These are not direct for me yet...but as I had Lancarote and Ana in my tree I was able to fit them all in. As I was doing so I was wondering... The sisters Maria Preta and Ana Fernandes - anyone know who their parents are? If not...I have a good guess in Francisco Preto m Joana Fernandes- They had son named Francisco Preto who m Ana Varela de Lira And they had a son Manuel Dias de Lira b 1613 in Calheta and m Maria de Abreu de Souto Maior in 1644 in Calheta. Let me know if I hit the ball out of the park maybe...or if it's a just foul ball... Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro Henriques Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:22 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves Hi Philip, here it is, this note was taken from the book FMPS, pgs 456, 457, 458. Pedro de Agrela is supposed to be the son of Lançarote de Agrela x Ana Morante, He was baptized in Sé, 1560, Godfathers Zenóbio Accioli and Mendo Afonso de Abreu, Godmother, the wife of Francisco Accioli (Catarina Rodrigues, dau. of João Rodrigues Castelhano). here it is: Pedro de Agrela x Joana Lopes, widow, 1588, Sé. No descendants known. Then he married Margarida Gonçalves - they lived in Prazeres, Estreito da Calheta. They had 4 children. 1- Manuel de Agrela x Maria Preta. 1617. Est. Calheta. 2- António de Agrela x Isabel Fernandes (sister of the above Maria Preta.) 1618. Ermida dos Prazeres- 3- Francisco de Agrelas. x Lionor Esteves 1619, Est. Calheta. 4- Pedro de Agrela x Ana Rodrigues. 1620. Nossa Senhora dos Prazeres. Voilà, Cheers, Miguel 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 > Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > > your assistance would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lancarote Agrela and Ana Morata are my direct line paternal and maternal ancestors... >From the various members of this direct line ancestry, I am related to Lancarote e Ana as their 9th; 10th and 11th g-granddaughter... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Austin" <scotaustin@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:46:31 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves They are Donna's 8th g-grandparents as well Scot On 3/11/2011 7:39 AM, Pat Corbera wrote: > Hello Primo Philip, > > I wasn't sure what you may have had already, that is why I asked what you needed... > > Miguel to the rescue as always... we're lucky to have him on our "team." > > > > Prima Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Rodrigues"<philrod51@yahoo.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > Hello Prima Pat, > I thought you might know of this couple and we connect here as well, they are > my 9th great grand parents. Miguel has come through big time. > > > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Pat Corbera<PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 1:40:12 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > Hi Philip, > > This couple is my 8th GGP... what information are you looking for... > > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Rodrigues"<philrod51@yahoo.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 7:00:14 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 > Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > > your assistance would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 1:54 PM, JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>wrote: > Miguel, > this is one we share. How did his descendants (his son Francisco?) end up > in > Caniço/Camacha? > Actually they did, but I don't know how. > Did the name in some parts of Madeira become Cunha/ > It's quite possible, sometimes priests were not very accurate writing the names. > I think your hypothesis is very good. Another place I have got to visit. > Have > you taken over the fort for the family? > ; -) Of course. The Nóbrega clan is a fighting clan. And its origins still surrounded by mist. Saúde! Miguel > > Cheers, > José > > > > ________________________________ > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 1:20:30 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] The Canhas > > Some of us descend from Rui Pires de Canha (or Ocanha, or d'Ocanha - I > prefer this last one ). He was one of the first settlers in Madeira. He was > given a "sesmaria" (large area for cultivation, where there is now the area > known as " Os Canhas". > > He is regarded traditionally as the son of João de Canha, escudeiro of the > Duqe of Viseu, who together with his son was one of the first settlers in > Madeira. > > After a marriage with Beatriz Gonçalves, daughter of the first Zarco, this > rather seminal man married Leonor Rodrigues, and they had 15 children! > > Anyway, now I am not concerned with his descendants, some are known via > HHN, Felisberto BM and others. And here is my point. Up to now there has > been a big debate among genealogists about the origin of the name. It was > considered a toponym . Very good. Most probably. But from where? Some said > from Algarve, some said from the North. They were looking, of course, for a > village called Canhas, or something in the line. And they found one or two. > > Meanwhile, thanks to a journalist friend of mine I have a new hypothesis, > This friend recently was in a place called Ucanha (with "U" not "O") . It's > is near Moimenta da Beira and Tarouca. It means up on the North, in an area > called "Região do Douro" (which is mankind patrimony, btw). It is a very > old, medieval village, recently restored, with stone and wood houses, > outside stairs in wood, for instance. It has a quite imposing and beautiful > medieval Tower-Fortress. So here we have another quite probable hypothesis, > not considered up to now by what I've read about Canhas: Canhas or > D'Ocanhas, they may have come originally from Ucanha. And to reinforce this > possibility I've seen their name written D'Ucanha. > > So I'm just stirring the kettle, keeping this controversy on the go, > throwing one more hypothesis; -) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Primo Philip, I wasn't sure what you may have had already, that is why I asked what you needed... Miguel to the rescue as always... we're lucky to have him on our "team." Prima Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:10:25 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves Hello Prima Pat, I thought you might know of this couple and we connect here as well, they are my 9th great grand parents. Miguel has come through big time. Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 1:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves Hi Philip, This couple is my 8th GGP... what information are you looking for... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 7:00:14 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts your assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They are Donna's 8th g-grandparents as well Scot On 3/11/2011 7:39 AM, Pat Corbera wrote: > Hello Primo Philip, > > I wasn't sure what you may have had already, that is why I asked what you needed... > > Miguel to the rescue as always... we're lucky to have him on our "team." > > > > Prima Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Rodrigues"<philrod51@yahoo.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > Hello Prima Pat, > I thought you might know of this couple and we connect here as well, they are > my 9th great grand parents. Miguel has come through big time. > > > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Pat Corbera<PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 1:40:12 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > Hi Philip, > > This couple is my 8th GGP... what information are you looking for... > > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Rodrigues"<philrod51@yahoo.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 7:00:14 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 > Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > > your assistance would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Miguel, this is one we share. How did his descendants (his son Francisco?) end up in Caniço/Camacha? Did the name in some parts of Madeira become Cunha/ I think your hypothesis is very good. Another place I have got to visit. Have you taken over the fort for the family? Cheers, José ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 1:20:30 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] The Canhas Some of us descend from Rui Pires de Canha (or  Ocanha, or d'Ocanha - I prefer this last one ). He was one of the first settlers in Madeira. He was given a "sesmaria" (large area for cultivation, where there is now the area known as " Os Canhas". He is regarded traditionally as the son of João de Canha, escudeiro of the Duqe of Viseu, who together with his son was one of the first settlers in Madeira. After a marriage with Beatriz Gonçalves, daughter of the first Zarco, this rather seminal man married Leonor Rodrigues, and they had 15  children! Anyway,  now I am not concerned with his descendants, some are known via HHN, Felisberto BM and others. And here is my point. Up to now there has been a big debate among genealogists about the origin of the name. It was considered a toponym . Very good. Most probably. But from where? Some said from Algarve, some said from the North. They were looking, of course, for a village called Canhas, or something in the line. And they found one or two. Meanwhile, thanks to a journalist friend of mine I have a new hypothesis, This friend recently was in a place called Ucanha (with "U" not "O") . It's is near Moimenta da Beira and Tarouca. It means up on the North, in an area called "Região do Douro" (which is mankind patrimony, btw). It is a very old, medieval village, recently restored, with stone and wood houses, outside stairs in wood, for instance. It has a quite imposing and beautiful medieval Tower-Fortress. So here we have another quite probable hypothesis, not considered up to now by what I've read about Canhas: Canhas or D'Ocanhas, they may have come originally from Ucanha. And to reinforce this possibility I've seen their name written D'Ucanha. So I'm just stirring the kettle, keeping this controversy on the go, throwing one more hypothesis; -) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

; - ) There are some "Miguel's cousins" too - 2011/3/10 Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > Miguel, > > You and I had lengthy posting exchanges on Pedro's parents Lancarote de > Agrela and Ana Morata back in 2006... At the time of our exchanges I was > trying to establish a link with the Mondragões family who were noted as > being Jewish... > > To quote what you wrote in one of those exchanges..." You've hit head on in > one of the "classic" madeiran genealogical gordian knots :))" > > It seems nearly 5 years after this exchange I continue to be involved with > the "classic Madeiran Genealogical Gordian Knots," I'm referring to my > possible connection in the Portocarreiro family that is noted in Sr. Manuel > Abranches Soveral article... ;-)). > > I think for now on I'll refer to my various "questionable ancestry," as > "Papagaia's cousins." > > > Hugs, > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:20:41 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > Philip, > > I think I have something about Pedro de Agrela and Marg. Gonçalves. Going > to > search. > > Miguel > > 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > > > Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 > > Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > > > > your assistance would be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Philip > > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Miguel, You and I had lengthy posting exchanges on Pedro's parents Lancarote de Agrela and Ana Morata back in 2006... At the time of our exchanges I was trying to establish a link with the Mondragões family who were noted as being Jewish... To quote what you wrote in one of those exchanges..." You've hit head on in one of the "classic" madeiran genealogical gordian knots :))" It seems nearly 5 years after this exchange I continue to be involved with the "classic Madeiran Genealogical Gordian Knots," I'm referring to my possible connection in the Portocarreiro family that is noted in Sr. Manuel Abranches Soveral article... ;-)). I think for now on I'll refer to my various "questionable ancestry," as "Papagaia's cousins." Hugs, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:20:41 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves Philip, I think I have something about Pedro de Agrela and Marg. Gonçalves. Going to search. Miguel 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 > Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > > your assistance would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/

Hi Philip, This couple is my 8th GGP... what information are you looking for... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 7:00:14 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts your assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Philip, here it is, this note was taken from the book FMPS, pgs 456, 457, 458. Pedro de Agrela is supposed to be the son of Lançarote de Agrela x Ana Morante, He was baptized in Sé, 1560, Godfathers Zenóbio Accioli and Mendo Afonso de Abreu, Godmother, the wife of Francisco Accioli (Catarina Rodrigues, dau. of João Rodrigues Castelhano). here it is: Pedro de Agrela x Joana Lopes, widow, 1588, Sé. No descendants known. Then he married Margarida Gonçalves - they lived in Prazeres, Estreito da Calheta. They had 4 children. 1- Manuel de Agrela x Maria Preta. 1617. Est. Calheta. 2- António de Agrela x Isabel Fernandes (sister of the above Maria Preta.) 1618. Ermida dos Prazeres- 3- Francisco de Agrelas. x Lionor Esteves 1619, Est. Calheta. 4- Pedro de Agrela x Ana Rodrigues. 1620. Nossa Senhora dos Prazeres. Voilà, Cheers, Miguel 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 > Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > > your assistance would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Philip, I think I have something about Pedro de Agrela and Marg. Gonçalves. Going to search. Miguel 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 > Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > > your assistance would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Prima Pat, I thought you might know of this couple and we connect here as well, they are my 9th great grand parents. Miguel has come through big time. Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 1:40:12 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves Hi Philip, This couple is my 8th GGP... what information are you looking for... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 7:00:14 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts your assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts your assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/

Some of us descend from Rui Pires de Canha (or Ocanha, or d'Ocanha - I prefer this last one ). He was one of the first settlers in Madeira. He was given a "sesmaria" (large area for cultivation, where there is now the area known as " Os Canhas". He is regarded traditionally as the son of João de Canha, escudeiro of the Duqe of Viseu, who together with his son was one of the first settlers in Madeira. After a marriage with Beatriz Gonçalves, daughter of the first Zarco, this rather seminal man married Leonor Rodrigues, and they had 15 children! Anyway, now I am not concerned with his descendants, some are known via HHN, Felisberto BM and others. And here is my point. Up to now there has been a big debate among genealogists about the origin of the name. It was considered a toponym . Very good. Most probably. But from where? Some said from Algarve, some said from the North. They were looking, of course, for a village called Canhas, or something in the line. And they found one or two. Meanwhile, thanks to a journalist friend of mine I have a new hypothesis, This friend recently was in a place called Ucanha (with "U" not "O") . It's is near Moimenta da Beira and Tarouca. It means up on the North, in an area called "Região do Douro" (which is mankind patrimony, btw). It is a very old, medieval village, recently restored, with stone and wood houses, outside stairs in wood, for instance. It has a quite imposing and beautiful medieval Tower-Fortress. So here we have another quite probable hypothesis, not considered up to now by what I've read about Canhas: Canhas or D'Ocanhas, they may have come originally from Ucanha. And to reinforce this possibility I've seen their name written D'Ucanha. So I'm just stirring the kettle, keeping this controversy on the go, throwing one more hypothesis; -)

José, It's just the title. I posted it because it's one of the few genealogical works about Madeiran families to be found in the BN (Biblioteca Nacional), Lisbon. It's about the Pestanas, and as a rule in any genealogical work thoroughly done about any given family we're almost certain to find some connection with ours and some interesting data. Of course "family" for a genealogist has a very different sense and scope than for ordinary (non genealogist) people. It's very inclusive, !5 th degree cousins exist, the roots are medieval and pre-medieval. You are thrilled when discover a grand uncle from the 13 th century, etc. recently in one of my genelolgical lists Manuel Abranches de Soveral, a distinguished genealogist from a distinguished and very old Portuguese family, told that he had a grand-uncle, brother of his grandmother, who was a genealogist. So he was all the time discovering close and distant cousins, connections and links with other families,etc.. However, his sister was very reluctant to extend the scope of her family, which for her was far more nuclear, reduced to some digital number of cousins, who had been cousins since ever (that is since 400 hundred years or so) and a couple of Casas (in Portugal an old and noble family is referred as those of "Casa de") . The uncle genealogist continued to add cousins who were even more cousins, I mean , more closely related, than those her sister had the assurance were the real, traditional ones. So the lady, overwhelmed by such a flood of new relatives, finally when people asked about it, had this funny remark: Oh, these are my brother's cousins , -) With most of my own family it's the same. They're almost upset when I tell them add one old Germanic King, or one more Fisher King from the Merovech lineage. or a moor slave, a carpenter from the XV th century or a well known misbehaved rascal. So for me the sarcastic remark (from a very close relative) I was recently gifted with was; Oh it seems Miguel has found a new link to Charlemagne... Miguel On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:55 PM, JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>wrote: > Miguel, > on this link I am not able to get a list just a title. am I missing > something? > > José > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:13:53 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Pestanas da Ponta do Pargo > > >From BN: > > > http://catalogo.bnportugal.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=12F9625T5906B.556547&profile=bn&source=~!bnp&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100024~!124059~!0&ri=11&aspect=subtab11&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=genealogias+da+madeira&index=.GW&uindex=&aspect=subtab11&menu=search&ri=11<http://catalogo.bnportugal.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=12F9625T5906B.556547&profile=bn&source=%7E%21bnp&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100024%7E%21124059%7E%210&ri=11&aspect=subtab11&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=genealogias+da+madeira&index=.GW&uindex=&aspect=subtab11&menu=search&ri=11> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Miguel, on this link I am not able to get a list just a title. am I missing something? José ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:13:53 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Pestanas da Ponta do Pargo >From BN: http://catalogo.bnportugal.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=12F9625T5906B.556547&profile=bn&source=~!bnp&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100024~!124059~!0&ri=11&aspect=subtab11&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=genealogias+da+madeira&index=.GW&uindex=&aspect=subtab11&menu=search&ri=11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Pat, the other note was not more eloquent than this one .... Anyway I remember that in the title Baptistas, from FMPS, there is also a mention of a Porto- Carreiro married to a lady Baptista. Porto Carreiro is a very rare name in Madeira. Quite recently I read in Tizón de la Nobleza Española, by the Cardinal Francisco de Medoza y Bobadilla, 16 th century that the Porto-Carreros (from which came the Portuguese Porto Carreiro branch) had a jewish origin - and as it originated in Spain it is most certainly sephardic. you can read this most famous book here (in spanish) http://www.argentinawarez.com/ebooks-gratis/1020335-libro-el-tizon-de-la-nobleza-espanola-de-francisco-de-mendoza-y-bobadilla.html Hugs, Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Dear Primo Miguel, > > Thank you... It's as you said, "on pg 265," wish it said more about the > linking to Tristao Vaz, other than just citing they were primos... > > I appreciate your help... > > Hugs, > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:55:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Primo Miguel, Thank you... It's as you said, "on pg 265," wish it said more about the linking to Tristao Vaz, other than just citing they were primos... I appreciate your help... Hugs, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:55:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists Pat, There is also another reference from Clode's book: O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo do descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you can find it on NESOS- Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > Pat, > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > Miguel > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > >> Miguel, >> >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? >> >> Pat >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> >> Pat, >> >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do AHM >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. >> >> Miguel >> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net >> >wrote: >> >> > >> > Miguel, >> > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? >> > >> > Pat >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > >> > Denise, >> > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both >> called >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. >> > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of João >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a >> > Portocarreiro. >> > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning in >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of >> arms >> > of >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. >> > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two >> full >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) >> > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers with >> > the >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly >> referred >> > to >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. >> > > >> > > Denise D'Antona >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > Miguel >> > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is >> > ommitted! >> > > >> > > Cheeers, >> > > >> > > José >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________ >> > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM >> > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez instead >> of >> > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of >> Aldrama >> > or >> > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes >> > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> > body >> > > of >> > > >> > > the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Pat, There is also another reference from Clode's book: O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo do descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you can find it on NESOS- Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > Pat, > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > Miguel > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > >> Miguel, >> >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? >> >> Pat >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> >> Pat, >> >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do AHM >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. >> >> Miguel >> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net >> >wrote: >> >> > >> > Miguel, >> > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? >> > >> > Pat >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > >> > Denise, >> > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both >> called >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. >> > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of João >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a >> > Portocarreiro. >> > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning in >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of >> arms >> > of >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. >> > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two >> full >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) >> > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers with >> > the >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly >> referred >> > to >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. >> > > >> > > Denise D'Antona >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > Miguel >> > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is >> > ommitted! >> > > >> > > Cheeers, >> > > >> > > José >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________ >> > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM >> > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez instead >> of >> > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of >> Aldrama >> > or >> > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes >> > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> > body >> > > of >> > > >> > > the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > Found this extremely interesting info, especially for those who have > ancestors in (17th and 18 th century) Atabua, Ponta Delgada and Ribeira > Brava > > > These are taken from the manuscripts of madeiran Dr. Rodrigues de Oliveira, > MD, genealogist, who spent many years researching church documents, before > Arquivo. > > He only transcribed the documents of those he thought were "noble". > Fortunately his criterion was wide, so you find many "common" people who > married with descendants of nobility. > > > http://books.google.pt/books?id=k-kRAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA299&dq=revista+geneal%C3%B3gica+latina,+freguesia+atabua&hl=pt-PT&ei=hk9oTcu_J5CVswaQ38zlDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false > > check pg. 303. But it's not the only place in this Revista Genealógica > latina. There are more documents from Atabua in the 8-11 volumes of this > Revista. I dare to say it's a must. > > > Enjoy! > > Cheers, > > > iguel >