I would also like to know this as that is a surname that is in-law to my Wilson line. I also live in Henry CO TN and am Presbyterian, but don't know a thing about this man. I wish I did and could help you. Catherine

I am looking for any info. on a James Gilleland. In 1850, he was in Henry county TN. His occupation was preacher. He may be the same James Gilleland in Polk County TN 1840 Census and Rutherford County 1820. I am only assuming Presbyterian because that seems to be the predominate religion for the Scots-Irish

Hi List, Just discovered today that my family became members of Phila's 9th Presby in Dec 1843. They remained members until about 1848 when they transferred to 4th United Presby, also known as 2nd Associate Reformed Presby. I know they changed their membership to this church as that is the church listed when they transferred to 1st Presby in Duncansville, Blair, PA. Now to the problem: I read the Session Minutes of 4th and found out that from Jan 1848 until Jan 1852 all transfers in, confirmations, membership by examination &, I presume, baptisms where recorded in a Journal - not in the Session Minutes. I gathered this Journal was maintained by the Clerk of Session. QUESTION: Does anybody have any idea where this Journal may be found? Thanks so much, Carolyn (TX, USA)

I am looking for the records of the 6th Presbyterian Church and Burying Ground, Queens St.,Philadelphia. I have ancestors buried in Woodlands Cemetery and in one grave marked"Our Children" 4-1851, the notation says, moved from 6th Presby. Grounds, Queens St. In talking with the director at Woodlands, she said the Church bought lots in Woodlands when the Church and Burying Grounds were moved. When was that? 1851? I specifically want to know the names of the children and when they died. I contacted the Presbyterian Historical Society in Philadelphia. They wrote back saying they didn't do research. I just wanted them to tell me where I could find those Church and Burying Ground records and I would do the research. The children were born 1830,1831, 1838,1840, 1842, 1847,1849, but I don't know which children are in that grave. Woodlands had no additional information. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated Jan in FL.

I am looking for the records of Rev. Francis Bowman.. He was a Presbyterian Minister in Charlottesville, Albemarle Co. VA. at the South Plains Presby. Church. He married Charles Brigham and Mary Jane Day, Sept. 19, 1829. At some point he moved to Georgia. Specifically trying to find proof that Mary Jane Day was the daughter of Charles Day and Susannah Threlkeld Day. According to the Albemarle County Marriage Register Rev. Bowman married them. I'm also looking for the baptism records hoping to find the connection listed there. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Jan in FL.

Mine left Londonderry in 1729

There is an error in this piece for 1735 read 1635 and a lot happened in those 100 years. Edward -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-culture-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-culture-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edward Andrews Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:34 PM To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com; Scotch-irish-culture@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOTCH-IRISH-CULTURE] [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: Hestudies theScots-Irishplace in... I am sending this reply to Scotch-Irish-culture which is the list which should really be discussing this question. With the Test Acts there was no try about it. The Anglicans were the official Church, though interestingly enough there was a payment to the Presbyterians from the Crown called the Regium Donum which dated from 1672. The acts against Presbyterians in Ireland merely mirrored the acts against them in England. To understand the reason for these attitudes it is necessary to grasp the terrible events of the 17th Century, where the monarchy had a very difficult time because to the behaviour of religious dissidents. The identification of the Puritans with non conformity and therefore the Parliamentary forces may not have been totally accurate, but is was close enough at the time. While it is a bit of an over simplification to say that there was no population movement from Scotland to England prior to 1707, it was rather unusual. Scotland and England were independent countries up to that time, and there was not free trade between them. There was an indigenous English Presbyterianism, and if was only after the eventual influx of Scots into England post 1707 that the nature of this Presbyterianism changed. It should be noted that when Irish Presbyterians returned to Scotland about 1735 (and settled in Irvine) they brought with them a number of English ideas which were different to the settled teachings of the Church of Scotland. It is this mixture of English Presbyterian ideas and Scottish ones which results in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland having its own individual positions on a number of topics. It is important to remember that the main reason for the movement of the pioneers to America was not a search for religious freedom, but very strong economic reasons. By the classic time of removal form Ireland to America, the 18th Century, the leases of the farms which the migrants from Scotland (and England) were falling in and because of the Ulster custom they got compensation for their work. They were therefore able to go to America with capital in their pocket to start again. This it was that the Scots Irish in America were often people of substance. None of this is to denigrate the place of religion in the life of the community, but that religion was so complex in its development. Those of us who stayed, stayed because we saw different opportunities, or didn't have the drive or whatever. Our staying however, means that there is a slightly different view of what actually happened from a people who have their own myths about our history. Edward Andrews -----Original Message----- From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PasTenz@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:57 PM To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: He studies theScots-Irishplace in... Hi Celia -- Leyburn's book doesn't go into any migrations to England. But it is an excellent background on why Presbyterian lowland Scots left Scotland for Ireland, and then Ireland for the colonies following laws that limited wool exports,along with droughts, diseases, rack renting -- and the Test Acts of 1704 and 1705 that tried to make the Anglican Church the "official" church in Ireland, withholding recognition of other Protestant faiths. They included such outrages as requiring anyone who served in military or civil offices to take communion in the Church of Ireland, and declaring that those who had previously been married within their churches were "living in fornication." Regards, Don Mullen _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-CULTURE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all of you who responded to my query about Scottish or Scots-Irish Presbyterians migrating to England in the late 17th century. You've given me plenty to think about and clearly there is still some emotion connected with those times (understandably too), as well as differing opinions on the historical imperatives that brought about migration. I shall join the Scotch-Irish list which I had previously thought was solely concerned with the Scotch-Irish who migrated to America. Thanks again Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK

I am again forwarding this to the Scotch-Irish Culture list. As the title of the classic book on the topic, "Ulster Emigration to Colonial America 1718-1775" by RJ Dickson says, the Emigration to the colonies began in earnest in 1718 - though there were some S-I in America before then for example, in 1684 the majority of the ministers of the Presbytery of Laggan were intending to emigrate "because of persecution and general poverty abounding in these parts, and on account of their straits, and no access to their ministry. After 1775 the SI were of course going to the United States, so the saga continued until the present day. Dickson - which has been republished by the Ulster Historical Foundation, is especially good in the chapter on Ports and Agents. The main ports were Londonderry (29%), Newry (19%), Portrush (7%),Larne (13%) and Belfast(32%). There is debate about ships putting in to local ports like Ballycastle. If you have a passenger record from 1751 there are almost certainly records of the ship on which they arrived. Fortunately Gott is an unusual name, and if it existed in Ireland, should be traceable. I have no idea what the exact marriage customs were, but I would think that it were unlikely that a betrothed couple would have gone to America without having the knot tied in Ireland in a family celebration. While Social mores in the 18th Century were much less prudish than in the 19th and 20th I'm sure that the Church would not have been very happy about the possible occasion for fornication. You would have much more of a chance of discovering marriage records for the time in America than in Ireland. I would be interested in the source of the tradition that they a. travelled from Ireland together and b. were married in America. Edward Andrews -----Original Message----- From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Hawthorne Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:48 AM To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: HestudiestheScots-Irishplace in... Edward-- So of those Scot-Irish who decided to go to the America's when did they leave and from which ports of departure and entry? My ancestors are of the Scotch-Irish, and from some passenger records they arrived in Londonderry, NH in 1751. Mr. George Addison and his wife Sarah (Gott) along with George's brother came. I have heard that they married in the United States. Was it a custom for the to-be groom and bride travel that far together and then marry in the United States? I cannot find any further information. Perhaps with your knowledge,you can assist me. Been trying to find this for years. Gott sounds German to me. Thanks. Rita Addison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Andrews" <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> To: <presbyterian@rootsweb.com>; <Scotch-irish-culture@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: He studiestheScots-Irishplace in... > I am sending this reply to Scotch-Irish-culture which is the list which > should really be discussing this question. > > With the Test Acts there was no try about it. The Anglicans were the > official Church, though interestingly enough there was a payment to the > Presbyterians from the Crown called the Regium Donum which dated from > 1672. > > The acts against Presbyterians in Ireland merely mirrored the acts against > them in England. To understand the reason for these attitudes it is > necessary to grasp the terrible events of the 17th Century, where the > monarchy had a very difficult time because to the behaviour of religious > dissidents. The identification of the Puritans with non conformity and > therefore the Parliamentary forces may not have been totally accurate, but > is was close enough at the time. > > While it is a bit of an over simplification to say that there was no > population movement from Scotland to England prior to 1707, it was rather > unusual. Scotland and England were independent countries up to that time, > and there was not free trade between them. There was an indigenous English > Presbyterianism, and if was only after the eventual influx of Scots into > England post 1707 that the nature of this Presbyterianism changed. It > should > be noted that when Irish Presbyterians returned to Scotland about 1735 > (and > settled in Irvine) they brought with them a number of English ideas which > were different to the settled teachings of the Church of Scotland. It is > this mixture of English Presbyterian ideas and Scottish ones which results > in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland having its own individual positions > on > a number of topics. > > It is important to remember that the main reason for the movement of the > pioneers to America was not a search for religious freedom, but very > strong > economic reasons. By the classic time of removal form Ireland to America, > the 18th Century, the leases of the farms which the migrants from Scotland > (and England) were falling in and because of the Ulster custom they got > compensation for their work. They were therefore able to go to America > with > capital in their pocket to start again. This it was that the Scots Irish > in > America were often people of substance. None of this is to denigrate the > place of religion in the life of the community, but that religion was so > complex in its development. > > Those of us who stayed, stayed because we saw different opportunities, or > didn't have the drive or whatever. Our staying however, means that there > is > a slightly different view of what actually happened from a people who have > their own myths about our history. > Edward Andrews > > > -----Original Message----- > From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PasTenz@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:57 PM > To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: He studies > theScots-Irishplace in... > > Hi Celia -- > Leyburn's book doesn't go into any migrations to England. > But it is an excellent background on why Presbyterian lowland Scots left > Scotland for Ireland, and then Ireland for the colonies following laws > that > limited > wool exports,along with droughts, diseases, rack renting -- and the Test > Acts > of 1704 and 1705 that tried to make the Anglican Church the "official" > church > in Ireland, withholding recognition of other Protestant faiths. They > included > such outrages as requiring anyone who served in military or civil offices > to > > take communion in the Church of Ireland, and declaring that those who had > previously been married within their churches were "living in > fornication." > Regards, > Don Mullen > > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is not my opinion that there was an economic push. I would refer you to the Belfast Newsletter of 6th April 1773 cited in Dickson (p97). Just because people were driven out by economic forces - famine and the land lords, does not mean that the SI had any cause to love the English regime. Edward Andrews -----Original Message----- From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PasTenz@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:47 AM To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: He studiestheScots-Irishplace in... Edward Andrews: That may be your opinion about Scots-Irish leaving Ireland for mostly for economic reasons, but it doesn't really square with most studies. However, it really is not worth arguing over at this late date. For whatever reason they left Ireland, they came to American with an intense hatred of the English, and proved it by solidly backing the Revolution. As George Washington said during the war: "If defeated eveytyhwere else, I will make my last stand for liberty among the Scotch-Irish." Regards, Don Mullen _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edward-- So of those Scot-Irish who decided to go to the America's when did they leave and from which ports of departure and entry? My ancestors are of the Scotch-Irish, and from some passenger records they arrived in Londonderry, NH in 1751. Mr. George Addison and his wife Sarah (Gott) along with George's brother came. I have heard that they married in the United States. Was it a custom for the to-be groom and bride travel that far together and then marry in the United States? I cannot find any further information. Perhaps with your knowledge,you can assist me. Been trying to find this for years. Gott sounds German to me. Thanks. Rita Addison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Andrews" <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> To: <presbyterian@rootsweb.com>; <Scotch-irish-culture@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: He studiestheScots-Irishplace in... > I am sending this reply to Scotch-Irish-culture which is the list which > should really be discussing this question. > > With the Test Acts there was no try about it. The Anglicans were the > official Church, though interestingly enough there was a payment to the > Presbyterians from the Crown called the Regium Donum which dated from > 1672. > > The acts against Presbyterians in Ireland merely mirrored the acts against > them in England. To understand the reason for these attitudes it is > necessary to grasp the terrible events of the 17th Century, where the > monarchy had a very difficult time because to the behaviour of religious > dissidents. The identification of the Puritans with non conformity and > therefore the Parliamentary forces may not have been totally accurate, but > is was close enough at the time. > > While it is a bit of an over simplification to say that there was no > population movement from Scotland to England prior to 1707, it was rather > unusual. Scotland and England were independent countries up to that time, > and there was not free trade between them. There was an indigenous English > Presbyterianism, and if was only after the eventual influx of Scots into > England post 1707 that the nature of this Presbyterianism changed. It > should > be noted that when Irish Presbyterians returned to Scotland about 1735 > (and > settled in Irvine) they brought with them a number of English ideas which > were different to the settled teachings of the Church of Scotland. It is > this mixture of English Presbyterian ideas and Scottish ones which results > in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland having its own individual positions > on > a number of topics. > > It is important to remember that the main reason for the movement of the > pioneers to America was not a search for religious freedom, but very > strong > economic reasons. By the classic time of removal form Ireland to America, > the 18th Century, the leases of the farms which the migrants from Scotland > (and England) were falling in and because of the Ulster custom they got > compensation for their work. They were therefore able to go to America > with > capital in their pocket to start again. This it was that the Scots Irish > in > America were often people of substance. None of this is to denigrate the > place of religion in the life of the community, but that religion was so > complex in its development. > > Those of us who stayed, stayed because we saw different opportunities, or > didn't have the drive or whatever. Our staying however, means that there > is > a slightly different view of what actually happened from a people who have > their own myths about our history. > Edward Andrews > > > -----Original Message----- > From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PasTenz@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:57 PM > To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: He studies > theScots-Irishplace in... > > Hi Celia -- > Leyburn's book doesn't go into any migrations to England. > But it is an excellent background on why Presbyterian lowland Scots left > Scotland for Ireland, and then Ireland for the colonies following laws > that > limited > wool exports,along with droughts, diseases, rack renting -- and the Test > Acts > of 1704 and 1705 that tried to make the Anglican Church the "official" > church > in Ireland, withholding recognition of other Protestant faiths. They > included > such outrages as requiring anyone who served in military or civil offices > to > > take communion in the Church of Ireland, and declaring that those who had > previously been married within their churches were "living in > fornication." > Regards, > Don Mullen > > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Edward Andrews: That may be your opinion about Scots-Irish leaving Ireland for mostly for economic reasons, but it doesn't really square with most studies. However, it really is not worth arguing over at this late date. For whatever reason they left Ireland, they came to American with an intense hatred of the English, and proved it by solidly backing the Revolution. As George Washington said during the war: "If defeated eveytyhwere else, I will make my last stand for liberty among the Scotch-Irish." Regards, Don Mullen

I am sending this reply to Scotch-Irish-culture which is the list which should really be discussing this question. With the Test Acts there was no try about it. The Anglicans were the official Church, though interestingly enough there was a payment to the Presbyterians from the Crown called the Regium Donum which dated from 1672. The acts against Presbyterians in Ireland merely mirrored the acts against them in England. To understand the reason for these attitudes it is necessary to grasp the terrible events of the 17th Century, where the monarchy had a very difficult time because to the behaviour of religious dissidents. The identification of the Puritans with non conformity and therefore the Parliamentary forces may not have been totally accurate, but is was close enough at the time. While it is a bit of an over simplification to say that there was no population movement from Scotland to England prior to 1707, it was rather unusual. Scotland and England were independent countries up to that time, and there was not free trade between them. There was an indigenous English Presbyterianism, and if was only after the eventual influx of Scots into England post 1707 that the nature of this Presbyterianism changed. It should be noted that when Irish Presbyterians returned to Scotland about 1735 (and settled in Irvine) they brought with them a number of English ideas which were different to the settled teachings of the Church of Scotland. It is this mixture of English Presbyterian ideas and Scottish ones which results in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland having its own individual positions on a number of topics. It is important to remember that the main reason for the movement of the pioneers to America was not a search for religious freedom, but very strong economic reasons. By the classic time of removal form Ireland to America, the 18th Century, the leases of the farms which the migrants from Scotland (and England) were falling in and because of the Ulster custom they got compensation for their work. They were therefore able to go to America with capital in their pocket to start again. This it was that the Scots Irish in America were often people of substance. None of this is to denigrate the place of religion in the life of the community, but that religion was so complex in its development. Those of us who stayed, stayed because we saw different opportunities, or didn't have the drive or whatever. Our staying however, means that there is a slightly different view of what actually happened from a people who have their own myths about our history. Edward Andrews -----Original Message----- From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PasTenz@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:57 PM To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: He studies theScots-Irishplace in... Hi Celia -- Leyburn's book doesn't go into any migrations to England. But it is an excellent background on why Presbyterian lowland Scots left Scotland for Ireland, and then Ireland for the colonies following laws that limited wool exports,along with droughts, diseases, rack renting -- and the Test Acts of 1704 and 1705 that tried to make the Anglican Church the "official" church in Ireland, withholding recognition of other Protestant faiths. They included such outrages as requiring anyone who served in military or civil offices to take communion in the Church of Ireland, and declaring that those who had previously been married within their churches were "living in fornication." Regards, Don Mullen _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Celia There are few,if any, works about folk returning to England/Scotland/Wales from Ulster. There were no requirements to register - they were back and fro almost on a daily basis between North Down and Portpatrick on the Scottish east coast. There were the usual leaps across when harvests were bad, or persecution was rife. Once the Industrial Revolution began - mid 18C, there were more people seeking work in places like Glasgow and the Clyde valley. There is some background info on my web site at www.thereformationm.info that mighthelp explain. Happy hunting. Brian.

Celia: Here's what I found in "The Book of Scots-Irish Family Names," by Robert Bell: "Milligan (also Milliken) In Ireland these names are virtually exclusive to Ulster where half are in County Antrim and most of the rest in counties Down and Derry. The names can be of Irish or Scottish origin .... In the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries Milligan was most common in northeast Ulster and in Sligo. "However, both Milligan and Milliken are also common across the Irish Sea in Galloway [Scotland], where they have been recorded sinced 1296. There they have the same Gaelic derivation and are thought to have been of Irish origin...." . .. {Athe bookmy book

Hi Celia -- Leyburn's book doesn't go into any migrations to England. But it is an excellent background on why Presbyterian lowland Scots left Scotland for Ireland, and then Ireland for the colonies following laws that limited wool exports,along with droughts, diseases, rack renting -- and the Test Acts of 1704 and 1705 that tried to make the Anglican Church the "official" church in Ireland, withholding recognition of other Protestant faiths. They included such outrages as requiring anyone who served in military or civil offices to take communion in the Church of Ireland, and declaring that those who had previously been married within their churches were "living in fornication." Regards, Don Mullen

Hi Don Thanks for this book suggestion, I shall chase it up. As it could take a while for my library to find it, or bookshop to supply it, however, can you tell me if there is any reference in it to Presbyterian Scots migrating to England, at the same time as the main migrations to northern Ireland? I have a family of MILLAGAN (or MILLIGAN, MELICAN, MILLIKIN, MINIKIN) linen drapers, with given names Andrew, David, James, Robert, Peter, Patrick, who settled in North Buckinghamshire around 1700 - they married locals named ROY, HANNEY, TOMPKINS and MACKARETH and other Scottish/Irish-sounding names turned up in the area about that time too, so it looks like this was a case of several families moving in not just a stray wandering draper meeting a local Bucks girl and settling down. It MAY have been a more general migration, even if a small one, that hasn't been documented in the same way as the bigger ones to Ireland. James MILLIGAN of Newport Pagnell, Bucks (linen draper and innholder) was a trustee for the early Independent meeting there (ie. Presbyterian without the Presbytery), and David MILLAGAN (possibly brother of James) married the widow of a GOODMAN from Leckhampstead Bucks who was described as a Presbyterian in his burial record. I know they may have come from either Ireland or Scotland but, for a number of reasons, I'm inclined to a Scottish origin, possibly Wigtown or Dumfries. And I'm also inclined to think this was a reasonably well-off family trading in linen cloth, or yarn for lace-making, with contacts in London and/or Bucks. However, it's extremely hard to find any info about people at this early date so if you, other listers, or the book you mention, can help I will be a very happy person. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PasTenz@aol.com Sent: 08 September 2006 19:18 To: PRESBYTERIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Subject: The Thinkers: He studies theScots-Irish place in... Very interesting, but I would recommend anyone interested in Scots-Irish history to read "The Scotch-Irish: A Social History," by James G. Leyburn, put out by The University of North Carolina Press at Chapel Hill. It's an excellent, unbiased introduction to why the Scots left the lowlands for Northern Ireland, the reasons why they left Ireland for America and how and why they settled in the different colonies. It's still in print can can be ordered through most major bookstores. Don Mullen/Huntington, N.Y. _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very interesting, but I would recommend anyone interested in Scots-Irish history to read "The Scotch-Irish: A Social History," by James G. Leyburn, put out by The University of North Carolina Press at Chapel Hill. It's an excellent, unbiased introduction to why the Scots left the lowlands for Northern Ireland, the reasons why they left Ireland for America and how and why they settled in the different colonies. It's still in print can can be ordered through most major bookstores. Don Mullen/Huntington, N.Y.

I may have already asked this, but I'm trying to find out who might have the records of a Synod in Montgomery, AL in 1850 to which a local church in Eutaw, Greene Co, AL send a case they were trying for a decision. I have the Session notes of the Eutaw church which go on at length about all the testimony gathered, but which has no hint as to what the testimony said. The notes say they sent everything to the Synod in Montgomery and promptly got a decision back. What I am looking for is the content of what was sent to the Synod. Would the Synod keep the testimony? Would it send the testimony back to the local church? If so, what would the local church do with it? I have tried Montreat, but the records they have are being prepared for shipment to PA. I was wondering if there might be someone who knew the history of Synods in AL so I might better ask my question when the records arrive at PA. Thanks, Alice Campbell

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