I think this passport record is pointing out the fact that Matilde Gomes Jardim is a "viuva," of Jose Gomes Jardim...if I'm reading this correctly she was a very brave lady, traveling to Brazil with her children... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Freitas" <family@railsoft.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:58:42 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim I see that you are emailing from Brazil. Here is the passport record of Jose Gomes Jardim and Matilde de Jesus Maria along with their children on going to Brasil. Petitioner Matilde Gomes Jardim Spouse José Gomes Jardim Parish/Country São Martinho-RAM Destination Brasil Year 1913 Box 183 Process Nº 97 Passport Nº 1828 Age (Petitioner) 48 Father (Petitioner) Francisco João Mother (Petitioner) Maria Augusta de Jesus Name of the Children Maria (22 anos), Matilde(16 anos), João do Espírito Santo Gomes Jardim (12 anos) e Bela (11 anos) Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: viúva. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance!

Hi Jose, I had never seen Jardim translated into a surname of Garden, though I know Jardim does mean garden...just strange to see as Garden. I've not been able to access Nesos lately, just keep getting a message that the site is for sale, what URL are you using? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:47:27 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Pat/Regina, garden is the translation of Jardim. What interests me more is the Freitas Shipping. Where did that come from? There is a branch of the Freitas Martins that is involved in shipping. They are still today. Their genealogy is available on NESOS. I do have a copy of it. José From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:25:56 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello Regina, What is this source that you mentioned in your posting.. "files of woodfound the following settlements?" Is this how the information on your mother appears, and if so what is the source for this information? "Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden," with a surname of Garden?" Pat Silva Corbera Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:59:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. D Lopes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Philip I ran into the same block with a personal cheque. I sent off 100 euro cheque for about 10 certificates which would more than adequately cover the research, copies and mailing charges, and that cheque was returned after 3 or 4 months. Janette On 26-May-11, at 1:35 PM, Philip Rodrigues wrote: > So it seems that if I send a personal cheque that is certified, it > will clear > though normal channels. I was using a bank draft in Euro and it was > drawn on > Munchen Germany not a bank in Portugal. > Maybe that's what I'll do next time. > Thanks to all who answered, I appreciate it. > > > Cheers > > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Teresa Kato <TKato@hawaii.rr.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 5:20:02 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > > When I sent my check recently it was a personal check from our Bank of > Hawaii account and I had no problem and the balance is there for my > next > order. > Teresa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > > >> Hello Philip. >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Philip Rodrigues >> <philrod51@yahoo.ca>wrote: >> >> Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with >> payment to >>> the >>> archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? >>> >> >> Up to now I didn't have any problem at all. Would say they're >> perfectly >> OK. >> I pay them with checks, send by post.. They keep an account of what I >> send, >> how much is there. etc. Perfect, Since 10 years or so. >> >> Could it be that the Spanish bank is charging some "commission."? >> >> Better send them (Arquivo) in euros. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> >>> Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in >>> payment. >>> The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always >>> send >>> more >>> and >>> they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. >>> The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said >>> that >>> the 30 >>> euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what >>> expenses they >>> mean >>> and my email to the archives remained unanswered. >>> >>> Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me >>> and I >>> owe x >>> amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I >>> have no >>> contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. >>> I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> >>> PhilipRodrigues >>> Canada >>> >>> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hope it works out for you Philip. Janette On 25-May-11, at 7:12 PM, Philip Rodrigues wrote: > Thanks Janette that is exactly what happened and it's crazy but we > have to live > with it. I am going to send the cash courier. > > > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 6:40:05 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > > Hi Philip, > > I have had a similar experience. Like you, I keep a balance at the > archive so I don't have to go through the 'waiting' for the documents > when I need them. They are very good about this, and I'm highly > appreciative that they allow me to do this. I have doing this for at > least 8 years. Last year I sent off my cheque and waited and waited > until I followed up and got the same response as you. Apparently, > their banking fees for foreign cheques are usurious. I never got a > clear explanation as to what the charges were - I emailed the > treasurer, my local bank, HSBC, which operates worldwide also tried to > follow up, all with no satisfactory end result. I got tired of > waiting. So now, I just convert dollars to euros and register mail > the cash. I think it actually works out in my favour even with the > cost of registered mail. > > Janette Chun > Vancouver, Canada > > > > > > On 25-May-11, at 9:51 AM, Philip Rodrigues wrote: > >> Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with >> payment to the >> archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? >> Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in >> payment. >> The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always >> send more and >> they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. >> The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said >> that the 30 >> euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what expenses >> they mean >> and my email to the archives remained unanswered. >> >> Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me >> and I owe x >> amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I >> have no >> contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. >> I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> >> PhilipRodrigues >> Canada >> >> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Olá José! On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:17 PM, JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>wrote: > Miguel, > things are either slow or you are too busy. now in Alentejo, can that > really happen? > hehe, Both and/or are valid, I am way too busy - prospering in the middle of the crisis , yes, sounds amazing and it amazes me! - and things are slow, though I don't think I am accountable for that , -). Hope you're fine. > Nice to hear from you. I knew you would comment on this family. > Sure. Strikes a chord. Somewhere down in the deep DNA markers there is the GJ marker and chorus and clan flags. > I too descend from a Gomes Jardim through my Fernandes Veloza line. His > name was Alferes Agostinho Gomes Jardim who married Tomázia Gomes Jardim and > whose daughter married Sebastião Martins. her name was Josefa Gomes Jardim > and they married in 1744. > Actually the GJs were a bit into the military - militia. In that time it was reserved for nobility and wealthy landowners. (info coming from Manuel Abranches de Soveral, a leading genealogist) The GJs I guess had one foot in one status and the other in the other status. They managed to have a "baron" though, and several connections with Madeiran nobility. The baron was João Severino Bettencourt Jardim (1830- 1906) (Barão de Jardim e Torre), son of José Antonio Sérvulo Jardim, morgado da Torre. In Registo bio-bilbiográfico de Madeirenses (século XIX e XX) dedicated to illustrious Madeirans- the Jardins have a relevant number of pages. Perhaps they enter the top list of families with more entries. They beat my GH, by three pages or so. (The GH have 4 pages, with several entries, my grandfather included). Of course, in the Jardins section, Alberto J. is there. But no mention to him being from the GJ lineage. And you know how meticulous, punctilious, is Clode as far as lineages are regarded. He never fails to inscribe a person in his lineage, or clan. As far as Alberto J. and lineages are concerned, Clode just refers that his mother D. Marceliana do Patrocínio Jesus Cardoso, was from the "Cardosos, de Santana." I didn't know this branch of Carodosos. Only the Cardosos, from Gaula, one of my ancestors-clans from the distant 15 th century. Any idea about them? Anyway the Calheta Gomes Jardim are the forefathers of our president? I > think you once wrote about that. > Cheers, > > José > Cheers, Miguel > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 4:45:47 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Family Gomes Jardim ( Jose Fernandes ) > > The Gomes Jardim are a well known family from Madeira. Most probably all > the > Gomes Jardim are related and descend from the first one to use that > combination of surnames. > > So the first one . the genearc of this family. was Manuel Gomes Jardim. > married around 162... to Ana Fernandes, from São Roque, > > > His most famous descendant was Miguel Gomes Jardim a rich landowner who had > servants and slaves, and instituted a "morgadio". > > The Gomes Jardim are related to several other well-known Madeiran families > like (I quote Clode) Veríismos, Rodrigues de Souto, Rodrigues Lourenços, > Almeidas, Matos Coutinhos, Marciaias, Valdavessos and Ornelas Gamboa. > > > I am descended from the first one. And also from Francisco Gomes Jardim m. > (Calheta, around 168...) with Beatriz Pereira. he most probably is > connected > to the first. But there are no records from Calheta in that period. > > You can check the title GOMES JARDIM, in Clode's book "Famóilias q > > > > > > > 2011/5/25 Regina Nobre <nobre.almeida@uol.com.br> > > > José Fernandes > > > > Freitas, é o sobrenome de minha avó materna > > Maria José Freitas - São Martinho/Funchal?Ilha da Madeira > > > > Ela era filha de João Augusto de Freitas x Victorina Augusta e Freitas > > > > João era filho de Antonio de Fretias x Ludovina Augusta > > > > Antonio era Filho de João de Freitas x Joana Joaquina > > > > João de Freitas era filho Manuel de Freitas x Ana Joaquina > > Joana Joaquina era filha de João de Freitas x Maria Teles > > > > José, ainda não tenho todos os dados em nenhum site, tudo que sei parte > de > > um documento que me enviou o Arquivo da Madeira. > > > > Grato > > Regina Nobre > > > > nobre.almeida@uol.com.br > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So it seems that if I send a personal cheque that is certified, it will clear though normal channels. I was using a bank draft in Euro and it was drawn on Munchen Germany not a bank in Portugal. Maybe that's what I'll do next time. Thanks to all who answered, I appreciate it. Cheers Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Teresa Kato <TKato@hawaii.rr.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 5:20:02 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives When I sent my check recently it was a personal check from our Bank of Hawaii account and I had no problem and the balance is there for my next order. Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > Hello Philip. > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Philip Rodrigues > <philrod51@yahoo.ca>wrote: > > Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with payment to >> the >> archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? >> > > Up to now I didn't have any problem at all. Would say they're perfectly > OK. > I pay them with checks, send by post.. They keep an account of what I > send, > how much is there. etc. Perfect, Since 10 years or so. > > Could it be that the Spanish bank is charging some "commission."? > > Better send them (Arquivo) in euros. > > Best regards, > > Miguel > > > > >> Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in >> payment. >> The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always send >> more >> and >> they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. >> The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said that >> the 30 >> euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what expenses they >> mean >> and my email to the archives remained unanswered. >> >> Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me and I >> owe x >> amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I have no >> contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. >> I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> >> PhilipRodrigues >> Canada >> >> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Philip. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca>wrote: Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with payment to > the > archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? > Up to now I didn't have any problem at all. Would say they're perfectly OK. I pay them with checks, send by post.. They keep an account of what I send, how much is there. etc. Perfect, Since 10 years or so. Could it be that the Spanish bank is charging some "commission."? Better send them (Arquivo) in euros. Best regards, Miguel > Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in > payment. > The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always send more > and > they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. > The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said that > the 30 > euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what expenses they > mean > and my email to the archives remained unanswered. > > Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me and I > owe x > amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I have no > contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. > I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? > > Thanks a lot. > > > PhilipRodrigues > Canada > > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Miguel, things are either slow or you are too busy. now in Alentejo, can that really happen? Nice to hear from you. I knew you would comment on this family. I too descend from a Gomes Jardim through my Fernandes Veloza line. His name was Alferes Agostinho Gomes Jardim who married Tomázia Gomes Jardim and whose daughter married Sebastião Martins. her name was Josefa Gomes Jardim and they married in 1744. Anyway the Calheta Gomes Jardim are the forefathers of our president? I think you once wrote about that.  Cheers,   José From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 4:45:47 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Family Gomes Jardim ( Jose Fernandes ) The Gomes Jardim are a well known family from Madeira. Most probably all the Gomes Jardim are related and descend from the first one to use that combination of surnames. So the first one . the genearc of this family.  was Manuel Gomes Jardim. married around 162... to Ana Fernandes, from São Roque, His most famous descendant was Miguel Gomes Jardim a rich landowner who had servants and slaves, and instituted a "morgadio". The Gomes Jardim are related to several other well-known Madeiran families like (I quote Clode) Veríismos, Rodrigues de Souto, Rodrigues Lourenços, Almeidas, Matos Coutinhos, Marciaias, Valdavessos and Ornelas Gamboa. I am descended from the first one. And also from Francisco Gomes Jardim m. (Calheta, around 168...) with Beatriz Pereira. he most probably is connected to the first. But there are no records from Calheta in that period. You can check the title GOMES JARDIM, in Clode's book "Famóilias q 2011/5/25 Regina Nobre <nobre.almeida@uol.com.br> > José Fernandes > > Freitas, é o sobrenome de minha avó materna > Maria José Freitas - São Martinho/Funchal?Ilha da Madeira > > Ela era filha de João Augusto de Freitas x Victorina Augusta e Freitas > > João era filho de Antonio de Fretias x Ludovina Augusta > > Antonio era Filho de João de Freitas x Joana Joaquina > > João de Freitas era filho Manuel de Freitas x  Ana Joaquina > Joana Joaquina era filha de João de Freitas x Maria Teles > > José, ainda não tenho todos os dados em nenhum site, tudo que sei parte de > um documento que me enviou o Arquivo da Madeira. > > Grato > Regina Nobre > > nobre.almeida@uol.com.br > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I sent my check recently it was a personal check from our Bank of Hawaii account and I had no problem and the balance is there for my next order. Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > Hello Philip. > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Philip Rodrigues > <philrod51@yahoo.ca>wrote: > > Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with payment to >> the >> archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? >> > > Up to now I didn't have any problem at all. Would say they're perfectly > OK. > I pay them with checks, send by post.. They keep an account of what I > send, > how much is there. etc. Perfect, Since 10 years or so. > > Could it be that the Spanish bank is charging some "commission."? > > Better send them (Arquivo) in euros. > > Best regards, > > Miguel > > > > >> Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in >> payment. >> The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always send >> more >> and >> they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. >> The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said that >> the 30 >> euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what expenses they >> mean >> and my email to the archives remained unanswered. >> >> Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me and I >> owe x >> amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I have no >> contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. >> I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> >> PhilipRodrigues >> Canada >> >> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Regina, Thank you for this additional information. I have Freitas ancestors appearing in my paternal and maternal lines...though I have yet to link these two Freitas lines. My Freitas were from the Arco daCalheta, Calheta and the Estreito daCalheta My paternal Grandmother is Maria Carolina de Freitas bapt 17 Apr 1864 Calheta, daughter of (1)Joao de Freitas e Carolina Augusta Sardinha. (1)Joao son of (2)Joao de Freitas e Maria de Jesus. (2)Joao son of (3)Joao de Freitas e Rosa Joaquina de San Jose. (3)Joao son of (4)Jose de Freitas e Isabel Maria Vitoria de Jesus (4)Jose son of (5)Antonio Jose de Freitas e Maria de Agrela (5)Antonio son of Simao de Freitas Tavares e Maria da Silva Jardim (6)Simao son of Francisco Tavares e Maria Rodrigues. My maternal Grandmother is Julia Augusta Camara Freitas daughter of Antonia Rosa de Freitas e Antonio da Camara. Antonia daughter of Francisco de Freitas e Alexandrina Rosa. Francisco son of Antonio de Freitas e Ana de Jesus. Antonio son of Francisco de Freitas e Josepha Maria da Silva. Francisco son of Manuel Freitas e Helena Rodrigues. Manuel son of Antonio de Freitas e Beatris Goncalves. Pat Silva Corbera ----- Original Message ----- From: nobre.almeida <nobre.almeida@uol.com.br> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:31:46 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 25 Pat Silva Corbera, and friend! Good afternoon The maiden name of my mother was Maria da Conceição Jardim, went to Maria da Conceição Ribeiro with marriage. My sources are a professional file search that took the wood for me. What I seek are other branches of kinship beyond that I have mentioned, as children, grandchildren, I intend to pursue this parante that may still be living in Portugal and even data from the brothers and sons of this, my maternal grandparents. Regina Nobre _________________________________________________________________ Em 25/05/2011 13:47, prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com escreveu: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

2) > You can check the title GOMES JARDIM, in Clode's book "Famílias que > Passaram à Madeira e ao Porto Santo", on line, in the "Nesos" site. pg 152. > > > > > > > > 2011/5/25 Regina Nobre <nobre.almeida@uol.com.br> > >> José Fernandes >> >> Freitas, é o sobrenome de minha avó materna >> Maria José Freitas - São Martinho/Funchal?Ilha da Madeira >> >> Ela era filha de João Augusto de Freitas x Victorina Augusta e Freitas >> >> João era filho de Antonio de Fretias x Ludovina Augusta >> >> Antonio era Filho de João de Freitas x Joana Joaquina >> >> João de Freitas era filho Manuel de Freitas x Ana Joaquina >> Joana Joaquina era filha de João de Freitas x Maria Teles >> >> José, ainda não tenho todos os dados em nenhum site, tudo que sei parte de >> um documento que me enviou o Arquivo da Madeira. >> >> Grato >> Regina Nobre >> >> nobre.almeida@uol.com.br >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

The Gomes Jardim are a well known family from Madeira. Most probably all the Gomes Jardim are related and descend from the first one to use that combination of surnames. So the first one . the genearc of this family. was Manuel Gomes Jardim. married around 162... to Ana Fernandes, from São Roque, His most famous descendant was Miguel Gomes Jardim a rich landowner who had servants and slaves, and instituted a "morgadio". The Gomes Jardim are related to several other well-known Madeiran families like (I quote Clode) Veríismos, Rodrigues de Souto, Rodrigues Lourenços, Almeidas, Matos Coutinhos, Marciaias, Valdavessos and Ornelas Gamboa. I am descended from the first one. And also from Francisco Gomes Jardim m. (Calheta, around 168...) with Beatriz Pereira. he most probably is connected to the first. But there are no records from Calheta in that period. You can check the title GOMES JARDIM, in Clode's book "Famóilias q 2011/5/25 Regina Nobre <nobre.almeida@uol.com.br> > José Fernandes > > Freitas, é o sobrenome de minha avó materna > Maria José Freitas - São Martinho/Funchal?Ilha da Madeira > > Ela era filha de João Augusto de Freitas x Victorina Augusta e Freitas > > João era filho de Antonio de Fretias x Ludovina Augusta > > Antonio era Filho de João de Freitas x Joana Joaquina > > João de Freitas era filho Manuel de Freitas x Ana Joaquina > Joana Joaquina era filha de João de Freitas x Maria Teles > > José, ainda não tenho todos os dados em nenhum site, tudo que sei parte de > um documento que me enviou o Arquivo da Madeira. > > Grato > Regina Nobre > > nobre.almeida@uol.com.br > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Janette that is exactly what happened and it's crazy but we have to live with it. I am going to send the cash courier. Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 6:40:05 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives Hi Philip, I have had a similar experience. Like you, I keep a balance at the archive so I don't have to go through the 'waiting' for the documents when I need them. They are very good about this, and I'm highly appreciative that they allow me to do this. I have doing this for at least 8 years. Last year I sent off my cheque and waited and waited until I followed up and got the same response as you. Apparently, their banking fees for foreign cheques are usurious. I never got a clear explanation as to what the charges were - I emailed the treasurer, my local bank, HSBC, which operates worldwide also tried to follow up, all with no satisfactory end result. I got tired of waiting. So now, I just convert dollars to euros and register mail the cash. I think it actually works out in my favour even with the cost of registered mail. Janette Chun Vancouver, Canada On 25-May-11, at 9:51 AM, Philip Rodrigues wrote: > Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with > payment to the > archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? > Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in > payment. > The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always > send more and > they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. > The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said > that the 30 > euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what expenses > they mean > and my email to the archives remained unanswered. > > Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me > and I owe x > amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I > have no > contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. > I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? > > Thanks a lot. > > > PhilipRodrigues > Canada > > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Regina, What is this source that you mentioned in your posting.. "files of woodfound the following settlements?" Is this how the information on your mother appears, and if so what is the source for this information? "Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden," with a surname of Garden?" Pat Silva Corbera Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:59:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. D Lopes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Philip, I have had a similar experience. Like you, I keep a balance at the archive so I don't have to go through the 'waiting' for the documents when I need them. They are very good about this, and I'm highly appreciative that they allow me to do this. I have doing this for at least 8 years. Last year I sent off my cheque and waited and waited until I followed up and got the same response as you. Apparently, their banking fees for foreign cheques are usurious. I never got a clear explanation as to what the charges were - I emailed the treasurer, my local bank, HSBC, which operates worldwide also tried to follow up, all with no satisfactory end result. I got tired of waiting. So now, I just convert dollars to euros and register mail the cash. I think it actually works out in my favour even with the cost of registered mail. Janette Chun Vancouver, Canada On 25-May-11, at 9:51 AM, Philip Rodrigues wrote: > Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with > payment to the > archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? > Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in > payment. > The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always > send more and > they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. > The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said > that the 30 > euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what expenses > they mean > and my email to the archives remained unanswered. > > Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me > and I owe x > amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I > have no > contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. > I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? > > Thanks a lot. > > > PhilipRodrigues > Canada > > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

José Fernandes Freitas, é o sobrenome de minha avó materna Maria José Freitas - São Martinho/Funchal?Ilha da Madeira Ela era filha de João Augusto de Freitas x Victorina Augusta e Freitas João era filho de Antonio de Fretias x Ludovina Augusta Antonio era Filho de João de Freitas x Joana Joaquina João de Freitas era filho Manuel de Freitas x Ana Joaquina Joana Joaquina era filha de João de Freitas x Maria Teles José, ainda não tenho todos os dados em nenhum site, tudo que sei parte de um documento que me enviou o Arquivo da Madeira. Grato Regina Nobre nobre.almeida@uol.com.br

Pat Silva Corbera, and friend! Good afternoon The maiden name of my mother was Maria da Conceição Jardim, went to Maria da Conceição Ribeiro with marriage. My sources are a professional file search that took the wood for me. What I seek are other branches of kinship beyond that I have mentioned, as children, grandchildren, I intend to pursue this parante that may still be living in Portugal and even data from the brothers and sons of this, my maternal grandparents. Regina Nobre _________________________________________________________________ Em 25/05/2011 13:47, prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com escreveu:

Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. D Lopes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 206 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

I would suggest that you go to the Madeira Archive website and obtain the documents of marriage and such. Example: I found Jose Gomes Jardim and Maria Jose de Freitas' marriage. They were married in the Parish of São Martinho in 1910 as indicated in Book 6666 A page 53. This document should have their parents and most like both grandparents listed. The archive address is http://www.arquivo-madeira.org You can read it in English by selecting English Version at the bottom. I am also sure that you will receive much information from this emailing as well. Good Luck, Tom Freitas ---- <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello, > Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: > As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: > My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 > Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus > Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus > José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin > Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin > So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? > Thanks in advance! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My gr-gr-gr grandparents were married in Machico, Madeira. Not sure if it's the same family. Joao Gomes Jardim to Francisca da Encarnacao in 1843 . I haven't ordered their marriage certificate yet, so don't know who their parents were. I got 9 records from the Archives and it took almost 2 months from the time I mailed the check from Hawaii in January until I received the records in the mail in March, but it was very well worth it. The representatives at the Madeira Archives emailed me now and then to keep me abreast of the progress. Very helpful. Aloha, Teresa Kato ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Nobre" <nobre.almeida@uol.com.br> To: <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:34 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message