We have got two issues, let's deal with the easy one first. The KEIM family. I've never heard the name in Scotland and in the time of Penn (1677) there were not that many Quakers in Scotland, and they were tremendously well recorded and researched. I would also look at England. Again Quaker resources are. I believe very good, and you should have little trouble, once you make contact with a Quaker list of getting your KIME tree together. HUTCHISONS are going to be much more difficult. The question has to be how early 1700s. Could they have been - you wish - covenanters, and therefore transported. You need to go on a Scottish List for this kind of stuff. I don't know much about it, but certainly at various times people were transported from Scotland, but it was by the English Government, (1650s or at least by order of the King. Again you have to find out about them. You are a bit vague in your wording of "Presbyterian". You have to remember that the Presbyterians have for a long time happened in a number of flavours. Remember that there are few essential Theological differences between Presbyterians. The Cumberland ones differed from the orthodox really over the question of Ministerial education (in the context of Revival). This led onto other differences, but it was originally a social problem. Again, if he was early in the Cumberland Presbyterians you need to look there for information. Work along the line that your Hutchison was transported (though not to VA, but made his way there.) I'd be looking for a transported Hutchison in a Covenanting (killing times) context. Hope that this helps Edward -----Original Message----- From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Rogers Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:14 PM To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Info. from new list admin I don't know what date they arrived here ie VA.But one family ,HUTCHISONS,seem to be in VA in the early 1700's.In 1810 a family member ,JOHN HUTCHISON,and his family left for TN. and they didn't have a PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH to worship at and eventually they became "CUMBERLAND PRESBYTERIANS". Another family PHILIP KIME/KIEM/KEIM was in PA. and migrated to then VA later NC.His son CHRISTIAN KIME/KEIM/KIEM was naturalized in VA in the 1700's.I have to wonder about this family as it seems that the first to arrive here was a JOHANNE? KEIM who arrived with WILLIAM PENN and the two of them opened the PHILADELPHIA TRADING COMPANY in PHILADELPHIA,PA and PHILLIP KIME/KEIM/KIEM was buried in a QUAKER CHURCH CEMETERY.But after that they are all PRESBYTERIANS. Those two families are the one's I am mostly interested in. Thank You,Linda --- EDWARD ANDREWS <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> wrote: > The first thing that you would have to do is to sell > us when your family left Scotland. > If they left after 1855 the chances are that they > would have been recorded in public documents, > however if it was before say 1700 you might be > pushing it depending which parish they were from. > > Came over as prisoners can be true or may not be. > It all depends when. As Scotland lost her > independence in 1707 and was not actually able to > trade officially with the English colonies before > then I don't quite understand what you mean. > > Perhpas you would clarify what you are saying and > give us dates. > Edward ANdrews > > Linda Rogers <cuppycakes@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Nice meeting you Emma.My name is Linda and I have > a > few questions. > My Presbyterian ancestors mostly came to VA. as > prisoners of the Scotland government .How would one > find out about their scottish genealogy ,homes,etc.? > > I also have a GEORGE SCHULTZ ,presbyterian, in > N.C. later Indiana and finaly OR..I know info. after > N.C. but nothing before .He was supposedly born in > N.C. ( per census) but no record of his parents > siblings etc..He married ELIZABETH KIME in IN..They > came to OR. on the "LOST WAGONTRAIN OF 1853". I know > their childrens names etc..I'm looking to find info. > on him and his parents siblings etc.. > Any help is appreciated. 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