I never got the accents to work properly in ms Word or PAF from this original message. However, I found that this works in MS Word and PAF: Keyboard shortcuts for international characters For keyboard shortcuts in which you press two or more keys simultaneously, the keys to press are separated by a plus sign (+) in Microsoft Word Help. For keyboard shortcuts in which you press one key immediately followed by another key, the keys to press are separated by a comma (,). To type a lowercase character using a key combination that includes the SHIFT key, hold down the CTRL+SHIFT+symbol keys simultaneously, and then release them before typing the letter. Press CTRL+` (ACCENT GRAVE), the letter à, è, ì, ò, ù, À, È, Ì, Ò, Ù CTRL+' (APOSTROPHE), the letter á, é, í, ó, ú, ý Á, É, Í, Ó, Ú, Ý CTRL+SHIFT+^ (CARET), the letter â, ê, î, ô, û Â, Ê, Î, Ô, Û CTRL+SHIFT+~ (TILDE), the letter ã, ñ, õ Ã, Ñ, Õ CTRL+SHIFT+: (COLON), the letter ä, ë, ï, ö, ü, ÿ, Ä, Ë, Ï, Ö, Ü, Ÿ CTRL+SHIFT+@, a or A å, Å CTRL+SHIFT+&, a or A æ, Æ CTRL+SHIFT+&, o or O œ, Œ CTRL+, (COMMA), c or C ç, Ç CTRL+' (APOSTROPHE), d or D ð, Ð CTRL+/, o or O ø, Ø ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+? ¿ ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+! ¡ CTRL+SHIFT+&, s ß The character code, ALT+X The Unicode character for the specified Unicode (hexadecimal) character code. For example, to insert the euro currency symbol (), type 20AC, and then hold down the ALT key and press X. ALT+the character code (on the numeric keypad) The ANSI character for the specified ANSI (decimal) character code. For example, to insert the euro currency symbol, hold down the ALT key and press 0128 on the numeric keypad. Note If you type extensively in another language, you may prefer to switch to a different keyboard instead. Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: bpitta@comcast.net [mailto:bpitta@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:46 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Accents Awhile back, someone posted the following information which has been very beneficial to me in imputing accurate family tree information : Number Lock on. ã = Press the ALT key while typing the numbers 0227. ç = ALT 0231 é = ALT 0233 ó = ALT 0243 á = ALT 0225 Can someone tell me the codes for the same letter/accents in CAPITAL letters? Any additional codes or language input methods will be appreciated as well. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Margaret.... I have a few ancestors that comes from Campanario...among them are: Simao Gomes Guedes that married in 1626 Ines Fernandes. That Simao is the son of Luis Gomes Guedes Filho married in 1585 Francisca Duarte (from Tabua, where i have many ancestors by the way). Ines Fernandes was the daugther of Manuel Fernandes and Ana Goncalves (both from Campanario) Among my Abreu ancestors are Manuel Abreu from Ponta do Sol (not far from Campanario) that amrried with leonor Rodrigues and are the parents of Filipa Sao Tiago (born in 1689, my ancestor) and her brother Antonio de Abreu. Also have some Abreu de Macedo from Ribeira Brava and Abreu de Sa from Lugar da Serra. >From Faria family, this part comes from Sao Martinho (Funchal) in the early 17th century. do you have your whole family tree done?? until which year?? Im sure we probably are related in some point...the task is just find out with which ancestor :) Leandro

Patricia Corbera wrote: > I sent an e-mail to the ARM, asking if they had a new e-mail address for Sr. Mello. When I get their reply, I will post it. I haven't had contact with Sr. Mello in a couple of years, hope he is ok. He's very good at what he does, and I highly recommend him. Pat > > Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat... > > If you send the email, let me know if it went thru ok?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Pat, He sent us an e-mail sometime back saying he was retiring and would no longer be available for research. He finished most of Donna's lines with pai incognito but a few remain unfinished. I hope someone comes along someday to continue his work. Scot

`Leandro: Here in Oakland, Ca., there were many Telo, Telles, Drumonds, Nobrega, de Nobregas and more. They were our neighbors. All from Madeira. Sao Vicente, Machico, Santa Ana, Porto Santo, Camacha, however they have all passed away. Many went to Hawaii and on to California and Oakland and attended the same church. We had a large Portuguese community here and attended many of the same festas together. Madeira picnics, and they formed their own lodge. They were a very happy group and their children met and married and so it is an extended group of families. The Madeira lodge is still active however not as large as it once was. The elders are gone and the young people donot come from Madeira to perpetua the lodge. Their number is dwindling however there is one lady who is quite active and is 94. They came here and were very actilve in this area. We now have a Portuguese mayor in San Leandro and we are very happy with the work that he has done. My grandmother in Campanario was a d'Abreu Faria however I didnot see a connection in your e-mail. Difficult to trace. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gregobhte1@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Drumond family > > Hi Margaret..... > > Very interesting story really!!! Funny enough this Vital Escorcio Drumond > (b.1686) from Sao Vicente (my 11 Great-grandfather) married in 1706 with Maria > Teixeira de Andrade andtheir son is Francisco TELO de Figueiro (b. 1714) > whom married Ana Rosa de Jesus in 1737 were the parents of Manuel TELO de > Meneses (B.1747) that married Maria de Ponte Pereira (from the Pereira Brasao > family). They were the parents of Manuel Telo de Meneses (b.1772) that married in > 1796 with Ana Ursula Sao Jose (Ferreira de Abreu family from Calheta). They > had Francisco Telo de Meneses (b.1796) married in 1820 Ana Maria Rosa de Jesus > (Franca Vasconcelos family...also from Sao Vicente) parents of Manuel Telo > Junior (b.1826) that married in 1849 Francisca Perpetua da Encarnacao (Castro > teixeira family from Seixal...by now my family moved from Sao Vicente to > Seixal). They were the parents of Manuel Teles de Castro that married in 1883 > Maria Silvestre da Conceicao and they were the parents of my Great-grandfather > Manuel Teles Junior born in 1885 that emigrated to Brazil at 5 months old with > his parents. > > Leandro > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat... If you send the email, let me know if it went thru ok?? Thank you Leandro

No it definitely doesn't sound easy, but at the same time life on the other hand seemed so sophisticated when you look at the newspapers from the 1800s. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 3:46 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family Hi Janette, I hadn't heard the story about what you mentioned. I recall reading about the pirate attacks, and the bonfire warning system that Porto Santo adapted to warn Machico of approaching pirate ships. Life was not easy for these settlers. Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Hi Pat, I've heard the same thing, but as yet haven't found any documentation. I've looked on nesos which has a couple of newspapers on file but nothing from the 1850s. Another story I've heard and has been referenced in 1950s article on the nesos site was that at one time the island -can't recall if it was porto santo or Madeira, was constantly under attack from the morocco and that at one point only about 7 or 8 people actually survived on the island. Anyone know anything more about this. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:07 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family I'm being told that the sea between Madeira and the island of Porto Santo is very rough, making boat crossing very dangerous. I also heard that on or about 1850 a boating accident took the lives of many islanders making that trip. Has anyone seen documentation that would confirm this story? Pat Silva Corbera California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernandes, Jose" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family My comment is the Madeira Regional Autonomous Government has built Porto Santo to what it is today. Much needs to be done, but much has been accomplished. Today there is even an 18-hole golf course in the island! Some of the water is from a desalinization plant which was built in the 80's. We should be reminded that the progress of our islands you see today is the result of 30 years of self-government and importantly money from the European Union. By the way it rains in Porto Santo but because of deforestation by the beginning of the 20th century it was almost a desert. It is still hot and arid but not a desert today. It is worth a visit. It is a lovely place. Not so quiet in August, but the best beach in the whole world! ( How about that for bias!) There is a house in the city of Porto Santo which the Madeiran Government claims is the Columbus house. It is behind the church. By the way, some even claim that he may have been a grandson of Zarco! José -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: February 2, 2007 2:39 PM To: luis_k_w@clix.pt; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family So happy to see that Porto Santo is so lovely now after many many years of poverty. The tourists have done it great justice and may the souls that had to tend the dry fields feel compensated. One wonders where the water came from to irregate the fields. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > Nowadays Porto Santo is an holiday destination, with wonderful beaches and a lot of quiet. > > http://www.portosanto.nl/indexpt.html > "Porto Santo, onde a vida é lenta" (where the life goes quietly). > :-) > Luis K W > Lisboa-Portugal > ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- > In about 1940 I saw a Portuguese film about Porto Santo. Porto Santo was an > extremely dry land and the folks were out in the desert like land making > trenches for planting vegetables. Then would stop in place at noon, recite > the Angelis, praying for rain, > and there was not a cloud in the sky. It was not a vegatative land and life > was quite dificult. > > This makes me wonder how there could be wealth there and homes with > servants. One reads that the governor, Perestrelo actually lived in > Madeira and so did Christopher and his wife. We cannot get any definate > conclusions from the meager > infomatton we get. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" scotaustin@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > > John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, the brother of the queen > of Scotland and Elizabeth Sinclair, the daughter of Prince Henry > Sinclair, Prince of the Orkney Islands and Earl of Caithness. Prince > Henry allegedly sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398 with Nicolo and Antonio > Zeno Venetian Navigators. Check the Clan Sinclair website to read the > story. Henry's grandson William Sinclair, John's first cousin, was the > builder of Rosslyn Chapel, featured in the Da Vinci Code. John's son, > João Escorcio Drummond was a contemporary of Columbus and both were > engaged in the sugar trade sailing back and forth between Madeira and > Genoa. Nicolo Zeno, the grandson of Nicolo the navigator supposedly drew > a map from his grandfather's account of his voyage with Prince Henry. > Columbus may have known more about the Western Hemisphere than most > people believe. > > BTW, has anybody heard that Columbus was Portuguese? His wife was Felipa > Moniz, the illegitimate daughter of Bartolomeu Perestrello. Pope > Alexander, VI, Wrote a papal bull on Columbus discovery and spelled his > name Cristovão Colon. Alexander was the Borgia Pope and a Spaniard, so > why write in Portuguese instead of instead of Italian or Spanish? > > Scot > > Fernandes, Jose wrote: > Leandro, > Do a Google research on Gabriel Drumond and it comes up. I have been > trying the website for the Madeira parliament www.alrm.pt but I am getting > nowhere. > Now that you mention it (and Margaret too) I have read about this family > being from Scotland. I also note that Escorcio is a family name on its own > now. > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: January 30, 2007 3:50 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > Actyually Drumond comes from Scotland...John Dummond came around 1450 from > Scotland, some saying that he was expeled by his family (nobody really > knows > how and why he went to Madeira....fact is that everybody in Madeira with > its > surname can trace back to him...but i still dont have the links between > Vital > Escorcio Drumond, His grandfather Capitain Antonio Figueiro/Ana Gouveia > and > this John Drumond. > > It would be interesting to get in touch with any present Drumond from Sao > Vicente (maybe they have the answer....)./ Anyone there that have any idea > how i > can do that?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Clix ADSL até 24 Mb: a partir de ? 29,90/mês > A Internet mais rápida do mercado, agora com chamadas grátis e downloads ilimitados! > > Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jose' Thank you so very much for the update on Porto Santo. I have heard it is very lovely now and there are people who vacation there. Very happy to know that the country is finally getting some greatly needed improvements. Hope this continues for the rest of the country. I found the people very warm and friendly. Would very much like to visit there again. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernandes, Jose" <jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family My comment is the Madeira Regional Autonomous Government has built Porto Santo to what it is today. Much needs to be done, but much has been accomplished. Today there is even an 18-hole golf course in the island! Some of the water is from a desalinization plant which was built in the 80's. We should be reminded that the progress of our islands you see today is the result of 30 years of self-government and importantly money from the European Union. By the way it rains in Porto Santo but because of deforestation by the beginning of the 20th century it was almost a desert. It is still hot and arid but not a desert today. It is worth a visit. It is a lovely place. Not so quiet in August, but the best beach in the whole world! ( How about that for bias!) There is a house in the city of Porto Santo which the Madeiran Government claims is the Columbus house. It is behind the church. By the way, some even claim that he may have been a grandson of Zarco! José -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: February 2, 2007 2:39 PM To: luis_k_w@clix.pt; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family So happy to see that Porto Santo is so lovely now after many many years of poverty. The tourists have done it great justice and may the souls that had to tend the dry fields feel compensated. One wonders where the water came from to irregate the fields. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <luis_k_w@clix.pt> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > Nowadays Porto Santo is an holiday destination, with wonderful beaches and a lot of quiet. > > http://www.portosanto.nl/indexpt.html > "Porto Santo, onde a vida é lenta" (where the life goes quietly). > :-) > Luis K W > Lisboa-Portugal > ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- > In about 1940 I saw a Portuguese film about Porto Santo. Porto Santo was an > extremely dry land and the folks were out in the desert like land making > trenches for planting vegetables. Then would stop in place at noon, recite > the Angelis, praying for rain, > and there was not a cloud in the sky. It was not a vegatative land and life > was quite dificult. > > This makes me wonder how there could be wealth there and homes with > servants. One reads that the governor, Perestrelo actually lived in > Madeira and so did Christopher and his wife. We cannot get any definate > conclusions from the meager > infomatton we get. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" scotaustin@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > > John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, the brother of the queen > of Scotland and Elizabeth Sinclair, the daughter of Prince Henry > Sinclair, Prince of the Orkney Islands and Earl of Caithness. Prince > Henry allegedly sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398 with Nicolo and Antonio > Zeno Venetian Navigators. Check the Clan Sinclair website to read the > story. Henry's grandson William Sinclair, John's first cousin, was the > builder of Rosslyn Chapel, featured in the Da Vinci Code. John's son, > João Escorcio Drummond was a contemporary of Columbus and both were > engaged in the sugar trade sailing back and forth between Madeira and > Genoa. Nicolo Zeno, the grandson of Nicolo the navigator supposedly drew > a map from his grandfather's account of his voyage with Prince Henry. > Columbus may have known more about the Western Hemisphere than most > people believe. > > BTW, has anybody heard that Columbus was Portuguese? His wife was Felipa > Moniz, the illegitimate daughter of Bartolomeu Perestrello. Pope > Alexander, VI, Wrote a papal bull on Columbus discovery and spelled his > name Cristovão Colon. Alexander was the Borgia Pope and a Spaniard, so > why write in Portuguese instead of instead of Italian or Spanish? > > Scot > > Fernandes, Jose wrote: > Leandro, > Do a Google research on Gabriel Drumond and it comes up. I have been > trying the website for the Madeira parliament www.alrm.pt but I am getting > nowhere. > Now that you mention it (and Margaret too) I have read about this family > being from Scotland. I also note that Escorcio is a family name on its own > now. > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: January 30, 2007 3:50 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > Actyually Drumond comes from Scotland...John Dummond came around 1450 from > Scotland, some saying that he was expeled by his family (nobody really > knows > how and why he went to Madeira....fact is that everybody in Madeira with > its > surname can trace back to him...but i still dont have the links between > Vital > Escorcio Drumond, His grandfather Capitain Antonio Figueiro/Ana Gouveia > and > this John Drumond. > > It would be interesting to get in touch with any present Drumond from Sao > Vicente (maybe they have the answer....)./ Anyone there that have any idea > how i > can do that?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Clix ADSL até 24 Mb: a partir de ? 29,90/mês > A Internet mais rápida do mercado, agora com chamadas grátis e downloads ilimitados! > > Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I sent an e-mail to the ARM, asking if they had a new e-mail address for Sr. Mello. When I get their reply, I will post it. I haven't had contact with Sr. Mello in a couple of years, hope he is ok. He's very good at what he does, and I highly recommend him. Pat Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat... If you send the email, let me know if it went thru ok?? Thank you Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janette, I hadn't heard the story about what you mentioned. I recall reading about the pirate attacks, and the bonfire warning system that Porto Santo adapted to warn Machico of approaching pirate ships. Life was not easy for these settlers. Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Hi Pat, I've heard the same thing, but as yet haven't found any documentation. I've looked on nesos which has a couple of newspapers on file but nothing from the 1850s. Another story I've heard and has been referenced in 1950s article on the nesos site was that at one time the island -can't recall if it was porto santo or Madeira, was constantly under attack from the morocco and that at one point only about 7 or 8 people actually survived on the island. Anyone know anything more about this. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:07 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family I'm being told that the sea between Madeira and the island of Porto Santo is very rough, making boat crossing very dangerous. I also heard that on or about 1850 a boating accident took the lives of many islanders making that trip. Has anyone seen documentation that would confirm this story? Pat Silva Corbera California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernandes, Jose" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family My comment is the Madeira Regional Autonomous Government has built Porto Santo to what it is today. Much needs to be done, but much has been accomplished. Today there is even an 18-hole golf course in the island! Some of the water is from a desalinization plant which was built in the 80's. We should be reminded that the progress of our islands you see today is the result of 30 years of self-government and importantly money from the European Union. By the way it rains in Porto Santo but because of deforestation by the beginning of the 20th century it was almost a desert. It is still hot and arid but not a desert today. It is worth a visit. It is a lovely place. Not so quiet in August, but the best beach in the whole world! ( How about that for bias!) There is a house in the city of Porto Santo which the Madeiran Government claims is the Columbus house. It is behind the church. By the way, some even claim that he may have been a grandson of Zarco! José -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: February 2, 2007 2:39 PM To: luis_k_w@clix.pt; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family So happy to see that Porto Santo is so lovely now after many many years of poverty. The tourists have done it great justice and may the souls that had to tend the dry fields feel compensated. One wonders where the water came from to irregate the fields. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > Nowadays Porto Santo is an holiday destination, with wonderful beaches and a lot of quiet. > > http://www.portosanto.nl/indexpt.html > "Porto Santo, onde a vida é lenta" (where the life goes quietly). > :-) > Luis K W > Lisboa-Portugal > ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- > In about 1940 I saw a Portuguese film about Porto Santo. Porto Santo was an > extremely dry land and the folks were out in the desert like land making > trenches for planting vegetables. Then would stop in place at noon, recite > the Angelis, praying for rain, > and there was not a cloud in the sky. It was not a vegatative land and life > was quite dificult. > > This makes me wonder how there could be wealth there and homes with > servants. One reads that the governor, Perestrelo actually lived in > Madeira and so did Christopher and his wife. We cannot get any definate > conclusions from the meager > infomatton we get. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" scotaustin@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > > John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, the brother of the queen > of Scotland and Elizabeth Sinclair, the daughter of Prince Henry > Sinclair, Prince of the Orkney Islands and Earl of Caithness. Prince > Henry allegedly sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398 with Nicolo and Antonio > Zeno Venetian Navigators. Check the Clan Sinclair website to read the > story. Henry's grandson William Sinclair, John's first cousin, was the > builder of Rosslyn Chapel, featured in the Da Vinci Code. John's son, > João Escorcio Drummond was a contemporary of Columbus and both were > engaged in the sugar trade sailing back and forth between Madeira and > Genoa. Nicolo Zeno, the grandson of Nicolo the navigator supposedly drew > a map from his grandfather's account of his voyage with Prince Henry. > Columbus may have known more about the Western Hemisphere than most > people believe. > > BTW, has anybody heard that Columbus was Portuguese? His wife was Felipa > Moniz, the illegitimate daughter of Bartolomeu Perestrello. Pope > Alexander, VI, Wrote a papal bull on Columbus discovery and spelled his > name Cristovão Colon. Alexander was the Borgia Pope and a Spaniard, so > why write in Portuguese instead of instead of Italian or Spanish? > > Scot > > Fernandes, Jose wrote: > Leandro, > Do a Google research on Gabriel Drumond and it comes up. I have been > trying the website for the Madeira parliament www.alrm.pt but I am getting > nowhere. > Now that you mention it (and Margaret too) I have read about this family > being from Scotland. I also note that Escorcio is a family name on its own > now. > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: January 30, 2007 3:50 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > Actyually Drumond comes from Scotland...John Dummond came around 1450 from > Scotland, some saying that he was expeled by his family (nobody really > knows > how and why he went to Madeira....fact is that everybody in Madeira with > its > surname can trace back to him...but i still dont have the links between > Vital > Escorcio Drumond, His grandfather Capitain Antonio Figueiro/Ana Gouveia > and > this John Drumond. > > It would be interesting to get in touch with any present Drumond from Sao > Vicente (maybe they have the answer....)./ Anyone there that have any idea > how i > can do that?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Clix ADSL até 24 Mb: a partir de ? 29,90/mês > A Internet mais rápida do mercado, agora com chamadas grátis e downloads ilimitados! > > Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leandro, That's the only e-mail address that I have. Wonder if the ARM knows of a newer one...I'll send them an e-mail today. Pat Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat... Just sent an email to Sr Luis...but the email returned as wrong emnail adress. Pls can you confirm if is that the right one??? _36465@mail.telepac.pt_ (mailto:36465@mail.telepac.pt) Thank you Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat... Just sent an email to Sr Luis...but the email returned as wrong emnail adress. Pls can you confirm if is that the right one??? _36465@mail.telepac.pt_ (mailto:36465@mail.telepac.pt) Thank you Leandro

Hi Pat..... sorry for the mistake.... Viatl actually married in 1706, his parents Vasco Moniz de Meneses and Dona Crispina de Meneses were married in 1684. This Vasco is the son of Capitain Antonio de Figueiro and Ana de Gouveia (being Ana from Machico). Thank you for the information about Sr Luis de Mello. I will contact him by nexty week definitely. Leandro

Hi Pat, I've heard the same thing, but as yet haven't found any documentation. I've looked on nesos which has a couple of newspapers on file but nothing from the 1850s. Another story I've heard and has been referenced in 1950s article on the nesos site was that at one time the island -can't recall if it was porto santo or Madeira, was constantly under attack from the morocco and that at one point only about 7 or 8 people actually survived on the island. Anyone know anything more about this. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:07 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family I'm being told that the sea between Madeira and the island of Porto Santo is very rough, making boat crossing very dangerous. I also heard that on or about 1850 a boating accident took the lives of many islanders making that trip. Has anyone seen documentation that would confirm this story? Pat Silva Corbera California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernandes, Jose" <jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family My comment is the Madeira Regional Autonomous Government has built Porto Santo to what it is today. Much needs to be done, but much has been accomplished. Today there is even an 18-hole golf course in the island! Some of the water is from a desalinization plant which was built in the 80's. We should be reminded that the progress of our islands you see today is the result of 30 years of self-government and importantly money from the European Union. By the way it rains in Porto Santo but because of deforestation by the beginning of the 20th century it was almost a desert. It is still hot and arid but not a desert today. It is worth a visit. It is a lovely place. Not so quiet in August, but the best beach in the whole world! ( How about that for bias!) There is a house in the city of Porto Santo which the Madeiran Government claims is the Columbus house. It is behind the church. By the way, some even claim that he may have been a grandson of Zarco! José -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: February 2, 2007 2:39 PM To: luis_k_w@clix.pt; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family So happy to see that Porto Santo is so lovely now after many many years of poverty. The tourists have done it great justice and may the souls that had to tend the dry fields feel compensated. One wonders where the water came from to irregate the fields. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <luis_k_w@clix.pt> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > Nowadays Porto Santo is an holiday destination, with wonderful beaches and a lot of quiet. > > http://www.portosanto.nl/indexpt.html > "Porto Santo, onde a vida é lenta" (where the life goes quietly). > :-) > Luis K W > Lisboa-Portugal > ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- > In about 1940 I saw a Portuguese film about Porto Santo. Porto Santo was an > extremely dry land and the folks were out in the desert like land making > trenches for planting vegetables. Then would stop in place at noon, recite > the Angelis, praying for rain, > and there was not a cloud in the sky. It was not a vegatative land and life > was quite dificult. > > This makes me wonder how there could be wealth there and homes with > servants. One reads that the governor, Perestrelo actually lived in > Madeira and so did Christopher and his wife. We cannot get any definate > conclusions from the meager > infomatton we get. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" scotaustin@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > > John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, the brother of the queen > of Scotland and Elizabeth Sinclair, the daughter of Prince Henry > Sinclair, Prince of the Orkney Islands and Earl of Caithness. Prince > Henry allegedly sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398 with Nicolo and Antonio > Zeno Venetian Navigators. Check the Clan Sinclair website to read the > story. Henry's grandson William Sinclair, John's first cousin, was the > builder of Rosslyn Chapel, featured in the Da Vinci Code. John's son, > João Escorcio Drummond was a contemporary of Columbus and both were > engaged in the sugar trade sailing back and forth between Madeira and > Genoa. Nicolo Zeno, the grandson of Nicolo the navigator supposedly drew > a map from his grandfather's account of his voyage with Prince Henry. > Columbus may have known more about the Western Hemisphere than most > people believe. > > BTW, has anybody heard that Columbus was Portuguese? His wife was Felipa > Moniz, the illegitimate daughter of Bartolomeu Perestrello. Pope > Alexander, VI, Wrote a papal bull on Columbus discovery and spelled his > name Cristovão Colon. Alexander was the Borgia Pope and a Spaniard, so > why write in Portuguese instead of instead of Italian or Spanish? > > Scot > > Fernandes, Jose wrote: > Leandro, > Do a Google research on Gabriel Drumond and it comes up. I have been > trying the website for the Madeira parliament www.alrm.pt but I am getting > nowhere. > Now that you mention it (and Margaret too) I have read about this family > being from Scotland. I also note that Escorcio is a family name on its own > now. > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: January 30, 2007 3:50 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > Actyually Drumond comes from Scotland...John Dummond came around 1450 from > Scotland, some saying that he was expeled by his family (nobody really > knows > how and why he went to Madeira....fact is that everybody in Madeira with > its > surname can trace back to him...but i still dont have the links between > Vital > Escorcio Drumond, His grandfather Capitain Antonio Figueiro/Ana Gouveia > and > this John Drumond. > > It would be interesting to get in touch with any present Drumond from Sao > Vicente (maybe they have the answer....)./ Anyone there that have any idea > how i > can do that?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Clix ADSL até 24 Mb: a partir de ? 29,90/mês > A Internet mais rápida do mercado, agora com chamadas grátis e downloads ilimitados! > > Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leandro, I was hoping that you would beable to find a connection with one of the Figueiros listed. You wrote the following, "now my task is link this Vital Escorcio Drumond (married in 1684)..." I found a marriage record for a Vital Escorcio Drumond married in 1706 to Maria Teixeira de Andrade... parish of Sao Vicente... is this the same Vital that you noted as being married in 1684? [Vital Escórcio Drumond Maria Teixeira de Andrade São Vicente 1706 579 206] Sr. Mello is a published historian and genealogist. Individuals interested in solicting his services with family history research of their Madeira ancestry can contact Sr. Mello on line, at this e-mail address: 36465@mail.telepac.pt or write him at this address. Bureau of Genealogical Research - Rua da Ponte Nova - 43-9000 Funchal, Madeira, Portugal. Pat Silva Corbera ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gregobhte1@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > Hi Paty.... > > I lloked in the Nobiliario da Madeira for the Figueiro surname...but > altough > they have a lot of names there, Antonio Figueiro doesnt show :( > > Im sure the surname is Drumond....specially because the marriage record of > Vital Escorcio Drumond was very clear. And the ARM didnt do my chart > tree...they only provided me with the records, being those of marriage or > birth and > from there i biuld my family tree myself. > > Whom is this SrLuis de Sousas Melo?? How can i contact him??? > > Thats quite amazing that probably we are related, because definitely > Drumond > in Madeira is just one family for sure....now my task is link this Vital > Escorcio Drumond (married in 1684) with his ancestor John Drumond. > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm being told that the sea between Madeira and the island of Porto Santo is very rough, making boat crossing very dangerous. I also heard that on or about 1850 a boating accident took the lives of many islanders making that trip. Has anyone seen documentation that would confirm this story? Pat Silva Corbera California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernandes, Jose" <jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family My comment is the Madeira Regional Autonomous Government has built Porto Santo to what it is today. Much needs to be done, but much has been accomplished. Today there is even an 18-hole golf course in the island! Some of the water is from a desalinization plant which was built in the 80's. We should be reminded that the progress of our islands you see today is the result of 30 years of self-government and importantly money from the European Union. By the way it rains in Porto Santo but because of deforestation by the beginning of the 20th century it was almost a desert. It is still hot and arid but not a desert today. It is worth a visit. It is a lovely place. Not so quiet in August, but the best beach in the whole world! ( How about that for bias!) There is a house in the city of Porto Santo which the Madeiran Government claims is the Columbus house. It is behind the church. By the way, some even claim that he may have been a grandson of Zarco! José -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: February 2, 2007 2:39 PM To: luis_k_w@clix.pt; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family So happy to see that Porto Santo is so lovely now after many many years of poverty. The tourists have done it great justice and may the souls that had to tend the dry fields feel compensated. One wonders where the water came from to irregate the fields. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <luis_k_w@clix.pt> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > Nowadays Porto Santo is an holiday destination, with wonderful beaches and a lot of quiet. > > http://www.portosanto.nl/indexpt.html > "Porto Santo, onde a vida é lenta" (where the life goes quietly). > :-) > Luis K W > Lisboa-Portugal > ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- > In about 1940 I saw a Portuguese film about Porto Santo. Porto Santo was an > extremely dry land and the folks were out in the desert like land making > trenches for planting vegetables. Then would stop in place at noon, recite > the Angelis, praying for rain, > and there was not a cloud in the sky. It was not a vegatative land and life > was quite dificult. > > This makes me wonder how there could be wealth there and homes with > servants. One reads that the governor, Perestrelo actually lived in > Madeira and so did Christopher and his wife. We cannot get any definate > conclusions from the meager > infomatton we get. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" scotaustin@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > > John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, the brother of the queen > of Scotland and Elizabeth Sinclair, the daughter of Prince Henry > Sinclair, Prince of the Orkney Islands and Earl of Caithness. Prince > Henry allegedly sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398 with Nicolo and Antonio > Zeno Venetian Navigators. Check the Clan Sinclair website to read the > story. Henry's grandson William Sinclair, John's first cousin, was the > builder of Rosslyn Chapel, featured in the Da Vinci Code. John's son, > João Escorcio Drummond was a contemporary of Columbus and both were > engaged in the sugar trade sailing back and forth between Madeira and > Genoa. Nicolo Zeno, the grandson of Nicolo the navigator supposedly drew > a map from his grandfather's account of his voyage with Prince Henry. > Columbus may have known more about the Western Hemisphere than most > people believe. > > BTW, has anybody heard that Columbus was Portuguese? His wife was Felipa > Moniz, the illegitimate daughter of Bartolomeu Perestrello. Pope > Alexander, VI, Wrote a papal bull on Columbus discovery and spelled his > name Cristovão Colon. Alexander was the Borgia Pope and a Spaniard, so > why write in Portuguese instead of instead of Italian or Spanish? > > Scot > > Fernandes, Jose wrote: > Leandro, > Do a Google research on Gabriel Drumond and it comes up. I have been > trying the website for the Madeira parliament www.alrm.pt but I am getting > nowhere. > Now that you mention it (and Margaret too) I have read about this family > being from Scotland. I also note that Escorcio is a family name on its own > now. > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: January 30, 2007 3:50 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > Actyually Drumond comes from Scotland...John Dummond came around 1450 from > Scotland, some saying that he was expeled by his family (nobody really > knows > how and why he went to Madeira....fact is that everybody in Madeira with > its > surname can trace back to him...but i still dont have the links between > Vital > Escorcio Drumond, His grandfather Capitain Antonio Figueiro/Ana Gouveia > and > this John Drumond. > > It would be interesting to get in touch with any present Drumond from Sao > Vicente (maybe they have the answer....)./ Anyone there that have any idea > how i > can do that?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Clix ADSL até 24 Mb: a partir de ? 29,90/mês > A Internet mais rápida do mercado, agora com chamadas grátis e downloads ilimitados! > > Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My comment is the Madeira Regional Autonomous Government has built Porto Santo to what it is today. Much needs to be done, but much has been accomplished. Today there is even an 18-hole golf course in the island! Some of the water is from a desalinization plant which was built in the 80's. We should be reminded that the progress of our islands you see today is the result of 30 years of self-government and importantly money from the European Union. By the way it rains in Porto Santo but because of deforestation by the beginning of the 20th century it was almost a desert. It is still hot and arid but not a desert today. It is worth a visit. It is a lovely place. Not so quiet in August, but the best beach in the whole world! ( How about that for bias!) There is a house in the city of Porto Santo which the Madeiran Government claims is the Columbus house. It is behind the church. By the way, some even claim that he may have been a grandson of Zarco! José -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Sent: February 2, 2007 2:39 PM To: luis_k_w@clix.pt; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family So happy to see that Porto Santo is so lovely now after many many years of poverty. The tourists have done it great justice and may the souls that had to tend the dry fields feel compensated. One wonders where the water came from to irregate the fields. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <luis_k_w@clix.pt> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > Nowadays Porto Santo is an holiday destination, with wonderful beaches and a lot of quiet. > > http://www.portosanto.nl/indexpt.html > "Porto Santo, onde a vida é lenta" (where the life goes quietly). > :-) > Luis K W > Lisboa-Portugal > ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- > In about 1940 I saw a Portuguese film about Porto Santo. Porto Santo was an > extremely dry land and the folks were out in the desert like land making > trenches for planting vegetables. Then would stop in place at noon, recite > the Angelis, praying for rain, > and there was not a cloud in the sky. It was not a vegatative land and life > was quite dificult. > > This makes me wonder how there could be wealth there and homes with > servants. One reads that the governor, Perestrelo actually lived in > Madeira and so did Christopher and his wife. We cannot get any definate > conclusions from the meager > infomatton we get. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" scotaustin@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > > John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, the brother of the queen > of Scotland and Elizabeth Sinclair, the daughter of Prince Henry > Sinclair, Prince of the Orkney Islands and Earl of Caithness. Prince > Henry allegedly sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398 with Nicolo and Antonio > Zeno Venetian Navigators. Check the Clan Sinclair website to read the > story. Henry's grandson William Sinclair, John's first cousin, was the > builder of Rosslyn Chapel, featured in the Da Vinci Code. John's son, > João Escorcio Drummond was a contemporary of Columbus and both were > engaged in the sugar trade sailing back and forth between Madeira and > Genoa. Nicolo Zeno, the grandson of Nicolo the navigator supposedly drew > a map from his grandfather's account of his voyage with Prince Henry. > Columbus may have known more about the Western Hemisphere than most > people believe. > > BTW, has anybody heard that Columbus was Portuguese? His wife was Felipa > Moniz, the illegitimate daughter of Bartolomeu Perestrello. Pope > Alexander, VI, Wrote a papal bull on Columbus discovery and spelled his > name Cristovão Colon. Alexander was the Borgia Pope and a Spaniard, so > why write in Portuguese instead of instead of Italian or Spanish? > > Scot > > Fernandes, Jose wrote: > Leandro, > Do a Google research on Gabriel Drumond and it comes up. I have been > trying the website for the Madeira parliament www.alrm.pt but I am getting > nowhere. > Now that you mention it (and Margaret too) I have read about this family > being from Scotland. I also note that Escorcio is a family name on its own > now. > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: January 30, 2007 3:50 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > Actyually Drumond comes from Scotland...John Dummond came around 1450 from > Scotland, some saying that he was expeled by his family (nobody really > knows > how and why he went to Madeira....fact is that everybody in Madeira with > its > surname can trace back to him...but i still dont have the links between > Vital > Escorcio Drumond, His grandfather Capitain Antonio Figueiro/Ana Gouveia > and > this John Drumond. > > It would be interesting to get in touch with any present Drumond from Sao > Vicente (maybe they have the answer....)./ Anyone there that have any idea > how i > can do that?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Clix ADSL até 24 Mb: a partir de ? 29,90/mês > A Internet mais rápida do mercado, agora com chamadas grátis e downloads ilimitados! > > Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So happy to see that Porto Santo is so lovely now after many many years of poverty. The tourists have done it great justice and may the souls that had to tend the dry fields feel compensated. One wonders where the water came from to irregate the fields. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <luis_k_w@clix.pt> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > Nowadays Porto Santo is an holiday destination, with wonderful beaches and a lot of quiet. > > http://www.portosanto.nl/indexpt.html > "Porto Santo, onde a vida é lenta" (where the life goes quietly). > :-) > Luis K W > Lisboa-Portugal > ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- > In about 1940 I saw a Portuguese film about Porto Santo. Porto Santo was an > extremely dry land and the folks were out in the desert like land making > trenches for planting vegetables. Then would stop in place at noon, recite > the Angelis, praying for rain, > and there was not a cloud in the sky. It was not a vegatative land and life > was quite dificult. > > This makes me wonder how there could be wealth there and homes with > servants. One reads that the governor, Perestrelo actually lived in > Madeira and so did Christopher and his wife. We cannot get any definate > conclusions from the meager > infomatton we get. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" scotaustin@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > > John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, the brother of the queen > of Scotland and Elizabeth Sinclair, the daughter of Prince Henry > Sinclair, Prince of the Orkney Islands and Earl of Caithness. Prince > Henry allegedly sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398 with Nicolo and Antonio > Zeno Venetian Navigators. Check the Clan Sinclair website to read the > story. Henry's grandson William Sinclair, John's first cousin, was the > builder of Rosslyn Chapel, featured in the Da Vinci Code. John's son, > João Escorcio Drummond was a contemporary of Columbus and both were > engaged in the sugar trade sailing back and forth between Madeira and > Genoa. Nicolo Zeno, the grandson of Nicolo the navigator supposedly drew > a map from his grandfather's account of his voyage with Prince Henry. > Columbus may have known more about the Western Hemisphere than most > people believe. > > BTW, has anybody heard that Columbus was Portuguese? His wife was Felipa > Moniz, the illegitimate daughter of Bartolomeu Perestrello. Pope > Alexander, VI, Wrote a papal bull on Columbus discovery and spelled his > name Cristovão Colon. Alexander was the Borgia Pope and a Spaniard, so > why write in Portuguese instead of instead of Italian or Spanish? > > Scot > > Fernandes, Jose wrote: > Leandro, > Do a Google research on Gabriel Drumond and it comes up. I have been > trying the website for the Madeira parliament www.alrm.pt but I am getting > nowhere. > Now that you mention it (and Margaret too) I have read about this family > being from Scotland. I also note that Escorcio is a family name on its own > now. > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: January 30, 2007 3:50 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > Actyually Drumond comes from Scotland...John Dummond came around 1450 from > Scotland, some saying that he was expeled by his family (nobody really > knows > how and why he went to Madeira....fact is that everybody in Madeira with > its > surname can trace back to him...but i still dont have the links between > Vital > Escorcio Drumond, His grandfather Capitain Antonio Figueiro/Ana Gouveia > and > this John Drumond. > > It would be interesting to get in touch with any present Drumond from Sao > Vicente (maybe they have the answer....)./ Anyone there that have any idea > how i > can do that?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Clix ADSL até 24 Mb: a partir de ? 29,90/mês > A Internet mais rápida do mercado, agora com chamadas grátis e downloads ilimitados! > > Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

papagaia2 wrote: > Hi JL, > What other surnames are you researching at link with the Escorcio surname? > Pat > Hi Pat - Sorry for the delay - Here are some of the names I am researching: Escorcio de Mendonça, Amaro. born on 1888-01-25 Escorcio de Mendonça, João Escorcio de Mendonça, Antonio born abt 1837 Escorcio de Mendonça, Antonio born abt 1862 Escorcio, Florinda Conçeição Escorcio de Mendonça, José born abt 1862 Escorcio de Mendonça, Jacob Escorcio de Mendonça, Senhorina Escorcio de Mendonça, Eulália. -Jeff

Nowadays Porto Santo is an holiday destination, with wonderful beaches and a lot of quiet. http://www.portosanto.nl/indexpt.html "Porto Santo, onde a vida é lenta" (where the life goes quietly). :-) Luis K W Lisboa-Portugal ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- In about 1940 I saw a Portuguese film about Porto Santo. Porto Santo was an extremely dry land and the folks were out in the desert like land making trenches for planting vegetables. Then would stop in place at noon, recite the Angelis, praying for rain, and there was not a cloud in the sky. It was not a vegatative land and life was quite dificult. This makes me wonder how there could be wealth there and homes with servants. One reads that the governor, Perestrelo actually lived in Madeira and so did Christopher and his wife. We cannot get any definate conclusions from the meager infomatton we get. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Austin" scotaustin@comcast.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, the brother of the queen of Scotland and Elizabeth Sinclair, the daughter of Prince Henry Sinclair, Prince of the Orkney Islands and Earl of Caithness. Prince Henry allegedly sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398 with Nicolo and Antonio Zeno Venetian Navigators. Check the Clan Sinclair website to read the story. Henry's grandson William Sinclair, John's first cousin, was the builder of Rosslyn Chapel, featured in the Da Vinci Code. John's son, João Escorcio Drummond was a contemporary of Columbus and both were engaged in the sugar trade sailing back and forth between Madeira and Genoa. Nicolo Zeno, the grandson of Nicolo the navigator supposedly drew a map from his grandfather's account of his voyage with Prince Henry. Columbus may have known more about the Western Hemisphere than most people believe. BTW, has anybody heard that Columbus was Portuguese? His wife was Felipa Moniz, the illegitimate daughter of Bartolomeu Perestrello. Pope Alexander, VI, Wrote a papal bull on Columbus discovery and spelled his name Cristovão Colon. Alexander was the Borgia Pope and a Spaniard, so why write in Portuguese instead of instead of Italian or Spanish? Scot Fernandes, Jose wrote: Leandro, Do a Google research on Gabriel Drumond and it comes up. I have been trying the website for the Madeira parliament www.alrm.pt but I am getting nowhere. Now that you mention it (and Margaret too) I have read about this family being from Scotland. I also note that Escorcio is a family name on its own now. José -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: January 30, 2007 3:50 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family Actyually Drumond comes from Scotland...John Dummond came around 1450 from Scotland, some saying that he was expeled by his family (nobody really knows how and why he went to Madeira....fact is that everybody in Madeira with its surname can trace back to him...but i still dont have the links between Vital Escorcio Drumond, His grandfather Capitain Antonio Figueiro/Ana Gouveia and this John Drumond. It would be interesting to get in touch with any present Drumond from Sao Vicente (maybe they have the answer....)./ Anyone there that have any idea how i can do that?? Thank you Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Clix ADSL até 24 Mb: a partir de € 29,90/mês A Internet mais rápida do mercado, agora com chamadas grátis e downloads ilimitados! Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt/

In about 1940 I saw a Portuguese film about Porto Santo. Porto Santo was an extremely dry land and the folks were out in the desert like land making trenches for planting vegetables. Then would stop in place at noon, recite the Angelis, praying for rain, and there was not a cloud in the sky. It was not a vegatative land and life was quite dificult. This makes me wonder how there could be wealth there and homes with servants. One reads that the governor, Perestrelo actually lived in Madeira and so did Christopher and his wife. We cannot get any definate conclusions from the meager infomatton we get. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Austin" <scotaustin@comcast.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family John Drummond was the son of Sir John Drummond, the brother of the queen of Scotland and Elizabeth Sinclair, the daughter of Prince Henry Sinclair, Prince of the Orkney Islands and Earl of Caithness. Prince Henry allegedly sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398 with Nicolo and Antonio Zeno Venetian Navigators. Check the Clan Sinclair website to read the story. Henry's grandson William Sinclair, John's first cousin, was the builder of Rosslyn Chapel, featured in the Da Vinci Code. John's son, João Escorcio Drummond was a contemporary of Columbus and both were engaged in the sugar trade sailing back and forth between Madeira and Genoa. Nicolo Zeno, the grandson of Nicolo the navigator supposedly drew a map from his grandfather's account of his voyage with Prince Henry. Columbus may have known more about the Western Hemisphere than most people believe. BTW, has anybody heard that Columbus was Portuguese? His wife was Felipa Moniz, the illegitimate daughter of Bartolomeu Perestrello. Pope Alexander, VI, Wrote a papal bull on Columbus discovery and spelled his name Cristovão Colon. Alexander was the Borgia Pope and a Spaniard, so why write in Portuguese instead of instead of Italian or Spanish? Scot Fernandes, Jose wrote: > Leandro, > Do a Google research on Gabriel Drumond and it comes up. I have been trying the website for the Madeira parliament www.alrm.pt but I am getting nowhere. > Now that you mention it (and Margaret too) I have read about this family being from Scotland. I also note that Escorcio is a family name on its own now. > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com > Sent: January 30, 2007 3:50 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family > > Actyually Drumond comes from Scotland...John Dummond came around 1450 from > Scotland, some saying that he was expeled by his family (nobody really knows > how and why he went to Madeira....fact is that everybody in Madeira with its > surname can trace back to him...but i still dont have the links between Vital > Escorcio Drumond, His grandfather Capitain Antonio Figueiro/Ana Gouveia and > this John Drumond. > > It would be interesting to get in touch with any present Drumond from Sao > Vicente (maybe they have the answer....)./ Anyone there that have any idea how i > can do that?? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message