Hi Linda: Would I not need film #'s......where would I begin.....you sound like a pro. :-) On 7/24/07, MINERROOTS@aol.com <MINERROOTS@aol.com> wrote: > Paula, > > These records are found on the microfilms that can be ordered through the > L.D.S church via your local family history center. > > I tried to find the marriage of Venceslau and will look again when I go back > to the library this thursday. I know that his marriage is not listed on ARM, > but it could be one of those marriages that accidentally was recorded on/in > the wrong book (christening) which I, too, have seen happen several times while > viewing records. Venceslau had a brother Bernardino chr. 30 Mar 1830, B. 20 > Mar 1830. > > I can also look for the birth of his children (if they were born in Arco Da > Calheta). But they certainly could of been born somewhere else on the island. > > Wish me luck > > Linda Teixeira Crandall > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paula, These records are found on the microfilms that can be ordered through the L.D.S church via your local family history center. I tried to find the marriage of Venceslau and will look again when I go back to the library this thursday. I know that his marriage is not listed on ARM, but it could be one of those marriages that accidentally was recorded on/in the wrong book (christening) which I, too, have seen happen several times while viewing records. Venceslau had a brother Bernardino chr. 30 Mar 1830, B. 20 Mar 1830. I can also look for the birth of his children (if they were born in Arco Da Calheta). But they certainly could of been born somewhere else on the island. Wish me luck Linda Teixeira Crandall ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hello Linda: I was wondering how I may obtain copies of these records you have found. Please advise me further. Thanks Paula On 7/19/07, minerroots@aol.com <minerroots@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello Paula, > > Whenever someone mentions my grandparents village of Arco da Calheta, my eyes grow large. I do not have any information concerning your potential gg grandparents travel, however I did a look up on the films of Arco da Calheta and found the christening of Vencislau. He was christened on 22 Mar 1827, he was born on the 2nd of March. Interesting to note that on the left margin of the record it says Vencislau fo de Joao Roiz Fra. However in the record it gives the father's name as Manuel Rodrigues Ferreira (a mistake I assume) and the mother's name Margarida Antonia. Joao and Margarida were married on 14 Apr 1825 in Arco with Joao's parents being Jose Rodrigues Ferreira and Maria da Ressurecio(deceased). Margarida's parents were Antonio Rodrigues Capelo and Maria de Jesus. I hope you can actually confirm that this is your family. The genealogy goes back even further in Arco da Calheta. Do you know if Vencislau married in Madeira? > > Best of luck > Linda Teixeira Crandall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paula Fernandes <paulamffernandes@gmail.com> > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:57 pm > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Venceslau Rodrigues Ferreira > > > > > Any information: Trying to bridge the gap of my ancestors from Madeira to > emerara, South America. Thsi information is taken from Arm Arquivo data > ase. I have reson to believe these are my gg grand parents. Any > onnections I would love to communicate with you. Also researching D'abreu > rom Maderia to Georgetown, Demerara, Guyan, South America. > Petitioner Venceslau Rodrigues Ferreira Spouse Gregória Rodrigues > ompanion Carolina de Jesus Kinship Criada Parish/Country Arco da > alheta-RAM Destination Demerara Year 1872 Month Box 3 Process Nº > 8 Passport > º 2086 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 3/22/1827 Age (Petitioner) 45 Father > Petitioner) João Rodrigues Ferreira Mother (Petitioner) Margarida > ntónia Father > Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel Rodrigues Ferreira > 12 anos) e Maria (3 anos) Comments O filho Manuel é natural de Demerara. > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paula- My dad's first cousin, Rosa Beatriz de Lima, married Henrique Pestana March 1, 1924 in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Henrique (Henry) was born February 13, 1893 in Camara dos Lobos, Madeira. Several years ago I located Henrique and Rosa's two daughters who live in Massachusetts, and I have corresponded with them regularly ever since. From them I learned that Henrique's mother was Leopoldina R. d'Abreu. She was a hotel maid; his biological father was an unknown Englishman who was one of the hotel guests. Leopoldina married Manoel Pestana to give Henrique a last name. Henrique had an unknown number of half-brothers and half-sisters and was treated badly because he was blond, blue-eyed, and light-skinned (most likely inherited from his biological father) in a family of much darker people. After his mother died, he made his way to the U.S.A. Departing Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Azores, Portugal on August 14, 1920 he sailed on the S.S. Roma. Henrique did not keep in touch with his family after immigrating to the U.S.A. The daughters learned this information from listening to their parents' hushed conversations when the girls were thought to have been out of earshot. Does this correlate with facts you have? Please let me know if you can add further information. Greg Lima Washington State ---- Paula Fernandes <paulamffernandes@gmail.com> wrote: ============= Wow!!!! I was not sure that I would hear anything. Thank you for such a quick reply and to provide me with more details that you found on the Arco films. How does one access these? Where are you located? Did Vencislau marry in Madeira? I assume he did as he was travelling with wife Gregoria and two kids, Manuel 12 anos and Maria 3 anos. in 1872 and he was age 45. Assuming these were the only children they had as I do not have any further details. He got married late for a Portuguese man. So I would assume circa marriage to be 1859 1860 based o Manuel being 12 and assuming he was the first born?. Is there anything further that you can check for me or advise me where I may do so???? Maria 3 years travelling with them is my g grandmother and we know that she arrived in Demerara at a very young age. The names Vencislau and Gregoria are in my records and were confirmed by elders. These names are not the very common Manuels and Antonios. So I can only hope I am on the right path to bridging my Maderia South America connections. Any further help, suggestions are appreciated. This is the first real anything in Maderia......I have to follow through with this and would welcome any additional help. I am also researching Pestana of Camara da Lobos with no real luck hear. Cheers Paula On 7/19/07, minerroots@aol.com <minerroots@aol.com> wrote: > > > Hello Paula, > > Whenever someone mentions my grandparents village of Arco da Calheta, my > eyes grow large. I do not have any information concerning your potential gg > grandparents travel, however I did a look up on the films of Arco da Calheta > and found the christening of Vencislau. He was christened on 22 Mar 1827, he > was born on the 2nd of March. Interesting to note that on the left margin of > the record it says Vencislau fo de Joao Roiz Fra. However in the record it > gives the father's name as Manuel Rodrigues Ferreira (a mistake I assume) > and the mother's name Margarida Antonia. Joao and Margarida were married on > 14 Apr 1825 in Arco with Joao's parents being Jose Rodrigues Ferreira and > Maria da Ressurecio(deceased). Margarida's parents were Antonio Rodrigues > Capelo and Maria de Jesus. I hope you can actually confirm that this is your > family. The genealogy goes back even further in Arco da Calheta. Do you know > if Vencislau married in Madeira? > > Best of luck > Linda Teixeira Crandall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paula Fernandes <paulamffernandes@gmail.com> > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:57 pm > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Venceslau Rodrigues Ferreira > > > > > Any information: Trying to bridge the gap of my ancestors from Madeira to > emerara, South America. Thsi information is taken from Arm Arquivo data > ase. I have reson to believe these are my gg grand parents. Any > onnections I would love to communicate with you. Also researching D'abreu > rom Maderia to Georgetown, Demerara, Guyan, South America. > Petitioner Venceslau Rodrigues Ferreira Spouse Gregória Rodrigues > ompanion Carolina de Jesus Kinship Criada Parish/Country Arco da > alheta-RAM Destination Demerara Year 1872 Month Box 3 Process Nº > 8 Passport > º 2086 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 3/22/1827 Age (Petitioner) > 45 Father > Petitioner) João Rodrigues Ferreira Mother (Petitioner) Margarida > ntónia Father > Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel Rodrigues Ferreira > 12 anos) e Maria (3 anos) Comments O filho Manuel é natural de Demerara. > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Hi Linda.... Just a small note to say that Joao Roiz Fra actually means joao rodrigues ferreira. Those words: Roiz means rodrigues as abreviation and Fra means ferreira as abreviation. Take care Leandro

Wow!!!! I was not sure that I would hear anything. Thank you for such a quick reply and to provide me with more details that you found on the Arco films. How does one access these? Where are you located? Did Vencislau marry in Madeira? I assume he did as he was travelling with wife Gregoria and two kids, Manuel 12 anos and Maria 3 anos. in 1872 and he was age 45. Assuming these were the only children they had as I do not have any further details. He got married late for a Portuguese man. So I would assume circa marriage to be 1859 1860 based o Manuel being 12 and assuming he was the first born?. Is there anything further that you can check for me or advise me where I may do so???? Maria 3 years travelling with them is my g grandmother and we know that she arrived in Demerara at a very young age. The names Vencislau and Gregoria are in my records and were confirmed by elders. These names are not the very common Manuels and Antonios. So I can only hope I am on the right path to bridging my Maderia South America connections. Any further help, suggestions are appreciated. This is the first real anything in Maderia......I have to follow through with this and would welcome any additional help. I am also researching Pestana of Camara da Lobos with no real luck hear. Cheers Paula On 7/19/07, minerroots@aol.com <minerroots@aol.com> wrote: > > > Hello Paula, > > Whenever someone mentions my grandparents village of Arco da Calheta, my > eyes grow large. I do not have any information concerning your potential gg > grandparents travel, however I did a look up on the films of Arco da Calheta > and found the christening of Vencislau. He was christened on 22 Mar 1827, he > was born on the 2nd of March. Interesting to note that on the left margin of > the record it says Vencislau fo de Joao Roiz Fra. However in the record it > gives the father's name as Manuel Rodrigues Ferreira (a mistake I assume) > and the mother's name Margarida Antonia. Joao and Margarida were married on > 14 Apr 1825 in Arco with Joao's parents being Jose Rodrigues Ferreira and > Maria da Ressurecio(deceased). Margarida's parents were Antonio Rodrigues > Capelo and Maria de Jesus. I hope you can actually confirm that this is your > family. The genealogy goes back even further in Arco da Calheta. Do you know > if Vencislau married in Madeira? > > Best of luck > Linda Teixeira Crandall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paula Fernandes <paulamffernandes@gmail.com> > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:57 pm > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Venceslau Rodrigues Ferreira > > > > > Any information: Trying to bridge the gap of my ancestors from Madeira to > emerara, South America. Thsi information is taken from Arm Arquivo data > ase. I have reson to believe these are my gg grand parents. Any > onnections I would love to communicate with you. Also researching D'abreu > rom Maderia to Georgetown, Demerara, Guyan, South America. > Petitioner Venceslau Rodrigues Ferreira Spouse Gregória Rodrigues > ompanion Carolina de Jesus Kinship Criada Parish/Country Arco da > alheta-RAM Destination Demerara Year 1872 Month Box 3 Process Nº > 8 Passport > º 2086 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 3/22/1827 Age (Petitioner) > 45 Father > Petitioner) João Rodrigues Ferreira Mother (Petitioner) Margarida > ntónia Father > Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel Rodrigues Ferreira > 12 anos) e Maria (3 anos) Comments O filho Manuel é natural de Demerara. > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Paula, Whenever someone mentions my grandparents village of Arco da Calheta, my eyes grow large.  I do not have any information concerning your potential gg grandparents travel, however I did a look up on the films of Arco da Calheta and found the christening of Vencislau.  He was christened on 22 Mar 1827, he was born on the 2nd of March.  Interesting to note that on the left margin of the record it says Vencislau fo de Joao Roiz Fra.  However in the record it gives the father's name as Manuel Rodrigues Ferreira (a mistake I assume) and the mother's name Margarida Antonia.  Joao and Margarida were married on 14 Apr 1825 in Arco with Joao's parents being Jose Rodrigues Ferreira and Maria da Ressurecio(deceased).  Margarida's parents were Antonio Rodrigues Capelo and Maria de Jesus.  I hope you can actually confirm that this is your family.  The genealogy goes back even further in Arco da Calheta.  Do you know if Vencislau married in Madeira? Best of luck Linda Teixeira Crandall -----Original Message----- From: Paula Fernandes <paulamffernandes@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:57 pm Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Venceslau Rodrigues Ferreira Any information: Trying to bridge the gap of my ancestors from Madeira to emerara, South America. Thsi information is taken from Arm Arquivo data ase. I have reson to believe these are my gg grand parents. Any onnections I would love to communicate with you. Also researching D'abreu rom Maderia to Georgetown, Demerara, Guyan, South America. Petitioner Venceslau Rodrigues Ferreira Spouse Gregória Rodrigues ompanion Carolina de Jesus Kinship Criada Parish/Country Arco da alheta-RAM Destination Demerara Year 1872 Month Box 3 Process Nº 8 Passport º 2086 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 3/22/1827 Age (Petitioner) 45 Father Petitioner) João Rodrigues Ferreira Mother (Petitioner) Margarida ntónia Father Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel Rodrigues Ferreira 12 anos) e Maria (3 anos) Comments O filho Manuel é natural de Demerara. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Any information: Trying to bridge the gap of my ancestors from Madeira to Demerara, South America. Thsi information is taken from Arm Arquivo data base. I have reson to believe these are my gg grand parents. Any connections I would love to communicate with you. Also researching D'abreu from Maderia to Georgetown, Demerara, Guyan, South America. Petitioner Venceslau Rodrigues Ferreira Spouse Gregória Rodrigues Companion Carolina de Jesus Kinship Criada Parish/Country Arco da Calheta-RAM Destination Demerara Year 1872 Month Box 3 Process Nº 58 Passport Nº 2086 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 3/22/1827 Age (Petitioner) 45 Father (Petitioner) João Rodrigues Ferreira Mother (Petitioner) Margarida Antónia Father (Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel Rodrigues Ferreira (12 anos) e Maria (3 anos) Comments O filho Manuel é natural de Demerara.

For those of you that were wondering how long and how much it cost to get records from the Madeira Archives, I thought that I would relay my experiences. There are 3 ways to get the records you need. You can either Wire a amount into their bank, send a personal check or send an international money order. IMPORTANT: Make sure you keep a copy of your check, wire receipt or money order. I first sent a wire of 30 dollars converted into Euro's. This is a very expensive way to do it, but has a very fast turnaround. The cost at the bank that I used, CITI, was $40.00. The time it took for the Madeira Archives to verify the amount and send my documents was about 1 week. The second time I sent a personal check, which only cost the amount of a stamp and of course the amount for converting into Euros. This took one month. This includes the processing time of their bank as well as my bank in cashing it. I have not yet received any of the documentation that I requested on June 23rd, but they did inform me that the money, $70.00 has been converted and the amount in the account is 51 Euros and that the documents I have requested, 6 marriage documents, will cost a total of 10.40 Euros or abount 1.3 Euros each. The third way, international money order, I did not use. However, the time it takes to convert into Euros would not be in the calculation since it would already be in Euro's as well as the time it takes once they receive it and process a check. The cost based on the initial $30.00 came out to about $6.00 per record. Which is very cheap to say the least! Once they scanned the record they will e-mail directly to you if you supply them with an e-mail address. Part of the $6.00 fee per record includes the fee for e-mailing and scanning. My initial records consisted of 1 Passport and 4 marriage records. I had two marriage records as jpg file and the others were in pdf format. They keep a file of everyone that request information. Make sure that you make a copy or your check etc. as a jpg or gif to attach to any e-mail where you request documents. Tom Freitas

Margaret: Thank you. Ronnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco > Dear Ron: > The correct adress for the Hawaii assistance is > ISLANDROUTES@ISLANDROUTES.COM > You would get more from islandroutes and the first one I gave. Another > person is doing the same. > > Good luck > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronnie French" <rmfrench@charter.net> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:36 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco > > >> Margaret, would she mind if I contacted her too. I have family that > sailed >> back and forth and I'm trying to pin down when, where, and who else went >> with them and may have stayed in Calif or elsewhere. >> >> Ronnie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> >> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco >> >> >> > Tom: >> > Contact treeclimbr@att.net >> > She is a very informed person on what you are searching for about >> > Hawaii >> > and >> > the imigrants etc. >> > >> > Tell her that Margaret recommended you. >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Thomas Freitas" <family@railsoft.com> >> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:44 AM >> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco >> > >> > >> >> Does anyone know of a web site that list ships and possible passengers >> >> that sailed from Hawaii to San Francisco around 1892? >> >> >> >> Tom Freitas >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We have an aunt who was from the family of Tello and Escorcio. Her father was Joao Telles b. 1862 born in Porto da Cruz, Madeira Island and his wife Christiana Escorcio from Porto da Cruz. They left for Hawaii and farmed and raised also six children. He was listed as 54 and the wife as 24. Joao was 5 foot 3" and his wife Christiana as 5 foot 1". The children were listed as Maria b. 1892, John b. 1902, Beatrice b. 1907, and Virginia 1899. The children were all born in Sao Luzia, Porto da Cruz, Madeira. It is easy to see why they were from Porto da Cruz as that is close to where you can easily arrive from Porto Santo. Also there are Drummonds who migrated to California from Hawaii and Porto Santo They sailed from Madeira to Hawaii in 1906 on the ship Swanley and remained there for many years and are buried there. The daughter Maria met her future spouse on that ship and after several years they migrated to Oakland California in the 1920's. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Roias" <jroias@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question Thanks, but I cannot find anything attached. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Paiva" <dan_paiva@hotmail.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question > Hi John, > > I don't how much value this is, but attached is a Descendancy list of the > Drummond clan. It was supposedly derived from the Carlos Machado > manuscripts > by Rev. Joe Viveiros in Dartmouth, MA. Granted it is sketchy and somewhat > short on details, but it may help identify some of the successive > generations. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Ok, I think I have the line straightened out. I got the information from a > combination of the Portugal List, the Noronha works and Sapo. Here is how > it > goes, at least for our line: > > 1) Joao Drummond or Escorcio cc (1) Branca Afonso da Cunha and (2) cc > Catharina Vaz > 2) Branca Afonso Drummond (1) cc Belchior Goncalves Ferreira (This line > goes > way back, see Sapo) > 3) Belchior Goncalves Escorcio cc Ana Ferreira > 4) Catarina Escorcio cc Francsico Afonso das Cortes > 5) Ana Escorcio cc Diogo Dias Brandao > > Thankfully, I was able to save all my information from the old hard drive! > Remember back up your data to independent media! > > JR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Roias" <jroias@rogers.com> > To: <Denise1270@aol.com>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question > > > Sorry, I am unable to find my source-notes at this time. My computer > crashed > and I am trying to find and save as many files as possible. > > I think I got the info from Noronha, and the connection from Sao Miguel to > Madeira, I just can't recall the source, offhand. I should have placed my > info in the notes of the program. > > JR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise1270@aol.com > To: jroias@rogers.com ; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:36 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question > > > Hi John, > > As you know, this is my line too. The info I have on Catarina > Escorcio's > parents is incomplete, but I have her father listed as Joao Ferreira ou > Escorcio born on Madeira with no mother listed...So I am clearly missing > something here. My question to you is; did John Drummond ever use > Ferreira > in any record, or is this Joao I have mentioned the "missing link" you > were > talking about? > > Denise D'Antona > > In a message dated 7/4/2007 8:59:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jroias@rogers.com writes: > I noticed Paulo's reference to the Azores, and that some people passed > through Madeira before settling in the Azores. This was true of the > Colombreiro's for certain, who and there are Moura's in Santa Maria and > Sao > Miguel. > > In any event it occurred to me that I could try asking about my > Brandao - Escocia ancestors from Sao Miguel. > > Does anyone know if the following is correct:, or of any connections > from Madeira to Sao Miguel regarding the Escorcia line? I think I may be > missing a generation, or it is simply wrong. > > JR > > Descendants of Francisco Afonso das Cortes > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. FRANCISCO AFONSO DAS1 CORTES He married CATARINA ESCORCIO, > daughter > of JOAO DRUMMOND OU ESCOSCIO and BRANCA AFONSO. > > > Child of FRANCISCO CORTES and CATARINA ESCORCIO is: > > 2. i. ANA2 ESCORCIO. > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > 2. ANA2 ESCORCIO She married DIOGO DIAS BRANDAO > > Child of ANA ESCORCIO and DIOGO BRAND©ÐO is: > > 3. i. MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO, b. resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > 3. MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO was born in resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. > She > married ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO Abt. 1540 in Nordeste- Sao > Jorge, son of JOAO AFONSO and ISABEL BRANDAO. He was resident of Nordeste- > (Sao Jorge igreja), Sao Miguel > > Notes for ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO: > > Cavaleiro de Santiago, cited by Frutuoso in book four, chapter 36, > item15, and chapter 14 , item 15 > > > Child of MONICA BRANDAO and ANTONIO AFONSO is: > > i. BEATRIZ4 BRANDAO, b. residents of Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste; m. > GASPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS, Abt. 1575, Nordeste- Sao Jorge; b. residents of > Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste. > > Notes for GASPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS: > > Gaspar de Teves Mesa was born in Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste, Sao > Miguel, A©'ores. 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Dear Ron: The correct adress for the Hawaii assistance is ISLANDROUTES@ISLANDROUTES.COM You would get more from islandroutes and the first one I gave. Another person is doing the same. Good luck Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie French" <rmfrench@charter.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco > Margaret, would she mind if I contacted her too. I have family that sailed > back and forth and I'm trying to pin down when, where, and who else went > with them and may have stayed in Calif or elsewhere. > > Ronnie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:39 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco > > > > Tom: > > Contact treeclimbr@att.net > > She is a very informed person on what you are searching for about Hawaii > > and > > the imigrants etc. > > > > Tell her that Margaret recommended you. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Freitas" <family@railsoft.com> > > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:44 AM > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco > > > > > >> Does anyone know of a web site that list ships and possible passengers > >> that sailed from Hawaii to San Francisco around 1892? > >> > >> Tom Freitas > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes Ronnie please do. She is always ready to help. Very informative and a gracious person. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie French" <rmfrench@charter.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco > Margaret, would she mind if I contacted her too. I have family that sailed > back and forth and I'm trying to pin down when, where, and who else went > with them and may have stayed in Calif or elsewhere. > > Ronnie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:39 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco > > > > Tom: > > Contact treeclimbr@att.net > > She is a very informed person on what you are searching for about Hawaii > > and > > the imigrants etc. > > > > Tell her that Margaret recommended you. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Freitas" <family@railsoft.com> > > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:44 AM > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] ships from Hawaii to San Francisco > > > > > >> Does anyone know of a web site that list ships and possible passengers > >> that sailed from Hawaii to San Francisco around 1892? > >> > >> Tom Freitas > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quo tes in the subject and the body of the message

Of course not all Drummonds will be in the discussions. most involved pedigrees from Brazil or 1700's back. But here is a link for you to try. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/PRT/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PORTUGAL/2000-04/0955653618 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PORTUGAL/2000-04 JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dar Creuzer" <dar.creuzer@gmail.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Drummond > John I put in Portugal rootsweb and only come up with rootsweb from > USA. Is there one just for Portugal? What is the link. I'm getting > nothing.The Drummonds are in my family line. My great grandfather was > Manuel Gaspar`Drummond but when he went to Hawaii he dropped the > Drummond. Thanks Dar > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

JR - thank you for the link- I realize not all Drummonds will be discussed but it is nice and interesting to read what others have to say and it brings new areas I haven't even thought about before. Thanks for the link.Dar 07, John Roias <jroias@rogers.com> wrote: > Of course not all Drummonds will be in the discussions. most involved > pedigrees from Brazil or 1700's back. > > But here is a link for you to try. > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/PRT/ > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PORTUGAL/2000-04/0955653618 > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PORTUGAL/2000-04 > > JR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dar Creuzer" <dar.creuzer@gmail.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:49 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Drummond > > > > John I put in Portugal rootsweb and only come up with rootsweb from > > USA. Is there one just for Portugal? What is the link. I'm getting > > nothing.The Drummonds are in my family line. My great grandfather was > > Manuel Gaspar`Drummond but when he went to Hawaii he dropped the > > Drummond. Thanks Dar > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John I put in Portugal rootsweb and only come up with rootsweb from USA. Is there one just for Portugal? What is the link. I'm getting nothing.The Drummonds are in my family line. My great grandfather was Manuel Gaspar`Drummond but when he went to Hawaii he dropped the Drummond. Thanks Dar

Gaspar Gonçalves Ferreira (cc Catharina Annes) and Belchior Gonçalves Ferreira cc (Branca Afonso), were brothers, and they both married sisters, daughters of John Drummond and Catharina Escocia. JR

http://www.martin.romano.org/ps05/ps05_413.htm I suggest the following for more information on the Drummonds and related families. These sources are solid. If you go to the Portugal Rootsweb site and type in Drummond or Escorcio, you will find a lot of information on the Drummmonds from some very good researchers. One is Professor Francisco Doria considered to be one of the most learned Portuguese genealogists today. Also check the above site, which is a compilation of much of what was discussed on the Portugal List. It was my connection to the already existing Drummond information that I was trying to establish. I now see it was in Noronha all along in the "Ferreira" line, just as Denise pointed out. JR

Denise.... you are right,....this catarina that i refered actually married twice. once with pedro teixeira e then with gaspar goncalves ferreira. About your catarina, i think that first of all you should find some date...something that you can really be sure about and from that date would be easier to place her on the family picture...what do u think? leandro -----Original Message----- From: Denise1270@aol.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 6.16pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question i Leandro, he Catarina Escorcio that we are looking into is the one married to rancisco Afonso das Cortes in Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel. s for the Catarina that was the daughter of John Drummond and Branca fonso, I have her as Catarina Anes Drummond married to Gaspar Goncalves erreira. don't have a second marriage for her but it could be possible. enise n a message dated 7/9/2007 1:08:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, regobhte1@aol.com writes: Denise, I think that SAPO has some confusion...yes! but overall i found it quite eliable because it is based in a couple of sources that they show on the left corner of the page. bout catarina escorcio...i think she is the daughter of John drummond and ranca afonso. she married abt 1505 with Pedro teixeira (grandson of tristao az teixeira). that info i got from the book familias da gaula, plus SAPO. I hink couldbe pretty accurate....what do u think?? Leandro -----Original Message----- rom: Denise1270@aol.com o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 5.56pm ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question Leandro, ice hearing from you. I have found many inconsistencies in the obiliario. ith this situation, I question the marriage date of 1563, though the ARM es show a couple with similar names marry in 1563, I thought that date was ttle late for the people we are talking about. would like to find out who are actually Catarina Escorcio's parents at is point. The line that John Roias and I tie in to is the branch that located to Sao Miguel, the line is getting a little confusing to point us n e ght direction. also find the SAPO web site to have errors or confusing information on it, ve you noticed that as well? enise n a message dated 7/9/2007 12:48:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, egobhte1@aol.com writes: i Denise..... Although the nobiliario from Henrique henriques de noronha is taken as a od source, lately has been discovered that many of his sources was abricated" to enhance his family towards nobility. the best way to really sure if meone descends from the John Drummond family is to find a relative or cestor that carries the escorcio or drummond surname, once we know that he ly y to carry that name is coming from the same family, specially if that anch comes from areas like santa cruz, gaula or machico. leandro ---Original Message----- om: Denise1270@aol.com : prt-madeira@rootsweb.com nt: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 5.33pm bject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question ohn, as looking through Saudades Livro IV this morning and it says Catarina orcia (married to Francisco Afonso das Cortes) was the daughter of Joao calves Ferreira, da Serra de Agua and his wife Catarina Afonso. It says o cends from Belchior Goncalves Escorcio who is one of the sons of Branca nso Drummond and Belchior Goncalves Ferreira. ou have access to that book? If so, The chapter they are in starts on e 125. The info about Catarina Escorcio is on page 127 bottom right rner agraph. n if you look at Noronha's Nobiliario, he says Belchior Goncalves orcio married Ana Ferreira 9 Jan 1563 in the Se of Funchal. It shows eir o aka da Serra da Agua, relocate to Sao Miguel with his wife Catarina nso, but only shows two children, Afonso Goncalves Ferreira and Pedro calves reira...No mention of Catarina. thoughts? nise D'Antona a message dated 7/8/2007 9:41:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ias@rogers.com writes: anks, but I cannot find anything attached. -- Original Message ----- m: "Dan Paiva" <dan_paiva@hotmail.com> <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> t: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:42 PM ject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question i John, don't how much value this is, but attached is a Descendancy list of the ummond clan. It was supposedly derived from the Carlos Machado nuscripts Rev. Joe Viveiros in Dartmouth, MA. Granted it is sketchy and somewhat ort on details, but it may help identify some of the successive nerations. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ k, I think I have the line straightened out. I got the information from a mbination of the Portugal List, the Noronha works and Sapo. Here is how es, at least for our line: ) Joao Drummond or Escorcio cc (1) Branca Afonso da Cunha and (2) cc tharina Vaz Branca Afonso Drummond (1) cc Belchior Goncalves Ferreira (This line es y back, see Sapo) Belchior Goncalves Escorcio cc Ana Ferreira Catarina Escorcio cc Francsico Afonso das Cortes Ana Escorcio cc Diogo Dias Brandao hankfully, I was able to save all my information from the old hard drive! member back up your data to independent media! R --- Original Message ----- om: "John Roias" <jroias@rogers.com> : <Denise1270@aol.com>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> nt: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:14 PM bject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question orry, I am unable to find my source-notes at this time. My computer ashed d I am trying to find and save as many files as possible. think I got the info from Noronha, and the connection from Sao Miguel to deira, I just can't recall the source, offhand. I should have placed my fo in the notes of the program. R --- Original Message ----- om: Denise1270@aol.com : jroias@rogers.com ; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com nt: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:36 AM bject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question i John, s you know, this is my line too. The info I have on Catarina corcio's rents is incomplete, but I have her father listed as Joao Ferreira ou corcio born on Madeira with no mother listed...So I am clearly missing mething here. My question to you is; did John Drummond ever use rreira any record, or is this Joao I have mentioned the "missing link" you re lking about? enise D'Antona n a message dated 7/4/2007 8:59:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, oias@rogers.com writes: oticed Paulo's reference to the Azores, and that some people passed rough Madeira before settling in the Azores. This was true of the lombreiro's for certain, who and there are Moura's in Santa Maria and o guel. n any event it occurred to me that I could try asking about my andao - Escocia ancestors from Sao Miguel. oes anyone know if the following is correct:, or of any connections om Madeira to Sao Miguel regarding the Escorcia line? I think I may be ssing a generation, or it is simply wrong. R escendants of Francisco Afonso das Cortes eneration No. 1 . FRANCISCO AFONSO DAS1 CORTES He married CATARINA ESCORCIO, ughter JOAO DRUMMOND OU ESCOSCIO and BRANCA AFONSO. hild of FRANCISCO CORTES and CATARINA ESCORCIO is: . i. ANA2 ESCORCIO. Generation No. 2 . ANA2 ESCORCIO She married DIOGO DIAS BRANDAO hild of ANA ESCORCIO and DIOGO BRAND©ÐO is: . i. MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO, b. resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. Generation No. 3 . MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO was born in resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. e rried ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO Abt. 1540 in Nordeste- Sao rge, son of JOAO AFONSO and ISABEL BRANDAO. He was resident of Nordeste- ao Jorge igreja), Sao Miguel otes for ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO: avaleiro de Santiago, cited by Frutuoso in book four, chapter 36, em15, and chapter 14 , item 15 hild of MONICA BRANDAO and ANTONIO AFONSO is: . BEATRIZ4 BRANDAO, b. residents of Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste; m. SPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS, Abt. 1575, Nordeste- Sao Jorge; b. residents of mba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste. otes for GASPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS: aspar de Teves Mesa was born in Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste, Sao guel, A©'ores. 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Hi Leandro, The Catarina Escorcio that we are looking into is the one married to Francisco Afonso das Cortes in Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel. As for the Catarina that was the daughter of John Drummond and Branca Afonso, I have her as Catarina Anes Drummond married to Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira. I don't have a second marriage for her but it could be possible. Denise In a message dated 7/9/2007 1:08:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gregobhte1@aol.com writes: Denise, I think that SAPO has some confusion...yes! but overall i found it quite reliable because it is based in a couple of sources that they show on the left corner of the page. about catarina escorcio...i think she is the daughter of John drummond and branca afonso. she married abt 1505 with Pedro teixeira (grandson of tristao vaz teixeira). that info i got from the book familias da gaula, plus SAPO. I think couldbe pretty accurate....what do u think?? Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Denise1270@aol.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 5.56pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question i Leandro, ice hearing from you. I have found many inconsistencies in the Nobiliario. With this situation, I question the marriage date of 1563, though the ARM oes show a couple with similar names marry in 1563, I thought that date was a ittle late for the people we are talking about. would like to find out who are actually Catarina Escorcio's parents at his point. The line that John Roias and I tie in to is the branch that elocated to Sao Miguel, the line is getting a little confusing to point us in he ight direction. also find the SAPO web site to have errors or confusing information on it, ave you noticed that as well? enise n a message dated 7/9/2007 12:48:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, regobhte1@aol.com writes: i Denise..... Although the nobiliario from Henrique henriques de noronha is taken as a ood source, lately has been discovered that many of his sources was fabricated" to enhance his family towards nobility. the best way to really ssure if omeone descends from the John Drummond family is to find a relative or ncestor that carries the escorcio or drummond surname, once we know that the nly ay to carry that name is coming from the same family, specially if that ranch comes from areas like santa cruz, gaula or machico. leandro ----Original Message----- rom: Denise1270@aol.com o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 5.33pm ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question John, was looking through Saudades Livro IV this morning and it says Catarina corcia (married to Francisco Afonso das Cortes) was the daughter of Joao ncalves Ferreira, da Serra de Agua and his wife Catarina Afonso. It says ao scends from Belchior Goncalves Escorcio who is one of the sons of Branca onso Drummond and Belchior Goncalves Ferreira. you have access to that book? If so, The chapter they are in starts on ge 125. The info about Catarina Escorcio is on page 127 bottom right orner ragraph. en if you look at Noronha's Nobiliario, he says Belchior Goncalves corcio married Ana Ferreira 9 Jan 1563 in the Se of Funchal. It shows heir n ao aka da Serra da Agua, relocate to Sao Miguel with his wife Catarina onso, but only shows two children, Afonso Goncalves Ferreira and Pedro ncalves rreira...No mention of Catarina. y thoughts? enise D'Antona a message dated 7/8/2007 9:41:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, oias@rogers.com writes: hanks, but I cannot find anything attached. R --- Original Message ----- om: "Dan Paiva" <dan_paiva@hotmail.com> : <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> nt: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:42 PM bject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question Hi John, I don't how much value this is, but attached is a Descendancy list of the rummond clan. It was supposedly derived from the Carlos Machado anuscripts y Rev. Joe Viveiros in Dartmouth, MA. Granted it is sketchy and somewhat hort on details, but it may help identify some of the successive enerations. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok, I think I have the line straightened out. I got the information from a ombination of the Portugal List, the Noronha works and Sapo. Here is how t oes, at least for our line: 1) Joao Drummond or Escorcio cc (1) Branca Afonso da Cunha and (2) cc atharina Vaz ) Branca Afonso Drummond (1) cc Belchior Goncalves Ferreira (This line oes ay back, see Sapo) ) Belchior Goncalves Escorcio cc Ana Ferreira ) Catarina Escorcio cc Francsico Afonso das Cortes ) Ana Escorcio cc Diogo Dias Brandao Thankfully, I was able to save all my information from the old hard drive! emember back up your data to independent media! JR ---- Original Message ----- rom: "John Roias" <jroias@rogers.com> o: <Denise1270@aol.com>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> ent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:14 PM ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question orry, I am unable to find my source-notes at this time. My computer rashed nd I am trying to find and save as many files as possible. I think I got the info from Noronha, and the connection from Sao Miguel to adeira, I just can't recall the source, offhand. I should have placed my nfo in the notes of the program. JR ---- Original Message ----- rom: Denise1270@aol.com o: jroias@rogers.com ; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:36 AM ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question i John, As you know, this is my line too. The info I have on Catarina scorcio's arents is incomplete, but I have her father listed as Joao Ferreira ou scorcio born on Madeira with no mother listed...So I am clearly missing omething here. My question to you is; did John Drummond ever use erreira n any record, or is this Joao I have mentioned the "missing link" you ere alking about? Denise D'Antona In a message dated 7/4/2007 8:59:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, roias@rogers.com writes: noticed Paulo's reference to the Azores, and that some people passed hrough Madeira before settling in the Azores. This was true of the olombreiro's for certain, who and there are Moura's in Santa Maria and ao iguel. In any event it occurred to me that I could try asking about my randao - Escocia ancestors from Sao Miguel. Does anyone know if the following is correct:, or of any connections rom Madeira to Sao Miguel regarding the Escorcia line? I think I may be issing a generation, or it is simply wrong. JR Descendants of Francisco Afonso das Cortes eneration No. 1 . FRANCISCO AFONSO DAS1 CORTES He married CATARINA ESCORCIO, aughter f JOAO DRUMMOND OU ESCOSCIO and BRANCA AFONSO. hild of FRANCISCO CORTES and CATARINA ESCORCIO is: 2. i. ANA2 ESCORCIO. Generation No. 2 . ANA2 ESCORCIO She married DIOGO DIAS BRANDAO Child of ANA ESCORCIO and DIOGO BRAND©ÐO is: 3. i. MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO, b. resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. Generation No. 3 . MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO was born in resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. he arried ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO Abt. 1540 in Nordeste- Sao orge, son of JOAO AFONSO and ISABEL BRANDAO. He was resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge igreja), Sao Miguel Notes for ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO: Cavaleiro de Santiago, cited by Frutuoso in book four, chapter 36, tem15, and chapter 14 , item 15 hild of MONICA BRANDAO and ANTONIO AFONSO is: i. BEATRIZ4 BRANDAO, b. residents of Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste; m. ASPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS, Abt. 1575, Nordeste- Sao Jorge; b. residents of omba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste. Notes for GASPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS: Gaspar de Teves Mesa was born in Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste, Sao iguel, A©'ores. He married Beatriz Brandoa. ------------------------------- ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ on't get caught with egg on your face. 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