I see that you are emailing from Brazil. Here is the passport record of Jose Gomes Jardim and Matilde de Jesus Maria along with their children on going to Brasil. Petitioner Matilde Gomes Jardim Spouse José Gomes Jardim Parish/Country São Martinho-RAM Destination Brasil Year 1913 Box 183 Process Nº 97 Passport Nº 1828 Age (Petitioner) 48 Father (Petitioner) Francisco João Mother (Petitioner) Maria Augusta de Jesus Name of the Children Maria (22 anos), Matilde(16 anos), João do Espírito Santo Gomes Jardim (12 anos) e Bela (11 anos) Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: viúva. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with payment to the archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in payment. The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always send more and they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said that the 30 euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what expenses they mean and my email to the archives remained unanswered. Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me and I owe x amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I have no contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? Thanks a lot. PhilipRodrigues Canada http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/

I could not resist sending you this information on Baptisms. Note that Antonio and Victorino were twins. Chile Father Mother Parish Date Book Leaf Maria José José Gomes Jardim Matilde de Jesus Maria São Martinho 12-04-1891 1905 35 v.º António José Gomes Jardim Matilde de Jesus Maria São Martinho 28-07-1889 1903 51 Victorino José Gomes Jardim Matilde de Jesus Maria São Martinho 28-07-1889 1903 51 v.º José José Gomes Jardim Matilde de Jesus Maria São Martinho 20-10-1892 1906 65 Matilde José Gomes Jardim Matilde de Jesus Maria São Martinho 03-11-1895 6633-A 90 Margarida José Gomes Jardim Matilde de Jesus Maria São Martinho 06-08-1905 6643-A 95 João José Gomes Jardim Matilde de Jesus Maria São Martinho 01-06-1903 6641-A 50 v.º Daniel José Gomes Jardim Matilde de Jesus Maria São Martinho 09-05-1909 6647-A 50 Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat/Regina, garden is the translation of Jardim. What interests me more is the Freitas Shipping. Where did that come from? There is a branch of the Freitas Martins that is involved in shipping. They are still today. Their genealogy is available on NESOS. I do have a copy of it. José From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:25:56 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello Regina, What is this source that you mentioned in your posting..  "files of woodfound the following settlements?"  Is this how the information on your mother appears, and if so what is the source for this information? "Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden," with a surname of Garden?" Pat Silva Corbera Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:59:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. D Lopes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim:   As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is one more pertaining to Baptisms Child Father Mother Parish Date Book Leaf Nicolau Francisco Gomes Jardim Joaquina Teresa de Jesus São Martinho 08-10-1860 1874 30 Adelaide Francisco Gomes Jardim Joaquina Teresa de Jesus São Martinho 06-12-1863 1877 60 Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is some more for you; Husband Wife Parish Year Book Leaf José Gomes Jardim Matilde de Jesus Maria São Martinho 1888 1936 11 João Augusto de Freitas Victorina Augusta de Freitas São Martinho 1878 1926 6 Francisco Gomes Jardim Joaquina Teresa de Jesus São Martinho 1845 1250 83 v.º Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance!

The works of this artist are studied in some of the art classes of the local college I attended here in FL. How interesting to combine scuba and art! -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro Henriques Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:34 AM To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Sculptor Certainly from Madeiran origins, born if an English and a Guianan mother, Jason De Caires Taylor, world known sculptor: http://bronx1985.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/as-necessarias-esculturas-submarin as-de-jason-de-caires-taylor/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Certainly from Madeiran origins, born if an English and a Guianan mother, Jason De Caires Taylor, world known sculptor: http://bronx1985.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/as-necessarias-esculturas-submarinas-de-jason-de-caires-taylor/

Hello everyone, I found a great newspaper lookup site and was able to look at several days in Hawaii when my great grandparents arrived there March 2, 1886. I found a couple of articles on the ship and the people and goods on the ship. Anyway, the website address is http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/beta Tom Freitas

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Thank you to the person who responded about Tristao Vaz name, and yes I am one of his descendants as well as the many others!! ;) Maybe I missed something, but do we know how is related to the Porto Carreiro exactly? Denise D'Antona -----Original Message----- From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Cc: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists Dear Pat, the other note was not more eloquent than this one .... Anyway I remember that in the title Baptistas, from FMPS, there is also a mention of a Porto- Carreiro married to a lady Baptista. Porto Carreiro is a very rare name in Madeira. Quite recently I read in Tizón de la Nobleza Española, by the Cardinal Francisco de Medoza y Bobadilla, 16 th century that the Porto-Carreros (from which came the Portuguese Porto Carreiro branch) had a jewish origin - and as it originated in Spain it is most certainly sephardic. you can read this most famous book here (in spanish) http://www.argentinawarez.com/ebooks-gratis/1020335-libro-el-tizon-de-la-nobleza-espanola-de-francisco-de-mendoza-y-bobadilla.html Hugs, Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Dear Primo Miguel, > > Thank you... It's as you said, "on pg 265," wish it said more about the > linking to Tristao Vaz, other than just citing they were primos... > > I appreciate your help... > > Hugs, > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:55:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank y -----Original Message----- From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Cc: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists Dear Pat, the other note was not more eloquent than this one .... Anyway I remember that in the title Baptistas, from FMPS, there is also a mention of a Porto- Carreiro married to a lady Baptista. Porto Carreiro is a very rare name in Madeira. Quite recently I read in Tizón de la Nobleza Española, by the Cardinal Francisco de Medoza y Bobadilla, 16 th century that the Porto-Carreros (from which came the Portuguese Porto Carreiro branch) had a jewish origin - and as it originated in Spain it is most certainly sephardic. you can read this most famous book here (in spanish) http://www.argentinawarez.com/ebooks-gratis/1020335-libro-el-tizon-de-la-nobleza-espanola-de-francisco-de-mendoza-y-bobadilla.html Hugs, Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Dear Primo Miguel, > > Thank you... It's as you said, "on pg 265," wish it said more about the > linking to Tristao Vaz, other than just citing they were primos... > > I appreciate your help... > > Hugs, > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:55:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anybody know anything about this couple - helping a friend- couple shows in passport record but not in marriage records António Gonçalves do Carvalhal with Luísa de Leça - Canhas about 1845-1850 Thanks Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/

Yes I can verify Andre Fernandes with Margarida goncalves as Maria Prita's parents because I have the marriage document that confirms it.. I would be happy to share it with anyone who needs proof positive. Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Scot Austin <scotaustin@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 1:17:13 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves That's what I show; Marriage record B# 1045 fl. 124. Nossa Senhora da Graca, Estreito da Calheta 9 Oct 1617 Parents Pedro de Agrella and Margarida Gonsalves Andre Fernandes and Maria Farinha Priest: Andre Noguira Witnesses: Pedro Gonsalves de Andrade, Bartolomeu de Franca de Andrade and others. Scot On 3/12/2011 5:41 AM, Leandro De Oliveira wrote: > Hi cece > > I have their parents as Andre fernandes and Maria farinha (info given by Miguel >some time ago in this list) > > Leandro > > > > On 12 Mar 2011, at 13:29, "Cece Camara"<cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > >> These are not direct for me yet...but as I had Lancarote and Ana in my tree >> I was able to fit them all in. >> As I was doing so I was wondering... >> >> The sisters Maria Preta and Ana Fernandes - anyone know who their parents >> are? >> >> If not...I have a good guess in Francisco Preto m Joana Fernandes- >> They had son named Francisco Preto who m Ana Varela de Lira >> And they had a son Manuel Dias de Lira b 1613 in Calheta and m Maria de >> Abreu de Souto Maior in 1644 in Calheta. >> >> Let me know if I hit the ball out of the park maybe...or if it's a just foul >> ball... >> >> Cece >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro >> Henriques >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:22 PM >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves >> >> Hi Philip, >> >> >> here it is, this note was taken from the book FMPS, pgs 456, 457, 458. >> >> Pedro de Agrela is supposed to be the son of Lançarote de Agrela x Ana >> Morante, >> >> He was baptized in Sé, 1560, Godfathers Zenóbio Accioli and Mendo Afonso de >> Abreu, Godmother, the wife of Francisco Accioli (Catarina Rodrigues, dau. of >> João Rodrigues Castelhano). >> >> >> here it is: Pedro de Agrela x Joana Lopes, widow, 1588, Sé. >> >> No descendants known. >> >> >> Then he married Margarida Gonçalves - they lived in Prazeres, Estreito da >> Calheta. >> >> They had 4 children. >> >> 1- Manuel de Agrela x Maria Preta. 1617. Est. Calheta. >> 2- António de Agrela x Isabel Fernandes (sister of the above Maria Preta.) >> 1618. Ermida dos Prazeres- >> 3- Francisco de Agrelas. x Lionor Esteves 1619, Est. Calheta. >> 4- Pedro de Agrela x Ana Rodrigues. 1620. Nossa Senhora dos Prazeres. >> >> Voilà, >> >> Cheers, >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues<philrod51@yahoo.ca> >> >>> Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 >>> Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts >>> >>> your assistance would be much appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Philip >>> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cece, According to the current methodology, in genealogy, when we don't have sufficient data we have to formulate plausible hyporthesis, and wait (for new data) to demonstrate or dismiss it and that's what you did. And that's the good attitude, which keeps the ball on the game. Miguel 2011/3/12 Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> > Just not "good enough"...:-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro > Henriques > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:38 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > Hi Leandro, > > That's correct, > > > Cece: It was a good guess : ) > > > Miguel > > > > > 2011/3/12 Leandro De Oliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com> > > > Hi cece > > > > I have their parents as Andre fernandes and Maria farinha (info given by > > Miguel some time ago in this list) > > > > Leandro > > > > > > > > On 12 Mar 2011, at 13:29, "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > > > > > These are not direct for me yet...but as I had Lancarote and Ana in my > > tree > > > I was able to fit them all in. > > > As I was doing so I was wondering... > > > > > > The sisters Maria Preta and Ana Fernandes - anyone know who their > parents > > > are? > > > > > > If not...I have a good guess in Francisco Preto m Joana Fernandes- > > > They had son named Francisco Preto who m Ana Varela de Lira > > > And they had a son Manuel Dias de Lira b 1613 in Calheta and m Maria de > > > Abreu de Souto Maior in 1644 in Calheta. > > > > > > Let me know if I hit the ball out of the park maybe...or if it's a just > > foul > > > ball... > > > > > > Cece > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de > Castro > > > Henriques > > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:22 PM > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > > > > > Hi Philip, > > > > > > > > > here it is, this note was taken from the book FMPS, pgs 456, 457, 458. > > > > > > Pedro de Agrela is supposed to be the son of Lançarote de Agrela x Ana > > > Morante, > > > > > > He was baptized in Sé, 1560, Godfathers Zenóbio Accioli and Mendo > Afonso > > de > > > Abreu, Godmother, the wife of Francisco Accioli (Catarina Rodrigues, > dau. > > of > > > João Rodrigues Castelhano). > > > > > > > > > here it is: Pedro de Agrela x Joana Lopes, widow, 1588, Sé. > > > > > > No descendants known. > > > > > > > > > Then he married Margarida Gonçalves - they lived in Prazeres, Estreito > > da > > > Calheta. > > > > > > They had 4 children. > > > > > > 1- Manuel de Agrela x Maria Preta. 1617. Est. Calheta. > > > 2- António de Agrela x Isabel Fernandes (sister of the above Maria > > Preta.) > > > 1618. Ermida dos Prazeres- > > > 3- Francisco de Agrelas. x Lionor Esteves 1619, Est. Calheta. > > > 4- Pedro de Agrela x Ana Rodrigues. 1620. Nossa Senhora dos Prazeres. > > > > > > Voilà, > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > > > > > >> Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt > 1580 > > >> Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > > >> > > >> your assistance would be much appreciated. > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> Philip > > >> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Leandro, That's correct, Cece: It was a good guess : ) Miguel 2011/3/12 Leandro De Oliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com> > Hi cece > > I have their parents as Andre fernandes and Maria farinha (info given by > Miguel some time ago in this list) > > Leandro > > > > On 12 Mar 2011, at 13:29, "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > > > These are not direct for me yet...but as I had Lancarote and Ana in my > tree > > I was able to fit them all in. > > As I was doing so I was wondering... > > > > The sisters Maria Preta and Ana Fernandes - anyone know who their parents > > are? > > > > If not...I have a good guess in Francisco Preto m Joana Fernandes- > > They had son named Francisco Preto who m Ana Varela de Lira > > And they had a son Manuel Dias de Lira b 1613 in Calheta and m Maria de > > Abreu de Souto Maior in 1644 in Calheta. > > > > Let me know if I hit the ball out of the park maybe...or if it's a just > foul > > ball... > > > > Cece > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro > > Henriques > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:22 PM > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > > > Hi Philip, > > > > > > here it is, this note was taken from the book FMPS, pgs 456, 457, 458. > > > > Pedro de Agrela is supposed to be the son of Lançarote de Agrela x Ana > > Morante, > > > > He was baptized in Sé, 1560, Godfathers Zenóbio Accioli and Mendo Afonso > de > > Abreu, Godmother, the wife of Francisco Accioli (Catarina Rodrigues, dau. > of > > João Rodrigues Castelhano). > > > > > > here it is: Pedro de Agrela x Joana Lopes, widow, 1588, Sé. > > > > No descendants known. > > > > > > Then he married Margarida Gonçalves - they lived in Prazeres, Estreito > da > > Calheta. > > > > They had 4 children. > > > > 1- Manuel de Agrela x Maria Preta. 1617. Est. Calheta. > > 2- António de Agrela x Isabel Fernandes (sister of the above Maria > Preta.) > > 1618. Ermida dos Prazeres- > > 3- Francisco de Agrelas. x Lionor Esteves 1619, Est. Calheta. > > 4- Pedro de Agrela x Ana Rodrigues. 1620. Nossa Senhora dos Prazeres. > > > > Voilà, > > > > Cheers, > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > > > >> Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 > >> Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > >> > >> your assistance would be much appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Philip > >> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi cece I have their parents as Andre fernandes and Maria farinha (info given by Miguel some time ago in this list) Leandro On 12 Mar 2011, at 13:29, "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > These are not direct for me yet...but as I had Lancarote and Ana in my tree > I was able to fit them all in. > As I was doing so I was wondering... > > The sisters Maria Preta and Ana Fernandes - anyone know who their parents > are? > > If not...I have a good guess in Francisco Preto m Joana Fernandes- > They had son named Francisco Preto who m Ana Varela de Lira > And they had a son Manuel Dias de Lira b 1613 in Calheta and m Maria de > Abreu de Souto Maior in 1644 in Calheta. > > Let me know if I hit the ball out of the park maybe...or if it's a just foul > ball... > > Cece > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro > Henriques > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:22 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > Hi Philip, > > > here it is, this note was taken from the book FMPS, pgs 456, 457, 458. > > Pedro de Agrela is supposed to be the son of Lançarote de Agrela x Ana > Morante, > > He was baptized in Sé, 1560, Godfathers Zenóbio Accioli and Mendo Afonso de > Abreu, Godmother, the wife of Francisco Accioli (Catarina Rodrigues, dau. of > João Rodrigues Castelhano). > > > here it is: Pedro de Agrela x Joana Lopes, widow, 1588, Sé. > > No descendants known. > > > Then he married Margarida Gonçalves - they lived in Prazeres, Estreito da > Calheta. > > They had 4 children. > > 1- Manuel de Agrela x Maria Preta. 1617. Est. Calheta. > 2- António de Agrela x Isabel Fernandes (sister of the above Maria Preta.) > 1618. Ermida dos Prazeres- > 3- Francisco de Agrelas. x Lionor Esteves 1619, Est. Calheta. > 4- Pedro de Agrela x Ana Rodrigues. 1620. Nossa Senhora dos Prazeres. > > Voilà, > > Cheers, > > Miguel > > > > > > > 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > >> Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 >> Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts >> >> your assistance would be much appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> Philip >> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's what I show; Marriage record B# 1045 fl. 124. Nossa Senhora da Graca, Estreito da Calheta 9 Oct 1617 Parents Pedro de Agrella and Margarida Gonsalves Andre Fernandes and Maria Farinha Priest: Andre Noguira Witnesses: Pedro Gonsalves de Andrade, Bartolomeu de Franca de Andrade and others. Scot On 3/12/2011 5:41 AM, Leandro De Oliveira wrote: > Hi cece > > I have their parents as Andre fernandes and Maria farinha (info given by Miguel some time ago in this list) > > Leandro > > > > On 12 Mar 2011, at 13:29, "Cece Camara"<cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > >> These are not direct for me yet...but as I had Lancarote and Ana in my tree >> I was able to fit them all in. >> As I was doing so I was wondering... >> >> The sisters Maria Preta and Ana Fernandes - anyone know who their parents >> are? >> >> If not...I have a good guess in Francisco Preto m Joana Fernandes- >> They had son named Francisco Preto who m Ana Varela de Lira >> And they had a son Manuel Dias de Lira b 1613 in Calheta and m Maria de >> Abreu de Souto Maior in 1644 in Calheta. >> >> Let me know if I hit the ball out of the park maybe...or if it's a just foul >> ball... >> >> Cece >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro >> Henriques >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:22 PM >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves >> >> Hi Philip, >> >> >> here it is, this note was taken from the book FMPS, pgs 456, 457, 458. >> >> Pedro de Agrela is supposed to be the son of Lançarote de Agrela x Ana >> Morante, >> >> He was baptized in Sé, 1560, Godfathers Zenóbio Accioli and Mendo Afonso de >> Abreu, Godmother, the wife of Francisco Accioli (Catarina Rodrigues, dau. of >> João Rodrigues Castelhano). >> >> >> here it is: Pedro de Agrela x Joana Lopes, widow, 1588, Sé. >> >> No descendants known. >> >> >> Then he married Margarida Gonçalves - they lived in Prazeres, Estreito da >> Calheta. >> >> They had 4 children. >> >> 1- Manuel de Agrela x Maria Preta. 1617. Est. Calheta. >> 2- António de Agrela x Isabel Fernandes (sister of the above Maria Preta.) >> 1618. Ermida dos Prazeres- >> 3- Francisco de Agrelas. x Lionor Esteves 1619, Est. Calheta. >> 4- Pedro de Agrela x Ana Rodrigues. 1620. Nossa Senhora dos Prazeres. >> >> Voilà, >> >> Cheers, >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues<philrod51@yahoo.ca> >> >>> Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 >>> Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts >>> >>> your assistance would be much appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Philip >>> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just not "good enough"...:-) -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro Henriques Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:38 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves Hi Leandro, That's correct, Cece: It was a good guess : ) Miguel 2011/3/12 Leandro De Oliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com> > Hi cece > > I have their parents as Andre fernandes and Maria farinha (info given by > Miguel some time ago in this list) > > Leandro > > > > On 12 Mar 2011, at 13:29, "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > > > These are not direct for me yet...but as I had Lancarote and Ana in my > tree > > I was able to fit them all in. > > As I was doing so I was wondering... > > > > The sisters Maria Preta and Ana Fernandes - anyone know who their parents > > are? > > > > If not...I have a good guess in Francisco Preto m Joana Fernandes- > > They had son named Francisco Preto who m Ana Varela de Lira > > And they had a son Manuel Dias de Lira b 1613 in Calheta and m Maria de > > Abreu de Souto Maior in 1644 in Calheta. > > > > Let me know if I hit the ball out of the park maybe...or if it's a just > foul > > ball... > > > > Cece > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro > > Henriques > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:22 PM > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pedro da Agrella and Margarida Gonçalves > > > > Hi Philip, > > > > > > here it is, this note was taken from the book FMPS, pgs 456, 457, 458. > > > > Pedro de Agrela is supposed to be the son of Lançarote de Agrela x Ana > > Morante, > > > > He was baptized in Sé, 1560, Godfathers Zenóbio Accioli and Mendo Afonso > de > > Abreu, Godmother, the wife of Francisco Accioli (Catarina Rodrigues, dau. > of > > João Rodrigues Castelhano). > > > > > > here it is: Pedro de Agrela x Joana Lopes, widow, 1588, Sé. > > > > No descendants known. > > > > > > Then he married Margarida Gonçalves - they lived in Prazeres, Estreito > da > > Calheta. > > > > They had 4 children. > > > > 1- Manuel de Agrela x Maria Preta. 1617. Est. Calheta. > > 2- António de Agrela x Isabel Fernandes (sister of the above Maria > Preta.) > > 1618. Ermida dos Prazeres- > > 3- Francisco de Agrelas. x Lionor Esteves 1619, Est. Calheta. > > 4- Pedro de Agrela x Ana Rodrigues. 1620. Nossa Senhora dos Prazeres. > > > > Voilà, > > > > Cheers, > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/3/10 Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > > > >> Hello Everyone, am looking for info on the above couple married abt 1580 > >> Estreito da Calheta or thereabouts > >> > >> your assistance would be much appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Philip > >> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message