Thanks for the response John. Denise In a message dated 1/12/2007 11:00:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jroias@rogers.com writes: Those would be an inventory listing all the assets and property of a person when they died, if such was registered with the civil authorities. I haven't seen one yet, but I believe it contains names of relatives and thus helps to establish relationships. JR

Denise: The fun begins. My mother in law was Theresa deNobrega from Camacha. Her family members still exist there and have a store, bar, and one cousin now owns the wicker factory and is the "mayor". My sister is married to an Ornellas and they also reside in Camacha. In 1906 - 8 - 9, some of those famillies went to Hawaii and later to the U.S. Their lives have been very interesting and we marvel at how they were able to find their way through to the U.S. Germano Ornellas was my brother in laws grandfather. They also are related to the Miranda family. The Goveia family lived here also and followed the same route through Hawaii. Some Freitas lived in San Leandro however many of those mentioned here have sadly passed away. Nice place Camacha. Happy people, musical and dancers. There is a bust of a A. Ornellas in the plaza there and he is a noble man who was from Camacha and at one time quite prominent. Best wishes Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <Denise1270@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Archivo Regional da Madeira website > > Hi Margaret, > > I have been to Madeira before and I looked in the phone book while there. > There had to be about 7 pages of Freitas listings. We also have Nobrega and > Ornelas in our family too. > > Denise > > In a message dated 1/11/2007 8:56:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > marpg2000@comcast.net writes: > > Denise; > > my in laws were from Camacha, Madeira and there are plenty of Freitas > members there. Also you will find that Germano was a somewhat common first > name there. De Nobrega, Freitas, Goveia, Ornellas are some common names in > Madeira and Camacha. > > Margaret > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, Yes I did, Thank you so much. Hope your Holidays were good. Cheers, Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:38 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Gomes Abreu -- DNA Lou, Did you receive this message that I posted in Nov. 2006? Pat Silva Corbera ----- Original Message ----- From: "papagaia2" <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA > Hi Lou, > According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da > Madeira e do Porto Santo... > "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. Os > Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu > casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao > Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." > "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem > fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu que > devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua > vez, procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. > Henrique e foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos > com as vilas e lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de > que foi senhor. Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. > Afonso Henriques e fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o > seu apelido, junto a Valenca do Minho." > > Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th > ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) > and his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been > very confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and > corrections made. > Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, > maybe he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. > > Hope this helps. > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA > > > Pat, > Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe > her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had > great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me > the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the > above. > > Cheers, > Lou > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Those would be an inventory listing all the assets and property of a person when they died, if such was registered with the civil authorities. I haven't seen one yet, but I believe it contains names of relatives and thus helps to establish relationships. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: <Denise1270@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Archivo Regional da Madeira website Hi Jose, What are on the inventarios?? Denise D'Antona In a message dated 1/11/2007 12:57:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca writes: Thanks Denise. I just checked the Arquivo and if you can it is worth a visit. It was recently updated. It should have been within the last month. It now contains many "inventarios" on PDF file, beyond Baptisms and Marriages. Unfortunately, for some, it is still all in Portuguese. Have a nice day. José ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, I now wish I had gone ahead and visited the cemetery in the Calheta. Thank you for your input. Pat Silva Corbera California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <david-nancy.degrella@juno.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Infant's Death Record Pat, No we did not view any cemetery records. The visit to the cemetery was not planned. We just happened upon it while walking. The cemetery was small and surrounded by a wall. For some graves, the markers were an iron fence with a flat metal sign with the name, etc. of the deceased painted on it. There was a glass encloses for mementoes. Apparently these markers are reused. To one side of the cemetery were a row of stone crypts with multiple plaques giving names of deceased persons. This appears to be where the remains are moved when a burial site is needed for a newly deceased person. David DeGrella Tennessee USA On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:47:09 -0800 (PST) Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> writes: > When my husband and I were in the Calheta in 1992, I wanted to visit > the cemetery there, but our relatives said that most of our family > members were no longer buried there. They were rather vague about > the subject, so I didn't get to visit the cemetery. > David were you able to view cemetery records ? > Pat Silve Corbera > California USA > david-nancy.degrella@juno.com wrote: > I had read that the grave sites are reused after about 15 years. > It may > depend upon the need. When I visited the cemetery in Arco da > Calheta > during our trip to Madeira, I saw some graves close to 30 years > old. > David DeGrella > Tennessee USA > On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:55:06 -0800 "papagaia2" > > writes: > > Maybe someone can shed some light on how long a grave site/plot is > > > kept in > > Madeira. I have heard that sites/plots are only kept for 7 years. > > > If > > that's true what then happens with the remains in that site/plot? > > Pat Silva Corbera > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Luis Beal" > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Infant's Death Record > > > > > > As far as I am aware only records up to 1911 have been made > public. > > Anything > > after that you have to either go the the vital records office or > to > > the > > cemetery. > > Luis Beal > > > > > > > > I am researching a young ancestor who died in about 1929 in > Madeira > > (Funchal > > I believe). I do not know the child's name...in fact I know > nothing > > else > > other than the child was a little boy. I do have information about > > > his > > parents. > > > > The father was António Barros da Silva born in about 1892 in > Madeira > > and > > voyaged to Massachusetts, U.S.A. where he met Senhorinha de Lima > > (native of > > Graciosa), my father's first cousin . They were married 4 November > > > 1916 and > > at some point returned to live on Madeira where their child was > born > > in > > about 1929. After he died at about 6 months of age, António and > > Senhorinha > > decided to return to Massachusetts to live. Further tragedy > > occurred in > > about 1934 when António and Senhorinha's daughter died at birth. > > They > > didn't have any other children. > > > > I feel a burden to record and preserve information about these > > children and > > would appreciate any information and help anyone can provide to > help > > me. > > > > Thank you, > > Greg Lima ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, No we did not view any cemetery records. The visit to the cemetery was not planned. We just happened upon it while walking. The cemetery was small and surrounded by a wall. For some graves, the markers were an iron fence with a flat metal sign with the name, etc. of the deceased painted on it. There was a glass encloses for mementoes. Apparently these markers are reused. To one side of the cemetery were a row of stone crypts with multiple plaques giving names of deceased persons. This appears to be where the remains are moved when a burial site is needed for a newly deceased person. David DeGrella Tennessee USA On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:47:09 -0800 (PST) Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> writes: > When my husband and I were in the Calheta in 1992, I wanted to visit > the cemetery there, but our relatives said that most of our family > members were no longer buried there. They were rather vague about > the subject, so I didn't get to visit the cemetery. > David were you able to view cemetery records ? > Pat Silve Corbera > California USA > david-nancy.degrella@juno.com wrote: > I had read that the grave sites are reused after about 15 years. > It may > depend upon the need. When I visited the cemetery in Arco da > Calheta > during our trip to Madeira, I saw some graves close to 30 years > old. > David DeGrella > Tennessee USA > On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:55:06 -0800 "papagaia2" > > writes: > > Maybe someone can shed some light on how long a grave site/plot is > > > kept in > > Madeira. I have heard that sites/plots are only kept for 7 years. > > > If > > that's true what then happens with the remains in that site/plot? > > Pat Silva Corbera > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Luis Beal" > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Infant's Death Record > > > > > > As far as I am aware only records up to 1911 have been made > public. > > Anything > > after that you have to either go the the vital records office or > to > > the > > cemetery. > > Luis Beal > > > > > > > > I am researching a young ancestor who died in about 1929 in > Madeira > > (Funchal > > I believe). I do not know the child's name...in fact I know > nothing > > else > > other than the child was a little boy. I do have information about > > > his > > parents. > > > > The father was António Barros da Silva born in about 1892 in > Madeira > > and > > voyaged to Massachusetts, U.S.A. where he met Senhorinha de Lima > > (native of > > Graciosa), my father's first cousin . They were married 4 November > > > 1916 and > > at some point returned to live on Madeira where their child was > born > > in > > about 1929. After he died at about 6 months of age, António and > > Senhorinha > > decided to return to Massachusetts to live. Further tragedy > > occurred in > > about 1934 when António and Senhorinha's daughter died at birth. > > They > > didn't have any other children. > > > > I feel a burden to record and preserve information about these > > children and > > would appreciate any information and help anyone can provide to > help > > me. > > > > Thank you, > > Greg Lima

Hi Jose, What are on the inventarios?? Denise D'Antona In a message dated 1/11/2007 12:57:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca writes: Thanks Denise. I just checked the Arquivo and if you can it is worth a visit. It was recently updated. It should have been within the last month. It now contains many "inventarios" on PDF file, beyond Baptisms and Marriages. Unfortunately, for some, it is still all in Portuguese. Have a nice day. José

Hi Janet.... On my family there are some clacas and 1 Gois de Carvalho..... how can i get that book that you mentione?? whats the title and wheres available??? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: janettechun@shaw.ca To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com; PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Hi Pat, Thank you for following up. I did not receive this message. I do have copies of the Calacas and the Calaca Medeiros volumes, however, it is the reference to the " to (the 'o' is superscript) de Gois de Mendonça' that I was curious about. For example, on page 420 of the Calacas Mideiros book, under Joao Maria Telo (listed top left-hand column) there is reference to this 'to de Gois de Mendonça. I would like to know what/where this information is. There are several references to this throughout the pages I have. I've tried the archive and they suspect it references Luiz Peter Clode's unfinished book. I think I just saw something on the newly updated archive site with this author's name, but haven't yet had any time to investigate. Any light that can be shed will be highly appreciated. Thanks again for all your help. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:37 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Jeanette, Not sure if you ever received this message that I posted in Nov. 2006. Please let me know if you did. Pat Silva Corbea ----- Original Message ----- From: "papagaia2" <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo > Janette, > The Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo by Conego Fernando de Menezes > Vaz with Notas de Dr. Ernesto Goncalves e Eng. Luis Peter Clode is an > unfinished work with limited surnames listed. Conego Menezes Vaz died > before completing this work. > > Aditamentos (additions/corrections & notas finais) are contained in Vol > 14 and 15. > Vol 1 thru 5 are "A" surnames > Vol 6 thru 10 are "B" surnames > Vol 11 thru the first part of Vol 13 are "C" surnames > The first few pages of Vol 14 contain information on the Calacas Miedeiros > family and ends there... > > If you let me know the Vol and page number that you are referring to I'll > be more than happy to look it up and see if I can help you with references > to pages that you do not have. > > To the best of my knowledge this publication is not available online, nor > on LDS film. > LDS does have film on "Registo Genealogico De Familias Que Passaram A > Madeira" > Film number 1183626 Item # 5. This publication is by Eng. Luiz Peter > Clode. > It's a listing/write-up for many surnames, and contains 485 pages. > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janette Chun > Sent: November 13, 2006 1:09 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo > > Hello, > I recently received a couple of pages from the Families of Madeira e Porto > Santo book with details of some of my ancestors. It's been a very exciting > discovery but I'm wondering if anyone can help me answer a couple of > questions. > > > > 1) Frequently after entries, there is a reference - e.g. em to de > Calaca or em to de Coelhos, etc. - what does this reference? > > 2) I've looked for the book online but have only been able to find it > at antiquarian book dealers - at a hefty price - title stipulates Vol. 1 - > how many volumes are there? > > 3) Is this book available online similar to the TOMO I, II, III and how > does this book differ from the TOMOs? > > > > > > Suggestions/feedback welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Janette Chun > > (Canada) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. > For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of > our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Thank you José! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fernandes, Jose" <jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca> > Canhas is a parish in Ponta do Sol. It is just north of the village. I suspect > you can get some detailed info from their website at www.cm-pontadosol.com > > Sitio is a neighbourhood. Levada is a small water channel. The south of Madeira > would not be able to have sustainable agriculture if it weren't for the levadas > which bring water from the north. That was one of our people's greatest > achievements (among others). Cova could refer to a small valley or something > surrounded. In Madeira it also means a cemetery plot or a hole in the ground. > Today, these places can still be identified, normally by older people. > > In the old days, outside of Funchal, there were a few street names. In village > centers such as in Machico, Santa Cruz or Porto Santo there were some street > names. Obviously today that has changed. > > Good luck on a detailed map! > > Cheers, > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of bpitta@comcast.net > Sent: January 11, 2007 1:00 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Area Designations > > The city? village? town? of Canhas appears to be divided into separate > geographical areas with names such as "no Sitio dos Saloes e Levada da > Magdalena", "no Sitio da Piedade", "no Cova da Fabrica", etc. Do these > represent street names, neighborhoods, or what? Where may I obtain a map > showing these designations? > Thank you. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I am researching a young ancestor who died in about 1929 in Madeira (Funchal I believe). I do not know the child's name...in fact I know nothing else other than the child was a little boy. I do have information about his parents. The father was António Barros da Silva born in about 1892 in Madeira and voyaged to Massachusetts, U.S.A. where he met Senhorinha de Lima (native of Graciosa), my father's first cousin . They were married 4 November 1916 and at some point returned to live on Madeira where their child was born in about 1929. After he died at about 6 months of age, António and Senhorinha decided to return to Massachusetts to live. Further tragedy occurred in about 1934 when António and Senhorinha's daughter died at birth. They didn't have any other children. I feel a burden to record and preserve information about these children and would appreciate any information and help anyone can provide to help me. Thank you, Greg Lima

Thanks Pat. Good luck to you too. I'll let you know if I come across something too. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:51 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Good Luck, and if I learn of anything I'll let you know... I sure know about "the back burner." I have so many irons in the fire now that I've started once again to research my Hispanic husband's family... just hope that the dear Lord sees fit in allowing me many more years on this earth to complete my many projects. Pat Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Thanks Pat. Yes I've also checked Noronha's work and got the same result. I haven't been on the Sapo site for a long while; I will try and take a look again. Sorry to say that I started looking at the files you sent me but had to put it on the back burner for a while (a long while it turns out) will have to pick up again. Thanks again for your help. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:46 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Hi Janette, I've posted a message on another list group that I participate in, hoping that someone on that group will supply source information. I've checked Noronha's work and didn't see the "Gois de Mendonca titulo listed... also check Genea Portugal (Sapo), there's a couple of individuals listed with Goes and Mendonca in their surnames, but I was unable to access the paid portion of that site for source information. Have you checked the publication that I transferred to you last summer? to be continued: Pat Silva Corbera Janette Chun wrote: Hi Pat, Thank you for following up. I did not receive this message. I do have copies of the Calacas and the Calaca Medeiros volumes, however, it is the reference to the " to (the 'o' is superscript) de Gois de Mendonça' that I was curious about. For example, on page 420 of the Calacas Mideiros book, under Joao Maria Telo (listed top left-hand column) there is reference to this 'to de Gois de Mendonça. I would like to know what/where this information is. There are several references to this throughout the pages I have. I've tried the archive and they suspect it references Luiz Peter Clode's unfinished book. I think I just saw something on the newly updated archive site with this author's name, but haven't yet had any time to investigate. Any light that can be shed will be highly appreciated. Thanks again for all your help. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:37 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Jeanette, Not sure if you ever received this message that I posted in Nov. 2006. Please let me know if you did. Pat Silva Corbea ----- Original Message ----- From: "papagaia2" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo > Janette, > The Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo by Conego Fernando de Menezes > Vaz with Notas de Dr. Ernesto Goncalves e Eng. Luis Peter Clode is an > unfinished work with limited surnames listed. Conego Menezes Vaz died > before completing this work. > > Aditamentos (additions/corrections & notas finais) are contained in Vol > 14 and 15. > Vol 1 thru 5 are "A" surnames > Vol 6 thru 10 are "B" surnames > Vol 11 thru the first part of Vol 13 are "C" surnames > The first few pages of Vol 14 contain information on the Calacas Miedeiros > family and ends there... > > If you let me know the Vol and page number that you are referring to I'll > be more than happy to look it up and see if I can help you with references > to pages that you do not have. > > To the best of my knowledge this publication is not available online, nor > on LDS film. > LDS does have film on "Registo Genealogico De Familias Que Passaram A > Madeira" > Film number 1183626 Item # 5. This publication is by Eng. Luiz Peter > Clode. > It's a listing/write-up for many surnames, and contains 485 pages. > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janette Chun > Sent: November 13, 2006 1:09 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo > > Hello, > I recently received a couple of pages from the Families of Madeira e Porto > Santo book with details of some of my ancestors. It's been a very exciting > discovery but I'm wondering if anyone can help me answer a couple of > questions. > > > > 1) Frequently after entries, there is a reference - e.g. em to de > Calaca or em to de Coelhos, etc. - what does this reference? > > 2) I've looked for the book online but have only been able to find it > at antiquarian book dealers - at a hefty price - title stipulates Vol. 1 - > how many volumes are there? > > 3) Is this book available online similar to the TOMO I, II, III and how > does this book differ from the TOMOs? > > > > > > Suggestions/feedback welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Janette Chun > > (Canada) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. > For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of > our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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I had read that the grave sites are reused after about 15 years. It may depend upon the need. When I visited the cemetery in Arco da Calheta during our trip to Madeira, I saw some graves close to 30 years old. David DeGrella Tennessee USA On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:55:06 -0800 "papagaia2" <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> writes: > Maybe someone can shed some light on how long a grave site/plot is > kept in > Madeira. I have heard that sites/plots are only kept for 7 years. > If > that's true what then happens with the remains in that site/plot? > Pat Silva Corbera > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Infant's Death Record > > > As far as I am aware only records up to 1911 have been made public. > Anything > after that you have to either go the the vital records office or to > the > cemetery. > Luis Beal > > > > I am researching a young ancestor who died in about 1929 in Madeira > (Funchal > I believe). I do not know the child's name...in fact I know nothing > else > other than the child was a little boy. I do have information about > his > parents. > > The father was António Barros da Silva born in about 1892 in Madeira > and > voyaged to Massachusetts, U.S.A. where he met Senhorinha de Lima > (native of > Graciosa), my father's first cousin . They were married 4 November > 1916 and > at some point returned to live on Madeira where their child was born > in > about 1929. After he died at about 6 months of age, António and > Senhorinha > decided to return to Massachusetts to live. Further tragedy > occurred in > about 1934 when António and Senhorinha's daughter died at birth. > They > didn't have any other children. > > I feel a burden to record and preserve information about these > children and > would appreciate any information and help anyone can provide to help > me. > > Thank you, > Greg Lima > -------------------------------

Yo tengo a Jacinta de Freitas que se caso con José Pereira en 1897, en Santa Cruz 2007/1/11, Cheryl Hamm <hammc@localnet.com>: > > Hi Denise, > > I am researching Freitas from Madeira... I have Germano de FREITAS and > Carlota JOQUNA; Joao de FREITAS (1846-1900) and Silvania Baptista da > CONCEICAO (B: abt 1853); Luiza de FREITAS (1870-1951) and Querino > FERNANDES > (D: 1896) > > Please let me know if that fits into your research. These folks all ended > up in Hawaii (I don't know on Germano and Carlota) > > Thanks, > > Cheryl Hamm > hammc@localnet.com > 215-826-0833 > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Denise1270@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:14 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com; defreitas-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Archivo Regional da Madeira website > > Hello all, > > I don't know when this was done but the Archivo Regional da Madeira > website > > has been updated. The Bases de Dados now includes Passports and Baptims. > It > previously only had the Marriages. In the baptism section it actually > gives > the date of the baptism, marriages just the year. > > Here is the link for anyone interested. > _http://62.48.223.202/homepage.php?lang=0_ > (http://62.48.223.202/homepage.php?lang=0) > > Also, is anyone out there researching Freitas from Sao Martinho, Madeira? > I > have recently added quite a bit more information to my tree and would > love > to try and connect with any cousins out there... > > Denise D'Antona > > Freitas, Goncalves de Freitas, Silva, Pinto, Gomes - Sao Martinho > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The city? village? town? of Canhas appears to be divided into separate geographical areas with names such as "no Sitio dos Saloes e Levada da Magdalena", "no Sitio da Piedade", "no Cova da Fabrica", etc. Do these represent street names, neighborhoods, or what? Where may I obtain a map showing these designations? Thank you.

Denise; my in laws were from Camacha, Madeira and there are plenty of Freitas members there. Also you will find that Germano was a somewhat common first name there. De Nobrega, Freitas, Goveia, Ornellas are some common names in Madeira and Camacha. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <Denise1270@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Archivo Regional da Madeira website > > Hi Cheryl, > > I don't seem to have the names you mentioned. Do you know where they were > from on Madeira? > > Denise D'Antona > > In a message dated 1/11/2007 4:12:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > hammc@localnet.com writes: > > Hi Denise, > > I am researching Freitas from Madeira... I have Germano de FREITAS and > Carlota JOQUNA; Joao de FREITAS (1846-1900) and Silvania Baptista da > CONCEICAO (B: abt 1853); Luiza de FREITAS (1870-1951) and Querino FERNANDES > (D: 1896) > > Please let me know if that fits into your research. These folks all ended > up in Hawaii (I don't know on Germano and Carlota) > > Thanks, > > Cheryl Hamm > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was told in the Azores that after 7 years the remains are replaced by another body. It was unclear what happened with the older remains. You can purchase a plot and it remains untouched. I also saw that in the small buildings that were family resting places, there were small very polished small casks that held the remains of members who had been replaced in the ground by later arrivals. Also f a chemical is spread on the remains of a new arrival in the buildings to decompose the body. The caskets are in plain view and very well kept. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <david-nancy.degrella@juno.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Infant's Death Record I had read that the grave sites are reused after about 15 years. It may depend upon the need. When I visited the cemetery in Arco da Calheta during our trip to Madeira, I saw some graves close to 30 years old. David DeGrella Tennessee USA On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:55:06 -0800 "papagaia2" <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> writes: > Maybe someone can shed some light on how long a grave site/plot is > kept in > Madeira. I have heard that sites/plots are only kept for 7 years. > If > that's true what then happens with the remains in that site/plot? > Pat Silva Corbera > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Infant's Death Record > > > As far as I am aware only records up to 1911 have been made public. > Anything > after that you have to either go the the vital records office or to > the > cemetery. > Luis Beal > > > > I am researching a young ancestor who died in about 1929 in Madeira > (Funchal > I believe). I do not know the child's name...in fact I know nothing > else > other than the child was a little boy. I do have information about > his > parents. > > The father was António Barros da Silva born in about 1892 in Madeira > and > voyaged to Massachusetts, U.S.A. where he met Senhorinha de Lima > (native of > Graciosa), my father's first cousin . They were married 4 November > 1916 and > at some point returned to live on Madeira where their child was born > in > about 1929. After he died at about 6 months of age, António and > Senhorinha > decided to return to Massachusetts to live. Further tragedy > occurred in > about 1934 when António and Senhorinha's daughter died at birth. > They > didn't have any other children. > > I feel a burden to record and preserve information about these > children and > would appreciate any information and help anyone can provide to help > me. > > Thank you, > Greg Lima > ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Luck, and if I learn of anything I'll let you know... I sure know about "the back burner." I have so many irons in the fire now that I've started once again to research my Hispanic husband's family... just hope that the dear Lord sees fit in allowing me many more years on this earth to complete my many projects. Pat Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Thanks Pat. Yes I've also checked Noronha's work and got the same result. I haven't been on the Sapo site for a long while; I will try and take a look again. Sorry to say that I started looking at the files you sent me but had to put it on the back burner for a while (a long while it turns out) will have to pick up again. Thanks again for your help. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:46 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Hi Janette, I've posted a message on another list group that I participate in, hoping that someone on that group will supply source information. I've checked Noronha's work and didn't see the "Gois de Mendonca titulo listed... also check Genea Portugal (Sapo), there's a couple of individuals listed with Goes and Mendonca in their surnames, but I was unable to access the paid portion of that site for source information. Have you checked the publication that I transferred to you last summer? to be continued: Pat Silva Corbera Janette Chun wrote: Hi Pat, Thank you for following up. I did not receive this message. I do have copies of the Calacas and the Calaca Medeiros volumes, however, it is the reference to the " to (the 'o' is superscript) de Gois de Mendonça' that I was curious about. For example, on page 420 of the Calacas Mideiros book, under Joao Maria Telo (listed top left-hand column) there is reference to this 'to de Gois de Mendonça. I would like to know what/where this information is. There are several references to this throughout the pages I have. I've tried the archive and they suspect it references Luiz Peter Clode's unfinished book. I think I just saw something on the newly updated archive site with this author's name, but haven't yet had any time to investigate. Any light that can be shed will be highly appreciated. Thanks again for all your help. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:37 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Jeanette, Not sure if you ever received this message that I posted in Nov. 2006. Please let me know if you did. Pat Silva Corbea ----- Original Message ----- From: "papagaia2" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo > Janette, > The Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo by Conego Fernando de Menezes > Vaz with Notas de Dr. Ernesto Goncalves e Eng. Luis Peter Clode is an > unfinished work with limited surnames listed. Conego Menezes Vaz died > before completing this work. > > Aditamentos (additions/corrections & notas finais) are contained in Vol > 14 and 15. > Vol 1 thru 5 are "A" surnames > Vol 6 thru 10 are "B" surnames > Vol 11 thru the first part of Vol 13 are "C" surnames > The first few pages of Vol 14 contain information on the Calacas Miedeiros > family and ends there... > > If you let me know the Vol and page number that you are referring to I'll > be more than happy to look it up and see if I can help you with references > to pages that you do not have. > > To the best of my knowledge this publication is not available online, nor > on LDS film. > LDS does have film on "Registo Genealogico De Familias Que Passaram A > Madeira" > Film number 1183626 Item # 5. This publication is by Eng. Luiz Peter > Clode. > It's a listing/write-up for many surnames, and contains 485 pages. > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janette Chun > Sent: November 13, 2006 1:09 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo > > Hello, > I recently received a couple of pages from the Families of Madeira e Porto > Santo book with details of some of my ancestors. It's been a very exciting > discovery but I'm wondering if anyone can help me answer a couple of > questions. > > > > 1) Frequently after entries, there is a reference - e.g. em to de > Calaca or em to de Coelhos, etc. - what does this reference? > > 2) I've looked for the book online but have only been able to find it > at antiquarian book dealers - at a hefty price - title stipulates Vol. 1 - > how many volumes are there? > > 3) Is this book available online similar to the TOMO I, II, III and how > does this book differ from the TOMOs? > > > > > > Suggestions/feedback welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Janette Chun > > (Canada) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. > For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of > our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When my husband and I were in the Calheta in 1992, I wanted to visit the cemetery there, but our relatives said that most of our family members were no longer buried there. They were rather vague about the subject, so I didn't get to visit the cemetery. David were you able to view cemetery records ? Pat Silve Corbera California USA david-nancy.degrella@juno.com wrote: I had read that the grave sites are reused after about 15 years. It may depend upon the need. When I visited the cemetery in Arco da Calheta during our trip to Madeira, I saw some graves close to 30 years old. David DeGrella Tennessee USA On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:55:06 -0800 "papagaia2" writes: > Maybe someone can shed some light on how long a grave site/plot is > kept in > Madeira. I have heard that sites/plots are only kept for 7 years. > If > that's true what then happens with the remains in that site/plot? > Pat Silva Corbera > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Beal" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Infant's Death Record > > > As far as I am aware only records up to 1911 have been made public. > Anything > after that you have to either go the the vital records office or to > the > cemetery. > Luis Beal > > > > I am researching a young ancestor who died in about 1929 in Madeira > (Funchal > I believe). I do not know the child's name...in fact I know nothing > else > other than the child was a little boy. I do have information about > his > parents. > > The father was António Barros da Silva born in about 1892 in Madeira > and > voyaged to Massachusetts, U.S.A. where he met Senhorinha de Lima > (native of > Graciosa), my father's first cousin . They were married 4 November > 1916 and > at some point returned to live on Madeira where their child was born > in > about 1929. After he died at about 6 months of age, António and > Senhorinha > decided to return to Massachusetts to live. Further tragedy > occurred in > about 1934 when António and Senhorinha's daughter died at birth. > They > didn't have any other children. > > I feel a burden to record and preserve information about these > children and > would appreciate any information and help anyone can provide to help > me. > > Thank you, > Greg Lima > ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have asked this same question from family who live on the island but haven't been given a definitive answer. I'll follow up again and see if I can get an answer. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david-nancy.degrella@juno.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:35 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Infant's Death Record I had read that the grave sites are reused after about 15 years. It may depend upon the need. When I visited the cemetery in Arco da Calheta during our trip to Madeira, I saw some graves close to 30 years old. David DeGrella Tennessee USA On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:55:06 -0800 "papagaia2" <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> writes: > Maybe someone can shed some light on how long a grave site/plot is > kept in > Madeira. I have heard that sites/plots are only kept for 7 years. > If > that's true what then happens with the remains in that site/plot? > Pat Silva Corbera > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Infant's Death Record > > > As far as I am aware only records up to 1911 have been made public. > Anything > after that you have to either go the the vital records office or to > the > cemetery. > Luis Beal > > > > I am researching a young ancestor who died in about 1929 in Madeira > (Funchal > I believe). I do not know the child's name...in fact I know nothing > else > other than the child was a little boy. I do have information about > his > parents. > > The father was António Barros da Silva born in about 1892 in Madeira > and > voyaged to Massachusetts, U.S.A. where he met Senhorinha de Lima > (native of > Graciosa), my father's first cousin . They were married 4 November > 1916 and > at some point returned to live on Madeira where their child was born > in > about 1929. After he died at about 6 months of age, António and > Senhorinha > decided to return to Massachusetts to live. Further tragedy > occurred in > about 1934 when António and Senhorinha's daughter died at birth. > They > didn't have any other children. > > I feel a burden to record and preserve information about these > children and > would appreciate any information and help anyone can provide to help > me. > > Thank you, > Greg Lima > ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Pat. Yes I've also checked Noronha's work and got the same result. I haven't been on the Sapo site for a long while; I will try and take a look again. Sorry to say that I started looking at the files you sent me but had to put it on the back burner for a while (a long while it turns out) will have to pick up again. Thanks again for your help. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:46 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Hi Janette, I've posted a message on another list group that I participate in, hoping that someone on that group will supply source information. I've checked Noronha's work and didn't see the "Gois de Mendonca titulo listed... also check Genea Portugal (Sapo), there's a couple of individuals listed with Goes and Mendonca in their surnames, but I was unable to access the paid portion of that site for source information. Have you checked the publication that I transferred to you last summer? to be continued: Pat Silva Corbera Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Hi Pat, Thank you for following up. I did not receive this message. I do have copies of the Calacas and the Calaca Medeiros volumes, however, it is the reference to the " to (the 'o' is superscript) de Gois de Mendonça' that I was curious about. For example, on page 420 of the Calacas Mideiros book, under Joao Maria Telo (listed top left-hand column) there is reference to this 'to de Gois de Mendonça. I would like to know what/where this information is. There are several references to this throughout the pages I have. I've tried the archive and they suspect it references Luiz Peter Clode's unfinished book. I think I just saw something on the newly updated archive site with this author's name, but haven't yet had any time to investigate. Any light that can be shed will be highly appreciated. Thanks again for all your help. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:37 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Jeanette, Not sure if you ever received this message that I posted in Nov. 2006. Please let me know if you did. Pat Silva Corbea ----- Original Message ----- From: "papagaia2" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo > Janette, > The Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo by Conego Fernando de Menezes > Vaz with Notas de Dr. Ernesto Goncalves e Eng. Luis Peter Clode is an > unfinished work with limited surnames listed. Conego Menezes Vaz died > before completing this work. > > Aditamentos (additions/corrections & notas finais) are contained in Vol > 14 and 15. > Vol 1 thru 5 are "A" surnames > Vol 6 thru 10 are "B" surnames > Vol 11 thru the first part of Vol 13 are "C" surnames > The first few pages of Vol 14 contain information on the Calacas Miedeiros > family and ends there... > > If you let me know the Vol and page number that you are referring to I'll > be more than happy to look it up and see if I can help you with references > to pages that you do not have. > > To the best of my knowledge this publication is not available online, nor > on LDS film. > LDS does have film on "Registo Genealogico De Familias Que Passaram A > Madeira" > Film number 1183626 Item # 5. This publication is by Eng. Luiz Peter > Clode. > It's a listing/write-up for many surnames, and contains 485 pages. > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janette Chun > Sent: November 13, 2006 1:09 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo > > Hello, > I recently received a couple of pages from the Families of Madeira e Porto > Santo book with details of some of my ancestors. It's been a very exciting > discovery but I'm wondering if anyone can help me answer a couple of > questions. > > > > 1) Frequently after entries, there is a reference - e.g. em to de > Calaca or em to de Coelhos, etc. - what does this reference? > > 2) I've looked for the book online but have only been able to find it > at antiquarian book dealers - at a hefty price - title stipulates Vol. 1 - > how many volumes are there? > > 3) Is this book available online similar to the TOMO I, II, III and how > does this book differ from the TOMOs? > > > > > > Suggestions/feedback welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Janette Chun > > (Canada) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. > For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of > our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message