Major Change in Interpretation of the DNA Result for Group 28 Relative to the Main Grouping of US Penningtons. Some Group 28 members felt that the DNA result for Group 28 meant this group was close enough to be included in the largest group of US Penningtons and up till now I have been a bit rigid in my interpretation of Group 28s result by excluding them from the main grouping. In making this determination I was following the early advice of FTDNA and the experts on the DNA-Genealogy list at rootsweb. A couple of months ago I started to have a crisis of confidence about the 3 step mutation which Group 28 has in the marker 385a and the one step difference in 385b. I corresponded with a statistician who has an interest in DNA and genealogy and the general consensus was that Group 28 was indeed very distant from our groups 4,5,7,14,16,30,31 and 32. However just recently a number of prominent experts lead by Professor deKnijff of the University of Leiden in Holland have stated that they do not trust 385a and 385b! and that these markers are unreliable for DEEP pedigree analysis. This means whether people are related a long time ago. They think that these markers are not well behaved and may show mutations in an unpredictable way! One theory is that some regions of our DNA are bound to proteins that protect that sequence. Other regions are not protein bound and so are more susceptible to insertions or deletions of a repeat sequence known as "mutations". Anyway they suggest now, all of a sudden, that (where these markers show differences) we should ignore them. This now brings Group 28 into the fold with the other US Pennington groups! This means that the latest articles published on the DNA of Penningtons in the Pedigrees up to now are incorrect when they discuss Group 28 but the errors will be corrected in the next edition. One caveat. I still think that Group 28 is the most distant of the groups of cousins and the common ancestor is unlikely to be found after Penningtons came to the colonies! There is still a real possibility that the common ancestor is before the surname Pennington was adopted! The math gives us an estimate that the common ancestor lived at any time between 200 and 2800 years ago with the most likely time being about 1500 years ago. Still, I have changed the background color on our table of results to be found on the web to gold to signify that Group 28 is part of the larger family, but I have marked the Group 28 values of 385a and 385b in red as a warning. Nick Penington.

Burma, Thank you kindly...I have to give a great deal of credit for the info in my article to Rosalie Graham and Pat Reid. They did a great deal to untangle that Micajah/Marriage mess! It is amazing what can be done when people work together! Carmen PRA Associate Research Director - JFMF www.penningtonresearch.org PRA Group 7 Family Group Leader http://carmenj.my100megs.com/PenningtonPage/PRAGroup7.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Received Pedigrees Got mine - wonderful job guys. Really enjoyed Gene and Carmen stuff of course!!!! Sincerely, Burma L. Wilkins Group 7 ==== PRA Mailing List ==== ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== To learn about the PRA Family Groups, visit the PRA Web Site at http://www.penningtonresearch.org

Barbara W. Pennington, Group 4 Membership Chair Pennington Research Association, Inc ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: Re: PEDIGREES > Barnie, > > I haven't received a pedigree yet, but I've only belonged to this group for > about a month now. Maybe that is the reason? > > Thank you. > > Ruth Klein > > > ==== PRA Mailing List ==== > ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > For more information about the PRA DNA Study, visit our Web Site at > http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > >

Got mine - wonderful job guys. Really enjoyed Gene and Carmen stuff of course!!!! Sincerely, Burma L. Wilkins Group 7

I did not receive my copy. Marilyn Freeland

Barrie, My copy of the Pennington Pedigrees arrived a while ago and in fine shape. I sat down right away and read it from cover to cover. Wow! I was surprised to see my name on page 77, at the bottom under "children" of Sir Edward Pennington. Then I checked the birth date and ho, ho, ho, I was not born on 27 Mar 1872, but my name is Georgia Ann Pennington Sligar and my father's name is Nelson Alexander Pennington not Sir Edward. teehee! This copy is so well done. Thank you one and all. I loved the pictures of the summer reunion that I was unable to attend. Made me feel close to my Pennington cousins. Georgia Ann Pennington Sligar in Vancouver, Wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale & Barrie Petty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 3:09 AM Subject: PEDIGREES > Just checking to see if the members are receiving their Pennington Pedigrees? > > They were mailed from the printer in New Hampshire on Friday, November 21, 2003. > > Post on the list here if you have gotten yours. If you have not received yours yet, please let me know also. > > Barrie Pennington Petty - Group 16 > PRA Family Group 1 Leader > > Pennington Pedigrees Editor > > > > ==== PRA Mailing List ==== > ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > PRA publications are available at the PRA Web Site at > http://www.penningtonresearch.org >

Hi Gang, Barrie I received my Pedigree and what a wonderful job you have done putting it together and HATS OFF ! ! to the volunteers that contributed to this issue. Thanks very much to Don Salyards and Dr. Chuck Pennington for sharing the pictures from the reunion both in the Pedigree and on the website. San Francisco is beautiful looking at the pictures taken by Dr. Chuck, great job ! The quality of printing is much better using the new printing company that our late Vice President, Rod Swanson found for us. We have 22 new members listed . Some from Family Group 18, 30, 10, 1, 4, 23, 6, 8, 26, and possibly 16. There are a few without homes in the PRA and all of us need to see what we can do to get a roof over their head. I was particularly interested in the new member Tim Pinnington in Houston. That is the first time I've heard about the Frenchman, Richard de Pynyngton. There has to be some interesting stuff on his finding although he was skeptical about the source. Gene, Nick and your helpers - an excellent job on your theory for Family Grp. 7. This is a prime example of how the use of the DNA Study and traditional research compliment each other resulting in a more solid foundation for your family history. It's just outstanding. Carmen - Grp 7, an important lesson for all of us. Not to assume. Through your persistence - you were able to make sense of it all. I have to say , you were blessed with a wonderful first name to research - Micajah. At least it was not a John or William - a plenty as Grp. 9 has!! Shirley, Grp 11, a great idea to break up your large family file between the two Pedigree volumes. There is alot of information and very well sourced. I'm sure your other group members are very appreciative of the work you have done. Loved the "Tidbits from Shirley", that is great. You never know, one of the members could make a connection thru this information. Here's wishing that all of you have a Joyous and Safe Holiday Season. Merry Christmas to All. Rene'e Davis, CFO ARD, Family Groups PRA - Group 9 Pennington Research Association, Inc. www.penningtonresearch.org

Thanks! I got mine last week. Gene: Spell checkers don't check grammar--too bad! Ha! Ida Belle Malewski __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Received mine. Thanks for following up. Janice Goble Caloia Dale & Barrie Petty wrote: > > Just checking to see if the members are receiving their Pennington Pedigrees? > > They were mailed from the printer in New Hampshire on Friday, November 21, 2003. > > Post on the list here if you have gotten yours. If you have not received yours yet, please let me know also. > > Barrie Pennington Petty - Group 16 > PRA Family Group 1 Leader > > Pennington Pedigrees Editor > > ==== PRA Mailing List ==== > ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > PRA publications are available at the PRA Web Site at > http://www.penningtonresearch.org

I haven't got mine yet, but if you sent it to my summer address at Basalt, ID, I probably won't get it very soon, if an when it's forwarded to Quartzsite, AZ. DoraLee Hatley On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:09:20 -0700 "Dale & Barrie Petty" <[email protected]> writes: > Just checking to see if the members are receiving their Pennington > Pedigrees? > > They were mailed from the printer in New Hampshire on Friday, > November 21, 2003. > > Post on the list here if you have gotten yours. If you have not > received yours yet, please let me know also. > > Barrie Pennington Petty - Group 16 > PRA Family Group 1 Leader > > Pennington Pedigrees Editor > > > > ==== PRA Mailing List ==== > ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > PRA publications are available at the PRA Web Site at > http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > >

Got mine. Tom Williams in Auburn, AL In a message dated 12/13/2003 4:01:03 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:09:20 -0700 From: "Dale & Barrie Petty" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: PEDIGREES Just checking to see if the members are receiving their Pennington Pedigrees? They were mailed from the printer in New Hampshire on Friday, November 21, 2003. Post on the list here if you have gotten yours. If you have not received yours yet, please let me know also. Barrie Pennington Petty - Group 16 PRA Family Group 1 Leader Pennington Pedigrees Editor

Got mine some time back; always look forward to receiving it. Ben Pennington

Barnie, I haven't received a pedigree yet, but I've only belonged to this group for about a month now. Maybe that is the reason? Thank you. Ruth Klein

Marie P. Humes-Mobile, Al. Recieved mine last week. Good job-just wish it was a bit larger print. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale & Barrie Petty <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:09 PM Subject: PEDIGREES > Just checking to see if the members are receiving their Pennington Pedigrees? > > They were mailed from the printer in New Hampshire on Friday, November 21, 2003. > > Post on the list here if you have gotten yours. If you have not received yours yet, please let me know also. > > Barrie Pennington Petty - Group 16 > PRA Family Group 1 Leader > > Pennington Pedigrees Editor > > > > ==== PRA Mailing List ==== > ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > PRA publications are available at the PRA Web Site at > http://www.penningtonresearch.org

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Pedigrees received Al Matthews

I have received my Pedigreee. Evelyn Ferguson

Received mine here in Kettering, Ohio. A good job again! Flo Warner Dale & Barrie Petty <[email protected]> wrote: Just checking to see if the members are receiving their Pennington Pedigrees? They were mailed from the printer in New Hampshire on Friday, November 21, 2003. Post on the list here if you have gotten yours. If you have not received yours yet, please let me know also. Barrie Pennington Petty - Group 16 PRA Family Group 1 Leader Pennington Pedigrees Editor ==== PRA Mailing List ==== ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== PRA publications are available at the PRA Web Site at http://www.penningtonresearch.org

I received my Pennington Pedigrees. Nell Truit in Florida

I got mine also. Great job....yet again! Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale & Barrie Petty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:09 PM Subject: PEDIGREES > Just checking to see if the members are receiving their Pennington Pedigrees? > > They were mailed from the printer in New Hampshire on Friday, November 21, 2003. > > Post on the list here if you have gotten yours. If you have not received yours yet, please let me know also. > > Barrie Pennington Petty - Group 16 > PRA Family Group 1 Leader > > Pennington Pedigrees Editor > > > > ==== PRA Mailing List ==== > ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > PRA publications are available at the PRA Web Site at > http://www.penningtonresearch.org >