Hey JL... i use 2 softwares... first is family maker and the other one is from the _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) let me know what u think Leandro

Hey list - Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to something else. Thanks JL

Thank you Pat.. i really appreciate it :) Leandro

Hi Pat, Yes...hopefully they will be able to recommend a couple of professional genealogists. I just took another look at their website to see if they had a link perhaps or anything on the FAQs, but nothing, I'm afraid. On the other hand, even though they don't actually do the research, I did have one occasion where I was dealing with an individual who was listed with several different names. I thought I had spotted the certificate in the database, but obviously didn't want to order it if I wasn't sure if it was indeed the said individual. They went to all the effort of checking through all the individual's children baptism certificates to ensure the grandparents were all the same, and then confirmed that it was the correct person. On another occasion when I ordered the certificates for the children on one ancestor, they confirmed they had them, plus two more illegitimate ones, that I would never have known about. So, in a round about way, they do do some research. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:18 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family Hi Janette, Hopefully there is someone else available in Madeira to do the research. Sr. Mello was very good, and was willing to answer my many, and I mean many questions. I'm sure I'm not the only one that will miss him. Pat Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Hi Pat, Just thought I would let you know that it usually takes the ARM about 10 days to reply to emails, so you may hear from them yet. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.c om [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:19 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family Leandro, So far I've not received a reply from the ARM. Scot (a Madeira list member) posted a message, starting that their last correspondence with Sr. Mello, indicated that he was retiring and no longer doing genealogy research. Pat Patricia Corbera wrote: I sent an e-mail to the ARM, asking if they had a new e-mail address for Sr. Mello. When I get their reply, I will post it. I haven't had contact with Sr. Mello in a couple of years, hope he is ok. He's very good at what he does, and I highly recommend him. Pat Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat... If you send the email, let me know if it went thru ok?? Thank you Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janette, Hopefully there is someone else available in Madeira to do the research. Sr. Mello was very good, and was willing to answer my many, and I mean many questions. I'm sure I'm not the only one that will miss him. Pat Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Hi Pat, Just thought I would let you know that it usually takes the ARM about 10 days to reply to emails, so you may hear from them yet. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.c om [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:19 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family Leandro, So far I've not received a reply from the ARM. Scot (a Madeira list member) posted a message, starting that their last correspondence with Sr. Mello, indicated that he was retiring and no longer doing genealogy research. Pat Patricia Corbera wrote: I sent an e-mail to the ARM, asking if they had a new e-mail address for Sr. Mello. When I get their reply, I will post it. I haven't had contact with Sr. Mello in a couple of years, hope he is ok. He's very good at what he does, and I highly recommend him. Pat Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat... If you send the email, let me know if it went thru ok?? Thank you Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leandro, I'll keep you posted if I received a reply, or if I come across anyone else that can do the research. Pat Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat..... Well...lets wait and see if the ARM gets back to you, because maybe they can also give another genealogist's name.... Thank you for doing that Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janette... one of my ancestors is Francisco Gois de Carvalho born in Sao Vicente married in 1664 with Maria Francisca. His parents were Alvaro Gomes Cabral and Dona Francisca. Any relation with your branch??? Leandro

Hi Leandro, I haven't reached the 1600s yet so can't answer your question, but I will keep this email for future reference. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:04 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio research Hi Janette... one of my ancestors is Francisco Gois de Carvalho born in Sao Vicente married in 1664 with Maria Francisca. His parents were Alvaro Gomes Cabral and Dona Francisca. Any relation with your branch??? Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jeff...you never know. I've just connected with several family members off another forum - not a name I was particularly researching as I've been focusing on the Gois/Mendonca, but it has been very exciting and they are filling in some of the gaps. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Lake Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:33 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio research Hi Janette - Actually Pedro Escorcio de Brito sounds familiar..... I will check! Janette Chun wrote: > Hi JL, > > Don't have these names on my list but will keep your email for future > reference. I have a > > 1) Francisca Escorcio (may have a Vasconcellos after) married to a Manoel > de Gois de Mendonca 1785 > 2) Maria Escorcio de Veloza (baptised 1788) married to Domingos Gois de > Mendonca 1808. Maria's parents are listed as Pedro Escorcio de Britto and > Quitéria Velosa Drumond. > > Any of these sound familiar? > > Thanks, > Janette > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janette - Actually Pedro Escorcio de Brito sounds familiar..... I will check! Janette Chun wrote: > Hi JL, > > Don't have these names on my list but will keep your email for future > reference. I have a > > 1) Francisca Escorcio (may have a Vasconcellos after) married to a Manoel > de Gois de Mendonca 1785 > 2) Maria Escorcio de Veloza (baptised 1788) married to Domingos Gois de > Mendonca 1808. Maria's parents are listed as Pedro Escorcio de Britto and > Quitéria Velosa Drumond. > > Any of these sound familiar? > > Thanks, > Janette >

Hi Pat..... Well...lets wait and see if the ARM gets back to you, because maybe they can also give another genealogist's name.... Thank you for doing that Leandro

Hi Pat, Just thought I would let you know that it usually takes the ARM about 10 days to reply to emails, so you may hear from them yet. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.c om [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:19 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Drumond family Leandro, So far I've not received a reply from the ARM. Scot (a Madeira list member) posted a message, starting that their last correspondence with Sr. Mello, indicated that he was retiring and no longer doing genealogy research. Pat Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I sent an e-mail to the ARM, asking if they had a new e-mail address for Sr. Mello. When I get their reply, I will post it. I haven't had contact with Sr. Mello in a couple of years, hope he is ok. He's very good at what he does, and I highly recommend him. Pat Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat... If you send the email, let me know if it went thru ok?? Thank you Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

JL, Thank you, I didn't see any of these names in what I have... Pat Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> wrote: papagaia2 wrote: > Hi JL, > What other surnames are you researching at link with the Escorcio surname? > Pat > Hi Pat - Sorry for the delay - Here are some of the names I am researching: Escorcio de Mendonça, Amaro. born on 1888-01-25 Escorcio de Mendonça, João Escorcio de Mendonça, Antonio born abt 1837 Escorcio de Mendonça, Antonio born abt 1862 Escorcio, Florinda Conçeição Escorcio de Mendonça, José born abt 1862 Escorcio de Mendonça, Jacob Escorcio de Mendonça, Senhorina Escorcio de Mendonça, Eulália. -Jeff ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leandro, So far I've not received a reply from the ARM. Scot (a Madeira list member) posted a message, starting that their last correspondence with Sr. Mello, indicated that he was retiring and no longer doing genealogy research. Pat Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I sent an e-mail to the ARM, asking if they had a new e-mail address for Sr. Mello. When I get their reply, I will post it. I haven't had contact with Sr. Mello in a couple of years, hope he is ok. He's very good at what he does, and I highly recommend him. Pat Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat... If you send the email, let me know if it went thru ok?? Thank you Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Scot Austin <scotaustin@comcast.net> wrote: Pat, He sent us an e-mail sometime back saying he was retiring and would no longer be available for research. He finished most of Donna's lines with pai incognito but a few remain unfinished. I hope someone comes along someday to continue his work. Scot Thank you Scot for the info on Sr. Mello. Paulo on this list has been very helpful, but I don't know if he's available to do research for others. I personally haven't seen any postings by him in some time. Donna and I need to compare notes again, to see if it's possible that where Sr. Mello left off with her charts, he may have continued with mine or that of my cousin's. I think Donna and I share a common ancestor, but for the life of me I'm not finding which ancestor we shared in common. Another senior moment! ;-) Pat Silva Corbera

The sea between Madeira Island and Porto Santo is called the Travessa (crossing). It can be very rough and many have died in the past. There were many attacks by Moorish pirates in the 16 and 17 centuries. Also, many Madeirans took part in raids on the Moroccan coast. Some of it was kidnappings. People could be released with payments. That further impoverished the island. In Ilhas de Zarco, I have read that at one time according to the author, there were no more than 2 dozen Porto Santo islanders left. But there isn't much said after that. I don't know if it was ever accepted as fact. I believe that is also linked to the many women captives returned to the island pregnant. I suspect that this is an area that many would rather not talk about. On the other hand, I haven't seen too many writings on this. Gaspar Frutuoso in his 2nd book - Saudades da Terra, may comment on that but some of his writing (if not all) about Madeira was second hand. Janette, it is my opinion that this area could have more research done. Anyway, I am not sure if it is appropriate to send attachments on our list. But I do have some nice pictures of Porto Santo. If you send your e-mail I will send it to you. José Fernandes

Leandro: Abreu: This family took, it appears, their name from the Villa of Abreu., that controled the parish of S. Pedro de Merufe, boundary of Moncao, and the most oldest nobleman of it known is Gomes de Abreu, father of Rui Gomes de Abreu and of Garcia Gomes de Abreu, who lived in the time of D. Afonso Henrique, of that villal, and possessed the lordship of other lands of the area. The family ofthe Abreu not only was expanded by the blood washed of all the noble houses of Minho, a great part of the Portugal and many of strangers, but also the valor that they always demonstrated by spirit, by pen and sword, by the church, the letters and the arms not only on the continenet, but ofthe lands beyond, empoyed his endeavers and spilled his blood with exuberance and displayed the annal and the chancellery regions of the military orders. The most important branch of this family was those who had the lordships of regaladas, who entered by marriage to Diogo Gomes de Abreu with D. Leonor Viegas de Rego, from whom descended the men of Paco de Anguiao, those from the house of Amial, of Mos and of Carreira-Abreu e Limas e Abreus Tavoras. This is from the book of Amoral of Portugal. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gregobhte1@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Drumond family > Hi Margaret.... > > I have a few ancestors that comes from Campanario...among them are: Simao > Gomes Guedes that married in 1626 Ines Fernandes. That Simao is the son of Luis > Gomes Guedes Filho married in 1585 Francisca Duarte (from Tabua, where i have > many ancestors by the way). Ines Fernandes was the daugther of Manuel > Fernandes and Ana Goncalves (both from Campanario) > > Among my Abreu ancestors are Manuel Abreu from Ponta do Sol (not far from > Campanario) that amrried with leonor Rodrigues and are the parents of Filipa Sao > Tiago (born in 1689, my ancestor) and her brother Antonio de Abreu. Also > have some Abreu de Macedo from Ribeira Brava and Abreu de Sa from Lugar da > Serra. > > >From Faria family, this part comes from Sao Martinho (Funchal) in the early > 17th century. > > do you have your whole family tree done?? until which year?? Im sure we > probably are related in some point...the task is just find out with which > ancestor :) > > Leandro > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HELLO Leandro: Our Campanario relations were Gonsalves, Moniz, d'Abreu, Fernandes, and Faria. I did an extensive search of the films of the church Sao Braz and couldnot get any further than 1874 when my grandparents were married. I requested information from the Archives in Madeira and was told they didnot have records before that because of the church fire. My mother mentioned that very early in the 1800's the family came from Ribeira Grande. I also spoke with the Biachi family because they had a family search of our family because my grandmother was the Ama for their oldest son. He could not remember if they still had the information. That was in 1979. In the book Arquivo Historico da Madeira I see reference to the marriage of Joao de Abreu and Maria de Jesus in 1841, book 316 page 22. That was in the concelho de Camara de Lobos and I donot know if they were family. Very sorry that I cannot help you further with that part of the family but it has been a road block for six years. I had to take a leave of absence from searching because I had a husband who was ill, however I am now trying to get back into the swing of things again. Sincerely Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gregobhte1@aol.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Drumond family > Hi Margaret.... > > I have a few ancestors that comes from Campanario...among them are: Simao > Gomes Guedes that married in 1626 Ines Fernandes. That Simao is the son of Luis > Gomes Guedes Filho married in 1585 Francisca Duarte (from Tabua, where i have > many ancestors by the way). Ines Fernandes was the daugther of Manuel > Fernandes and Ana Goncalves (both from Campanario) > > Among my Abreu ancestors are Manuel Abreu from Ponta do Sol (not far from > Campanario) that amrried with leonor Rodrigues and are the parents of Filipa Sao > Tiago (born in 1689, my ancestor) and her brother Antonio de Abreu. Also > have some Abreu de Macedo from Ribeira Brava and Abreu de Sa from Lugar da > Serra. > > >From Faria family, this part comes from Sao Martinho (Funchal) in the early > 17th century. > > do you have your whole family tree done?? until which year?? Im sure we > probably are related in some point...the task is just find out with which > ancestor :) > > Leandro > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jose. Yes, the author of this article, 'A Ilha do Porto Santo, Aspectos etnologicos, economicos e etnograficos' Por Cesar Pestana (1954), references 'Ilhas do Zarco' in his short description of how at one time only 18 men and 7 women were left. I didn't really give this too much thought until recently when I was reading through the pages sent to me of 'Families of Maderia and Porto Santo', and there were a couple of entries where the daughters are listed and then note is made that they were kidnapped by the Moors. Quite fascinating, but understandably a sensitive topic. I will try to get copies of the books for interest sake. Now I have another question - I was going through subsídios Genealógicos' by Dr. Eugénio de Andrea da Cunha e Freitas (posted on the nesos site). While I understand the Portuguese I'm reading I'm not 100% sure what this account is for. It prefaces with " O cartório da Inquisição e todos o sabem, o mais rico manancial de informações historico-genealogicas que possuímos....madeirenses". So I thought perhaps I was dealing with records of the Inquisition, but it doesn't appear so. It also refers to the person in question as the 'habilitando'. Can anyone shed some light on what this document actually is and what 'habilitando' means? Also as a matter of interest - nesos has all the death certificates online for Sao Sebastiao, Camara dos Lobos from 1860 - 1910. Thanks, Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:27 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Porto Santo The sea between Madeira Island and Porto Santo is called the Travessa (crossing). It can be very rough and many have died in the past. There were many attacks by Moorish pirates in the 16 and 17 centuries. Also, many Madeirans took part in raids on the Moroccan coast. Some of it was kidnappings. People could be released with payments. That further impoverished the island. In lhas de Zarco, I have read that at one time according to the author, there were no more than 2 dozen Porto Santo islanders left. But there isn't much said after that. I don't know if it was ever accepted as fact. I believe that is also linked to the many women captives returned to the island pregnant. I suspect that this is an area that many would rather not talk about. On the other hand, I haven't seen too many writings on this. Gaspar Frutuoso in his 2nd book - Saudades da Terra, may comment on that but some of his writing (if not all) about Madeira was second hand. Janette, it is my opinion that this area could have more research done. Anyway, I am not sure if it is appropriate to send attachments on our list. But I do have some nice pictures of Porto Santo. If you send your e-mail I will send it to you. José Fernandes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi JL, Don't have these names on my list but will keep your email for future reference. I have a 1) Francisca Escorcio (may have a Vasconcellos after) married to a Manoel de Gois de Mendonca 1785 2) Maria Escorcio de Veloza (baptised 1788) married to Domingos Gois de Mendonca 1808. Maria's parents are listed as Pedro Escorcio de Britto and Quitéria Velosa Drumond. Any of these sound familiar? Thanks, Janette -----Original Message---- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Lake Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:07 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio research papagaia2 wrote: > Hi JL, > What other surnames are you researching at link with the Escorcio surname? > Pat > Hi Pat - Sorry for the delay - Here are some of the names I am researching: Escorcio de Mendonça, Amaro. born on 1888-01-25 Escorcio de Mendonça, João Escorcio de Mendonça, Antonio born abt 1837 Escorcio de Mendonça, Antonio born abt 1862 Escorcio, Florinda Conçeição Escorcio de Mendonça, José born abt 1862 Escorcio de Mendonça, Jacob Escorcio de Mendonça, Senhorina Escorcio de Mendonça, Eulália. -Jeff ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message