the local guerrillas. >> >> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - >> i.e. >> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. Most >> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, etc. >> >> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor >> their >> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the >> war >> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! >> >> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from Saigon), >> we >> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government >> officials, the documents, files, etc. >> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in >> Lisbon. >> >> Luis K W >> Lisboa-Portugal >> ---------- >> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 >> > >> > Dear Marcia and Roland: >> > >> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in >> Portugal. >> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese >> government. >> I >> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they are >> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early >> "70's. >> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had >> opportunities >> > there that they had to leave behind. >> > >> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took >> valuable >> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. >> Housing >> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in >> Madeira. >> > >> > Best of wishes >> > Margaret >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> >> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM >> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > >> > >> > > Dear List >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in >> > Mozambique >> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that my >> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal and >> settled >> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called The >> Lido. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > >> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout >> > > >> > > South Africa >> > > >> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, I am new to this subscription. My ancestors lived in the area of Canhas, Tabua and Ponta do Sol. My grandfather, Antonio DeJesus escaped Madeira Islands (to avoid to enlist with the military) around 1906. He went to Brazil. According to his U.S. Citizenship application, it stated that he lived in Santos, Brazil before coming to Bedford, Massachusetts via Ellis Island. I know nothing about Santos... Have any other Madeira people settled in Santos? Is there any genealogical society in Santos? How can or whom shall I write to? According to the 1930 Federal Census (U.S.A.), it stated he was married before. I do not know if he married someone in Santos or in Bedford. Any information or any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much Zack Bennett Alameda, California

Hi Margaret, Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I have had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved in finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent in a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our history...Luis and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family elected to remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... Proud to be an American Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. Pat Silva Corbera ---- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Dear Lou Abreu: > > You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of the > members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that because > of > the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. Many > people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he use > the > site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > >> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal >> views????? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM >> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> >> Dear Margaret, >> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... >> >> Our point of views are a little bit different. >> >> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover >> Angola >> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight >> back. >> The war lasted for over 12 years. >> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the Portuguese >> were winning this war. >> >> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its colonies >> in >> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). >> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most >> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies away, >> to >> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before called >> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed to >> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. >> >> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the colonies" >> was >> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt they >> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, and >> - >> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that were >> supporting the local guerrillas. >> >> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - >> i.e. >> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. Most >> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, etc. >> >> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor >> their >> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the >> war >> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! >> >> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from Saigon), >> we >> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government >> officials, the documents, files, etc. >> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in >> Lisbon. >> >> Luis K W >> Lisboa-Portugal >> ---------- >> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 >> > >> > Dear Marcia and Roland: >> > >> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in >> Portugal. >> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese >> government. >> I >> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they are >> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early >> "70's. >> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had >> opportunities >> > there that they had to leave behind. >> > >> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took >> valuable >> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. >> Housing >> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in >> Madeira. >> > >> > Best of wishes >> > Margaret >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> >> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM >> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > >> > >> > > Dear List >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in >> > Mozambique >> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that my >> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal and >> settled >> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called The >> Lido. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > >> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout >> > > >> > > South Africa >> > > >> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >