Hi, I went to the website to see if I could find an approximate price for printing these large trees. They do not have any prices listed. Can you give an a ballpark figure of the costs? Theresa > ------------Original Message------------ > From: "Katherine Hope Borges" <kvjjmmborges@msn.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, Feb-8-2007 8:24 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > Hi Philip, > > If you can live with your tree being printed in black and white at > Kinkos, > its alot less expensive. Some LDS FHCs also have the ability to do > print > outs of large trees; I know the one in Monterey, CA does. Its very > affordable too. > > Best regards, > Katherine > > > >From: "Cheryl Hamm" <hammc@localnet.com> > >Reply-To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:46:27 -0500 > > > >If you don't submit the data to them, they cannot sell it. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Cheryl Hamm > >hammc@localnet.com > >215-826-0833 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip > Rodrigues > >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:23 PM > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > >There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM > 2005 > >version and have printed many all in one trees. > >I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and > it > >worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I > take > >the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit > >expensive > >mind you. > >As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - I agree it's not > right > >but there is nothing I can do about it. > >Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that > practice. > >Just a thought. > >Philip > > > > > >----- Original Message ---- > >From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > > > >This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been > > >using > >Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded > to > >the > >2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the > comments > >below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. > You > >can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker > software > >which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in > one > >chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and > >descendents. > > > >Janette > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin > >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > >Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: > >1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so > >forth. > >2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards > >making it incompatible with other programs. > >3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they > >then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for > >accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my > >opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still > a > >DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is > free. > > > >Scot > > > >Philip Rodrigues wrote: > > > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it > for > >about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away > the > >best > >I've seen. > > > Philip > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > > > > > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works > very > >well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. > Just > >last > >night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) > family I > >came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the > daughter > >of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, > but > >her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very > easily > >handled collating the information. > > > > > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be > somewhat > >cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) > > >mixed > >up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > > > > Greg Lima > > > Washington State > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > > > > > > > >> Hey list - > > >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their > records? I > > >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch > to > > >> something else. > > >> Thanks > > >> JL > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >the > >quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > >

I was planning to say the same thing-no one HAS to submit their data...although they do keep asking! I've used both PAF and FTM and I'm not sure anyone here has mentioned the ONLY reason that I continue to use FTM. IF you have an ancestry subscription (which I hate doing - but end up renewing all the time), searching and finding info at the click of the button is AWESOME. Obviously, I am not talking about Madeiran research here...but US records, draft records, census records boat records etc can be found and merged to an individual with one click...right on that persons record. Of course, I would not go near anything having to do with their family trees... but the power of that feature is what keeps me with it (at least as long as I think there is more info out there that I need, and as long as I am willing to pay for my subscription). Yes I do know that much of this information is available in various other places for free...but it takes so much more searching. As long as I am paying...I will be happy to do lookups for anyone if you'd like! Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Janette Chun Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:21 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Yes. You're absolutely right. You're only asked to sign away the rights to the data when you want to upload to a web page. I've declined! Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Hamm Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:46 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software If you don't submit the data to them, they cannot sell it. Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:23 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM 2005 version and have printed many all in one trees. I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and it worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I take the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit expensive mind you. As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - I agree it's not right but there is nothing I can do about it. Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that practice. Just a thought. Philip ----- Original Message ---- From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been using Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to the 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and descendents. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards making it incompatible with other programs. 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. Scot Philip Rodrigues wrote: > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > Hope this helps > > Greg Lima > Washington State > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > >> Hey list - >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >> something else. >> Thanks >> JL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Touche! -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Hamm Sent: February 8, 2007 3:46 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software If you don't submit the data to them, they cannot sell it. Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:23 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM 2005 version and have printed many all in one trees. I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and it worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I take the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit expensive mind you. As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - I agree it's not right but there is nothing I can do about it. Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that practice. Just a thought. Philip ----- Original Message ---- From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been using Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to the 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and descendents. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards making it incompatible with other programs. 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. Scot Philip Rodrigues wrote: > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > Hope this helps > > Greg Lima > Washington State > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > >> Hey list - >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >> something else. >> Thanks >> JL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you don't submit the data to them, they cannot sell it. Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:23 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM 2005 version and have printed many all in one trees. I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and it worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I take the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit expensive mind you. As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - I agree it's not right but there is nothing I can do about it. Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that practice. Just a thought. Philip ----- Original Message ---- From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been using Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to the 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and descendents. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards making it incompatible with other programs. 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. Scot Philip Rodrigues wrote: > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > Hope this helps > > Greg Lima > Washington State > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > >> Hey list - >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >> something else. >> Thanks >> JL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Philip, If you can live with your tree being printed in black and white at Kinkos, its alot less expensive. Some LDS FHCs also have the ability to do print outs of large trees; I know the one in Monterey, CA does. Its very affordable too. Best regards, Katherine >From: "Cheryl Hamm" <hammc@localnet.com> >Reply-To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:46:27 -0500 > >If you don't submit the data to them, they cannot sell it. > >Thanks, > >Cheryl Hamm >hammc@localnet.com >215-826-0833 > >-----Original Message----- >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:23 PM >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > >There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM 2005 >version and have printed many all in one trees. >I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and it >worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I take >the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit >expensive >mind you. >As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - I agree it's not right >but there is nothing I can do about it. >Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that practice. >Just a thought. >Philip > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > >This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been >using >Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to >the >2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments >below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You >can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software >which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one >chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and >descendents. > >Janette > >-----Original Message----- >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > >Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: >1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so >forth. >2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards >making it incompatible with other programs. >3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they >then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for >accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my >opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a >DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. > >Scot > >Philip Rodrigues wrote: > > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for >about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the >best >I've seen. > > Philip > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very >well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just >last >night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I >came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter >of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but >her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily >handled collating the information. > > > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat >cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) >mixed >up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Greg Lima > > Washington State > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > > > > >> Hey list - > >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I > >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to > >> something else. > >> Thanks > >> JL > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the >quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes. You're absolutely right. You're only asked to sign away the rights to the data when you want to upload to a web page. I've declined! Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Hamm Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:46 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software If you don't submit the data to them, they cannot sell it. Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:23 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM 2005 version and have printed many all in one trees. I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and it worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I take the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit expensive mind you. As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - I agree it's not right but there is nothing I can do about it. Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that practice. Just a thought. Philip ----- Original Message ---- From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been using Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to the 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and descendents. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards making it incompatible with other programs. 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. Scot Philip Rodrigues wrote: > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > Hope this helps > > Greg Lima > Washington State > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > >> Hey list - >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >> something else. >> Thanks >> JL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, save it as a PDF on a CD and Kinkos can print it out easily! -------------- Original message -------------- From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> > Hi Bob, > > Yes...ancestor and descendent trees. I don't have a problem printing > these, but the 2006 version 16 does not allow for printing of an all in one > chart. It's still available on the pdf format on Family Tree, but not on > their chart printing software, which I think is supplied by a different > company. I didn't have this problem when I was using an ealier version. > > I don't have a plotter but maybe I should consider taking the file to a > Kinkos or similar outfit and see if they can print it out. > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > Janette > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bpitta@comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:15 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > I've been using FTM for several years without problem. Janette - when you > speak of the problem of printing charts, are you speaking of "Ancestor > Trees" and "Descendant Trees"? If so, I'd like to say I have no problem. > You should be able to print charts on any computer directly from the Family > Tree format, or you can use the "Export to Adobe" feature and print in the > Adobe format. In fact, I print charts over 10 feet long by 3 feet high on > my plotter. > Bob - Researching Madeira Pitta's > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Janette Chun > > > This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been > using > > Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to > the > > 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments > > below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You > > can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software > > which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one > > chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and > > descendents. > > > > Janette > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > > Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: > > 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so > forth. > > 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards > > making it incompatible with other programs. > > 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they > > then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for > > accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my > > opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a > > DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. > > > > Scot > > > > Philip Rodrigues wrote: > > > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for > > about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the > best > > I've seen. > > > Philip > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > > > > > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very > > well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last > > > night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family > I > > came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter > > > of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but > > her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily > > handled collating the information. > > > > > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat > > cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) > mixed > > up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > > > > Greg Lima > > > Washington State > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > From: Jeff Lake > > > > > > > > >> Hey list - > > >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I > > >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to > > >> something else. > > >> Thanks > > >> JL > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I've been using FTM for several years without problem. Janette - when you speak of the problem of printing charts, are you speaking of "Ancestor Trees" and "Descendant Trees"? If so, I'd like to say I have no problem. You should be able to print charts on any computer directly from the Family Tree format, or you can use the "Export to Adobe" feature and print in the Adobe format. In fact, I print charts over 10 feet long by 3 feet high on my plotter. Bob - Researching Madeira Pitta's -------------- Original message -------------- From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> > This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been using > Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to the > 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments > below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You > can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software > which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one > chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and > descendents. > > Janette > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: > 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. > 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards > making it incompatible with other programs. > 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they > then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for > accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my > opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a > DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. > > Scot > > Philip Rodrigues wrote: > > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for > about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best > I've seen. > > Philip > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very > well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last > night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I > came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter > of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but > her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily > handled collating the information. > > > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat > cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed > up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Greg Lima > > Washington State > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Jeff Lake > > > > > >> Hey list - > >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I > >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to > >> something else. > >> Thanks > >> JL > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jeff I use PAF and find it the best program around, especially if you're interested in keepin your source information. I started with FTM back in 1997 when I caught the genealogy bug. However, I got frustrated with their repeated upgrades, about two a year, to keep on getting their money. PAF is free to download, it is a pretty powerful program and I never had a problem with it. Never once needed to ask for support. I also do not agree with FTM's policy of selling info they get free. Ana Ghia-Pereira Ottawa, Canada Researching: Bengio, Bendrao, Ayash, Paxiuta, Guia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lake" <j@jlake.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:35 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > Hey list - > Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I > had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to > something else. > Thanks > JL >

Thanks Philip. I'll try Kinkos. I think that will be the best option. I actually checked the website for Charting Companion and they have in their FAQ section that they do not offer the ability to print all in one trees, that it is only available on the Family Tree software as a pdf, and they suggested contacting Family Tree. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:23 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM 2005 version and have printed many all in one trees. I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and it worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I take the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit expensive mind you. As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - I agree it's not right but there is nothing I can do about it. Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that practice. Just a thought. Philip ----- Original Message ---- From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been using Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to the 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and descendents. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards making it incompatible with other programs. 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. Scot Philip Rodrigues wrote: > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > Hope this helps > > Greg Lima > Washington State > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > >> Hey list - >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >> something else. >> Thanks >> JL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM 2005 version and have printed many all in one trees. I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and it worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I take the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit expensive mind you. As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - I agree it's not right but there is nothing I can do about it. Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that practice. Just a thought. Philip ----- Original Message ---- From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been using Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to the 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and descendents. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards making it incompatible with other programs. 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. Scot Philip Rodrigues wrote: > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > Hope this helps > > Greg Lima > Washington State > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > >> Hey list - >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >> something else. >> Thanks >> JL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

IMO, Family Tree Maker is for the average non-data person. I use PAF and give my parents a data file which they can load into FTM to view. FTM is a bit easier for them to understand the data. They have since learned how the whole data thing works and have started looking at the data using PAF. I do have a problem with FTM selling my data too. Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:57 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards making it incompatible with other programs. 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. Scot Philip Rodrigues wrote: > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > Hope this helps > > Greg Lima > Washington State > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > >> Hey list - >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >> something else. >> Thanks >> JL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I use PAF (from the Latter Day Saints) and PAF Companion. The price is right (free for PAF and $6 for Companion) and I have been very happy for years. Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Lake Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:36 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Hey list - Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to something else. Thanks JL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. Hope this helps Greg Lima Washington State -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > Hey list - > Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I > had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to > something else. > Thanks > JL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Cheri Mello uses The Master Genealogist so I asked her to comment on what she thought about the software: If you are in the market to switch genealogy software, you may want to check out the Genealogy Report Card. It is no longer updated. However, software programs (that are still in existence) have kept their strengths over the years. You can view it here: www.mumford.ca/reportcard The overall report can be found here: http://www.mumford.ca/reportcard/basechtoverall.html For those who want something pretty easy to learn, I suggest Family Tree Maker (FTM) or Personal Ancestral File (PAF). FTM has lots of upgrades to their program every year and lots of accessory CDs for you to buy. PAF has had no upgrades in the past 5(?) years and will not have any in the future. PAF is published by the LDS church and they are no longer supporting the program. I think they are looking into doing an online type genealogy software. For those who want free, there is PAF (in the above paragraph). Just remember it's no longer a supported program. There is also Legacy, which has two versions. The standard edition (free) and the deluxe version. Legacy has a basic interface and isn't too hard to use for the standard birth-marriage-death stuff. For those who are pretty comfortable with computers and want a program that can do it all and you can customize it somewhat, there's "The Master Genealogist." If you are transferring from another genealogy program, TMG can read the info directly and import it without a Gedcom. If you are starting out, the basic birth-marriage-death stuff isn't too bad. But if you want to use all the bells and whistles, TMG has quite a large learning curve. I think I've used TMG for about 10 years. At the time I bought it, I wanted a program that I wouldn't "outgrow." I also needed a program that could take at least a 19 character field complete with diacritics (non-English letters). Only one program could do that at the time, and that was TMG. However, your criteira might be different for choosing a program than mine. My criteria has changed over the years and TMG still meets my criteria. I suggest you look at the Genealogy Report Card and decide which features are the most important to you. Download the horse-and-pony show and try it out. See if your local genealogy society has any Users Groups where you could talk to others who use the program. One more note on TMG: Although it can print out in multiple languages, Portuguese is not one of them at this time. But it's in the works. Also TMG doesn't constantly upgrade their program (I think it's been 2 years). Yes they update, but not upgrade (For those who may not be familar....upgrade is when a developer goes from version 1.0 to verion 2.0 (or like from Windows XP to Windows Vista) and there is a fee but and update is when the developer sends patches, bug fixes, etc out which is version 1.1 to 1.2 (or like when Windows XP had to send out Service Pack 1 & 2 (SP1 & 2). Those are free). Also, TMG tech support is in MD. One of the tech support guys is part Madeiran too! Sincerely, Cheri Mello Azores Genealogy & TMG User

Family Treemaker. I've had no problems. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > Hey list - > Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I > had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to > something else. > Thanks > JL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob, Yes...ancestor and descendent trees. I don't have a problem printing these, but the 2006 version 16 does not allow for printing of an all in one chart. It's still available on the pdf format on Family Tree, but not on their chart printing software, which I think is supplied by a different company. I didn't have this problem when I was using an ealier version. I don't have a plotter but maybe I should consider taking the file to a Kinkos or similar outfit and see if they can print it out. Any tips greatly appreciated. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bpitta@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software I've been using FTM for several years without problem. Janette - when you speak of the problem of printing charts, are you speaking of "Ancestor Trees" and "Descendant Trees"? If so, I'd like to say I have no problem. You should be able to print charts on any computer directly from the Family Tree format, or you can use the "Export to Adobe" feature and print in the Adobe format. In fact, I print charts over 10 feet long by 3 feet high on my plotter. Bob - Researching Madeira Pitta's -------------- Original message -------------- From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> > This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been using > Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to the > 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments > below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You > can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software > which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one > chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and > descendents. > > Janette > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: > 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. > 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards > making it incompatible with other programs. > 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they > then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for > accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my > opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a > DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. > > Scot > > Philip Rodrigues wrote: > > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for > about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best > I've seen. > > Philip > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very > well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last > night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I > came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter > of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but > her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily > handled collating the information. > > > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat > cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed > up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Greg Lima > > Washington State > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Jeff Lake > > > > > >> Hey list - > >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I > >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to > >> something else. > >> Thanks > >> JL > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been using Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year upgraded to the 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur with the comments below and I find the printing of charts a very frustrating exercise. You can't print charts unless you use the accompanying chart maker software which again has limitations - for example you can't print an all in one chart...you can only produce individual charts for ancestors and descendents. Janette -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards making it incompatible with other programs. 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. Scot Philip Rodrigues wrote: > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > Hope this helps > > Greg Lima > Washington State > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > >> Hey list - >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >> something else. >> Thanks >> JL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM standards making it incompatible with other programs. 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is free. Scot Philip Rodrigues wrote: > I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. > Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > > Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > > Hope this helps > > Greg Lima > Washington State > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > > >> Hey list - >> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I >> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >> something else. >> Thanks >> JL >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the best I've seen. Philip ----- Original Message ---- From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. Hope this helps Greg Lima Washington State -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> > Hey list - > Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? I > had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to > something else. > Thanks > JL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message