Hi Leandro, Please post what you have for your Eva descendancy... Pat gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line ontinues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves erreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children o be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and ve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins oniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de acerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - osting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is our link to common ancestry? ece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of adeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. hich shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they re also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information ourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. - Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- oracio ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda. Gomes son of Mem Ferreira and Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares d’a Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem d’El Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas d’esta Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae n’a Capella Maior d’a Igreja de São Francisco d’esta Cidade, como d’o lettreiro d’a mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca d’Atouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór d’ El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares d’a Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, d’a Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha d’a Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares d’a Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem d’El Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas d’esta Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae n’a Capella Maior d’a Igreja de São Francisco d’esta Cidade, como d’o lettreiro d’a mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca d’Atouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór d’El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares d’a Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, d’a Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha d’a Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress.

Hey Luis, Yes of course, I realize there are mistakes in books. Just because they are published does not mean they are accurate! I too have found errors by finding the original documents to prove the books wrong. However. when you get back to the "before church records existed" time, you gotta read books...and then hope to find 2 or 3 of them that say the same thing. and hopefully not just because the 2nd book writer believed the first, LOL! I guess what I was trying to ask Paulo below, in a nice way, was if he knew or read something different in this particular case. I'm sorry I missed his last surge of visits on this site...it's always exciting to have him around for the little while he attends! BTW, I think I remember your telling me that I was the first person you linked ancestry with from the list, when we made our connection a year or so ago. Is that still the case? If so, I absolutely find that amazing, when you are the reason this list exists! And as you know, you are also the ONLY reason I was able to begin my Madeiran research, you were a wonderfully generous teacher and I thank you for your patience with my many neophyte questions!! And yes, you are still teaching-I often do not use the detailed source info you mention below-the name of the book and the family title it talks about are about all the info I use for sourcing, rarely if ever page #'s etc. Thank you for administrating this list! Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:27 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, Most of the genealogy books that are available have a lot of correct stuff but there is wrong stuff too. I found a big mistake in a record by Luis Clode. I suggest using them as a guide to help you find the right record. If you have reached a point that you can no longer find records (birth, marriage, etc) try finding two or three books that list the exact same information on your ancestors before using it as a source. Don't forget to note the titles, authors, and page numbers in your notes. Luis Beal Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose wrote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in > Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes > or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of > Funchal. > In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far > from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental evidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught Gonçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. As for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's right hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some nobility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry - I was busy all afternoon and evening- Yes Pat this is our link to common ancestry! Sure took a while - huh? Is there anyone out there I have not linked to yet??? So now it is Pat, Luis, Paulo, Leandro and Denise for sure... all but Paulo and Pat are already in my family tree...not sure I ever asked Paulo for this descendancy, but we have linked on several occasions. Pat , I would love to get your descendancy from this line to add you also. I've been away so long, I'm not sure who else I've forgotten...please tell me if I've forgotten you. I don't know why this surprises me as Ed & I have ancestry leading back to all 3 of the original settlers in Madeira...so with that piece of knowledge, would anybody else like to join my tree? Thanks so much everyone! Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:20 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line ontinues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves erreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children o be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and ve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins oniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de acerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - osting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is our link to common ancestry? ece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of adeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. hich shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they re also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information ourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. - Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- oracio ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line ontinues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves erreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children o be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and ve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins oniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de acerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - osting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is our link to common ancestry? ece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of adeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. hich shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they re also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information ourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. - Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- oracio ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose wrote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in > Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes > or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of > Funchal. > In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far > from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental evidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught Gonçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. As for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's right hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some nobility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cece..... Is CardosO and not Cardosa. Isabel de Gois (daughter of Lancarote Teixeira and Brites de Gois) married in 1491 with Fernao de Nunes Cardoso. Her name sometimes comes as Isabel (Peter Clode's book) or Helena (Familias da Gaula's book). Also she married?a second time with Mem Ornelas e Vasconcelos (son of Alvaro and Constanca). The son that i have from this second wedding is Ayres Ornelas e Vasconcelos that married Maria Teive. Antonio Teixeira Cardoso is my 13th great-grandfather. Hope that helps you in some way Leandro? -----Original Message----- From: Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 6:03 am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Isabel de Gois Paulo/Leandro, OK-been a while and I'm going back to old e-mails from the list to see what I may have missed and found this one...and want to make sure I understand. So Isabel de Gois and Fernao Nunes Cardoso - the parents of Antonio Teixeira Cardosa- also had a daughter named Helena ? (what was her last name) who married Mem de Ornelas e Vasconcelos, who is the son of Alvaro de Ornelas Saavadra and Dona Constanca de Mendonca Vasoncelos ???- Alvaro & Constanca are one of my directs. Thanks, Cece PS-BTW - is it Cardosa or Cardoso - the marriage database is almost exclusively Cardoso -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:01 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Isabel de Gois In a message dated 01/07/2007 18:23:36 GMT Daylight Time, darwin@spamcop.net writes: I have one question for Leandro- I show the mother of Antonio Teixeira > Cardosa as Isabel de Gois (not Ilena,nor do I have a daughter Ilena)-not > sure if I got it from HHN or Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, Portugal, It's probably Isabel. There seems to have been a daughter Helena indeed, who maried Mem de Ornelas e Vasconcelos. Hi Paulo.... You are absolutely right about the names. Is Isabel and she has a daughter Helena. YES!! the confusion is between sources coming from Peter Clode and the author of the book Familias da Gaula. Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Cece, Most of the genealogy books that are available have a lot of correct stuff but there is wrong stuff too. I found a big mistake in a record by Luis Clode. I suggest using them as a guide to help you find the right record. If you have reached a point that you can no longer find records (birth, marriage, etc) try finding two or three books that list the exact same information on your ancestors before using it as a source. Don't forget to note the titles, authors, and page numbers in your notes. Luis Beal Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose wrote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in > Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes > or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of > Funchal. > In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far > from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental evidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught Gonçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. As for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's right hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some nobility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.

Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose <jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca> wrote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in > Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes > or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of > Funchal. > In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far > from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental evidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught Gonçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. As for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's right hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some nobility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paulo/Leandro, OK-been a while and I'm going back to old e-mails from the list to see what I may have missed and found this one...and want to make sure I understand. So Isabel de Gois and Fernao Nunes Cardoso - the parents of Antonio Teixeira Cardosa- also had a daughter named Helena ? (what was her last name) who married Mem de Ornelas e Vasconcelos, who is the son of Alvaro de Ornelas Saavadra and Dona Constanca de Mendonca Vasoncelos ???- Alvaro & Constanca are one of my directs. Thanks, Cece PS-BTW - is it Cardosa or Cardoso - the marriage database is almost exclusively Cardoso -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:01 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Isabel de Gois In a message dated 01/07/2007 18:23:36 GMT Daylight Time, darwin@spamcop.net writes: I have one question for Leandro- I show the mother of Antonio Teixeira > Cardosa as Isabel de Gois (not Ilena,nor do I have a daughter Ilena)-not > sure if I got it from HHN or Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, Portugal, It's probably Isabel. There seems to have been a daughter Helena indeed, who maried Mem de Ornelas e Vasconcelos. Hi Paulo.... You are absolutely right about the names. Is Isabel and she has a daughter Helena. YES!! the confusion is between sources coming from Peter Clode and the author of the book Familias da Gaula. Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paula, I am from Guyana and am researching my ancestry in Madeira. I would like to point you in the direction of a web site which has information on how you may be able to get documents from Guyana. Margaret was correct about one of the main Catholic churches being destroyed by fire a few years ago. However there are certain civil records available from the archives which sadly is in quite poor shape. There is an address on the site which you can write to but I'm told the best way to ensure you are looked after is to visit the capital Georgetown in person with a bit of cash. I personally have not had any luck there. Here is the web site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyggbs/Sources.htm Here is a message board which may be of some help. http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.southam.guyana.general/mb.ashx Hope I have been some help, good luck. Philip Rodrigues philrod51@yahoo.ca ----- Original Message ---- From: Paula Fernandes <paulamffernandes@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:30:02 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fernandes My paternal side to my lineage is so vague, more so than my maternal Pestana side. I just have names, no dates. Here goes............. My paternal grandfater was George Fernandes b. Sept 17 1874 Georgetown, British Guiana, S. A. married Mary Matilda Cardos b. Sept 7 1876 Georgetown, British Guiana. From here everything is so vague, I am told that my gg grandparents hail from Maderia, parish unknown. >>From my data source and conversations with elders I know that Georges parents were George Fernandes and Julia Rodrigues. While Julias parents were Manuel Rodrigues and Phippa de Jesus. And my gg grandfather was Joaquim Fernandes married Anna de Jesus. Where do I go from here? Any connections? Tks Paula ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have some Reinold(s) families in my line, I believe they were also of English descent. On 8/10/07, Fernandes, Jose <jose.fernandes@yrdsb.edu.on.ca> wrote: > Quite correct about the occupation. However, British history in the island goes back already to within 50 years of the colonization. The community grew over time. There are "English" Madeiran families who can trace their history in Madeira over 300 years. During and after the first occupation, British subjects gained certain privileges in Madeira. For example they had their civil courts and registry offices which were independent of the "Portuguese" administration. Many of these privileges lasted until the WWII. Many intermarried, others left after the war. Some have remained "English" such as the Blandys. > > On Demerara, you probably know but today it is part of Guyana. There was a large migration of Madeirans to this territory in the mid and late 1800's. Some members of this list are descendants of this migration and could more on this. > > José Fernandes > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Lake > Sent: August 10, 2007 8:32 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Woman from Madeira in England in 1830's. Requestfor help. > > I believe the British Army was occupying Madeira around that time. > Someone on this list will correct me if I am wrong... > JL > > On 8/9/07, Timothy E. Weakley <weakleyfamily@gmail.com> wrote: > > Greetings all. This is a new area for me and I come to the lists woefully > > uninformed. Here is the rundown: > > > > In my family tree I have a family named Woodward with the head of family > > being John Woodward. He and his wife Elizabeth have a daughter named Emma in > > about 1831, and other children after that, all in Somerset in England. Now > > Elizabeth the wife is listed in the 1841 Census of England as being born > > "Out of County". In the censuses after that she is listed as being born in > > "Madeira", "Madeira Funchal British Subject", and "Demarara". She was born > > about 1807 according to the census data. > > > > Having said this...I have no idea at this point of her surname. Any > > brilliant insights as to how an English Ag Lab ended up married to a woman > > born in Funchal? Or perhaps is anyone missing an Elizabeth born in 1807? > > > > I love genealogy...really I do...;) > > -- > > Tim > > ======================= > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Quite correct about the occupation. However, British history in the island goes back already to within 50 years of the colonization. The community grew over time. There are "English" Madeiran families who can trace their history in Madeira over 300 years. During and after the first occupation, British subjects gained certain privileges in Madeira. For example they had their civil courts and registry offices which were independent of the "Portuguese" administration. Many of these privileges lasted until the WWII. Many intermarried, others left after the war. Some have remained "English" such as the Blandys. On Demerara, you probably know but today it is part of Guyana. There was a large migration of Madeirans to this territory in the mid and late 1800's. Some members of this list are descendants of this migration and could more on this. José Fernandes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Lake Sent: August 10, 2007 8:32 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Woman from Madeira in England in 1830's. Requestfor help. I believe the British Army was occupying Madeira around that time. Someone on this list will correct me if I am wrong... JL On 8/9/07, Timothy E. Weakley <weakleyfamily@gmail.com> wrote: > Greetings all. This is a new area for me and I come to the lists woefully > uninformed. Here is the rundown: > > In my family tree I have a family named Woodward with the head of family > being John Woodward. He and his wife Elizabeth have a daughter named Emma in > about 1831, and other children after that, all in Somerset in England. Now > Elizabeth the wife is listed in the 1841 Census of England as being born > "Out of County". In the censuses after that she is listed as being born in > "Madeira", "Madeira Funchal British Subject", and "Demarara". She was born > about 1807 according to the census data. > > Having said this...I have no idea at this point of her surname. Any > brilliant insights as to how an English Ag Lab ended up married to a woman > born in Funchal? Or perhaps is anyone missing an Elizabeth born in 1807? > > I love genealogy...really I do...;) > -- > Tim > ======================= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe the British Army was occupying Madeira around that time. Someone on this list will correct me if I am wrong... JL On 8/9/07, Timothy E. Weakley <weakleyfamily@gmail.com> wrote: > Greetings all. This is a new area for me and I come to the lists woefully > uninformed. Here is the rundown: > > In my family tree I have a family named Woodward with the head of family > being John Woodward. He and his wife Elizabeth have a daughter named Emma in > about 1831, and other children after that, all in Somerset in England. Now > Elizabeth the wife is listed in the 1841 Census of England as being born > "Out of County". In the censuses after that she is listed as being born in > "Madeira", "Madeira Funchal British Subject", and "Demarara". She was born > about 1807 according to the census data. > > Having said this...I have no idea at this point of her surname. Any > brilliant insights as to how an English Ag Lab ended up married to a woman > born in Funchal? Or perhaps is anyone missing an Elizabeth born in 1807? > > I love genealogy...really I do...;) > -- > Tim > ======================= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings all. This is a new area for me and I come to the lists woefully uninformed. Here is the rundown: In my family tree I have a family named Woodward with the head of family being John Woodward. He and his wife Elizabeth have a daughter named Emma in about 1831, and other children after that, all in Somerset in England. Now Elizabeth the wife is listed in the 1841 Census of England as being born "Out of County". In the censuses after that she is listed as being born in "Madeira", "Madeira Funchal British Subject", and "Demarara". She was born about 1807 according to the census data. Having said this...I have no idea at this point of her surname. Any brilliant insights as to how an English Ag Lab ended up married to a woman born in Funchal? Or perhaps is anyone missing an Elizabeth born in 1807? I love genealogy...really I do...;) -- Tim =======================

Hello everyone: I came across some old addresses in papers of my deceased uncle. These addresses are from the 1930s and most are from Madeira. I believe that I am related to this one man: Dr. Pedro Gomes Pestana, as other documents and labeled pictures refer to his son Damiao Pestana as a cousin. I have not made the exact connection yet, though I suspect the doctor's wife is my blood relative. Is there anyone out there who knows anything about Dr. Pedro Gomes Pestana. His business card address was Rua Augusto Jose Vieira in Funchal. Also, there is reference to a man named Vasco Silva, Tenente Colonel, Funchal. I do not yet know if there is any connection to him other than him being someone my uncle saw on this last trip to Madeira. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you Mary da Silva Frost

Paula: Many people left Madeira fro Guiana to work on the plantations. Have you tried the passports records from Madeira? Possibly the marriage records also? If you have the birth records of your grandparents you are extremely fortunate. The records were all destroyed many years ago and about two years ago the church in Georgetown burned to the ground and destroyed every building and what was left of the very few records that were available. I was able to find the passport of our paternal grandmother when she migrated in 1878 because she went with the family that employed her as a maid. If you have your grandfathers birth record it should list his parents. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Fernandes" <paulamffernandes@gmail.com> To: <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:30 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fernandes > My paternal side to my lineage is so vague, more so than my maternal > Pestana side. > > I just have names, no dates. Here goes............. > > My paternal grandfater was George Fernandes b. Sept 17 1874 > Georgetown, British Guiana, S. A. married Mary Matilda Cardos b. Sept > 7 1876 Georgetown, British Guiana. From here everything is so vague, > I am told that my gg grandparents hail from Maderia, parish unknown. > >From my data source and conversations with elders I know that Georges > parents were George Fernandes and Julia Rodrigues. While Julias > parents were Manuel Rodrigues and Phippa de Jesus. And my gg > grandfather was Joaquim Fernandes married Anna de Jesus. > > Where do I go from here? Any connections? > > Tks > > Paula > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My paternal side to my lineage is so vague, more so than my maternal Pestana side. I just have names, no dates. Here goes............. My paternal grandfater was George Fernandes b. Sept 17 1874 Georgetown, British Guiana, S. A. married Mary Matilda Cardos b. Sept 7 1876 Georgetown, British Guiana. From here everything is so vague, I am told that my gg grandparents hail from Maderia, parish unknown. >From my data source and conversations with elders I know that Georges parents were George Fernandes and Julia Rodrigues. While Julias parents were Manuel Rodrigues and Phippa de Jesus. And my gg grandfather was Joaquim Fernandes married Anna de Jesus. Where do I go from here? Any connections? Tks Paula

Hi Linda: Was thinking!!! You seem to have easy access to these records...Could you not print them and I will cover all costs to you. My LDS is about an 2 hrs from where I live in Toronto, Canada.....I would be eternally grateful.......... Just a thought!!!!! Paula On 7/24/07, MINERROOTS@aol.com <MINERROOTS@aol.com> wrote: > Paula, > > These records are found on the microfilms that can be ordered through the > L.D.S church via your local family history center. > > I tried to find the marriage of Venceslau and will look again when I go back > to the library this thursday. I know that his marriage is not listed on ARM, > but it could be one of those marriages that accidentally was recorded on/in > the wrong book (christening) which I, too, have seen happen several times while > viewing records. Venceslau had a brother Bernardino chr. 30 Mar 1830, B. 20 > Mar 1830. > > I can also look for the birth of his children (if they were born in Arco Da > Calheta). But they certainly could of been born somewhere else on the island. > > Wish me luck > > Linda Teixeira Crandall > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >