I checked the Balahullish OPR on Scotland's People and they don't begin until 1830s so Ann would not be recorded. I'd also try Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group http://www.lochaberandnorthargyllfamilyhistorygroup.org.uk/ Edward Andrews EDWARD ANDREWS <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> wrote: What you have to realise is that Glencoe is an Episcopalian area, and even though the Parish (Presbyterian) Church is called St Munda's Glencoe it is in Ballachulish. I'm sorry I need to ask you a number of questions - where did you get the Rankins being strict Presbyterians? The reason I ask is that the term Presbyterian is not a Church of Scotland term - they would use the term Auld Kirk and the Highlands didn't have much of the Original Succession. It could have been that Father Rankin worked at the Slate quarry and lived in Carnoch which is at the bottom of Glencoe (and has a brilliant restaurant where I had my Sunday lunch a month ago, having worshipped in St Munda's.) You would expect Ann to be in the OPR Birth and Baptism papers` - don't know how far back teh St Munda's records go back, if you don't find here there then either she was not Baptised - which has theological implications, or she was baptised other than in the Parish Church. The History of Presbyterianism in Scotland has been complicated by all the splits and reunions which there have been, see http://uk.geocities.com/edward.andrews@btinternet.com/chart.html If Pa Rankin came into the district he could have taken Ann home to be baptized, especially if he was not Auld Kirk. I would be trying to find out something about the records of the Ballachulish Slate Company from the Scottish List. You might find a Rankin living in Carnoch, and you might find a wee community all from the same original area. As far as Donald Campbell in Glasgow in 1835 is concerned it is a rather common name. Anything else would be helpful. Campbell is not a name I would associate with Glencoe. If the Rankins were not strict Presbyterians Mrs R could have taken young Ann over to St Mary's (Episcopalian) which have records from 1770. Hope that this helps Edward Andrews My name is Gillian Johnston, and I have just joined the list. I am trying to find out more about the Glencoe area of Argyll, Scotland. My Rankin and Campbell forebears came from there - Ann Rankin was born 20 Dec 1817 at Carnoch, Glencoe, but I have been unable to find any records of her birth on Scotlands People or elsewhere. They were strict Presbyterians, and she also married Donald Campbell, a Presbyterian, in 1835 in Glasgow. They migrated to Australia in 1854 with their children. Any information on the Church and its records in that period would be appreciated, best wishes, Gillian South Australia _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What you have to realise is that Glencoe is an Episcopalian area, and even though the Parish (Presbyterian) Church is called St Munda's Glencoe it is in Ballachulish. I'm sorry I need to ask you a number of questions - where did you get the Rankins being strict Presbyterians? The reason I ask is that the term Presbyterian is not a Church of Scotland term - they would use the term Auld Kirk and the Highlands didn't have much of the Original Succession. It could have been that Father Rankin worked at the Slate quarry and lived in Carnoch which is at the bottom of Glencoe (and has a brilliant restaurant where I had my Sunday lunch a month ago, having worshipped in St Munda's.) You would expect Ann to be in the OPR Birth and Baptism papers` - don't know how far back teh St Munda's records go back, if you don't find here there then either she was not Baptised - which has theological implications, or she was baptised other than in the Parish Church. The History of Presbyterianism in Scotland has been complicated by all the splits and reunions which there have been, see http://uk.geocities.com/edward.andrews@btinternet.com/chart.html If Pa Rankin came into the district he could have taken Ann home to be baptized, especially if he was not Auld Kirk. I would be trying to find out something about the records of the Ballachulish Slate Company from the Scottish List. You might find a Rankin living in Carnoch, and you might find a wee community all from the same original area. As far as Donald Campbell in Glasgow in 1835 is concerned it is a rather common name. Anything else would be helpful. Campbell is not a name I would associate with Glencoe. If the Rankins were not strict Presbyterians Mrs R could have taken young Ann over to St Mary's (Episcopalian) which have records from 1770. Hope that this helps Edward Andrews My name is Gillian Johnston, and I have just joined the list. I am trying to find out more about the Glencoe area of Argyll, Scotland. My Rankin and Campbell forebears came from there - Ann Rankin was born 20 Dec 1817 at Carnoch, Glencoe, but I have been unable to find any records of her birth on Scotlands People or elsewhere. They were strict Presbyterians, and she also married Donald Campbell, a Presbyterian, in 1835 in Glasgow. They migrated to Australia in 1854 with their children. Any information on the Church and its records in that period would be appreciated, best wishes, Gillian South Australia _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The first thing that you would have to do is to sell us when your family left Scotland. If they left after 1855 the chances are that they would have been recorded in public documents, however if it was before say 1700 you might be pushing it depending which parish they were from. Came over as prisoners can be true or may not be. It all depends when. As Scotland lost her independence in 1707 and was not actually able to trade officially with the English colonies before then I don't quite understand what you mean. Perhpas you would clarify what you are saying and give us dates. Edward ANdrews Linda Rogers <cuppycakes@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Nice meeting you Emma.My name is Linda and I have a few questions. My Presbyterian ancestors mostly came to VA. as prisoners of the Scotland government .How would one find out about their scottish genealogy ,homes,etc.? I also have a GEORGE SCHULTZ ,presbyterian, in N.C. later Indiana and finaly OR..I know info. after N.C. but nothing before .He was supposedly born in N.C. ( per census) but no record of his parents siblings etc..He married ELIZABETH KIME in IN..They came to OR. on the "LOST WAGONTRAIN OF 1853". I know their childrens names etc..I'm looking to find info. on him and his parents siblings etc.. Any help is appreciated. Linda --- ENC6@aol.com wrote: > Good Afternoon Everyone, > > My name is Emma Cronin and I am the new list admin > for the Presbyterian mail > list. > > My interest in the Presbyterian church history > stems from my Carnahan > family. Rev. John Carnahan is said to have > preached the first sermon in the > Territory of Arkansas about 1812. He was active in > the Cumberland Presbyterian > Church. > > I also thought you might like a bit of an update on > the list. At the > present time there are 166 subscribers to the > Presbyterian mail list. > > I encourage all of you to post your queries and > share information. As you > find others also interested in this topic please > invite them to join the list > as well. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the > list please contact me at: > _presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com_ > (mailto:presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com) . > > > Take care and have a great week. > > Emma > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: > PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I learned via cousin that some seceders went to SOUTH AMERICA. Her family of McFaddens and Davies went from Chester District SC to Brazil and made a town there named America.Then some came back but a lot stayed. Catherine <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email

Nice meeting you Emma.My name is Linda and I have a few questions. My Presbyterian ancestors mostly came to VA. as prisoners of the Scotland government .How would one find out about their scottish genealogy ,homes,etc.? I also have a GEORGE SCHULTZ ,presbyterian, in N.C. later Indiana and finaly OR..I know info. after N.C. but nothing before .He was supposedly born in N.C. ( per census) but no record of his parents siblings etc..He married ELIZABETH KIME in IN..They came to OR. on the "LOST WAGONTRAIN OF 1853". I know their childrens names etc..I'm looking to find info. on him and his parents siblings etc.. Any help is appreciated. Linda --- ENC6@aol.com wrote: > Good Afternoon Everyone, > > My name is Emma Cronin and I am the new list admin > for the Presbyterian mail > list. > > My interest in the Presbyterian church history > stems from my Carnahan > family. Rev. John Carnahan is said to have > preached the first sermon in the > Territory of Arkansas about 1812. He was active in > the Cumberland Presbyterian > Church. > > I also thought you might like a bit of an update on > the list. At the > present time there are 166 subscribers to the > Presbyterian mail list. > > I encourage all of you to post your queries and > share information. As you > find others also interested in this topic please > invite them to join the list > as well. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the > list please contact me at: > _presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com_ > (mailto:presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com) . > > > Take care and have a great week. > > Emma > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: > PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

My relatives, who were the Gragg-Gregg family, were seceders. They left Newberry co. about 1826 with the Mccalla family and went to Georgia. I believe it was Gwinnett co. They stayed there several years then went to Maury and Lincoln co., Tn, more than likely they settled near a Presbyterian church in those areas. Frances

I am looking for a list of folks who attended Cannon Creek Presbyterian church in Newberry co., South Carolina from abt. 1780 on forward. Thanks, Frances

I AM LOOKING FOR ANY MORE INFORMAITON ON WILSON AND DAVIES MINISTERS. I descend from John Baird Davies and also Samule Blaine Wilson ( and son Samuel Blain Owen Wilson) who m Davies' daughter) and know most of their brothers , uncles and sons became Presbyterian ministers. I know SBW had brother Rev. Robert Gordon WIlson who wa Pres. of U of Ohio... I need informaiton on any others. John Baird Davies was son of Jane Jannett Barclay and John Davies, who was shot through the head with his own gun. Samuel Blaine Wilson was a son of John Wilson and Mary Wray. Catherine<BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to

> Hello, My name is Jim Hanna and I am researching my Hannah ancestors who were Seceder Presbyterians. I know that hey were part of Rev. Robert Armstrong's congregation at Massie's Creek in Cedarville, near Xenia in Greene County, Ohio in the early 1800's. Armstrong had brought a group of people from his congregations in Kentucky around 1803 because of their strong feeling against slavery in the southern and border states. My ancestors, Robert Hannah, and his future wife, Elizabeth Mooney, moved to Ohio around that time. Mooney had come from Kentucky with Armstrong I think, but I'm not sure about Robert. I think he was in Blount Co., Tennessee around 1799-1800 with a group of Seceders there, perhaps Big Springs congregation, which had no permanent pastor. If anyone has any info on any of this, i.e. Armstrong, Seceders in Tennessee or Kentucky, Mooneys in Kentucky, or the Hannahs in Tennessee or Greene Co. Ohio, etc. I would love to hear from you. Thanks, Jim Hanna

I'm looking for information on the Rev. William Calhoon, Presbyterian minister who married my 3-g-grandfather in 1797 in Albemarle Co., VA. Calhoon may have been in KY as a "missionary" before that date. Thanks, Trueman Farris. jfarris@execpc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <presbyterian-request@rootsweb.com> To: <presbyterian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: PRESBYTERIAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 > > > Please CHANGE the SUBJECT LINE and > REMOVE PREVIOUS POSTS before sending > a message to the list. > > The digest is available in two formats. The default format > is plain text. If you would like to change your format to > MIME (this will send each email message as an attachment > to the digest) contact me using the admin contact link found > at the bottom of this email. Be sure to include the name of > the list with your request. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Info. from new list admin (ENC6@aol.com) > 2. Re: Info. from new list admin (L.A. CLUGH) > 3. Re: Info. from new list admin (ENC6@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:27:42 EST > From: ENC6@aol.com > Subject: [PRESBYTERIAN] Info. from new list admin > To: Presbyterian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cf0.ae09e35.331c77ae@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Good Afternoon Everyone, > > My name is Emma Cronin and I am the new list admin for the Presbyterian > mail > list. > > My interest in the Presbyterian church history stems from my Carnahan > family. Rev. John Carnahan is said to have preached the first sermon in > the > Territory of Arkansas about 1812. He was active in the Cumberland > Presbyterian > Church. > > I also thought you might like a bit of an update on the list. At the > present time there are 166 subscribers to the Presbyterian mail list. > > I encourage all of you to post your queries and share information. As > you > find others also interested in this topic please invite them to join the > list > as well. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the list please contact me > at: > _presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com) > . > > > Take care and have a great week. > > Emma > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:33:16 -0500 > From: "L.A. CLUGH" <Clugh_LA@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Info. from new list admin > To: <presbyterian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY114-DAV149EAED5A4936AD2888F56E2850@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Greetings Emma, > I'm not researching Carnahan's, but I have worked around our county > quite a bit, through the cemeteries. > We have early ministers by that name too. I'm in Tippecanoe County, > Indiana. > You can browse this township page and find a few. > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/twp.html) > > > LA > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ENC6@aol.com> > To: <Presbyterian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:27 PM > Subject: [PRESBYTERIAN] Info. from new list admin > > >> Good Afternoon Everyone, >> >> My name is Emma Cronin and I am the new list admin for the Presbyterian >> mail >> list. >> >> My interest in the Presbyterian church history stems from my Carnahan >> family. Rev. John Carnahan is said to have preached the first sermon in >> the >> Territory of Arkansas about 1812. He was active in the Cumberland >> Presbyterian >> Church. >> >> I also thought you might like a bit of an update on the list. At the >> present time there are 166 subscribers to the Presbyterian mail list. >> >> I encourage all of you to post your queries and share information. As >> you >> find others also interested in this topic please invite them to join the >> list >> as well. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the list please contact me >> at: >> _presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com_ >> (mailto:presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com) >> . >> >> >> Take care and have a great week. >> >> Emma >> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers >> free >> email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >> http://www.aol.com. >> _____________________________ >> To contact the list admin send an email to: >> PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:34:22 EST > From: ENC6@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Info. from new list admin > To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d39.39ebde4.331ca36e@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > LA, > Thank you so much for the message and the information. I have added that > to > what I had. > > That James A. Carnahan talked about in those histories is Rev. James > Aikman > Carnahan b. in 1802 in Kentucky and d. 1879 in Dayton, Indiana. > > Thank you again, > > Emma > > In a message dated 3/4/2007 3:33:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, > Clugh_LA@msn.com writes: > > Greetings Emma, > I'm not researching Carnahan's, but I have worked around our county > quite a bit, through the cemeteries. > We have early ministers by that name too. I'm in Tippecanoe County, > Indiana. > You can browse this township page and find a few. > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/twp.html) > > > LA > > > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. 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LA, Thank you so much for the message and the information. I have added that to what I had. That James A. Carnahan talked about in those histories is Rev. James Aikman Carnahan b. in 1802 in Kentucky and d. 1879 in Dayton, Indiana. Thank you again, Emma In a message dated 3/4/2007 3:33:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, Clugh_LA@msn.com writes: Greetings Emma, I'm not researching Carnahan's, but I have worked around our county quite a bit, through the cemeteries. We have early ministers by that name too. I'm in Tippecanoe County, Indiana. You can browse this township page and find a few. (http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/twp.html) LA <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Greetings Emma, I'm not researching Carnahan's, but I have worked around our county quite a bit, through the cemeteries. We have early ministers by that name too. I'm in Tippecanoe County, Indiana. You can browse this township page and find a few. (http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/twp.html) LA ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENC6@aol.com> To: <Presbyterian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: [PRESBYTERIAN] Info. from new list admin > Good Afternoon Everyone, > > My name is Emma Cronin and I am the new list admin for the Presbyterian > mail > list. > > My interest in the Presbyterian church history stems from my Carnahan > family. Rev. John Carnahan is said to have preached the first sermon in > the > Territory of Arkansas about 1812. He was active in the Cumberland > Presbyterian > Church. > > I also thought you might like a bit of an update on the list. At the > present time there are 166 subscribers to the Presbyterian mail list. > > I encourage all of you to post your queries and share information. As > you > find others also interested in this topic please invite them to join the > list > as well. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the list please contact me > at: > _presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com) > . > > > Take care and have a great week. > > Emma > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: > PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good Afternoon Everyone, My name is Emma Cronin and I am the new list admin for the Presbyterian mail list. My interest in the Presbyterian church history stems from my Carnahan family. Rev. John Carnahan is said to have preached the first sermon in the Territory of Arkansas about 1812. He was active in the Cumberland Presbyterian Church. I also thought you might like a bit of an update on the list. At the present time there are 166 subscribers to the Presbyterian mail list. I encourage all of you to post your queries and share information. As you find others also interested in this topic please invite them to join the list as well. If you have any questions or concerns about the list please contact me at: _presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:presbyterian-admin@rootsweb.com) . Take care and have a great week. Emma <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I will be out of the office starting 12/22/2006 and will not return until 01/03/2007.

In general, would anyone know more about where to find the Presbyterian church records - where they are held and how to obtain copies of records? In particular, I'm searching for the following types of records: 1) death/burial records for Presbyterian churches in York, PA ca 1861-1865 2) birth/baptism records for Presbyterian churches in Baltimore, MD ca 1864 3) birth/baptism records for Presbyterian churches in Morrisania, NY [North New York now Bronx part of New York City] ca 1858 I don't know specific dates but these are all for the McKinney family. Thank you for any help you may have. Sincerely, Wendy Wright New Hampshire

>From Cyndis List. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ << << URL: http://www.libraryireland.com/ScotchIrishSeeds/Contents.php TITLE: Scotch and Irish Seeds in American Soil DESCRIPTION: The Early History of the Scotch and Irish Churches, and their Relations to the Presbyterian Church of America. Included are chapters on the Emigration of Scotch and Scotch-Irish to America, Foreign Ministers of the Presbyterian Church in America, Early Educational Institutions, and Patriotism of Presbyterians. The book shows the influence the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians had on the forming of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. >> >>

I am related to the Bairds in warwick, ny -----Original Message----- From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CackyCline@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:47 PM To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Presbyterian minister 1850 Gilleland Gilliland connection, all in the 1700's Reverend Alex Gilleland married a Fances Baird and had the following children: Elizabeth Mary "Polly" Adam and James Elizabeth married Rev. Robert G Wilson, brother of my Rev Samuel Blain Wilson, who (RGW) became president of the University of Ohio Pollly married James Wilson, another of the brothers and James ( Rev) married another Frances Baird (below) The children of Adam Baird , Frances married Rev James Gilleland and her sister Hannah married John Wilson, a third brother. So you see the Baird and Wilson lines are collateral to the Gillilands, and other of the Wilson sibs, girls, married Baird brothers. Is this at all clear? My family tree is kind of knotted up with intermarriages and rows of marriages between just a few families (who were not up until then kin) That happened in the next generation with children of Rev John Baird Davies...and I do not know where he got the middle name of Baird.. but it had to be before 1720. It seems all my cousins are double and triple to some degree. SOME of this may be sorted out for you in The Wilson - Baird Book by Frank Wilson. It is"printed" on tissue paper by use of carbon paper, so copies are few and fragile, however I found one in the Lincoln County Library , Lincolnton, N C, and made photociopies of y pertinent pages, but the paper is so sheer they are not very good. Catherine _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gilliland connection, all in the 1700's Reverend Alex Gilleland married a Fances Baird and had the following children: Elizabeth Mary "Polly" Adam and James Elizabeth married Rev. Robert G Wilson, brother of my Rev Samuel Blain Wilson, who (RGW) became president of the University of Ohio Pollly married James Wilson, another of the brothers and James ( Rev) married another Frances Baird (below) The children of Adam Baird , Frances married Rev James Gilleland and her sister Hannah married John Wilson, a third brother. So you see the Baird and Wilson lines are collateral to the Gillilands, and other of the Wilson sibs, girls, married Baird brothers. Is this at all clear? My family tree is kind of knotted up with intermarriages and rows of marriages between just a few families (who were not up until then kin) That happened in the next generation with children of Rev John Baird Davies...and I do not know where he got the middle name of Baird.. but it had to be before 1720. It seems all my cousins are double and triple to some degree. SOME of this may be sorted out for you in The Wilson - Baird Book by Frank Wilson. It is"printed" on tissue paper by use of carbon paper, so copies are few and fragile, however I found one in the Lincoln County Library , Lincolnton, N C, and made photociopies of y pertinent pages, but the paper is so sheer they are not very good. Catherine

You have my sympathy on trying to keep everyone straight. My James Gilleland born abt. 1812 Tn.married Sarah and his father also James Gilleland born VA abt. 1775 Married to Nancy (poss. a second marriage) there is a huge age difference. It sounds like you might be related to the Ohio James Gilleland I have come across. He was in the Hamilton/Oxford area. Do you have any connections to VA? Julie Gilliland Liu - <gamgllc@earthlink.net> wrote: I am related to the Bairds in warwick, ny -----Original Message----- From: presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:presbyterian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CackyCline@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:47 PM To: presbyterian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRESBYTERIAN] Presbyterian minister 1850 Gilleland Gilliland connection, all in the 1700's Reverend Alex Gilleland married a Fances Baird and had the following children: Elizabeth Mary "Polly" Adam and James Elizabeth married Rev. Robert G Wilson, brother of my Rev Samuel Blain Wilson, who (RGW) became president of the University of Ohio Pollly married James Wilson, another of the brothers and James ( Rev) married another Frances Baird (below) The children of Adam Baird , Frances married Rev James Gilleland and her sister Hannah married John Wilson, a third brother. So you see the Baird and Wilson lines are collateral to the Gillilands, and other of the Wilson sibs, girls, married Baird brothers. Is this at all clear? My family tree is kind of knotted up with intermarriages and rows of marriages between just a few families (who were not up until then kin) That happened in the next generation with children of Rev John Baird Davies...and I do not know where he got the middle name of Baird.. but it had to be before 1720. It seems all my cousins are double and triple to some degree. SOME of this may be sorted out for you in The Wilson - Baird Book by Frank Wilson. It is"printed" on tissue paper by use of carbon paper, so copies are few and fragile, however I found one in the Lincoln County Library , Lincolnton, N C, and made photociopies of y pertinent pages, but the paper is so sheer they are not very good. Catherine _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Catherine, Who is your in-law with the same sur name? Where were they and when? As near as I can tell mine moved from TN 1850 census to MO 1870census. There may have been some older children that were of age when they moved who would have stayed behind. They had a John he was 21 in the 1850 census, Samuel G. age 14, Mary 11, Tabitha age 9 and Emmantha 1yr. that do not appear in the 1870 census in Mo. They obviously either grew up or succumbed to an illness. Are any of these the one who married into your Wilson line? They always say explore the lateral lines too. thanks Julie Gilliland Liu CackyCline@aol.com wrote: I would also like to know this as that is a surname that is in-law to my Wilson line. I also live in Henry CO TN and am Presbyterian, but don't know a thing about this man. I wish I did and could help you. Catherine _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: PRESBYTERIAN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRESBYTERIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message