Cece, I have a Vasco Martins Moniz married to Brites Pereira... This Vasco's parents are Martim Fagundes and Branca Lourenco. Martim and Branca are my 20th ggparents. Vasco and Brites Pereira had a son also named Vasco Martins Moniz (o Moco) who was married to a Aldonca Cabral. (This Vasco is my 18th Great Grand Uncle. His brother Henrique Moniz (alcaide-Mor) married to Ines Barreto de Menezes are my 18th ggparents). Henrique Moniz was also married to a Isabel da Costa. The third Vasco Martins Moniz that I have in file, son of Henrique Moniz and Ines Barreto de Memezes, was married to a Brites Vaz Ferreira. Pat Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: I am still trying to tie up some loose ends with these ancestors and could use some help I am looking for several things - 1. a list of children as complete as possible. 2. any dates surrounding this couple (and sources for dates if anyone has any). 3. Vasco's parents are Henrique Moniz & Dona Ines de Meneses Barreto (Monizes titulo). Anyone go back further than that? 4. How many other times was Vasco married and to whom? I show 3 right now (Registao genealógico de famílias que passaram à Madeira, Portugal-Luis Peter Clode-assuming I have them sourced correctly!!!) but the HHN Monizes Titulo only shows 2. And finally-any children with these other wives? Thanks for your help! Cece ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cece, I have a Vasco Martins Moniz married to a Brites Vaz FERRREIRA (not Pereira)... is that the couple you're referring to? Pat Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: I am still trying to tie up some loose ends with these ancestors and could use some help I am looking for several things - 1. a list of children as complete as possible. 2. any dates surrounding this couple (and sources for dates if anyone has any). 3. Vasco's parents are Henrique Moniz & Dona Ines de Meneses Barreto (Monizes titulo). Anyone go back further than that? 4. How many other times was Vasco married and to whom? I show 3 right now (Registao genealógico de famílias que passaram à Madeira, Portugal-Luis Peter Clode-assuming I have them sourced correctly!!!) but the HHN Monizes Titulo only shows 2. And finally-any children with these other wives? Thanks for your help! Cece ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Leandro... Pat Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: hi pat Maria dos Prazeres married in 23 sep 1678 in Estreito da Calheta with Manuel Rodrigues (son of Pedro Rodrigues Jardim and Maria Sardinha) from Faja da Ovelha. The bittencourt book was written by jorge de abreu arrimar Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi pat Maria dos Prazeres married in 23 sep 1678 in Estreito da Calheta with Manuel Rodrigues (son of Pedro Rodrigues Jardim and Maria Sardinha) from Faja da Ovelha. The bittencourt book was written by jorge de abreu arrimar Leandro

Hi Leandro, Thank you! Who wrote the Bettencourt book, and where did you find it? Who was Maria dos Prazeres spouse? I only have Antonio Nunes. Pat Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... I got that info thru nobiliario of Madeira and also a book about the bettencourt family. we are more than 100 times related being the closest as 9th cousins thru Pedro Delgado and Maria Rodrigues. I descend thur their daugther maria dos Prazeres and you thru their son Antonio Nunes. And yes.....we started all this because the borrageiro connection :) Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank You! I'll update my file... I'll be sending you some info on the Borrageiro connection on separate e-mail. We need to find a common ancestor closer than 7 generations out... ;-)) to be continued: Pat gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... thats what i have from Eva: Beatriz Vaz Ferreira married Vasco Martins Moniz, they had: Garcia Moniz married Catarina Teixeira (grandaugther of Tristao Vaz Teixeira), they had: Helena Moniz de Meneses married abt 1540 Pedro Barbosa, they had: Judge Cristovao Moniz Barreto married Maria Correa (from Machico), they had: Antonio Moniz Barreto born 1579 married in 1598 joana Cabral, they had: capitain Cristovao Moniz da Camara married second time Antonia Goncalves in 1638, they had: Crispina de Meneses born in 1658 married in 1684 Vasco Moniz de Meneses, they had: Vital Escorcio Drummond born in 1686 married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade: they had 2 direct lines of mine: A) Francisco Telo de Figueiro born in 1714 that married in 1737 Ana Rosa B) Maria Telo de Meneses married in 1728 Capitain Jose Franca de vasconcelos Francisco and Ana had: Manuel Telo de Meneses born in 1747 married in 1770 Maria de Ponte Pereira, they had: Manuel Telo de Meneses born in 1772 married in 1796 Ana Ursula de Sao Jose, they had: Francisco telo de Meneses born in 1796 married in 1820 with Ana Maria de Jesus, they had: Manuel Telo Junior born in 1826 married in 1849 Francisca Perpetua da Encarnacao, they had: Manuel Teles de Castro born in 1856 married in 1883 Maria Silvestre da Conceicao, they had Manuel teles Junior born in n1885 immigrated to Brazil with his family in 1886. Married there with the portuguese Maria da Conceicao Magalhaes.... hope that helps you Pat.... Take care Leandro

Hi, My lines are Rodrigues Ferreira of Acro da Calheta, Pestana of Camara da Lobos, and de Abreu of Funchal. Wondering if any of your ancestors went to Demerara, South America as I am trying to bridge the gap. Paula On 8/28/07, Gregobhte1@aol.com <Gregobhte1@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Pat.... > > I got that info thru nobiliario of Madeira and also a book about the > bettencourt family. > > we are more than 100 times related being the closest as 9th cousins thru > Pedro Delgado and Maria Rodrigues. I descend thur their daugther maria dos > Prazeres and you thru their son Antonio Nunes. > > And yes.....we started all this because the borrageiro connection :) > > Leandro > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pat.... I got that info thru nobiliario of Madeira and also a book about the bettencourt family. we are more than 100 times related being the closest as 9th cousins thru Pedro Delgado and Maria Rodrigues. I descend thur their daugther maria dos Prazeres and you thru their son Antonio Nunes. And yes.....we started all this because the borrageiro connection :) Leandro

Hi Pat.... thats what i have from Eva: Beatriz Vaz Ferreira married Vasco Martins Moniz, they had: Garcia Moniz married Catarina Teixeira (grandaugther of Tristao Vaz Teixeira), they had: Helena Moniz de Meneses married abt 1540 Pedro Barbosa, they had: Judge Cristovao Moniz Barreto married Maria Correa (from Machico), they had: Antonio Moniz Barreto born 1579 married in 1598 joana Cabral, they had: capitain Cristovao Moniz da Camara married second time Antonia Goncalves in 1638, they had: Crispina de Meneses born in 1658 married in 1684 Vasco Moniz de Meneses, they had: Vital Escorcio Drummond born in 1686 married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade: they had 2 direct lines of mine: A) Francisco Telo de Figueiro born in 1714 that married in 1737 Ana Rosa B) Maria Telo de Meneses married in 1728 Capitain Jose Franca de vasconcelos Francisco and Ana had: Manuel Telo de Meneses born in 1747 married in 1770 Maria de Ponte Pereira, they had: Manuel Telo de Meneses born in 1772 married in 1796 Ana Ursula de Sao Jose, they had: Francisco telo de Meneses born in 1796 married in 1820 with Ana Maria de Jesus, they had: Manuel Telo Junior born in 1826 married in 1849 Francisca Perpetua da Encarnacao, they had: Manuel Teles de Castro born in 1856 married in 1883 Maria Silvestre da Conceicao, they had Manuel teles Junior born in n1885 immigrated to Brazil with his family in 1886. Married there with the portuguese Maria da Conceicao Magalhaes.... hope that helps you Pat.... Take care Leandro  -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 1.00am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Hi Leandro, Please post what you have for your Eva descendancy... Pat gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: i Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is retty much right Leandro ----Original Message----- rom: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line ntinues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves rreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and e. Adao m. Brites Pires. va m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins niz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de cerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - sting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: elchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond aspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond uiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) at Silva Corbera ww.geocities.com/papagaia2 .s. Cece is our link to common ancestry? ece Camara wrote: aulo, o then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of deira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. ich shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they e also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information urced from. ece ----Original Message----- om: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com ailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim nt: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM : prt-madeira@rootsweb.com bject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose ote: There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in adeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes r Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of unchal. n the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far rom this place. s far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental idence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught nçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ght hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some bility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. - allida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- racio ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to T-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the otes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message _______________________________________________________________________ mail and AIM finally together. 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Hi Leandro, Thank you.... I had it up to Cristovao Moniz Barreto (Juiz) married to Maria Correia. Cristovao is my 2nd cousin 16 time removed. What was your source referenced for this information? Leandro refresh my memory, were we working on a Borrageiro connection the first part of this year? Pat gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... thats what i have from Eva: Beatriz Vaz Ferreira married Vasco Martins Moniz, they had: Garcia Moniz married Catarina Teixeira (grandaugther of Tristao Vaz Teixeira), they had: Helena Moniz de Meneses married abt 1540 Pedro Barbosa, they had: Judge Cristovao Moniz Barreto married Maria Correa (from Machico), they had: Antonio Moniz Barreto born 1579 married in 1598 joana Cabral, they had: capitain Cristovao Moniz da Camara married second time Antonia Goncalves in 1638, they had: Crispina de Meneses born in 1658 married in 1684 Vasco Moniz de Meneses, they had: Vital Escorcio Drummond born in 1686 married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade: they had 2 direct lines of mine: A) Francisco Telo de Figueiro born in 1714 that married in 1737 Ana Rosa B) Maria Telo de Meneses married in 1728 Capitain Jose Franca de vasconcelos Francisco and Ana had: Manuel Telo de Meneses born in 1747 married in 1770 Maria de Ponte Pereira, they had: Manuel Telo de Meneses born in 1772 married in 1796 Ana Ursula de Sao Jose, they had: Francisco telo de Meneses born in 1796 married in 1820 with Ana Maria de Jesus, they had: Manuel Telo Junior born in 1826 married in 1849 Francisca Perpetua da Encarnacao, they had: Manuel Teles de Castro born in 1856 married in 1883 Maria Silvestre da Conceicao, they had Manuel teles Junior born in n1885 immigrated to Brazil with his family in 1886. Married there with the portuguese Maria da Conceicao Magalhaes.... hope that helps you Pat.... Take care Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 1.00am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Hi Leandro, Please post what you have for your Eva descendancy... Pat gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: i Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is retty much right Leandro ----Original Message----- rom: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line ntinues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves rreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and e. Adao m. Brites Pires. va m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins niz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de cerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - sting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: elchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond aspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond uiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) at Silva Corbera ww.geocities.com/papagaia2 .s. Cece is our link to common ancestry? ece Camara wrote: aulo, o then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of deira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. ich shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they e also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information urced from. ece ----Original Message----- om: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com ailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim nt: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM : prt-madeira@rootsweb.com bject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose ote: There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in adeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes r Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of unchal. n the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far rom this place. s far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental idence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught nçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ght hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some bility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. - allida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- racio ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to T-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the otes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message _______________________________________________________________________ mail and AIM finally together. 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Well, I think I can explain it-in Outlook I still had to switch to HTML in order to use any of those "add-ons" So obviously Rootsweb does not allow anything in HTML format...it must change it to plain text before allowing it in. I'll have to look around Outlook and figure out how to use those features in plain text - not sure if it's possible or not. Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:08 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) How interesting bold, underline, and italics have worked before but did not work on your e-mail. Maybe we have to be even simpler these days meaning capital or small letters. Simplifying can be a good thing, maybe !?! Luis Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Thanks Luis-Didn't know about the color-but I did notce when the message came in my wasn't colored, so thanks for the other options to work with next time. I've copied and pasted the the text that was colored below using Luis suggestions of bold and underline and Italic to see how they work- The regular font was Pat's original info.. Cece Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:06 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Just a couple of things, the books do not list every child a couple had. I noticed that these books list mainly people who were well to do and whose descendancy remained well to do. As for colored fonts remember rootsweb is extremly simple and only allows simple things, meaning black font, underline, italics, and bold. No attachments or graphics allowed either. Luis Cece Camara wrote: OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! 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How interesting bold, underline, and italics have worked before but did not work on your e-mail. Maybe we have to be even simpler these days meaning capital or small letters. Simplifying can be a good thing, maybe !?! Luis Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Thanks Luis-Didn't know about the color-but I did notce when the message came in my wasn't colored, so thanks for the other options to work with next time. I've copied and pasted the the text that was colored below using Luis suggestions of bold and underline and Italic to see how they work- The regular font was Pat's original info.. Cece Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:06 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Just a couple of things, the books do not list every child a couple had. I noticed that these books list mainly people who were well to do and whose descendancy remained well to do. As for colored fonts remember rootsweb is extremly simple and only allows simple things, meaning black font, underline, italics, and bold. No attachments or graphics allowed either. Luis Cece Camara wrote: OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

Oh my gosh - don't tell me I missourced something-told you I need to go dig it out and check what it said! I was so afraid maybe something like that had happened...my face is so red right now! I'm sure I have a copy of that Titulo here-so, you do not have to copy it. Thank you for the offer though. You should already have received the info originally sent in red-with different highlight per Luis suggestion. And finally to answer your question: My line continues from Eva & Vasco through their daughter Brites...like yours. to her son Garcia MONIZ who married Lancerote Teixeira's daughter, Dona Catherina TEIXEIRA to their daughter Dona Helena MONIZ DE MENESES who married Pedro BARBOSA to their son Cristavao MONIZ BARRETO who married Dona Maria CORREIA to their son Antonio MONIZ DE MENESES who married Dona Joana CABRAL to their daughter Dona Catherina de MENESES who married Luis PEREIRA DA SILVA DE VASCONCELOS to their daughter Dona Isabel TELLO DE MENESES who married Capitao Belchior de MOURA E MENDONCA to their daughter Juliana de MOURA who married Leonardo de ORNELAS E VASCONECELLOS to their son Manuel de ORNELAS E VASCONCELOS who married Beatriz de FREITAS E ASCENSAO to their son Joao de ORNELAS E VASCONCELOS who married Maria MARQUES DE JESUS to their daughter Francisca MARIA who married Luis MARQUES to their daughter Angela MARIA who married Antonio de GOUVEIA to their daughter Maria de GOUVEIA who married Egydio da CAMARA (an orphan and my GG Grandfather) to their son Manuel Egydio CAMARA who married Christina de JESUS (who emigrated to American with their 5 sons) Cousin Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 11:50 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) To: cece@soccer4all.com, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Hi Cece, What prompted the discussion about Noronha's work not being trusted, filled with errors? I checked the titulo Moniz Barbosa d'o Canical but didn't find any reference to a Isabel Pereira, nor Goncalo Aires Ferreira. If you would like, I can copy the entire titulo and send it to you, just let me know. Nothing appeared high-lited in red, so I couldn't double check it. If your line is from Eva, which child does it continue with? I have two children listed for her marriage to Vasco Fernandes- (1) Brites Vaz Ferreira and a (2) Fernao Vaz... My line continues from Brites. Fernao Vaz married Branca Teixeira, daughter of Micer Joao Usadamar and Tristoa Teixeira. Branca and Fernao's daughter Perina Brites Uzadamare married to Joao Alves Escudeiro...I can continue this line if you wish... The only thing I can think of is that instead of posting Isabel Pereira as being the mother of Goncalo you posted it as his wife...not sure how the Moniz Barbosa d'o Canical source came into play. Here's what I found under the titulos for Moniz and Ferreira - From Noronha Titulo: Moniz "...Eva Gomes Ferreira, filha de Gonçalo Ay- / res, em título de Ferreiras, § 1.º, N.º 1.º // " Titulo: FERREIRA "N.º 1 – Gonçalo Ayres Ferreira, filho de (1) Gomes / Ferreira, e de Izabel Pereira de Lacerda, em titulo de Ferreiras d’o Morgado d’os Caval-leiros, em / Portugal.. Veio casado de Portugal, que foi o primeiro homem / que n’esta nova Ilha teve filhos; em memoria d’o que lhes chamou Adao e Eva. De sua mulher nao temos noticia quem fosse.".. Titulo: MONIZES BARBOSAS, d’o Caniçal. / If you wish I can copy and paste this titulo and send it to you... just let know... Pat Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes Martins Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA - Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. 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Thanks Luis-Didn't know about the color-but I did notce when the message came in my wasn't colored, so thanks for the other options to work with next time. I've copied and pasted the the text that was colored below using Luis suggestions of bold and underline and Italic to see how they work- The regular font was Pat's original info.. Cece Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:06 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Just a couple of things, the books do not list every child a couple had. I noticed that these books list mainly people who were well to do and whose descendancy remained well to do. As for colored fonts remember rootsweb is extremly simple and only allows simple things, meaning black font, underline, italics, and bold. No attachments or graphics allowed either. Luis Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. 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Thank you Cece for your kind words, you are very sweet. You, Leandro, and Pat are all related to me so far, and it seems you are also related to each other. :) I bet there are more of us that connect but in time we shall find out. Luis Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Hey Luis, Yes of course, I realize there are mistakes in books. Just because they are published does not mean they are accurate! I too have found errors by finding the original documents to prove the books wrong. However. when you get back to the "before church records existed" time, you gotta read books...and then hope to find 2 or 3 of them that say the same thing. and hopefully not just because the 2nd book writer believed the first, LOL! I guess what I was trying to ask Paulo below, in a nice way, was if he knew or read something different in this particular case. I'm sorry I missed his last surge of visits on this site...it's always exciting to have him around for the little while he attends! BTW, I think I remember your telling me that I was the first person you linked ancestry with from the list, when we made our connection a year or so ago. Is that still the case? If so, I absolutely find that amazing, when you are the reason this list exists! And as you know, you are also the ONLY reason I was able to begin my Madeiran research, you were a wonderfully generous teacher and I thank you for your patience with my many neophyte questions!! And yes, you are still teaching-I often do not use the detailed source info you mention below-the name of the book and the family title it talks about are about all the info I use for sourcing, rarely if ever page #'s etc. Thank you for administrating this list! Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:27 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, Most of the genealogy books that are available have a lot of correct stuff but there is wrong stuff too. I found a big mistake in a record by Luis Clode. I suggest using them as a guide to help you find the right record. If you have reached a point that you can no longer find records (birth, marriage, etc) try finding two or three books that list the exact same information on your ancestors before using it as a source. Don't forget to note the titles, authors, and page numbers in your notes. Luis Beal Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose wrote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in > Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes > or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of > Funchal. > In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far > from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental evidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught Gonçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. As for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's right hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some nobility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? 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Just a couple of things, the books do not list every child a couple had. I noticed that these books list mainly people who were well to do and whose descendancy remained well to do. As for colored fonts remember rootsweb is extremly simple and only allows simple things, meaning black font, underline, italics, and bold. No attachments or graphics allowed either. Luis Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes Martins Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. 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Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Patricia Corbera <papagaia2@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) To: cece@soccer4all.com, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Hi Cece, What prompted the discussion about Noronha's work not being trusted, filled with errors? I checked the titulo Moniz Barbosa d'o Canical but didn't find any reference to a Isabel Pereira, nor Goncalo Aires Ferreira. If you would like, I can copy the entire titulo and send it to you, just let me know. Nothing appeared high-lited in red, so I couldn't double check it. If your line is from Eva, which child does it continue with? I have two children listed for her marriage to Vasco Fernandes- (1) Brites Vaz Ferreira and a (2) Fernao Vaz... My line continues from Brites. Fernao Vaz married Branca Teixeira, daughter of Micer Joao Usadamar and Tristoa Teixeira. Branca and Fernao's daughter Perina Brites Uzadamare married to Joao Alves Escudeiro...I can continue this line if you wish... The only thing I can think of is that instead of posting Isabel Pereira as being the mother of Goncalo you posted it as his wife...not sure how the Moniz Barbosa d'o Canical source came into play. Here's what I found under the titulos for Moniz and Ferreira - From Noronha Titulo: Moniz "...Eva Gomes Ferreira, filha de Gonçalo Ay- / res, em título de Ferreiras, § 1.º, N.º 1.º // " Titulo: FERREIRA "N.º 1 – Gonçalo Ayres Ferreira, filho de (1) Gomes / Ferreira, e de Izabel Pereira de Lacerda, em titulo de Ferreiras d’o Morgado d’os Caval-leiros, em / Portugal.. Veio casado de Portugal, que foi o primeiro homem / que n’esta nova Ilha teve filhos; em memoria d’o que lhes chamou Adao e Eva. De sua mulher nao temos noticia quem fosse.".. Titulo: MONIZES BARBOSAS, d’o Caniçal. / If you wish I can copy and paste this titulo and send it to you... just let know... Pat Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes Martins Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA - Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. 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Hi Cece, What prompted the discussion about Noronha's work not being trusted, filled with errors? I checked the titulo Moniz Barbosa d'o Canical but didn't find any reference to a Isabel Pereira, nor Goncalo Aires Ferreira. If you would like, I can copy the entire titulo and send it to you, just let me know. Nothing appeared high-lited in red, so I couldn't double check it. If your line is from Eva, which child does it continue with? I have two children listed for her marriage to Vasco Fernandes- (1) Brites Vaz Ferreira and a (2) Fernao Vaz... My line continues from Brites. Fernao Vaz married Branca Teixeira, daughter of Micer Joao Usadamar and Tristoa Teixeira. Branca and Fernao's daughter Perina Brites Uzadamare married to Joao Alves Escudeiro...I can continue this line if you wish... The only thing I can think of is that instead of posting Isabel Pereira as being the mother of Goncalo you posted it as his wife...not sure how the Moniz Barbosa d'o Canical source came into play. Here's what I found under the titulos for Moniz and Ferreira - From Noronha Titulo: Moniz "...Eva Gomes Ferreira, filha de Gonçalo Ay- / res, em título de Ferreiras, § 1.º, N.º 1.º // " Titulo: FERREIRA "N.º 1 – Gonçalo Ayres Ferreira, filho de (1) Gomes / Ferreira, e de Izabel Pereira de Lacerda, em titulo de Ferreiras d’o Morgado d’os Caval-leiros, em / Portugal.. Veio casado de Portugal, que foi o primeiro homem / que n’esta nova Ilha teve filhos; em memoria d’o que lhes chamou Adao e Eva. De sua mulher nao temos noticia quem fosse.".. Titulo: MONIZES BARBOSAS, d’o Caniçal. / If you wish I can copy and paste this titulo and send it to you... just let know... Pat Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes Martins Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA - Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes Martins Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares d’a Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem d’El Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas d’esta Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae n’a Capella Maior d’a Igreja de São Francisco d’esta Cidade, como d’o lettreiro d’a mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca d’Atouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór d’ El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares d’a Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, d’a Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha d’a Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour