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http://madeiragenealogy.com/2011/05/henry-veitch-a-descendencia-do-consul-ingles/

This is a great story. I have read some of the letters. They are well written, and unlike some marriage copies you can actually read them! What I particularly like about them is that it gives us a glimpse of life at the time. It provides us with a life triangle of Guyana, England and Australia  with Madeira at the centre. For Australia, this should be of great interest for Madeirans who settled after WWII. It is perhaps an unknown historical fact for them, that there were Madeiran families, who knew about their Madeiran origins and still had connections to Madeira in 1920's. I also give us insights into what was  then a vigorous and thriving community in the then British Guyana. Today that Madeiran community has pretty well disappeared. Its children like Philip are still around in somewhat of a double Madeiran Diaspora. The letters should be archived and anyone in the future doing research on the Madeiran Diaspora should be able to have access to them. In my opinion they are that valuable. When and if Philip posts them I would invite all list members to read them and let us know if my opinion has any value. Thank you. José Fernandes From: Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 9:59:00 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Our journey In this journey that we have embarked on, I am sure we all have moments when we hit a brick-wall and don't have the energy to continue until we can recharge our batteries. Then out of the blue we make a breakthrough in our search and we are re-energized like a re-chargeable battery and we continue our quest for the people and the events that have shaped our life. I would like to share with this list a  breakthrough that I have had in the past month. About seven years ago I placed a word document on a web site I made so that I can share stories and my genealogical finds with family at large. I have had several interesting hits on that site over the years, but none as amazing as I received in the last few weeks. I received an email from Australia from Linda, who tells me that a her children are the great grand children of Maria Rodrigues married Agostino de Freitas : re passport document below. Agostinho de Freitas    Maria de Freitas    Maria Rodrigues    Câmara de Lobos-RAM    Demerara    1888    70    58 It so happens their grandfather José de Freitas is my father's 1st 1/2 cousin and I never knew anything about this part of the family. I am sure my father knew of them but he took his secret to the grave. But the most important thing to come out of this discovery, is the emergence of some 30 letters written by my great aunt Matilde Rodrigues b 1872 São Pedro (she was a nun in Dominica, WI. )  spanning a period of  13 years in which she writes about people and events that I never had any knowledge of. José thinks the letters should be archived and I am toying with the idea of putting them on my site for all to read. my site :  http://www3.sympatico.ca/debrod/ I guess the moral of this story is that we need to use the tools available to us in this day and age in order to further our search. I would be more than happy to help anyone with a web site they might be considering. Thanks for your interest! Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Regina, dificuldades todos temos. Portanto conto connosco. De verdade a maior parte dos membros da lista são descedentes de Madeirenses, e muitos não falam o Portugues. Por outro temos pessoas como o Miguel, que vive em Portugal, que são uma fonte de conhecimento. O Arquivo da Madeira deve ser a vossa primeira ferramenta e depois vemos. Fique connosco. José Fernandes   From: Regina Nobre <nobre.almeida@uol.com.br> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:09:13 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Familia Gomes Jardim x Freitas Aos amigos Bom Dia! Primeiro as minhas desculpas, eu realmente não domino a escrita em inglês. Para socorrer-me uso um tradutor da Google. Pelo que pude perceber algumas palavras não foram bem traduzidas, ocasionando dúvidas entre os amigos, o que eu sinceramente lamento!! Mas contínuo contando com a ajuda de todos vocês, e a compreensão pelas dificuldades! Aceito sugestões de tradutores, para melhorar nossa comunicação. Ou  ainda peço permissão para postar em português, caso isso não traga  transtornos maiores a todos! Fico grata Regina Nobre. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Regina, Please do not stop trying to communicate in English. My father who came from Madeira to the USA when he was 21 years old and to the day he died at age 73, would carry on a conversation using words in Portuguese and mixed in with English. He never "mastered," the English spoken language but would read the English daily newspaper from cover to cover and then be able to tell you in Portuguese what he had just read in English. Portuguese was spoken in our home through out my life, but I never "mastered," conversational Portuguese, "kinda," like my father, except it was fewer words in Portuguese and move in English... After both of my parents were gone, and when I started to research my Madeira roots, I became rather proficient in reading the old Portuguese documents, by using a English-Portuguese dictionary, but I still to this day can not carry on a conversation in Portuguese. ;-)). You have joined a wonderful group of people that will help whether you post messages in Portuguese or English, we are all here to help you as I'm sure you will be able to help us... I do not use a translator, but I'm sure that some of our list members can suggest one that they have used... Happy to read that Denise and you have found a common ancestor linking your families. What a wonderful experience... Adeus, Patricia Julia Silva Corbera ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Nobre" <nobre.almeida@uol.com.br> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 5:09:13 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Familia Gomes Jardim x Freitas Aos amigos Bom Dia! Primeiro as minhas desculpas, eu realmente não domino a escrita em inglês. Para socorrer-me uso um tradutor da Google. Pelo que pude perceber algumas palavras não foram bem traduzidas, ocasionando dúvidas entre os amigos, o que eu sinceramente lamento!! Mas contínuo contando com a ajuda de todos vocês, e a compreensão pelas dificuldades! Aceito sugestões de tradutores, para melhorar nossa comunicação. Ou ainda peço permissão para postar em português, caso isso não traga transtornos maiores a todos! Fico grata Regina Nobre. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aos amigos Bom Dia! Primeiro as minhas desculpas, eu realmente não domino a escrita em inglês. Para socorrer-me uso um tradutor da Google. Pelo que pude perceber algumas palavras não foram bem traduzidas, ocasionando dúvidas entre os amigos, o que eu sinceramente lamento!! Mas contínuo contando com a ajuda de todos vocês, e a compreensão pelas dificuldades! Aceito sugestões de tradutores, para melhorar nossa comunicação. Ou ainda peço permissão para postar em português, caso isso não traga transtornos maiores a todos! Fico grata Regina Nobre.

Dear Regina, Please accept my apology for not being aware at the time that you may have used a translator in preparing your original message that you posted. It's very clear now that Denise pointed it out...I feel really SILLY... I know that Madeira is the Portuguese word for wood, and that Jardim is garden. It just didn't "register," with me when I first read the posting. I actually thought you had obtained your information from a new source, and I was anxious to learn what that source was. Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part... Pat Silva Corbera Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Corbera" <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 2:35:11 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hi Denise, I'm sure you are correct... she sent me a personal email written in Portuguese, that made "complete sense." Translators do not all always work...But "hats off," to individuals that try to communicate in a different language than what they are familiar with... ;-) Hope all is well with you and your family. Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denise1270@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:45:37 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hi Pat, I believe Regina was using a translator that altered the names and some of the post that as you mentioned didn't make sense. :) Prima Denise -----Original Message----- From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello Regina, What is this source that you mentioned in your posting.. "files of woodfound the following settlements?" Is this how the information on your mother appears, and if so what is the source for this information? "Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden," with a surname of Garden?" Pat Silva Corbera Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:59:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. D Lopes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Denise, I'm sure you are correct... she sent me a personal email written in Portuguese, that made "complete sense." Translators do not all always work...But "hats off," to individuals that try to communicate in a different language than what they are familiar with... ;-) Hope all is well with you and your family. Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denise1270@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:45:37 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hi Pat, I believe Regina was using a translator that altered the names and some of the post that as you mentioned didn't make sense. :) Prima Denise -----Original Message----- From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello Regina, What is this source that you mentioned in your posting.. "files of woodfound the following settlements?" Is this how the information on your mother appears, and if so what is the source for this information? "Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden," with a surname of Garden?" Pat Silva Corbera Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:59:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. D Lopes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, I believe Regina was using a translator that altered the names and some of the post that as you mentioned didn't make sense. :) Prima Denise -----Original Message----- From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello Regina, What is this source that you mentioned in your posting.. "files of woodfound the following settlements?" Is this how the information on your mother appears, and if so what is the source for this information? "Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden," with a surname of Garden?" Pat Silva Corbera Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:59:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. D Lopes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello, Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the files of woodfound the following settlements: My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x Matilde deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus married Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch of the family? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Regina, We are related. Joao Augusto de Freitas that was married to Victorina, Victorina is my second great-grandaunt. Would love to share lots of information with you. Her full name is actually Victorina Augusta de Freitas; they were married 27 May 1878. Please email me at Denise1270@aol.com to connect. Regards, Denise de Freitas D'Antona ll of St -----Original Message----- From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hello Dear Primo Miguel, Once again you have come to my aid...thank you so much... I'm off to Nesos in hopes of finding that link that will link my dad's family to nobles/royals... Hope all is well with you and Mendo and your families.. Hugs, Prima Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hi Dear Prima Pat, NESOS fortunately is still alive and kicking try this: http://nesos.madeira-edu.pt/ Best regards, Miguel On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Hi Jose, > > I had never seen Jardim translated into a surname of Garden, though I know > Jardim does mean garden...just strange to see as Garden. > > I've not been able to access Nesos lately, just keep getting a message that > the site is for sale, what URL are you using? > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:47:27 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Pat/Regina, > garden is the translation of Jardim. What interests me more is the Freitas > Shipping. Where did that come from? There is a branch of the Freitas Martins > that is involved in shipping. They are still today. Their genealogy is > available on NESOS. I do have a copy of it. > José > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:25:56 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Hello Regina, > > What is this source that you mentioned in your posting.. "files of > woodfound the following settlements?" > > Is this how the information on your mother appears, and if so what is the > source for this information? > "Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden," with a surname of Garden?" > > Pat Silva Corbera > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:59:59 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. > D Lopes > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Hello, > Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: > As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to > their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the > files of woodfound the following settlements: > My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim > xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x > Matilde > deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de > FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, > my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born > 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus > Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and > Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married > on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus > married > Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch > of > the family? > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Scot, Wonder how Donna's name/email ended up on that site page as a contact person... I do know that the people noted on that page are related to Philip and Rick Barletta. Thanks for the additional info on Donna's Madeira ancestry. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Austin" <scotaustin@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:26:36 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Our journey This is very strange. That email address was once Donna's, but I don't think she still had it in 2001. In any case, the people described in that posting are not her relatives. Three of her grandparents were born in Madeira, the fourth was from São Miguel. The Three and their trees can be accessed at: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Francisco_Gomes_%282%29 (paternal grandfather) http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Maria_Sousa_%283%29 (paternal grandmother) http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Antonio_Gomes_%282%29 (maternal grandfather) This is a free Wiki site. Anyone can register and edit or add to what is there. I encourage you all to participate especially where your families interconnect. Scot On 5/27/2011 10:53 AM, Pat Corbera wrote: > Dear Philip, > > This is a wonderful story... so often when we (researchers) hit a "Brick Wall," we often give up, but out of no where, something or someone helps to rekindle renewed interest and information... > > In viewing your webpage, on the left side of the main page you have noted information by an "unknown author," for your Gomes family...the email address on that page is that of Scot Austin's wife Donna. Scot is a member of our list group. > > Donna and her cousin Leilani (Lonnie) Spring are my 7th. cousins 1 generation removed... > > I've not looked into seeing if they link with your Gomes family, but it may be worth a try in contacting Scot (since he knows a great deal about Donna's Portuguese ancestors)for additional information on the Gomes'. > > Thank you for sharing your research finding...it's how you and I connected as well as connecting with Rick Bartletta... > > Thank You Dear Primo, > > Hugs, > Prima Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Rodrigues"<philrod51@yahoo.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 6:59:00 AM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Our journey > > In this journey that we have embarked on, I am sure we all have moments when we > hit a brick-wall and don't have the energy to continue until we can recharge our > batteries. Then out of the blue we make a breakthrough in our search and we are > re-energized like a re-chargeable battery and we continue our quest for the > people and the events that have shaped our life. > > I would like to share with this list a breakthrough that I have had in the > past month. About seven years ago I placed a word document on a web site I made > so that I can share stories and my genealogical finds with family at large. I > have had several interesting hits on that site over the years, but none as > amazing as I received in the last few weeks. > > I received an email from Australia from Linda, who tells me that a her children > are the great grand children of Maria Rodrigues married Agostino de Freitas : re > passport document below. > Agostinho de Freitas Maria de Freitas Maria Rodrigues Câmara de > Lobos-RAM Demerara 1888 70 58 > > It so happens their grandfather José de Freitas is my father's 1st 1/2 cousin > and I never knew anything about this part of the family. I am sure my father > knew of them but he took his secret to the grave. > > > But the most important thing to come out of this discovery, is the emergence of > some 30 letters written by my great aunt Matilde Rodrigues b 1872 São Pedro (she > was a nun in Dominica, WI. ) spanning a period of 13 years in which she writes > about people and events that I never had any knowledge of. > > José thinks the letters should be archived and I am toying with the idea of > putting them on my site for all to read. > my site : http://www3.sympatico.ca/debrod/ > > I guess the moral of this story is that we need to use the tools available to us > in this day and age in order to further our search. I would be more than happy > to help anyone with a web site they might be considering. > > Thanks for your interest! > > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is very strange. That email address was once Donna's, but I don't think she still had it in 2001. In any case, the people described in that posting are not her relatives. Three of her grandparents were born in Madeira, the fourth was from São Miguel. The Three and their trees can be accessed at: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Francisco_Gomes_%282%29 (paternal grandfather) http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Maria_Sousa_%283%29 (paternal grandmother) http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Antonio_Gomes_%282%29 (maternal grandfather) This is a free Wiki site. Anyone can register and edit or add to what is there. I encourage you all to participate especially where your families interconnect. Scot On 5/27/2011 10:53 AM, Pat Corbera wrote: > Dear Philip, > > This is a wonderful story... so often when we (researchers) hit a "Brick Wall," we often give up, but out of no where, something or someone helps to rekindle renewed interest and information... > > In viewing your webpage, on the left side of the main page you have noted information by an "unknown author," for your Gomes family...the email address on that page is that of Scot Austin's wife Donna. Scot is a member of our list group. > > Donna and her cousin Leilani (Lonnie) Spring are my 7th. cousins 1 generation removed... > > I've not looked into seeing if they link with your Gomes family, but it may be worth a try in contacting Scot (since he knows a great deal about Donna's Portuguese ancestors)for additional information on the Gomes'. > > Thank you for sharing your research finding...it's how you and I connected as well as connecting with Rick Bartletta... > > Thank You Dear Primo, > > Hugs, > Prima Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Rodrigues"<philrod51@yahoo.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 6:59:00 AM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Our journey > > In this journey that we have embarked on, I am sure we all have moments when we > hit a brick-wall and don't have the energy to continue until we can recharge our > batteries. Then out of the blue we make a breakthrough in our search and we are > re-energized like a re-chargeable battery and we continue our quest for the > people and the events that have shaped our life. > > I would like to share with this list a breakthrough that I have had in the > past month. About seven years ago I placed a word document on a web site I made > so that I can share stories and my genealogical finds with family at large. I > have had several interesting hits on that site over the years, but none as > amazing as I received in the last few weeks. > > I received an email from Australia from Linda, who tells me that a her children > are the great grand children of Maria Rodrigues married Agostino de Freitas : re > passport document below. > Agostinho de Freitas Maria de Freitas Maria Rodrigues Câmara de > Lobos-RAM Demerara 1888 70 58 > > It so happens their grandfather José de Freitas is my father's 1st 1/2 cousin > and I never knew anything about this part of the family. I am sure my father > knew of them but he took his secret to the grave. > > > But the most important thing to come out of this discovery, is the emergence of > some 30 letters written by my great aunt Matilde Rodrigues b 1872 São Pedro (she > was a nun in Dominica, WI. ) spanning a period of 13 years in which she writes > about people and events that I never had any knowledge of. > > José thinks the letters should be archived and I am toying with the idea of > putting them on my site for all to read. > my site : http://www3.sympatico.ca/debrod/ > > I guess the moral of this story is that we need to use the tools available to us > in this day and age in order to further our search. I would be more than happy > to help anyone with a web site they might be considering. > > Thanks for your interest! > > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well perhaps not the only option, but certainly the quickest and hassle-free. Janette On 27-May-11, at 4:42 AM, Philip Rodrigues wrote: > Wow, this means the only option we have is cash. I think the banks > in Europe > are gouging the small consumer. > Oh well. > Thanks > > > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:34:48 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > > Philip I ran into the same block with a personal cheque. I sent off > 100 euro cheque for about 10 certificates which would more than > adequately cover the research, copies and mailing charges, and that > cheque was returned after 3 or 4 months. > > Janette > On 26-May-11, at 1:35 PM, Philip Rodrigues wrote: > >> So it seems that if I send a personal cheque that is certified, it >> will clear >> though normal channels. I was using a bank draft in Euro and it was >> drawn on >> Munchen Germany not a bank in Portugal. >> Maybe that's what I'll do next time. >> Thanks to all who answered, I appreciate it. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Philip >> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Teresa Kato <TKato@hawaii.rr.com> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 5:20:02 AM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives >> >> When I sent my check recently it was a personal check from our Bank >> of >> Hawaii account and I had no problem and the balance is there for my >> next >> order. >> Teresa >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" >> <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives >> >> >>> Hello Philip. >>> >>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Philip Rodrigues >>> <philrod51@yahoo.ca>wrote: >>> >>> Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with >>> payment to >>>> the >>>> archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? >>>> >>> >>> Up to now I didn't have any problem at all. Would say they're >>> perfectly >>> OK. >>> I pay them with checks, send by post.. They keep an account of >>> what I >>> send, >>> how much is there. etc. Perfect, Since 10 years or so. >>> >>> Could it be that the Spanish bank is charging some "commission."? >>> >>> Better send them (Arquivo) in euros. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Miguel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in >>>> payment. >>>> The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always >>>> send >>>> more >>>> and >>>> they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. >>>> The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said >>>> that >>>> the 30 >>>> euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what >>>> expenses they >>>> mean >>>> and my email to the archives remained unanswered. >>>> >>>> Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me >>>> and I >>>> owe x >>>> amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I >>>> have no >>>> contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. >>>> I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> >>>> PhilipRodrigues >>>> Canada >>>> >>>> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello Dear Primo Miguel, Once again you have come to my aid...thank you so much... I'm off to Nesos in hopes of finding that link that will link my dad's family to nobles/royals... Hope all is well with you and Mendo and your families.. Hugs, Prima Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim Hi Dear Prima Pat, NESOS fortunately is still alive and kicking try this: http://nesos.madeira-edu.pt/ Best regards, Miguel On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Hi Jose, > > I had never seen Jardim translated into a surname of Garden, though I know > Jardim does mean garden...just strange to see as Garden. > > I've not been able to access Nesos lately, just keep getting a message that > the site is for sale, what URL are you using? > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:47:27 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Pat/Regina, > garden is the translation of Jardim. What interests me more is the Freitas > Shipping. Where did that come from? There is a branch of the Freitas Martins > that is involved in shipping. They are still today. Their genealogy is > available on NESOS. I do have a copy of it. > José > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:25:56 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Hello Regina, > > What is this source that you mentioned in your posting.. "files of > woodfound the following settlements?" > > Is this how the information on your mother appears, and if so what is the > source for this information? > "Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden," with a surname of Garden?" > > Pat Silva Corbera > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:59:59 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. > D Lopes > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Hello, > Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: > As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to > their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the > files of woodfound the following settlements: > My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim > xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x > Matilde > deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de > FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, > my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born > 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus > Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and > Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married > on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus > married > Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch > of > the family? > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Philip, This is a wonderful story... so often when we (researchers) hit a "Brick Wall," we often give up, but out of no where, something or someone helps to rekindle renewed interest and information... In viewing your webpage, on the left side of the main page you have noted information by an "unknown author," for your Gomes family...the email address on that page is that of Scot Austin's wife Donna. Scot is a member of our list group. Donna and her cousin Leilani (Lonnie) Spring are my 7th. cousins 1 generation removed... I've not looked into seeing if they link with your Gomes family, but it may be worth a try in contacting Scot (since he knows a great deal about Donna's Portuguese ancestors)for additional information on the Gomes'. Thank you for sharing your research finding...it's how you and I connected as well as connecting with Rick Bartletta... Thank You Dear Primo, Hugs, Prima Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 6:59:00 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Our journey In this journey that we have embarked on, I am sure we all have moments when we hit a brick-wall and don't have the energy to continue until we can recharge our batteries. Then out of the blue we make a breakthrough in our search and we are re-energized like a re-chargeable battery and we continue our quest for the people and the events that have shaped our life. I would like to share with this list a breakthrough that I have had in the past month. About seven years ago I placed a word document on a web site I made so that I can share stories and my genealogical finds with family at large. I have had several interesting hits on that site over the years, but none as amazing as I received in the last few weeks. I received an email from Australia from Linda, who tells me that a her children are the great grand children of Maria Rodrigues married Agostino de Freitas : re passport document below. Agostinho de Freitas Maria de Freitas Maria Rodrigues Câmara de Lobos-RAM Demerara 1888 70 58 It so happens their grandfather José de Freitas is my father's 1st 1/2 cousin and I never knew anything about this part of the family. I am sure my father knew of them but he took his secret to the grave. But the most important thing to come out of this discovery, is the emergence of some 30 letters written by my great aunt Matilde Rodrigues b 1872 São Pedro (she was a nun in Dominica, WI. ) spanning a period of 13 years in which she writes about people and events that I never had any knowledge of. José thinks the letters should be archived and I am toying with the idea of putting them on my site for all to read. my site : http://www3.sympatico.ca/debrod/ I guess the moral of this story is that we need to use the tools available to us in this day and age in order to further our search. I would be more than happy to help anyone with a web site they might be considering. Thanks for your interest! Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most banks whether european or otherwise are organized crime of white collar mafias - they rob our money everywhere wherever they can. they work in interconnection with each other and render our lives so complicated with their zillion of f...rules. On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca>wrote: > Wow, this means the only option we have is cash. I think the banks in > Europe > are gouging the small consumer. > Oh well. > Thanks > > > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:34:48 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > > Philip I ran into the same block with a personal cheque. I sent off > 100 euro cheque for about 10 certificates which would more than > adequately cover the research, copies and mailing charges, and that > cheque was returned after 3 or 4 months. > > Janette > On 26-May-11, at 1:35 PM, Philip Rodrigues wrote: > > > So it seems that if I send a personal cheque that is certified, it > > will clear > > though normal channels. I was using a bank draft in Euro and it was > > drawn on > > Munchen Germany not a bank in Portugal. > > Maybe that's what I'll do next time. > > Thanks to all who answered, I appreciate it. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Philip > > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Teresa Kato <TKato@hawaii.rr.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 5:20:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > > > > When I sent my check recently it was a personal check from our Bank of > > Hawaii account and I had no problem and the balance is there for my > > next > > order. > > Teresa > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > > > > > >> Hello Philip. > >> > >> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Philip Rodrigues > >> <philrod51@yahoo.ca>wrote: > >> > >> Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with > >> payment to > >>> the > >>> archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? > >>> > >> > >> Up to now I didn't have any problem at all. Would say they're > >> perfectly > >> OK. > >> I pay them with checks, send by post.. They keep an account of what I > >> send, > >> how much is there. etc. Perfect, Since 10 years or so. > >> > >> Could it be that the Spanish bank is charging some "commission."? > >> > >> Better send them (Arquivo) in euros. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in > >>> payment. > >>> The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always > >>> send > >>> more > >>> and > >>> they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. > >>> The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said > >>> that > >>> the 30 > >>> euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what > >>> expenses they > >>> mean > >>> and my email to the archives remained unanswered. > >>> > >>> Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me > >>> and I > >>> owe x > >>> amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I > >>> have no > >>> contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. > >>> I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? > >>> > >>> Thanks a lot. > >>> > >>> > >>> PhilipRodrigues > >>> Canada > >>> > >>> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In this journey that we have embarked on, I am sure we all have moments when we hit a brick-wall and don't have the energy to continue until we can recharge our batteries. Then out of the blue we make a breakthrough in our search and we are re-energized like a re-chargeable battery and we continue our quest for the people and the events that have shaped our life. I would like to share with this list a breakthrough that I have had in the past month. About seven years ago I placed a word document on a web site I made so that I can share stories and my genealogical finds with family at large. I have had several interesting hits on that site over the years, but none as amazing as I received in the last few weeks. I received an email from Australia from Linda, who tells me that a her children are the great grand children of Maria Rodrigues married Agostino de Freitas : re passport document below. Agostinho de Freitas Maria de Freitas Maria Rodrigues Câmara de Lobos-RAM Demerara 1888 70 58 It so happens their grandfather José de Freitas is my father's 1st 1/2 cousin and I never knew anything about this part of the family. I am sure my father knew of them but he took his secret to the grave. But the most important thing to come out of this discovery, is the emergence of some 30 letters written by my great aunt Matilde Rodrigues b 1872 São Pedro (she was a nun in Dominica, WI. ) spanning a period of 13 years in which she writes about people and events that I never had any knowledge of. José thinks the letters should be archived and I am toying with the idea of putting them on my site for all to read. my site : http://www3.sympatico.ca/debrod/ I guess the moral of this story is that we need to use the tools available to us in this day and age in order to further our search. I would be more than happy to help anyone with a web site they might be considering. Thanks for your interest! Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/

Wow, this means the only option we have is cash. I think the banks in Europe are gouging the small consumer. Oh well. Thanks Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:34:48 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives Philip I ran into the same block with a personal cheque. I sent off 100 euro cheque for about 10 certificates which would more than adequately cover the research, copies and mailing charges, and that cheque was returned after 3 or 4 months. Janette On 26-May-11, at 1:35 PM, Philip Rodrigues wrote: > So it seems that if I send a personal cheque that is certified, it > will clear > though normal channels. I was using a bank draft in Euro and it was > drawn on > Munchen Germany not a bank in Portugal. > Maybe that's what I'll do next time. > Thanks to all who answered, I appreciate it. > > > Cheers > > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Teresa Kato <TKato@hawaii.rr.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 5:20:02 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > > When I sent my check recently it was a personal check from our Bank of > Hawaii account and I had no problem and the balance is there for my > next > order. > Teresa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Payment to Madeira archives > > >> Hello Philip. >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Philip Rodrigues >> <philrod51@yahoo.ca>wrote: >> >> Hello list members I wonder if anyone is having a problem with >> payment to >>> the >>> archives by bank draft (bank certified check)? >>> >> >> Up to now I didn't have any problem at all. Would say they're >> perfectly >> OK. >> I pay them with checks, send by post.. They keep an account of what I >> send, >> how much is there. etc. Perfect, Since 10 years or so. >> >> Could it be that the Spanish bank is charging some "commission."? >> >> Better send them (Arquivo) in euros. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> >>> Recently I ordered some certificates and sent 30 euro bank draft in >>> payment. >>> The cost of the certificates were only about 5 euro but I always >>> send >>> more >>> and >>> they keep a credit balance in my account for future use. >>> The archives emailed me and said the Banco Bilbao and Viscaya said >>> that >>> the 30 >>> euro draft does not cover it's expenses! I don't know what >>> expenses they >>> mean >>> and my email to the archives remained unanswered. >>> >>> Now they (The archives) tell me the draft is being returned to me >>> and I >>> owe x >>> amount euro. Banco Bilbao and Viscaya is in Argentaria Spain so I >>> have no >>> contact with them since I purchased the draft at a Canadian bank. >>> I just wondered if anyone encountered a similar situation? >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> >>> PhilipRodrigues >>> Canada >>> >>> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dear Prima Pat, NESOS fortunately is still alive and kicking try this: http://nesos.madeira-edu.pt/ Best regards, Miguel On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Hi Jose, > > I had never seen Jardim translated into a surname of Garden, though I know > Jardim does mean garden...just strange to see as Garden. > > I've not been able to access Nesos lately, just keep getting a message that > the site is for sale, what URL are you using? > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:47:27 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Pat/Regina, > garden is the translation of Jardim. What interests me more is the Freitas > Shipping. Where did that come from? There is a branch of the Freitas Martins > that is involved in shipping. They are still today. Their genealogy is > available on NESOS. I do have a copy of it. > José > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:25:56 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Hello Regina, > > What is this source that you mentioned in your posting.. "files of > woodfound the following settlements?" > > Is this how the information on your mother appears, and if so what is the > source for this information? > "Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden," with a surname of Garden?" > > Pat Silva Corbera > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:59:59 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Sorry Regina, I have no knowledge of this family. > D Lopes > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Regina Nobre > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:34 AM > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Information about family Gomes Jardim > > Hello, > Seeking information on my branch of the Family Gomes Jardim: > As a few months ago I started my research to find out for my mother to > their provenance, and I'm not sure where newcomer seek, yet through the > files of woodfound the following settlements: > My mother - Maria da Conceição Ribeiro Garden Daughter of José Gomes Jardim > xMaria Jose de Freitas, he b. 01/09/1892- son of José Gomes Jardim x > Matilde > deJesus Maria - she was born in 25/04/1891 - daughter João Augusto de > FreitasShipping and Victorino, all of St. Martin - Funchal Madeira Island, > my grandparentswere married on 23/11/1910 Already José Gomes Jardim born > 25/10/1857 - son of Francisco Gomes Jardim andJoaquina Theresa of Jesus > Mathilde de Jesus Maria born in 1863 - was the daughter of John Francis and > Maria Augusta de Jesus José Gomes Jardim x Matilde de Jesus Maria, married > on 30/07/1880. St. Martin Francisco Gomes Jardim x Joaquina de Jesus > married > Theresa in 1845 St. Martin So, is all I have so far, you know this branch > of > the family? > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jose, I have Antonio Fernandes Jaques Velloza married to Isabel Jacques Abreu, this couple is my 10th Great Grandparents. Do you have them in the "Fernandes Veloza," line that you noted in your posting? Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:17:05 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Family Gomes Jardim ( Jose Fernandes ) Miguel, things are either slow or you are too busy. now in Alentejo, can that really happen? Nice to hear from you. I knew you would comment on this family. I too descend from a Gomes Jardim through my Fernandes Veloza line. His name was Alferes Agostinho Gomes Jardim who married Tomázia Gomes Jardim and whose daughter married Sebastião Martins. her name was Josefa Gomes Jardim and they married in 1744. Anyway the Calheta Gomes Jardim are the forefathers of our president? I think you once wrote about that.  Cheers,   José From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 4:45:47 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Family Gomes Jardim ( Jose Fernandes ) The Gomes Jardim are a well known family from Madeira. Most probably all the Gomes Jardim are related and descend from the first one to use that combination of surnames. So the first one . the genearc of this family.  was Manuel Gomes Jardim. married around 162... to Ana Fernandes, from São Roque, His most famous descendant was Miguel Gomes Jardim a rich landowner who had servants and slaves, and instituted a "morgadio". The Gomes Jardim are related to several other well-known Madeiran families like (I quote Clode) Veríismos, Rodrigues de Souto, Rodrigues Lourenços, Almeidas, Matos Coutinhos, Marciaias, Valdavessos and Ornelas Gamboa. I am descended from the first one. And also from Francisco Gomes Jardim m. (Calheta, around 168...) with Beatriz Pereira. he most probably is connected to the first. But there are no records from Calheta in that period. You can check the title GOMES JARDIM, in Clode's book "Famóilias q 2011/5/25 Regina Nobre <nobre.almeida@uol.com.br> > José Fernandes > > Freitas, é o sobrenome de minha avó materna > Maria José Freitas - São Martinho/Funchal?Ilha da Madeira > > Ela era filha de João Augusto de Freitas x Victorina Augusta e Freitas > > João era filho de Antonio de Fretias x Ludovina Augusta > > Antonio era Filho de João de Freitas x Joana Joaquina > > João de Freitas era filho Manuel de Freitas x  Ana Joaquina > Joana Joaquina era filha de João de Freitas x Maria Teles > > José, ainda não tenho todos os dados em nenhum site, tudo que sei parte de > um documento que me enviou o Arquivo da Madeira. > > Grato > Regina Nobre > > nobre.almeida@uol.com.br > >