Leandro, You're welcome, Miguel On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:34 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > thanks miguel, > > very useful info > > leandro > > > In a message dated 14/01/2010 20:36:05 Romance Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Leandro and all, > > 1. André Martins, o Velho, (1568, Gaula) m. Marquesa da Mata (dau. of João > Pires da Mata and Maria Gonçalves /The connection to Afonso da Mata, > Escudeiro, is through Isabel de Freitas, João Pires da Mata's mother, dau. > of Afonso da Mata and Isabel de Freitas.) they had: > 2. André Martins m, (1602, Gaula) Catarina de Araújo, dau of Pedro de > Araújo > and Maria de Freitas, they had: > 3. André Martins (1647, Gaula( m. Isabel Vieira, they had. > 4. André Martins m. (1690, Gaula) Simoa da Mata > > > 1. Rodrigo Afonso m. Isabel de...(N) > 2. Pedro Gonçalves (slave) (1625, Gaula) m Maria da Mata, dau. of João > Martins (1576, Gaula) Juliana Rodrigues, he João Martins son. of Bastião > Pires, (g.son of Afonso da Mata), she Juliana dau. of João Rodrigues > (Teixeira) and Beatriz Gonçalves. )), they had > 3. Pedro Gonçalves (1649, Gaula) Maria Jorge, dau, of Francisco Fernandes > and Ana Jorge), they had: > 4. Simoa da Mata m. (1690, Gaula) André Martins. > > So André and Simoa had, as their marriage register does not forget to > mention, "4º grau de consaguinidade." > > > André Martins, o velho, is the trunk of the title "MARTINS DA MATA" (FMPS, > Clode, pg 201). However, Clode gives Marquesa da Mata as dau. of > Bartolomeu > Luiz and Joana de Freitas, Joana as g.dau. of Afonso da Mata, Escudeiro, > and > Isabel de Freitas , > > > According to Clode, the Martins da Mata are linked to other titles as > Rodrigues de Gaula (all the Rodrigues above, proceeding from João > Rodrigues > Teixeira, "O Gordo," are known as "Rodrigues de Gaula" (to distinguish > them > from other Rodrigues), Freitas de Gaula, Cairos Vaz, Perestrelos, and > others. > > In the example above we can confirm Clode, who was very careful in these > matters. > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:32 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Miguel, > > > > Could you send to us the 3 first ancestors of simoa and andre? so i > could > > link them together? > > > > Thank you > > > > Leandro > > > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 4:06:39 A.M. W. Europe Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Hello Mary, > > > > Thanks to your data I was able to trace the ascendants of Maria da Mata > m. > > Pedro Gonçalves (slave), parents of Simoa da Mata m. André Martins > > > > It's a spectacular case of social mobility, indeed, especially for > Pedro > > Gonçalves the slave, because Maria da Mata is the 4th g.daughter of > João > > Rodrigues Teixeira "O Gordo", FCR (nobleman of the Royal House), the > 3d > > g.daughter of Afonso da Mata, Escudeiro (minor nobility), and 2d g. > > daugther > > of Álvaro Gonçalves and Isabel Arrais de Mendonça. (Isabel Arrais from > the > > nobility). > > > > André Martins as I suspected, is a Martins da Mata, son, and g.son of > two > > other André Martins, and also descendant of Álvaro Gonçalves and > Isabel > > Arrais de Mendonça. and also of the old and well known Afonso da Mata - > > > > The names of the testemunhas some morgados, in all these marriages and > > some > > Ornelas, Teles de Meneses (la créme de la crème of Gaula) etc. pointed > to > > something. Now i can see why they fit in the whole picture. > > > > > > As to the second marriage of Simoa, it's not surprising. She was > perhaps a > > beautiful mulatto woman with a good pedigree. > > > > Anyway Pedro Gonçalves to have married Maria da Mata (dau. of João > Martins > > and ( m. 1576) Juliana Rodrigues had to be escravo forro. Because after > > all, > > she was the 4th g.daugther of "The Gordo", This is quite telling about > > madeiran society. It talks of a mobile society in that time, if not > > anywhere, at least in Gaula.. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Mary Frost <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Miguel: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have returned from the local FHC and re-examined the records in > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > The record for Francisco da Mata Caldeira and Isabel de Freitas > 878-270 > > was > > > very faded on the film. I do believe that the parents of Francisco > were > > > Miguel Martins and Isabel Rodrigues. There is a note in the record > after > > > the > > > groom's mother's name that I cannot decipher due to poor quality of > the > > > film. It refers to Miguel Martins and says something about Jose. > Sorry > > but > > > I > > > could barely see it on the page. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have nothing more to add regarding the parentage of Isabel de > Freitas, > > > but > > > it does appear that her father only used one last name and her mother > > was > > > also Isabel de Freitas and that all of them lived in Lugar de Canico. > I > > was > > > able to pick out another name in the document- Miguel Manuel Barreto. > > There > > > was the signature of Joseph Teles de Meneses and also of Joao da Gama > > > Pereira and what appeared to be an X next to the name of a Manuel > > Gameto? > > > There were also two other unclear signatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Record 879-147v mostly unreadable except for margin notes. Felipe da > > Mata, > > > son of Pedro Goncalves and Maria Jorge married Isabel da Mata > daughter > > of > > > Joao Rodrigues and (possibly) Bartoleza or . The document was signed > by > > > Francisco Nunes Leal and Francisco de Ornelas (unclear). > > > > > > > > > > > > Record 879 151 Nov 9, 1690 Andre Martins and Simoa da Mata: son of > > Andre > > > Martins and Isabel Vieira (deceased), daughter of Pedro Goncalves and > > Maria > > > Jorge, all living in the freguesia Nossa Senhora da Luz. Testamentos > > > Francisco de Ornelas de Camara and Joao (unclear) de Vasconcelos, > > Morgado > > > de > > > Sam Joam. Cura Domingos da Mata, signed by Joseph Teles de Meneses. > Very > > > clear and easy to read. > > > > > > > > > > > > 878-168 June 15, 1654 (very dark on film) Francisco da Mata son of > > Miguel > > > Martins and Isabel Rodrigues? of Canico married Isabel da Mata > daughter > > of > > > Miguel Afonso and Francisca da Mata, deceased. Record hard to read > but > > > signed at the bottom by what appears to be Manuel de Couto? The > record > > is > > > also signed along the side vertically in the margin by a Joao > (unclear) > > and > > > Manuel Teixeira (Cardoso?). > > > > > > > > > > > > 878 159 Aug 30, 1649 Pedro Goncalves son of Pedro Goncalves escravo > (no > > > forro) and his wife Maria de Mata (deceased) married Maria Jorge > > daughter > > > of > > > Francisco Fernandes and his wife Ana Jorge?. It was signed by Manuel > > > Teixiera C(unclear) and Mathias (unclear) > > > > > > > > > > > > 877 82v Jan 27, 1624 Maria da Mata (her name first in record) > daughter > > of > > > Joao Martins? (unclear) (deceased) and Juliana Rodrigues of this > > freguesia > > > married Pero Goncalves (unclear) of (looks like) Rodrigo Afonco and > > Isabel > > > de (unclear) of Santa Cruz. Cura Padre Pero Lopes, signed by Jorge > Monis > > de > > > Meneses, Baltazar Rodrigues and Manuel de (Paiva?) > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. The film is still on film here. If there is > anything > > > else > > > you need, let me know and I will try to look again in the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Luis, I stand corrected:) Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel -Global Village book They still sell it in Portugal http://www.wook.pt/ficha/the-first-global-village/a/id/78492/filter/ it is only 18 euros but I don't know how much shipping costs. So it is not out of print :) Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Lou Abreu III <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:11:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel All, I believe this book is out of print that is why it is so expensive, not sure the publisher would be of any help. Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Thank you, Scot. I'll check again. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Scot Austin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:31 am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&co ndition=used Scot [email protected] wrote: Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going to find. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Jill, I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 so this copy was a bargain. Regards, Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Lou, I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at Amazon.com at a very hefty price. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Miguel, Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a couple of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better understand who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... Best Regards, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, I believe this book is out of print that is why it is so expensive, not sure the publisher would be of any help. Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Thank you, Scot. I'll check again. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Scot Austin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:31 am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&co ndition=used Scot [email protected] wrote: Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going to find. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Jill, I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 so this copy was a bargain. Regards, Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Lou, I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at Amazon.com at a very hefty price. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Miguel, Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a couple of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better understand who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... Best Regards, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janette, O.K., thank you! Please let me know what you find out. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:51 am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Yes...I believe the Portuguese and English versions are available. I as actually trying to go directly to the publisher hoping that they ould sell online, but couldn't quite get to their official website. read Portuguese but ever so slowly (with dictionary in hand) so I'm ooking for an English copy. On 15-Jan-10, at 10:47 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Janette, Would the books in Portugal be written in English? I don't read Portuguese except ancestry records. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:42 am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel I've written to a couple of cousins in Portugal for suggestions for ook stores there from which to buy the book - I looked online but ouldn't find any that carried the book there. It may be cheaper to uy directly from them even with postage, etc. I'll keep you updated n any info I receive. Looks like a very interesting read indeed. Janette n 15-Jan-10, at 9:31 AM, Scot Austin wrote: > Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used Scot [email protected] wrote: > Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going > to find. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Jill, > I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was > $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 > so this > copy was a bargain. > > Regards, > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > Lou, > > I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global > Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at > Amazon.com at a > very > hefty price. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Miguel, > Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally > received a copy > of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only > read a > couple > of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have > learned things > about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for > your > recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better > understand > who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... > > Best Regards, > Lou > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Janette, Would the books in Portugal be written in English? I don't read Portuguese except ancestry records. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:42 am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel I've written to a couple of cousins in Portugal for suggestions for ook stores there from which to buy the book - I looked online but ouldn't find any that carried the book there. It may be cheaper to uy directly from them even with postage, etc. I'll keep you updated n any info I receive. Looks like a very interesting read indeed. Janette n 15-Jan-10, at 9:31 AM, Scot Austin wrote: > Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used Scot [email protected] wrote: > Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going > to find. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Jill, > I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was > $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 > so this > copy was a bargain. > > Regards, > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > Lou, > > I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global > Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at > Amazon.com at a > very > hefty price. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Miguel, > Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally > received a copy > of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only > read a > couple > of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have > learned things > about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for > your > recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better > understand > who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... > > Best Regards, > Lou > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Thank you, Scot. I'll check again. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Scot Austin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:31 am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used Scot [email protected] wrote: Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going to find. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Jill, I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 so this copy was a bargain. Regards, Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Lou, I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at Amazon.com at a very hefty price. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Miguel, Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a couple of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better understand who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... Best Regards, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Awesome. Thank you! Janette On 15-Jan-10, at 1:16 PM, Luis Beal wrote: > Janette, > They do ship to the States. I just received an e-mail from them > because they require a NIF or TIN number which I do not have. So, if > you want to buy the book just go ahead and create an account with > them and when you reach that NIF number just put 123456789. You > should be able to complete your transaction that way. > Good luck, > > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain > perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it > is woven into the life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:59:23 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel -Global Village book > > Thanks Luis. I just sent them an email (in very poor Portuguese) > which they will hopefully understand asking if they ship outside of > Portugal. From the information on the shipping page I think they do, > but not sure if it's just in Europe. Will keep you posted. > > Janette > > > On 15-Jan-10, at 12:27 PM, Luis Beal wrote: > >> They still sell it in Portugal http://www.wook.pt/ficha/the-first-global-village/a/id/78492/filter/ >> it is only 18 euros but I don't know how much shipping costs. So it >> is not out of print :) >> >> Luis Beal >> >> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain >> perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it >> is woven into the life of our ancestors." >> Cicero, Roman orator >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Lou Abreu III <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:11:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel >> >> All, >> I believe this book is out of print that is why it is so >> expensive, not >> sure the publisher would be of any help. >> >> Lou >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:46 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel >> >> >> Thank you, Scot. I'll check again. >> >> Jill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scot Austin <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:31 am >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel >> >> >> Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&co >> ndition=used >> Scot >> [email protected] wrote: >> Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going to >> find. >> >> Jill >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Jill, >> I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was >> $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 >> so this >> copy was a bargain. >> >> Regards, >> Lou >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel >> >> Lou, >> >> I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global >> Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at >> Amazon.com at a >> very >> hefty price. >> >> Jill >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Miguel, >> Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received >> a copy >> of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only >> read a >> couple >> of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned >> things >> about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for >> your >> recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better >> understand >> who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... >> >> Best Regards, >> Lou >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> uotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of >> >> he message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of >> >> he message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Janette, They do ship to the States. I just received an e-mail from them because they require a NIF or TIN number which I do not have. So, if you want to buy the book just go ahead and create an account with them and when you reach that NIF number just put 123456789. You should be able to complete your transaction that way. Good luck, Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:59:23 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel -Global Village book Thanks Luis. I just sent them an email (in very poor Portuguese) which they will hopefully understand asking if they ship outside of Portugal. From the information on the shipping page I think they do, but not sure if it's just in Europe. Will keep you posted. Janette On 15-Jan-10, at 12:27 PM, Luis Beal wrote: > They still sell it in Portugal http://www.wook.pt/ficha/the-first-global-village/a/id/78492/filter/ > it is only 18 euros but I don't know how much shipping costs. So it > is not out of print :) > > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain > perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it > is woven into the life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lou Abreu III <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:11:36 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > All, > I believe this book is out of print that is why it is so > expensive, not > sure the publisher would be of any help. > > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > > Thank you, Scot. I'll check again. > > Jill > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Austin <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:31 am > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > > Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 > http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&co > ndition=used > Scot > [email protected] wrote: > Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going to > find. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Jill, > I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was > $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 > so this > copy was a bargain. > > Regards, > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > Lou, > > I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global > Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at > Amazon.com at a > very > hefty price. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Miguel, > Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received > a copy > of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a > couple > of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned > things > about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for > your > recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better > understand > who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... > > Best Regards, > Lou > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > uotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > > he message > > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Luis. I just sent them an email (in very poor Portuguese) which they will hopefully understand asking if they ship outside of Portugal. From the information on the shipping page I think they do, but not sure if it's just in Europe. Will keep you posted. Janette On 15-Jan-10, at 12:27 PM, Luis Beal wrote: > They still sell it in Portugal http://www.wook.pt/ficha/the-first-global-village/a/id/78492/filter/ > it is only 18 euros but I don't know how much shipping costs. So it > is not out of print :) > > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain > perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it > is woven into the life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lou Abreu III <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:11:36 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > All, > I believe this book is out of print that is why it is so > expensive, not > sure the publisher would be of any help. > > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > > Thank you, Scot. I'll check again. > > Jill > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Austin <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:31 am > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > > Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 > http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&co > ndition=used > Scot > [email protected] wrote: > Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going to > find. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Jill, > I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was > $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 > so this > copy was a bargain. > > Regards, > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > Lou, > > I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global > Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at > Amazon.com at a > very > hefty price. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Miguel, > Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received > a copy > of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a > couple > of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned > things > about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for > your > recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better > understand > who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... > > Best Regards, > Lou > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > uotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > > he message > > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

They still sell it in Portugal http://www.wook.pt/ficha/the-first-global-village/a/id/78492/filter/ it is only 18 euros but I don't know how much shipping costs. So it is not out of print :) Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Lou Abreu III <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:11:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel All, I believe this book is out of print that is why it is so expensive, not sure the publisher would be of any help. Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Thank you, Scot. I'll check again. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Scot Austin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:31 am Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&co ndition=used Scot [email protected] wrote: Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going to find. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Jill, I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 so this copy was a bargain. Regards, Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Lou, I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at Amazon.com at a very hefty price. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Miguel, Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a couple of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better understand who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... Best Regards, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes...I believe the Portuguese and English versions are available. I was actually trying to go directly to the publisher hoping that they would sell online, but couldn't quite get to their official website. I read Portuguese but ever so slowly (with dictionary in hand) so I'm looking for an English copy. On 15-Jan-10, at 10:47 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Janette, > > Would the books in Portugal be written in English? I don't read > Portuguese except ancestry records. > > Jill > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:42 am > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > > I've written to a couple of cousins in Portugal for suggestions for > ook stores there from which to buy the book - I looked online but > ouldn't find any that carried the book there. It may be cheaper to > uy directly from them even with postage, etc. I'll keep you updated > n any info I receive. Looks like a very interesting read indeed. > Janette > > n 15-Jan-10, at 9:31 AM, Scot Austin wrote: >> Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used > > Scot > > [email protected] wrote: >> Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going >> to find. >> >> Jill >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Jill, >> I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was >> $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 >> so this >> copy was a bargain. >> >> Regards, >> Lou >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel >> >> Lou, >> >> I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global >> Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at >> Amazon.com at a >> very >> hefty price. >> >> Jill >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Miguel, >> Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally >> received a copy >> of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only >> read a >> couple >> of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have >> learned things >> about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for >> your >> recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better >> understand >> who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... >> >> Best Regards, >> Lou >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I've written to a couple of cousins in Portugal for suggestions for book stores there from which to buy the book - I looked online but couldn't find any that carried the book there. It may be cheaper to buy directly from them even with postage, etc. I'll keep you updated on any info I receive. Looks like a very interesting read indeed. Janette On 15-Jan-10, at 9:31 AM, Scot Austin wrote: > Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used > > Scot > > [email protected] wrote: >> Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going >> to find. >> >> Jill >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Jill, >> I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was >> $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 >> so this >> copy was a bargain. >> >> Regards, >> Lou >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel >> >> Lou, >> >> I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global >> Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at >> Amazon.com at a >> very >> hefty price. >> >> Jill >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Miguel, >> Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally >> received a copy >> of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only >> read a >> couple >> of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have >> learned things >> about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for >> your >> recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better >> understand >> who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... >> >> Best Regards, >> Lou >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Amazon has 10 used copies from $62.56 to $179.18 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9724613135/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used Scot [email protected] wrote: > Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going to find. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Jill, > I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was > $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 so this > copy was a bargain. > > Regards, > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel > > Lou, > > I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global > Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at Amazon.com at a > very > hefty price. > > Jill > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Miguel, > Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy > of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a > couple > of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things > about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your > recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better > understand > who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... > > Best Regards, > Lou > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]otsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Lou, You're welcome. I'm glad you're liking it! We have indeed a thousand and one reasons to be proud of them and of their endeavours. Best Regards, Miguel On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Lou Abreu III <[email protected]> wrote: > Miguel, > Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy > of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a couple > of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things > about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your > recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better > understand > who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... > > Best Regards, > Lou > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This interests particularly the descendants of the Noronhas from Caniço, as well of those of Vasco Fernandes do Rego. In Tomo I-1, pg 149, of Pereira de Agrela I found this: Maria Gonçalves m. (Funchal, 1552) Afonso de Viana, ( the first Viana to come to Madeira (in 1539 he was living in Caniço)) Maria Gonçalves was the daughter of João Adão Raposo m. Filipa Correia, and paternal g. dau. of Gonçalo Anes Raposo (referred in NFP, Gayo, vol IX, pg 201, título Raposos)) and Helena Correia. This Helena Correia was the dau. of one of the most famous sesmeiros and povoadores of Câmara de Lobos. Diogo Lopes, also known as Diogo Lopes da Escada or da Estacada. He was married with Helena Lopes Correia, daughter of Fernão Correia, of noble lineage, said to be a comrade of João Gonçalves Zarco. The noble Correias, it seems stem from this lineage, not from the lineage of João Afonso, of Câmara de Lobos, said to be a Correia, but who was not a real Correia. It's worth investigating this Diogo Lopes and Helena Lopes Correia descendants. It seems that the Gomes Correias from S. Gonçalo, who also carried the names Correia de Abreu and Ornelas de Abreu, are his direct descendants. Also the early Lopes de Abreu from Câmara de Lobos. Another interesting thing in this title of Viannas, is that Afonso de Viana and Maria Gonçalves also had: Constança Lopes (Jan 20, 1543, Caniço).m Diogo de Fragoa, or Diogo de Fraga, FCR. From whom I suspect originate the Fragas from Caniço. Pedro de Viana , son of Af. de Viana and M.a, Gves married (Sé, 1567) Catarina Rodrigues de Frias also known as Catarrina Ferreira , dau. of Miguel Rodrigues de Frias ( Sé, 1542) m. Leonor Gonçalves (possibly Leonor Gonçalves Ferreira, because of the Ferreira his daughter used.) Rhis Frias might be a descendant of the first of this name to come to Madeira, Romeu de Frias, who married around 1470, Isabel Dias Baldaia. best regards, Miguel

Thanks, Lou. I guess that is about as cheap a copy as I'm going to find. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 8:40:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Jill, I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 so this copy was a bargain. Regards, Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Lou, I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at Amazon.com at a very hefty price. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Miguel, Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a couple of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better understand who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... Best Regards, Lou > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jill, I purchased it through Amazon.com, the price for the copy I have was $76.82. I did see other copies for a lot more upwards of $120.00 so this copy was a bargain. Regards, Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] For Miguel Lou, I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at Amazon.com at a very hefty price. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Miguel, Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a couple of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better understand who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... Best Regards, Lou > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lou, I'm interested to know where you purchased the book The First Global Village. The only place that I've seen it for sale is at Amazon.com at a very hefty price. Jill In a message dated 1/14/2010 5:11:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Miguel, Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a couple of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better understand who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... Best Regards, Lou > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Miguel, Just wanted to drop you a note to tell you that I finally received a copy of Martin Page's book, The First Global Village. I have only read a couple of pages and am very locked to this book, in 5 pages I have learned things about our ancestors that I did not know. Thank you so much for your recommendations, I shall be following them to increase and better understand who my ancestors are and thus who I am ..... Best Regards, Lou >

thanks miguel, very useful info leandro In a message dated 14/01/2010 20:36:05 Romance Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Leandro and all, 1. André Martins, o Velho, (1568, Gaula) m. Marquesa da Mata (dau. of João Pires da Mata and Maria Gonçalves /The connection to Afonso da Mata, Escudeiro, is through Isabel de Freitas, João Pires da Mata's mother, dau. of Afonso da Mata and Isabel de Freitas.) they had: 2. André Martins m, (1602, Gaula) Catarina de Araújo, dau of Pedro de Araújo and Maria de Freitas, they had: 3. André Martins (1647, Gaula( m. Isabel Vieira, they had. 4. André Martins m. (1690, Gaula) Simoa da Mata 1. Rodrigo Afonso m. Isabel de...(N) 2. Pedro Gonçalves (slave) (1625, Gaula) m Maria da Mata, dau. of João Martins (1576, Gaula) Juliana Rodrigues, he João Martins son. of Bastião Pires, (g.son of Afonso da Mata), she Juliana dau. of João Rodrigues (Teixeira) and Beatriz Gonçalves. )), they had 3. Pedro Gonçalves (1649, Gaula) Maria Jorge, dau, of Francisco Fernandes and Ana Jorge), they had: 4. Simoa da Mata m. (1690, Gaula) André Martins. So André and Simoa had, as their marriage register does not forget to mention, "4º grau de consaguinidade." André Martins, o velho, is the trunk of the title "MARTINS DA MATA" (FMPS, Clode, pg 201). However, Clode gives Marquesa da Mata as dau. of Bartolomeu Luiz and Joana de Freitas, Joana as g.dau. of Afonso da Mata, Escudeiro, and Isabel de Freitas , According to Clode, the Martins da Mata are linked to other titles as Rodrigues de Gaula (all the Rodrigues above, proceeding from João Rodrigues Teixeira, "O Gordo," are known as "Rodrigues de Gaula" (to distinguish them from other Rodrigues), Freitas de Gaula, Cairos Vaz, Perestrelos, and others. In the example above we can confirm Clode, who was very careful in these matters. Miguel On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:32 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Miguel, > > Could you send to us the 3 first ancestors of simoa and andre? so i could > link them together? > > Thank you > > Leandro > > > In a message dated 1/14/2010 4:06:39 A.M. W. Europe Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hello Mary, > > Thanks to your data I was able to trace the ascendants of Maria da Mata m. > Pedro Gonçalves (slave), parents of Simoa da Mata m. André Martins > > It's a spectacular case of social mobility, indeed, especially for Pedro > Gonçalves the slave, because Maria da Mata is the 4th g.daughter of João > Rodrigues Teixeira "O Gordo", FCR (nobleman of the Royal House), the 3d > g.daughter of Afonso da Mata, Escudeiro (minor nobility), and 2d g. > daugther > of Álvaro Gonçalves and Isabel Arrais de Mendonça. (Isabel Arrais from the > nobility). > > André Martins as I suspected, is a Martins da Mata, son, and g.son of two > other André Martins, and also descendant of Álvaro Gonçalves and Isabel > Arrais de Mendonça. and also of the old and well known Afonso da Mata - > > The names of the testemunhas some morgados, in all these marriages and > some > Ornelas, Teles de Meneses (la créme de la crème of Gaula) etc. pointed to > something. Now i can see why they fit in the whole picture. > > > As to the second marriage of Simoa, it's not surprising. She was perhaps a > beautiful mulatto woman with a good pedigree. > > Anyway Pedro Gonçalves to have married Maria da Mata (dau. of João Martins > and ( m. 1576) Juliana Rodrigues had to be escravo forro. Because after > all, > she was the 4th g.daugther of "The Gordo", This is quite telling about > madeiran society. It talks of a mobile society in that time, if not > anywhere, at least in Gaula.. > > Thanks again, > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Mary Frost <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hello Miguel: > > > > > > > > I have returned from the local FHC and re-examined the records in > question. > > > > > > > > The record for Francisco da Mata Caldeira and Isabel de Freitas 878-270 > was > > very faded on the film. I do believe that the parents of Francisco were > > Miguel Martins and Isabel Rodrigues. There is a note in the record after > > the > > groom's mother's name that I cannot decipher due to poor quality of the > > film. It refers to Miguel Martins and says something about Jose. Sorry > but > > I > > could barely see it on the page. > > > > > > > > I have nothing more to add regarding the parentage of Isabel de Freitas, > > but > > it does appear that her father only used one last name and her mother > was > > also Isabel de Freitas and that all of them lived in Lugar de Canico. I > was > > able to pick out another name in the document- Miguel Manuel Barreto. > There > > was the signature of Joseph Teles de Meneses and also of Joao da Gama > > Pereira and what appeared to be an X next to the name of a Manuel > Gameto? > > There were also two other unclear signatures. > > > > > > > > Record 879-147v mostly unreadable except for margin notes. Felipe da > Mata, > > son of Pedro Goncalves and Maria Jorge married Isabel da Mata daughter > of > > Joao Rodrigues and (possibly) Bartoleza or . The document was signed by > > Francisco Nunes Leal and Francisco de Ornelas (unclear). > > > > > > > > Record 879 151 Nov 9, 1690 Andre Martins and Simoa da Mata: son of > Andre > > Martins and Isabel Vieira (deceased), daughter of Pedro Goncalves and > Maria > > Jorge, all living in the freguesia Nossa Senhora da Luz. Testamentos > > Francisco de Ornelas de Camara and Joao (unclear) de Vasconcelos, > Morgado > > de > > Sam Joam. Cura Domingos da Mata, signed by Joseph Teles de Meneses. Very > > clear and easy to read. > > > > > > > > 878-168 June 15, 1654 (very dark on film) Francisco da Mata son of > Miguel > > Martins and Isabel Rodrigues? of Canico married Isabel da Mata daughter > of > > Miguel Afonso and Francisca da Mata, deceased. Record hard to read but > > signed at the bottom by what appears to be Manuel de Couto? The record > is > > also signed along the side vertically in the margin by a Joao (unclear) > and > > Manuel Teixeira (Cardoso?). > > > > > > > > 878 159 Aug 30, 1649 Pedro Goncalves son of Pedro Goncalves escravo (no > > forro) and his wife Maria de Mata (deceased) married Maria Jorge > daughter > > of > > Francisco Fernandes and his wife Ana Jorge?. It was signed by Manuel > > Teixiera C(unclear) and Mathias (unclear) > > > > > > > > 877 82v Jan 27, 1624 Maria da Mata (her name first in record) daughter > of > > Joao Martins? (unclear) (deceased) and Juliana Rodrigues of this > freguesia > > married Pero Goncalves (unclear) of (looks like) Rodrigo Afonco and > Isabel > > de (unclear) of Santa Cruz. Cura Padre Pero Lopes, signed by Jorge Monis > de > > Meneses, Baltazar Rodrigues and Manuel de (Paiva?) > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. The film is still on film here. If there is anything > > else > > you need, let me know and I will try to look again in the future. > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message