hello I call me manuel pereira I seek informacion of people that were born in the island madeira specifically in sao martinho, funchal my grandfather is called antonio pereira nacio in sao martinho funchal its parents tambien were born alla its father I am called alvaro pereira probably murio among 1980-1995 its mother maria of jesus dull barreira maiden name tambien could have died in that interim its father I am called manuel dull barreira not themselves in which date they were born I need informacion of them the brothers of my grandfather were called maria concepcion, jose maria, daniel, marcelinho and alvaro me pueden enviar enlaces que me sirvan de ayuda ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com

Hello Tom: I don't think so but as I have learned from others- it seems like all Madeirans are related if you go back a few generations. :-) My da Silvas came to Massachusetts in 1920s and, of the three brothers, my father was the only one to have children. I know my da Silva grandfather had at least one sibling back on the island (who I believe was a sister) but I do not know much else positively about the da Silva line. I can go back 2 more generations and then I am stuck. My da Silva line goes to Manuel da Silva from the Acores. He did not marry the mother of his child, Pedro Jose da Silva, though he baptized his son and his son carried his name. I have had much more success with my paternal grandmother's family- hence my connections to Machico, Canical, and Gaula on the island and Porto on the mainland. BTW- if there is anyone out there who needs info on Canical- I have films and am reviewing them now. I will be happy to look for something specific or to keep my eyes open for certain individual names if so desired. I wish everyone a Blessed Christmas and Happy New Year. Mary da Silva Frost

> Hello everyone: > > > Mary da Silva Frost > Any relation to Evan Dasilva of North Kingstown, RI? Tom Alciere --- Add your public domain genealogy information to GedcomLibrary.com for town-by-town indexing on GedcomIndex.com

Thank you so much for that information. Which means that those of us who cannot find marriages, they may have been unintentionally omitted. Good point to check the film.

Hello everyone: I have been viewing FHC films from Canical and came across some items that may interest someone else looking for these people. While reading through some death notices I came across two marriages listed in the midst of them. These marriages are NOT indexed on ARM. THe first is June 27, 1774 Gaspar Vieira and Mariana do Nascimento. The record is not clear on anything else but that the marriage took place. No family connections are listed. I also later found that they had a son Pedro who died in 1782 and then Mariana died in 1798. The other misplaced marriage record is May 28, 1787- Francisco Nunes and Isabel de Sousa. Nothing else legible. I don't know if this helps anyone, but it seemed a shame to not share it. Mary da Silva Frost

Anybody with lines from somewhere else can try their luck with a Google search as follows, quotation marks and all: "2 PLAC" AncestralTown filetype:ged where you replace Ancestral Town with your ancestral town name. Tom Alciere Webmaster@GedcomLibrary.com --- Add your public domain genealogy information to GedcomLibrary.com for town-by-town indexing on GedcomIndex.com

Greetings: I run a website where I display a town-by-town index of entries found on GEDCOM files I download off other people's websites. Portugal doesn't really have much on my site, but what it does have is quite a bit for Funchal. Anybody with an interest in this town should visit http://gedcomindex.com/Towns/ptfuncha.html noting that the words are often corrupted because the GEDCOM file to which I link is using the ANSEL character set which I haven't fully programmed my machine to read correctly. If you see anything that matches your lines, download the GEDCOM file and load it into a new database in your genealogy software. Tom Alciere Webmaster@GedcomLibrary.com --- Add your public domain genealogy information to GedcomLibrary.com for town-by-town indexing on GedcomIndex.com

I think these types of sites are good to help "guide" us through brick walls. Personally, I don't use any data directly from other's websites (or books or whatever)... But I have been very successful using others' data as a roadmap of sorts to find the actual proof in records. Anyone who just uses other people's gathered data without re-proving it, is being very foolish, IMO. Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:04 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Funchal, Madeira Although this website might sound like a good idea I would like to caution anyone who uses it to beware of its information. Because the information has been taken out of other people's website you will not be able to find out who submitted it, you will not be able to contact the submitter for source information, and for all you know the whole information on these gedcoms could be bogus. Or you might just find out it is your own. I am personally not a believer in hoarding other people's genealogy work for any reason, but some do not see anything wrong with it. Either way be careful if you download it, remember that just because it is online it does not make valid. Use it only as a guide. Hopefully you also have a good virus detection program just in case. Good hunting, Luis Beal List Administrator Greetings: I run a website where I display a town-by-town index of entries found on GEDCOM files I download off other people's websites. Portugal doesn't really have much on my site, but what it does have is quite a bit for Funchal. Anybody with an interest in this town should visit http://gedcomindex.com/Towns/ptfuncha.html noting that the words are often corrupted because the GEDCOM file to which I link is using the ANSEL character set which I haven't fully programmed my machine to read correctly. If you see anything that matches your lines, download the GEDCOM file and load it into a new database in your genealogy software. Tom Alciere Webmaster@GedcomLibrary.com --- Add your public domain genealogy information to GedcomLibrary.com for town-by-town indexing on GedcomIndex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe luisbeal@yahoo.com from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ------------------------------- To unsubscribe hammc@localnet.com from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is great... I see several of my "people" on this list... BUT, after downloading one file, I get a geocities message ... Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable. The GeoCities web site you were trying to view has temporarily exceeded its data transfer limit. Please try again later. Are you the site owner? Avoid service interruptions in the future by increasing your data transfer limit! Find out how. Please advise. Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Webmaster@GedcomLibrary.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:15 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Funchal, Madeira Greetings: I run a website where I display a town-by-town index of entries found on GEDCOM files I download off other people's websites. Portugal doesn't really have much on my site, but what it does have is quite a bit for Funchal. Anybody with an interest in this town should visit http://gedcomindex.com/Towns/ptfuncha.html noting that the words are often corrupted because the GEDCOM file to which I link is using the ANSEL character set which I haven't fully programmed my machine to read correctly. If you see anything that matches your lines, download the GEDCOM file and load it into a new database in your genealogy software. Tom Alciere Webmaster@GedcomLibrary.com --- Add your public domain genealogy information to GedcomLibrary.com for town-by-town indexing on GedcomIndex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe hammc@localnet.com from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Although this website might sound like a good idea I would like to caution anyone who uses it to beware of its information. Because the information has been taken out of other people's website you will not be able to find out who submitted it, you will not be able to contact the submitter for source information, and for all you know the whole information on these gedcoms could be bogus. Or you might just find out it is your own. I am personally not a believer in hoarding other people's genealogy work for any reason, but some do not see anything wrong with it. Either way be careful if you download it, remember that just because it is online it does not make valid. Use it only as a guide. Hopefully you also have a good virus detection program just in case. Good hunting, Luis Beal List Administrator Greetings: I run a website where I display a town-by-town index of entries found on GEDCOM files I download off other people's websites. Portugal doesn't really have much on my site, but what it does have is quite a bit for Funchal. Anybody with an interest in this town should visit http://gedcomindex.com/Towns/ptfuncha.html noting that the words are often corrupted because the GEDCOM file to which I link is using the ANSEL character set which I haven't fully programmed my machine to read correctly. If you see anything that matches your lines, download the GEDCOM file and load it into a new database in your genealogy software. Tom Alciere Webmaster@GedcomLibrary.com --- Add your public domain genealogy information to GedcomLibrary.com for town-by-town indexing on GedcomIndex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe luisbeal@yahoo.com from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited

Seeking any info on the parents and siblings of John C. Ornellas, born about 1894 in Madeira Islands. Migrated to US in 1917 and lived in or near Taunton, Mass. Believe he married Mary Silvia about 1924 and had a daughter named Mary, born about 1925 and a son named John born about 1932.

Hello- I just signed up with this list and look forward to communicating with others who have an interest in family roots in Madeira. I am particularly interested in finding information about a young cousin who died as an infant (approximately 6 months of age) in early 1929. He was the son of my dad's cousin who was born on Graciosa and immigrated to New Bedford, Massachusetts. Her name was Senhorinha de Lima, and she married Antonio Barros da Silva in 1916. He had emigrated from Madeira. The couple returned for a time to live on Madeira where their son was born (in mid-1928) and died. Can anyone help me find out more information about this child? I'm afraid I don't have any further facts about him, though I have quite a lot of information about Senhorinha and Antonio. Thank you for any help, and I look forward to hearing from others on this list. Regards, Greg Lima

Looking for leads and possible relationships through Luisa d'Abreu, believed born before 1848, probably in the district of Calheta, Madeira. Luisa married Joao da Silva Pomar at the church of Sao Braz, Arco da Calheta, Madeira , in November 1853. Luisa's parents are believed to be Ignacio Gonsalves, born before 1828, died before 1853; and Maria d'Abreu, born before 1828, died before 1853. Joao da Silva do Pomar and Luisa d'Abreu produced children Vincenzia, baptized 1868, church of Sao Braz, Arco da Calheta; Antonio, baptized 1870, church of Sao Braz, Arco da Calheta; and Jose, baptized 1872, church of Sao Braz, Arco da Calheta. It's not known whether these children survived. There also could have been other children. Thanks for your reply if you have interest or information. Donald Rodrigues ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA > Leandro, > I do not have Antonio's birth date, I don't believe it was recorded. > The researcher who provided this info just gave me that Manuel and > Leonor were married abt 1690, however, it would seem that they were > married either in 1689 or prior since you are a descendent of their > daughter Filipa. Using a little rough math since Antonio was married in > 1713, he would have been at least 20, thus that would put him around > 1693 or before.......of course that is just a guess on my part.....do > you know of any other children for Manuel and Leonor? > > Cheers, Lou.... > > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > will never know" > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:57 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA > > Hi Lou.... > > Wow....thats pretty amazing!!! so it means that we are related!!!!! > Manuel de Abreu and Leonor Fernandes are in my 11th generation. What > year their son was born?? the lady that i descend (Filipa Maria de Sao > Tiago) was born in 1689. > > I have another Abreu in my family: Manuel Abreu de Macedo was born and > married in Seixal in 1772 Maria Rosa Faria and are the parents of > Vicencia Maria de Jesus (born in Seixal in 1772). Are we related thru > them as well or not??? > > I also like to know if LOU OR ANYONE can tell me something about the > following families: > > 1) Inacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) > and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias > > 2) Crispina da Camara - born in Porto Moniz. Married in 1698 Manuel da > Costa and is the mother of Tomazia da Costa > > 3) Isabel de Castro - born in Calheta in 1664 daughter of Francisco > Esteves and Ines Marques. Married in 1693 with Joao Duarte de Faria > > 4) Sebastiao de Castro Canha - Born in Seixal in 1685. Son of Manuel de > castro Canha e Maria de Ponte. Married in 1709 with Clara Gomes > > 5) Antonio de Castro teixeira - born in Seixal in 1785. Son of > Francisco castro Teixeira (1741) and Mariana Costa de Gouveia (1740). > Married in 1812 with Maria Julia da Encarnacao > > 6) Vital Escorcio Drumond - Born in S Vicente in 1686. Son of Vasco > Moniz de Menezes and DONA Crispina de Menezes. Married in 1706 Maria > Teixeira de Andrade (1690) > > 7) Jose de Franca Vasconcelos - Born in S Vicente. Son of Antonio > Mendes e DONA Maria de Franca. Married in 1728 with DONA Maria Telo de > Menezes > > 8) Francisco Gois de Carvalho - married in 1664 in S Vicente with Maria > Francisca. Father of Alvaro Gomes (Born in 1671) > > 9) Miguel Mendes - Married Isabel de Ponte in Seixal. Father of Manuel > de Ponte (1646) and Domingos de Ponte (1656) > > 10) Vasco Moniz de Menezes - married in S Vicente in 1684 with DONA > Crispina de Menezes > > 11) Manuel Nunes da Costa - Born in Seixal in 1685, Son of Manuel da > Costa (1658) and Francisca Rodrigues. Married in 1717 Catarina de Ponte > Teixeira > > 12) Manuel Pereira Brasao - Born in 1767 in Seixal. Son of Jose Pereira > Brasao and Antonia Maria. Married in 1791 with Maria de Ponte Teixeira > (1753), widow of Manuel Telo de Menezes. Father of Placido Pereira > (born in 1792) > > 13) PESTANA - 6 menbers of this family > > 14) PONTE - 9 menbers of this family > > THANK YOU > > LEANDRO > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: labreu@cablespeed.com > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA > > Leandro, > > Manuel and Leonor were married about 1690 in Calheta, Madeira. I am a > descendant of their son Antonio De Abreu, born in Calheta Madeira, > Antonio Married Joana Da Silva February 20, 1713 in Ponta do Sol. > Manuel and Leonor are in my 10th Generation. I do not have the names of > Manuel or Leonors parents, so this is where this particular line of my > Abreu ancestors ends. Calheta marriage records for 1678-1749 were > missing at the time of this research,if you or anyone else can provide > more it would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Lou > > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > will never know" > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA > > Hi all.... > > I have an Abreu in my family. He was manuel de Abreu from Ponta do Sol > (madeira Island) that married Leonor Fernandes and were the parents of > Filipa Maria Sao Tiago born in 1689 > > > anyone know anything about them?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > -----Original Message----- > From: papagaia2@sbcglobal.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:33 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA > > Hi Lou, > According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da > Madeira > e do Porto Santo... > "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. > > Os > Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu > casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao > Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." > "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem > fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu > que > devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua > vez, > procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. > Henrique e > foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos com as > vilas e > lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de que foi > senhor. > Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. Afonso Henriques > e > fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o seu apelido, junto > a > Valenca do Minho." > > Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th > ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) > and > his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been very > confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and > corrections > made. > Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, > maybe > he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. > > Hope this helps. > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA > > > Pat, > Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe > her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had > great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me > the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the > above. > > Cheers, > Lou > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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Leandro, That is true, however, I have not traced any family to Seixal. I am trying to work the connection from Manuel back....but have had great difficulty. Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:37 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Lou... once your family is from Seixal probably you desscend from more families that maybe i belong as well..have a look on the list that i sent earlier and check if some name or surnames sounds familiar Cheers Leandro -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Ahhh such is the pain of genealogy...but such is the joy of discovery. My great grandfather Antonio Neves De Abreu Amarello came to the US in 1916, they settled in Massachusetts where some of the family still resides, I currently live in Maryland. Cheers, Lo "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Lou.... Unfortunately all that i know is the line that comes from their daugther Filipa. If you want to know her line just ask me..otherwise thats all that i have :( wheer do u live?? when did your family emigrate?? Thanks Leandro -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, I do not have Antonio's birth date, I don't believe it was recorded. The researcher who provided this info just gave me that Manuel and Leonor were married abt 1690, however, it would seem that they were married either in 1689 or prior since you are a descendent of their daughter Filipa. Using a little rough math since Antonio was married in 1713, he would have been at least 20, thus that would put him around 1693 or before.......of course that is just a guess on my part.....do you know of any other children for Manuel and Leonor? Cheers, Lou.... "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou.... Wow....thats pretty amazing!!! so it means that we are related!!!!! Manuel de Abreu and Leonor Fernandes are in my 11th generation. What year their son was born?? the lady that i descend (Filipa Maria de Sao Tiago) was born in 1689. I have another Abreu in my family: Manuel Abreu de Macedo was born and married in Seixal in 1772 Maria Rosa Faria and are the parents of Vicencia Maria de Jesus (born in Seixal in 1772). Are we related thru them as well or not??? I also like to know if LOU OR ANYONE can tell me something about the following families: 1) Inacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias 2) Crispina da Camara - born in Porto Moniz. Married in 1698 Manuel da Costa and is the mother of Tomazia da Costa 3) Isabel de Castro - born in Calheta in 1664 daughter of Francisco Esteves and Ines Marques. Married in 1693 with Joao Duarte de Faria 4) Sebastiao de Castro Canha - Born in Seixal in 1685. Son of Manuel de castro Canha e Maria de Ponte. Married in 1709 with Clara Gomes 5) Antonio de Castro teixeira - born in Seixal in 1785. Son of Francisco castro Teixeira (1741) and Mariana Costa de Gouveia (1740). Married in 1812 with Maria Julia da Encarnacao 6) Vital Escorcio Drumond - Born in S Vicente in 1686. Son of Vasco Moniz de Menezes and DONA Crispina de Menezes. Married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade (1690) 7) Jose de Franca Vasconcelos - Born in S Vicente. Son of Antonio Mendes e DONA Maria de Franca. Married in 1728 with DONA Maria Telo de Menezes 8) Francisco Gois de Carvalho - married in 1664 in S Vicente with Maria Francisca. Father of Alvaro Gomes (Born in 1671) 9) Miguel Mendes - Married Isabel de Ponte in Seixal. Father of Manuel de Ponte (1646) and Domingos de Ponte (1656) 10) Vasco Moniz de Menezes - married in S Vicente in 1684 with DONA Crispina de Menezes 11) Manuel Nunes da Costa - Born in Seixal in 1685, Son of Manuel da Costa (1658) and Francisca Rodrigues. Married in 1717 Catarina de Ponte Teixeira 12) Manuel Pereira Brasao - Born in 1767 in Seixal. Son of Jose Pereira Brasao and Antonia Maria. Married in 1791 with Maria de Ponte Teixeira (1753), widow of Manuel Telo de Menezes. Father of Placido Pereira (born in 1792) 13) PESTANA - 6 menbers of this family 14) PONTE - 9 menbers of this family THANK YOU LEANDRO -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Manuel and Leonor were married about 1690 in Calheta, Madeira. I am a descendant of their son Antonio De Abreu, born in Calheta Madeira, Antonio Married Joana Da Silva February 20, 1713 in Ponta do Sol. Manuel and Leonor are in my 10th Generation. I do not have the names of Manuel or Leonors parents, so this is where this particular line of my Abreu ancestors ends. Calheta marriage records for 1678-1749 were missing at the time of this research,if you or anyone else can provide more it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi all.... I have an Abreu in my family. He was manuel de Abreu from Ponta do Sol (madeira Island) that married Leonor Fernandes and were the parents of Filipa Maria Sao Tiago born in 1689 anyone know anything about them?? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: papagaia2@sbcglobal.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou, According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo... "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. Os Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu que devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua vez, procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. Henrique e foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos com as vilas e lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de que foi senhor. Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. Afonso Henriques e fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o seu apelido, junto a Valenca do Minho." Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) and his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been very confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and corrections made. Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, maybe he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. Hope this helps. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Pat, Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the above. Cheers, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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Lou... once your family is from Seixal probably you desscend from more families that maybe i belong as well..have a look on the list that i sent earlier and check if some name or surnames sounds familiar Cheers Leandro -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Ahhh such is the pain of genealogy...but such is the joy of discovery. My great grandfather Antonio Neves De Abreu Amarello came to the US in 1916, they settled in Massachusetts where some of the family still resides, I currently live in Maryland. Cheers, Lo "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Lou.... Unfortunately all that i know is the line that comes from their daugther Filipa. If you want to know her line just ask me..otherwise thats all that i have :( wheer do u live?? when did your family emigrate?? Thanks Leandro -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, I do not have Antonio's birth date, I don't believe it was recorded. The researcher who provided this info just gave me that Manuel and Leonor were married abt 1690, however, it would seem that they were married either in 1689 or prior since you are a descendent of their daughter Filipa. Using a little rough math since Antonio was married in 1713, he would have been at least 20, thus that would put him around 1693 or before.......of course that is just a guess on my part.....do you know of any other children for Manuel and Leonor? Cheers, Lou.... "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou.... Wow....thats pretty amazing!!! so it means that we are related!!!!! Manuel de Abreu and Leonor Fernandes are in my 11th generation. What year their son was born?? the lady that i descend (Filipa Maria de Sao Tiago) was born in 1689. I have another Abreu in my family: Manuel Abreu de Macedo was born and married in Seixal in 1772 Maria Rosa Faria and are the parents of Vicencia Maria de Jesus (born in Seixal in 1772). Are we related thru them as well or not??? I also like to know if LOU OR ANYONE can tell me something about the following families: 1) Inacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias 2) Crispina da Camara - born in Porto Moniz. Married in 1698 Manuel da Costa and is the mother of Tomazia da Costa 3) Isabel de Castro - born in Calheta in 1664 daughter of Francisco Esteves and Ines Marques. Married in 1693 with Joao Duarte de Faria 4) Sebastiao de Castro Canha - Born in Seixal in 1685. Son of Manuel de castro Canha e Maria de Ponte. Married in 1709 with Clara Gomes 5) Antonio de Castro teixeira - born in Seixal in 1785. Son of Francisco castro Teixeira (1741) and Mariana Costa de Gouveia (1740). Married in 1812 with Maria Julia da Encarnacao 6) Vital Escorcio Drumond - Born in S Vicente in 1686. Son of Vasco Moniz de Menezes and DONA Crispina de Menezes. Married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade (1690) 7) Jose de Franca Vasconcelos - Born in S Vicente. Son of Antonio Mendes e DONA Maria de Franca. Married in 1728 with DONA Maria Telo de Menezes 8) Francisco Gois de Carvalho - married in 1664 in S Vicente with Maria Francisca. Father of Alvaro Gomes (Born in 1671) 9) Miguel Mendes - Married Isabel de Ponte in Seixal. Father of Manuel de Ponte (1646) and Domingos de Ponte (1656) 10) Vasco Moniz de Menezes - married in S Vicente in 1684 with DONA Crispina de Menezes 11) Manuel Nunes da Costa - Born in Seixal in 1685, Son of Manuel da Costa (1658) and Francisca Rodrigues. Married in 1717 Catarina de Ponte Teixeira 12) Manuel Pereira Brasao - Born in 1767 in Seixal. Son of Jose Pereira Brasao and Antonia Maria. Married in 1791 with Maria de Ponte Teixeira (1753), widow of Manuel Telo de Menezes. Father of Placido Pereira (born in 1792) 13) PESTANA - 6 menbers of this family 14) PONTE - 9 menbers of this family THANK YOU LEANDRO -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Manuel and Leonor were married about 1690 in Calheta, Madeira. I am a descendant of their son Antonio De Abreu, born in Calheta Madeira, Antonio Married Joana Da Silva February 20, 1713 in Ponta do Sol. Manuel and Leonor are in my 10th Generation. I do not have the names of Manuel or Leonors parents, so this is where this particular line of my Abreu ancestors ends. Calheta marriage records for 1678-1749 were missing at the time of this research,if you or anyone else can provide more it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi all.... I have an Abreu in my family. He was manuel de Abreu from Ponta do Sol (madeira Island) that married Leonor Fernandes and were the parents of Filipa Maria Sao Tiago born in 1689 anyone know anything about them?? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: papagaia2@sbcglobal.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou, According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo... "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. Os Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu que devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua vez, procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. Henrique e foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos com as vilas e lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de que foi senhor. Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. Afonso Henriques e fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o seu apelido, junto a Valenca do Minho." Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) and his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been very confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and corrections made. Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, maybe he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. Hope this helps. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Pat, Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the above. Cheers, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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Leandro, Ahhh such is the pain of genealogy...but such is the joy of discovery. My great grandfather Antonio Neves De Abreu Amarello came to the US in 1916, they settled in Massachusetts where some of the family still resides, I currently live in Maryland. Cheers, Lo "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Lou.... Unfortunately all that i know is the line that comes from their daugther Filipa. If you want to know her line just ask me..otherwise thats all that i have :( wheer do u live?? when did your family emigrate?? Thanks Leandro -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, I do not have Antonio's birth date, I don't believe it was recorded. The researcher who provided this info just gave me that Manuel and Leonor were married abt 1690, however, it would seem that they were married either in 1689 or prior since you are a descendent of their daughter Filipa. Using a little rough math since Antonio was married in 1713, he would have been at least 20, thus that would put him around 1693 or before.......of course that is just a guess on my part.....do you know of any other children for Manuel and Leonor? Cheers, Lou.... "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou.... Wow....thats pretty amazing!!! so it means that we are related!!!!! Manuel de Abreu and Leonor Fernandes are in my 11th generation. What year their son was born?? the lady that i descend (Filipa Maria de Sao Tiago) was born in 1689. I have another Abreu in my family: Manuel Abreu de Macedo was born and married in Seixal in 1772 Maria Rosa Faria and are the parents of Vicencia Maria de Jesus (born in Seixal in 1772). Are we related thru them as well or not??? I also like to know if LOU OR ANYONE can tell me something about the following families: 1) Inacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias 2) Crispina da Camara - born in Porto Moniz. Married in 1698 Manuel da Costa and is the mother of Tomazia da Costa 3) Isabel de Castro - born in Calheta in 1664 daughter of Francisco Esteves and Ines Marques. Married in 1693 with Joao Duarte de Faria 4) Sebastiao de Castro Canha - Born in Seixal in 1685. Son of Manuel de castro Canha e Maria de Ponte. Married in 1709 with Clara Gomes 5) Antonio de Castro teixeira - born in Seixal in 1785. Son of Francisco castro Teixeira (1741) and Mariana Costa de Gouveia (1740). Married in 1812 with Maria Julia da Encarnacao 6) Vital Escorcio Drumond - Born in S Vicente in 1686. Son of Vasco Moniz de Menezes and DONA Crispina de Menezes. Married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade (1690) 7) Jose de Franca Vasconcelos - Born in S Vicente. Son of Antonio Mendes e DONA Maria de Franca. Married in 1728 with DONA Maria Telo de Menezes 8) Francisco Gois de Carvalho - married in 1664 in S Vicente with Maria Francisca. Father of Alvaro Gomes (Born in 1671) 9) Miguel Mendes - Married Isabel de Ponte in Seixal. Father of Manuel de Ponte (1646) and Domingos de Ponte (1656) 10) Vasco Moniz de Menezes - married in S Vicente in 1684 with DONA Crispina de Menezes 11) Manuel Nunes da Costa - Born in Seixal in 1685, Son of Manuel da Costa (1658) and Francisca Rodrigues. Married in 1717 Catarina de Ponte Teixeira 12) Manuel Pereira Brasao - Born in 1767 in Seixal. Son of Jose Pereira Brasao and Antonia Maria. Married in 1791 with Maria de Ponte Teixeira (1753), widow of Manuel Telo de Menezes. Father of Placido Pereira (born in 1792) 13) PESTANA - 6 menbers of this family 14) PONTE - 9 menbers of this family THANK YOU LEANDRO -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Manuel and Leonor were married about 1690 in Calheta, Madeira. I am a descendant of their son Antonio De Abreu, born in Calheta Madeira, Antonio Married Joana Da Silva February 20, 1713 in Ponta do Sol. Manuel and Leonor are in my 10th Generation. I do not have the names of Manuel or Leonors parents, so this is where this particular line of my Abreu ancestors ends. Calheta marriage records for 1678-1749 were missing at the time of this research,if you or anyone else can provide more it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi all.... I have an Abreu in my family. He was manuel de Abreu from Ponta do Sol (madeira Island) that married Leonor Fernandes and were the parents of Filipa Maria Sao Tiago born in 1689 anyone know anything about them?? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: papagaia2@sbcglobal.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou, According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo... "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. Os Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu que devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua vez, procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. Henrique e foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos com as vilas e lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de que foi senhor. Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. Afonso Henriques e fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o seu apelido, junto a Valenca do Minho." Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) and his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been very confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and corrections made. Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, maybe he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. Hope this helps. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Pat, Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the above. Cheers, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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Lou.... Unfortunately all that i know is the line that comes from their daugther Filipa. If you want to know her line just ask me..otherwise thats all that i have :( wheer do u live?? when did your family emigrate?? Thanks Leandro -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, I do not have Antonio's birth date, I don't believe it was recorded. The researcher who provided this info just gave me that Manuel and Leonor were married abt 1690, however, it would seem that they were married either in 1689 or prior since you are a descendent of their daughter Filipa. Using a little rough math since Antonio was married in 1713, he would have been at least 20, thus that would put him around 1693 or before.......of course that is just a guess on my part.....do you know of any other children for Manuel and Leonor? Cheers, Lou.... "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou.... Wow....thats pretty amazing!!! so it means that we are related!!!!! Manuel de Abreu and Leonor Fernandes are in my 11th generation. What year their son was born?? the lady that i descend (Filipa Maria de Sao Tiago) was born in 1689. I have another Abreu in my family: Manuel Abreu de Macedo was born and married in Seixal in 1772 Maria Rosa Faria and are the parents of Vicencia Maria de Jesus (born in Seixal in 1772). Are we related thru them as well or not??? I also like to know if LOU OR ANYONE can tell me something about the following families: 1) Inacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias 2) Crispina da Camara - born in Porto Moniz. Married in 1698 Manuel da Costa and is the mother of Tomazia da Costa 3) Isabel de Castro - born in Calheta in 1664 daughter of Francisco Esteves and Ines Marques. Married in 1693 with Joao Duarte de Faria 4) Sebastiao de Castro Canha - Born in Seixal in 1685. Son of Manuel de castro Canha e Maria de Ponte. Married in 1709 with Clara Gomes 5) Antonio de Castro teixeira - born in Seixal in 1785. Son of Francisco castro Teixeira (1741) and Mariana Costa de Gouveia (1740). Married in 1812 with Maria Julia da Encarnacao 6) Vital Escorcio Drumond - Born in S Vicente in 1686. Son of Vasco Moniz de Menezes and DONA Crispina de Menezes. Married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade (1690) 7) Jose de Franca Vasconcelos - Born in S Vicente. Son of Antonio Mendes e DONA Maria de Franca. Married in 1728 with DONA Maria Telo de Menezes 8) Francisco Gois de Carvalho - married in 1664 in S Vicente with Maria Francisca. Father of Alvaro Gomes (Born in 1671) 9) Miguel Mendes - Married Isabel de Ponte in Seixal. Father of Manuel de Ponte (1646) and Domingos de Ponte (1656) 10) Vasco Moniz de Menezes - married in S Vicente in 1684 with DONA Crispina de Menezes 11) Manuel Nunes da Costa - Born in Seixal in 1685, Son of Manuel da Costa (1658) and Francisca Rodrigues. Married in 1717 Catarina de Ponte Teixeira 12) Manuel Pereira Brasao - Born in 1767 in Seixal. Son of Jose Pereira Brasao and Antonia Maria. Married in 1791 with Maria de Ponte Teixeira (1753), widow of Manuel Telo de Menezes. Father of Placido Pereira (born in 1792) 13) PESTANA - 6 menbers of this family 14) PONTE - 9 menbers of this family THANK YOU LEANDRO -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Manuel and Leonor were married about 1690 in Calheta, Madeira. I am a descendant of their son Antonio De Abreu, born in Calheta Madeira, Antonio Married Joana Da Silva February 20, 1713 in Ponta do Sol. Manuel and Leonor are in my 10th Generation. I do not have the names of Manuel or Leonors parents, so this is where this particular line of my Abreu ancestors ends. Calheta marriage records for 1678-1749 were missing at the time of this research,if you or anyone else can provide more it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi all.... I have an Abreu in my family. He was manuel de Abreu from Ponta do Sol (madeira Island) that married Leonor Fernandes and were the parents of Filipa Maria Sao Tiago born in 1689 anyone know anything about them?? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: papagaia2@sbcglobal.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou, According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo... "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. Os Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu que devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua vez, procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. Henrique e foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos com as vilas e lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de que foi senhor. Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. Afonso Henriques e fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o seu apelido, junto a Valenca do Minho." Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) and his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been very confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and corrections made. Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, maybe he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. Hope this helps. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Pat, Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the above. Cheers, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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Leandro, I do not have Antonio's birth date, I don't believe it was recorded. The researcher who provided this info just gave me that Manuel and Leonor were married abt 1690, however, it would seem that they were married either in 1689 or prior since you are a descendent of their daughter Filipa. Using a little rough math since Antonio was married in 1713, he would have been at least 20, thus that would put him around 1693 or before.......of course that is just a guess on my part.....do you know of any other children for Manuel and Leonor? Cheers, Lou.... "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou.... Wow....thats pretty amazing!!! so it means that we are related!!!!! Manuel de Abreu and Leonor Fernandes are in my 11th generation. What year their son was born?? the lady that i descend (Filipa Maria de Sao Tiago) was born in 1689. I have another Abreu in my family: Manuel Abreu de Macedo was born and married in Seixal in 1772 Maria Rosa Faria and are the parents of Vicencia Maria de Jesus (born in Seixal in 1772). Are we related thru them as well or not??? I also like to know if LOU OR ANYONE can tell me something about the following families: 1) Inacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias 2) Crispina da Camara - born in Porto Moniz. Married in 1698 Manuel da Costa and is the mother of Tomazia da Costa 3) Isabel de Castro - born in Calheta in 1664 daughter of Francisco Esteves and Ines Marques. Married in 1693 with Joao Duarte de Faria 4) Sebastiao de Castro Canha - Born in Seixal in 1685. Son of Manuel de castro Canha e Maria de Ponte. Married in 1709 with Clara Gomes 5) Antonio de Castro teixeira - born in Seixal in 1785. Son of Francisco castro Teixeira (1741) and Mariana Costa de Gouveia (1740). Married in 1812 with Maria Julia da Encarnacao 6) Vital Escorcio Drumond - Born in S Vicente in 1686. Son of Vasco Moniz de Menezes and DONA Crispina de Menezes. Married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade (1690) 7) Jose de Franca Vasconcelos - Born in S Vicente. Son of Antonio Mendes e DONA Maria de Franca. Married in 1728 with DONA Maria Telo de Menezes 8) Francisco Gois de Carvalho - married in 1664 in S Vicente with Maria Francisca. Father of Alvaro Gomes (Born in 1671) 9) Miguel Mendes - Married Isabel de Ponte in Seixal. Father of Manuel de Ponte (1646) and Domingos de Ponte (1656) 10) Vasco Moniz de Menezes - married in S Vicente in 1684 with DONA Crispina de Menezes 11) Manuel Nunes da Costa - Born in Seixal in 1685, Son of Manuel da Costa (1658) and Francisca Rodrigues. Married in 1717 Catarina de Ponte Teixeira 12) Manuel Pereira Brasao - Born in 1767 in Seixal. Son of Jose Pereira Brasao and Antonia Maria. Married in 1791 with Maria de Ponte Teixeira (1753), widow of Manuel Telo de Menezes. Father of Placido Pereira (born in 1792) 13) PESTANA - 6 menbers of this family 14) PONTE - 9 menbers of this family THANK YOU LEANDRO -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Manuel and Leonor were married about 1690 in Calheta, Madeira. I am a descendant of their son Antonio De Abreu, born in Calheta Madeira, Antonio Married Joana Da Silva February 20, 1713 in Ponta do Sol. Manuel and Leonor are in my 10th Generation. I do not have the names of Manuel or Leonors parents, so this is where this particular line of my Abreu ancestors ends. Calheta marriage records for 1678-1749 were missing at the time of this research,if you or anyone else can provide more it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi all.... I have an Abreu in my family. He was manuel de Abreu from Ponta do Sol (madeira Island) that married Leonor Fernandes and were the parents of Filipa Maria Sao Tiago born in 1689 anyone know anything about them?? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: papagaia2@sbcglobal.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou, According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo... "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. Os Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu que devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua vez, procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. Henrique e foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos com as vilas e lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de que foi senhor. Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. Afonso Henriques e fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o seu apelido, junto a Valenca do Minho." Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) and his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been very confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and corrections made. Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, maybe he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. Hope this helps. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Pat, Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the above. Cheers, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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Hi Luis...thats incredible!!!! Inacio Caldeira is my 9th great-grandfather. I descend from his daugther Josefa Rodrigues Caldeira that married in 1747 Manuel Nunes da Costa. Fom them i came from 2 different lines of their 2 sons: Antonio Nunes da Costa (b 1748) and also descend from Francisco Nunes (B 1769). Im so excited abou that...im going to spend 6 days in Madeira from dec,14. have u ever been there??? I cant wait to be in our ancestors land!!!! Tell me more what do u know about this family.... Take care Leandro -----Original Message----- From: luisbeal@yahoo.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:48:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA 1) Ignacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias ---Inacio is my 4th great grandfather on my mother's father's side. http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=luisbeal&id=I529 How are you related to him? Luis Beal gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Lou.... Wow....thats pretty amazing!!! so it means that we are related!!!!! Manuel de Abreu and Leonor Fernandes are in my 11th generation. What year their son was born?? the lady that i descend (Filipa Maria de Sao Tiago) was born in 1689. I have another Abreu in my family: Manuel Abreu de Macedo was born and married in Seixal in 1772 Maria Rosa Faria and are the parents of Vicencia Maria de Jesus (born in Seixal in 1772). Are we related thru them as well or not??? I also like to know if LOU OR ANYONE can tell me something about the following families: 1) Inacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias 2) Crispina da Camara - born in Porto Moniz. Married in 1698 Manuel da Costa and is the mother of Tomazia da Costa 3) Isabel de Castro - born in Calheta in 1664 daughter of Francisco Esteves and Ines Marques. Married in 1693 with Joao Duarte de Faria 4) Sebastiao de Castro Canha - Born in Seixal in 1685. Son of Manuel de castro Canha e Maria de Ponte. Married in 1709 with Clara Gomes 5) Antonio de Castro teixeira - born in Seixal in 1785. Son of Francisco castro Teixeira (1741) and Mariana Costa de Gouveia (1740). Married in 1812 with Maria Julia da Encarnacao 6) Vital Escorcio Drumond - Born in S Vicente in 1686. Son of Vasco Moniz de Menezes and DONA Crispina de Menezes. Married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade (1690) 7) Jose de Franca Vasconcelos - Born in S Vicente. Son of Antonio Mendes e DONA Maria de Franca. Married in 1728 with DONA Maria Telo de Menezes 8) Francisco Gois de Carvalho - married in 1664 in S Vicente with Maria Francisca. Father of Alvaro Gomes (Born in 1671) 9) Miguel Mendes - Married Isabel de Ponte in Seixal. Father of Manuel de Ponte (1646) and Domingos de Ponte (1656) 10) Vasco Moniz de Menezes - married in S Vicente in 1684 with DONA Crispina de Menezes 11) Manuel Nunes da Costa - Born in Seixal in 1685, Son of Manuel da Costa (1658) and Francisca Rodrigues. Married in 1717 Catarina de Ponte Teixeira 12) Manuel Pereira Brasao - Born in 1767 in Seixal. Son of Jose Pereira Brasao and Antonia Maria. Married in 1791 with Maria de Ponte Teixeira (1753), widow of Manuel Telo de Menezes. Father of Placido Pereira (born in 1792) 13) PESTANA - 6 menbers of this family 14) PONTE - 9 menbers of this family THANK YOU LEANDRO -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Manuel and Leonor were married about 1690 in Calheta, Madeira. I am a descendant of their son Antonio De Abreu, born in Calheta Madeira, Antonio Married Joana Da Silva February 20, 1713 in Ponta do Sol. Manuel and Leonor are in my 10th Generation. I do not have the names of Manuel or Leonors parents, so this is where this particular line of my Abreu ancestors ends. Calheta marriage records for 1678-1749 were missing at the time of this research,if you or anyone else can provide more it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi all.... I have an Abreu in my family. He was manuel de Abreu from Ponta do Sol (madeira Island) that married Leonor Fernandes and were the parents of Filipa Maria Sao Tiago born in 1689 anyone know anything about them?? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: papagaia2@sbcglobal.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou, According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo... "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. Os Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu que devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua vez, procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. Henrique e foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos com as vilas e lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de que foi senhor. Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. Afonso Henriques e fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o seu apelido, junto a Valenca do Minho." Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) and his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been very confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and corrections made. Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, maybe he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. Hope this helps. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Pat, Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the above. Cheers, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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1) Ignacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias ---Inacio is my 4th great grandfather on my mother's father's side. http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=luisbeal&id=I529 How are you related to him? Luis Beal gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Lou.... Wow....thats pretty amazing!!! so it means that we are related!!!!! Manuel de Abreu and Leonor Fernandes are in my 11th generation. What year their son was born?? the lady that i descend (Filipa Maria de Sao Tiago) was born in 1689. I have another Abreu in my family: Manuel Abreu de Macedo was born and married in Seixal in 1772 Maria Rosa Faria and are the parents of Vicencia Maria de Jesus (born in Seixal in 1772). Are we related thru them as well or not??? I also like to know if LOU OR ANYONE can tell me something about the following families: 1) Inacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias 2) Crispina da Camara - born in Porto Moniz. Married in 1698 Manuel da Costa and is the mother of Tomazia da Costa 3) Isabel de Castro - born in Calheta in 1664 daughter of Francisco Esteves and Ines Marques. Married in 1693 with Joao Duarte de Faria 4) Sebastiao de Castro Canha - Born in Seixal in 1685. Son of Manuel de castro Canha e Maria de Ponte. Married in 1709 with Clara Gomes 5) Antonio de Castro teixeira - born in Seixal in 1785. Son of Francisco castro Teixeira (1741) and Mariana Costa de Gouveia (1740). Married in 1812 with Maria Julia da Encarnacao 6) Vital Escorcio Drumond - Born in S Vicente in 1686. Son of Vasco Moniz de Menezes and DONA Crispina de Menezes. Married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade (1690) 7) Jose de Franca Vasconcelos - Born in S Vicente. Son of Antonio Mendes e DONA Maria de Franca. Married in 1728 with DONA Maria Telo de Menezes 8) Francisco Gois de Carvalho - married in 1664 in S Vicente with Maria Francisca. Father of Alvaro Gomes (Born in 1671) 9) Miguel Mendes - Married Isabel de Ponte in Seixal. Father of Manuel de Ponte (1646) and Domingos de Ponte (1656) 10) Vasco Moniz de Menezes - married in S Vicente in 1684 with DONA Crispina de Menezes 11) Manuel Nunes da Costa - Born in Seixal in 1685, Son of Manuel da Costa (1658) and Francisca Rodrigues. Married in 1717 Catarina de Ponte Teixeira 12) Manuel Pereira Brasao - Born in 1767 in Seixal. Son of Jose Pereira Brasao and Antonia Maria. Married in 1791 with Maria de Ponte Teixeira (1753), widow of Manuel Telo de Menezes. Father of Placido Pereira (born in 1792) 13) PESTANA - 6 menbers of this family 14) PONTE - 9 menbers of this family THANK YOU LEANDRO -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Manuel and Leonor were married about 1690 in Calheta, Madeira. I am a descendant of their son Antonio De Abreu, born in Calheta Madeira, Antonio Married Joana Da Silva February 20, 1713 in Ponta do Sol. Manuel and Leonor are in my 10th Generation. I do not have the names of Manuel or Leonors parents, so this is where this particular line of my Abreu ancestors ends. Calheta marriage records for 1678-1749 were missing at the time of this research,if you or anyone else can provide more it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi all.... I have an Abreu in my family. He was manuel de Abreu from Ponta do Sol (madeira Island) that married Leonor Fernandes and were the parents of Filipa Maria Sao Tiago born in 1689 anyone know anything about them?? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: papagaia2@sbcglobal.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou, According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo... "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. Os Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu que devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua vez, procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. Henrique e foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos com as vilas e lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de que foi senhor. Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. Afonso Henriques e fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o seu apelido, junto a Valenca do Minho." Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) and his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been very confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and corrections made. Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, maybe he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. Hope this helps. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Pat, Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the above. Cheers, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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