Hello Carmen. I also am putting the new membership dues in the mail Friday. I am so happy with this group they are so responsive to everyone. Sincerely, Burma L. Wilkins "Carmen M. Johnson" <[email protected]> 01/27/2004 10:22 PM Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject JFMF Access - Invites I have sent an email to everyone that I have on my list who is current with their dues. As everyone replies to me, I will add you as quickly as I can. Please remember that I won't be able to do this at work - so be patient. If you have already received an invitation because you are a family group leader or officer, please just ignore the invite. Carmen Assistant Research Director - JFMF www.penningtonresearch.org PRA Family Group 7 Leader http://carmenj.my100megs.com/PenningtonPage/PRAGroup7.htm ==== PRA Mailing List ==== ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== To learn about the PRA Family Groups, visit the PRA Web Site at http://www.penningtonresearch.org

The PRA website has been updated. Go to --> http://www.penningtonresearch.org/news/news.htm to learn more about these recent events. - New Website to Access JFMF is Now Open! Gene Pennington (Group 7) Vice President Research Director Pennington Research Association, Inc. www.PenningtonResearch.org

I have sent an email to everyone that I have on my list who is current with their dues. As everyone replies to me, I will add you as quickly as I can. Please remember that I won't be able to do this at work - so be patient. If you have already received an invitation because you are a family group leader or officer, please just ignore the invite. Carmen Assistant Research Director - JFMF www.penningtonresearch.org PRA Family Group 7 Leader http://carmenj.my100megs.com/PenningtonPage/PRAGroup7.htm

Cheryl, I thought I might make mention that many of us have spent a great deal of time researching the female lines of the family. To be honest, it is only in the last few years that information has become readily accessible. I have had more success researching the female lines in the family (Micajah Pennington's descendants) because there was a pretty good foundation to start from. I wish that I could be tested for the DNA - but my last Pennington ancestor with the last name of Pennington was my gggreat grandmother. I personally have spent untold hours researching Group 7 - and I know that many of the group leaders have done the same with their groups. My best suggestion is for you to do exactly what you are doing. Share your information, encourage participation, and keep digging. I don't believe that the JFMF is the end all for Pennington research nor the DNA study. They are merely helpful clues for us to use. Carmen Assistant Research Director - JFMF www.penningtonresearch.org PRA Family Group 7 Leader http://carmenj.my100megs.com/PenningtonPage/PRAGroup7.htm -----Original Message----- From: Spaulding [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The "new genealogy" bumper sticker Nicholas and Paul, Gentlemen, The question is not that there is any misrepresentation of what DNA studies are capable of doing. I believe we all know and accept that it is presently only possible to track the male DNA in a meaningful way. The science itself, is not the issue. The real question is what does all this DNA study mean to genealogy? And further what does that mean to group genealogical efforts like PRA? PRA is certainly not unique in pursuing DNA studies, but it is perhaps unique to my experience in spending a significant amount of time and energy on the DNA aspects of genealogy. The esteemed background of two of the 25 some odd Group leaders makes it more understandable why it is so particularly important to PRA. I do belong to another Surname group that has a large DNA studiy, by the way. I have been a member of PRA for only a short time. There is a line from "A Christmas Carol," that comes immediately to mind...."you're devilishly hard to have a conversation with." Here is a small, but concrete example of what I am talking about. This is the copy from the Home Page of PRA on the revolving banner, which is your primary invitation to those who come to your page, "Potentially find out which Family Group you are connected to using your DNA! Click on DNA Study button below." This is hardly an invitation to females to do research in PRA, since we obviously cannot take part in these studies. Ad to this the fact that no PRA member has access to any information and you have left females researchers out in the cold. Whether you intended to or not is frankly irrelevant, you have. Having heard from several female members of PRA, I can assure you that I am not alone in feeling there has been less effort put forth on our lines than on those that can be documented male DNA lines. The very good news is that once the PRA opens up the data files to everyone, we can all share what only a privileged few can use right now. That may help us. Let us hope so. That file was going to be opened on January 15th now that I think about it. I haven't seen an announcement that it took place yet. Do you know when it will actually happen? Cheryl Spaulding At 11:11 AM 01/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Cheryl, > >As a Group Leader in the PRA and as a Ph.D. in the biological sciences >(Marine Biology / Aquatic Toxicology), I too, agree with the comments by >Nick. There is no intentional effort to exclude women from the DNA study; >it is purely an issue of our current scientific state of knowledge >regarding DNA. I would also be delighted to discuss this with you or your >daughter at anytime. Nick is 100%, scientifically correct in what he is >saying. According to our present state of knowledge of DNA, the DNA on >the Y-chromosome (the Y is unfortunately only found in men) affords us the >best (and perhaps the only) opportunity to study our genealogy using >DNA. As Nick pointed out, there are other sources of DNA within each of >our cells, but they are not suitable for these types of studies for a >variety of reasons which, also, I would be glad to discuss with you in >more detail. > >Believe me, if there was a way for us to use DNA from women in >genealogical studies, a great deal of questions could be answered in my >group. and I would embrace that effort wholeheartedly. > >My sincerest regards, > >Paul L. Pennington, Ph.D. >Research Marine Biologist >National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration >National Ocean Service >Center for Coastal Environmental Health and Biomolecular Research >Charleston, SC > >Group Leader for Group 6 >Pennington Research Association > > > >============================================================ >From: "Gene Pennington" <[email protected]> >Date: 2004/01/27 Tue AM 10:26:05 EST >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: The "new genealogy" bumper sticker > >Posted by Gene Pennington at request of Nick Penington who has an e-mail >problem and cannot send messages from his home computer at this time. > >====================================================== > >Cheryl, > >I am sorry if you got the impression that I or anyone in the PRA is not >interested in tracing female lines but this is certainly untrue. It is just >more difficult than male lines as you know. My comments seem to have been >misunderstood since they referred to the use of DNA in tracing female lines. >I traced all lines for my wife back to 1720 in Europe !! > >Re what your daughter said: When suggesting that someone is not in command >of the facts it is customary to point out where they are incorrect. > >I have a Ph.D. in medical science and work with DNA. I would gladly compare >my knowledge of the use of DNA in genealogy with anyone, short of someone >who uses molecular population genetics for a living! > >Nicholas J. Penington Associate Professor of Physiology and Pharmacology, >State University of New York. > > > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== >Learn what's new at the PRA. To learn more, go to --> >http://www.penningtonresearch.org and click on the "News" link on the left >side of the page. > >============================================================ > > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== >To sign up to use the archive features, go to --> >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and follow the instructions. >Pennington Research Association Web Site >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. ==== PRA Mailing List ==== ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== To submit a query, go to www.penningtonresearch.org and click on "Submit Query" button.

Dear all, Group 11 is now made up of mostly female line Penningtons. There are just a few known males left in the line. We research vigorously and are proud to have our one male sample in the DNA study. Hopefully, that will take us somewhere further eventually. Meanwhile, group 11 continues our traditional research methods as most of the other groups do. We all do what we can. Thank you Nick for your tireless explanations of the DNA study. Shirley Erickson Group 11 leader ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spaulding" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: Re: The "new genealogy" bumper sticker > Nicholas and Paul, > > Gentlemen, > > The question is not that there is any misrepresentation of what DNA studies > are capable of doing. I believe we all know and accept that it is > presently only possible to track the male DNA in a meaningful way. The > science itself, is not the issue. The real question is what does all this > DNA study mean to genealogy? And further what does that mean to group > genealogical efforts like PRA? PRA is certainly not unique in pursuing DNA > studies, but it is perhaps unique to my experience in spending a > significant amount of time and energy on the DNA aspects of genealogy. The > esteemed background of two of the 25 some odd Group leaders makes it more > understandable why it is so particularly important to PRA. I do belong to > another Surname group that has a large DNA studiy, by the way. > > I have been a member of PRA for only a short time. There is a line from "A > Christmas Carol," that comes immediately to mind...."you're devilishly hard > to have a conversation with." Here is a small, but concrete example of > what I am talking about. This is the copy from the Home Page of PRA on the > revolving banner, which is your primary invitation to those who come to > your page, "Potentially find out which Family Group you are connected to > using your DNA! Click on DNA Study button below." This is hardly an > invitation to females to do research in PRA, since we obviously cannot take > part in these studies. Ad to this the fact that no PRA member has access > to any information and you have left females researchers out in the > cold. Whether you intended to or not is frankly irrelevant, you > have. Having heard from several female members of PRA, I can assure you > that I am not alone in feeling there has been less effort put forth on our > lines than on those that can be documented male DNA lines. > > The very good news is that once the PRA opens up the data files to > everyone, we can all share what only a privileged few can use right > now. That may help us. Let us hope so. That file was going to be opened > on January 15th now that I think about it. I haven't seen an announcement > that it took place yet. Do you know when it will actually happen? > > Cheryl Spaulding > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:11 AM 01/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Cheryl, > > > >As a Group Leader in the PRA and as a Ph.D. in the biological sciences > >(Marine Biology / Aquatic Toxicology), I too, agree with the comments by > >Nick. There is no intentional effort to exclude women from the DNA study; > >it is purely an issue of our current scientific state of knowledge > >regarding DNA. I would also be delighted to discuss this with you or your > >daughter at anytime. Nick is 100%, scientifically correct in what he is > >saying. According to our present state of knowledge of DNA, the DNA on > >the Y-chromosome (the Y is unfortunately only found in men) affords us the > >best (and perhaps the only) opportunity to study our genealogy using > >DNA. As Nick pointed out, there are other sources of DNA within each of > >our cells, but they are not suitable for these types of studies for a > >variety of reasons which, also, I would be glad to discuss with you in > >more detail. > > > >Believe me, if there was a way for us to use DNA from women in > >genealogical studies, a great deal of questions could be answered in my > >group… and I would embrace that effort wholeheartedly. > > > >My sincerest regards, > > > >Paul L. Pennington, Ph.D. > >Research Marine Biologist > >National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration > >National Ocean Service > >Center for Coastal Environmental Health and Biomolecular Research > >Charleston, SC > > > >Group Leader for Group 6 > >Pennington Research Association > > > > > > > >============================================================ > >From: "Gene Pennington" <[email protected]> > >Date: 2004/01/27 Tue AM 10:26:05 EST > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: The "new genealogy" bumper sticker > > > >Posted by Gene Pennington at request of Nick Penington who has an e-mail > >problem and cannot send messages from his home computer at this time. > > > >====================================================== > > > >Cheryl, > > > >I am sorry if you got the impression that I or anyone in the PRA is not > >interested in tracing female lines but this is certainly untrue. It is just > >more difficult than male lines as you know. My comments seem to have been > >misunderstood since they referred to the use of DNA in tracing female lines. > >I traced all lines for my wife back to 1720 in Europe !! > > > >Re what your daughter said: When suggesting that someone is not in command > >of the facts it is customary to point out where they are incorrect. > > > >I have a Ph.D. in medical science and work with DNA. I would gladly compare > >my knowledge of the use of DNA in genealogy with anyone, short of someone > >who uses molecular population genetics for a living! > > > >Nicholas J. Penington Associate Professor of Physiology and Pharmacology, > >State University of New York. > > > > > > > > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== > >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > >Learn what's new at the PRA. To learn more, go to --> > >http://www.penningtonresearch.org and click on the "News" link on the left > >side of the page. > > > >============================================================ > > > > > > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== > >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > >To sign up to use the archive features, go to --> > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and follow the instructions. > >Pennington Research Association Web Site > >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > > > > >-- > >This message has been scanned for viruses and > >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is > >believed to be clean. > > > > ==== PRA Mailing List ==== > ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > To submit a query, go to > www.penningtonresearch.org and > click on "Submit Query" button. >

Hello all. I am going to begin the process of adding the PRA Members to the My Family site. This will take me several days to do so and I will certainly do my best to get it done as quickly as possible. Please remember that I have a full time job so my best efforts will be in the evenings - pacific time! As a PRA member, you will be granted site guest membership rights. This means that you can see everything on the site but you can't add or change anything. Only the group leaders have what is called Read/Write access to their family group's file. If you have commentary or wish to add info to the site, please let Gene or I know or submit it to the PRA list. I will begin by sending an invitation email to 20 people at a time. I will include a document called Terms and Conditions. Please reply back to me that you have read the document and agree to the terms. Once you have done that, I will issue the invitation on the MyFamily site and you can begin your exploration. Please have patience with me - the spreadsheet that I am working from has 176 names on it and it will take me some time to get through them. But, I will get to you as soon as possible. Carmen Assistant Research Director - JFMF www.penningtonresearch.org PRA Family Group 7 Leader http://carmenj.my100megs.com/PenningtonPage/PRAGroup7.htm

Pennington surnamed men can get tested, then tell their daughters the results. Or, they may have their daughters tested for the Y chromosome to demonstrate the fathers' commitment to equality--and to wasting money. I am descended from a female Pennington, but I'm not going to whine about it. Science is science. Bill >>> [email protected] 01/26/04 01:30PM >>> It may be time for some rather serious thought about all this DNA studies "thing." A better statement than the one you present might be "Surnames have always been the way men keep track of their Y-chromosome patterns." The 830 surname DNA studies and 40,000 people tested you tout, do nothing whatsoever for the female descendents of any family line. I frankly am beginning to find it increasingly alarming that so much effort and money is being poured into these studies. Before you men go galloping off into the sunset, chasing your DNA, you might give some thought to what you intend to do for your daughters....not just your sons. Have the boys simply found a new "club" to which only they can belong? Cheryl Spaulding At 12:31 PM 01/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I saw this bumper sticker on someone's website and its not far off the >mark! > >The value of Y-chromosome testing in genealogy can be summed up in one >statement: > >"Surnames are really just a method of keeping track of Y-chromosome >patterns". > >With at least 830 surname DNA studies and over 40,000 people tested it is >clear that this tool works! If you are interested in this new tool in >genealogy go to www.penningtonresearch.org and click on DNA Study. > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== >To sign up to use the archive features, go to --> >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and follow the instructions. >Pennington Research Association Web Site >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. ==== PRA Mailing List ==== ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== For help with your research, go to http://www.penningtonresearch.org and click on Research Tips.

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Dear PRA: I have made a contact with a descendent of James Todd Pennington of Macoupin Co. IL, a descendent of Jonathan Penington of Somerset Co. NJ. I previously posted information about James Pennington in may last posting on New Jersey Penningtons. The following is information on the family if James. Mandy Colgan from Sarah Glover [email protected] James T. Pennington was born May 26, 1818 in Liberty Corner, Somerset County, New Jersey and died 1894 in Bunker Hill, Macoupin Co, Illinois. He was the son of Elijah and Martha Todd Pennington (as you already know). He married Cynthia Bullman on September 18, 1841 in Macoupin Co, Ill. She was born 1824 in New Jersey, and died in Bunker Hill, Macoupin Co, Ill. They had six children: 1. Elias Pennington was born in 1843 in Macoupin Co, Ill. In 1906, Elias was living in Lakewood, New Mexico. 2. Ellen Idell Pennington was born January 9, 1844, Bunker Hill, Macoupin Co, Ill, and died July 3, 1923 LaRue, Henderson Co, Texas. She married Anthony Gholson Ament, December 25, 1864, Macoupin Co, Ill. He was born January 26, 1836 in Columbia, Maury Co, Tennessee and died January 1, 1919 Lufkin, Angelina Co, Texas. He is the son of Thomas Wilkerson and Malinda N. Gholson Ament. They are both buried in Morrison Chapel Cemetery(Old LaRue Cemetery), LaRue, Texas. They had nine children: 1)Wyllis Cecil Ament (1866-1913), 2)Florence Sabina Ament (Bonner)(1868-1965) (this is my great grandmother), 3)Cyrus Harold Ament (1869-1890), 4)Lilliburn Guy Ament (1872-1957), 5)Bertha May Ament (Howard) (1874-1959), 6)James Roe Ament (1879-1965), 7)Malchom Karus Ament (1881-1973), 8)Ellen Idell Ament (1884-1884), 9)Joseph Fowler Ament (1886-1942) Ellen went by her middle name Idell. She and Anthony moved to Texas in 1877 and settled in Eagle Springs, Coryell Co, Texas. 3. Content Pennington was born in 1846 and died before 1860. 4. Joseph Pennington was born August 12, 1851 in Bunker Hill, Macoupin Co, Ill and died (unknown) in Bunker Hill, Ill. He married Mary E. Ament on February 4, 1879 in Macoupin Co. She was born in Missouri, the daughter of James E. and Emily Ament, natives of Tennessee and died March 6, 1930 Bunker Hill. They had one son Chester Pennington. 5. James Weston Pennington was born 1854 in Bunker Hill and died September 13, 1931 Bunker Hill, Macoupin Co, Ill. He married Annie M. Ament on September 9,1879. She was born 1856 in Missouri. They had at least one child, Mildred Pennington who married Oliver Grover Cromwell on July 6, 1906 Potosi, Missouri 6. Lawrence C. Pennington was born January 3, 1862 Macoupin Co, Ill and died March 8, 1889 Macoupin Co, Ill at 27 years old. He is buried in the Woodburn Cemetery. (From old newspaper clipping in Ellen Idell's scrapbook: "Lawrence C. Pennington, youngest child of James T. and Cynthia Pennington, was born January 3, 1862, and died March 8, 1889. For the past three years he had resided near Springfield, Ill., but finding his health failing very fast, he came home. His disease baffled the skill of our best physicians, and he went to St. Louis where he placed himself under the care of a specialist. He remained there some weeks, but finding himself no better he returned home and died just two weeks after his return. The deceased was a member of the Congregational Church at Woodburn, and while he possessed a strong desire to live, he said, "I am not afraid to die." The Rev. Charles Slater delivered the funeral discourse from Eph. 5:16, after which the remains were interred in Woodburn Cemetery, services being conducted in the Congregational Church Sunday morning. The floral offerings were beautiful, among them being a hand-made anchor of calla lilies, tube roses, pinks, and Lilly-of-the-valley. Also two beautiful wreaths of orange blossoms and evergreens. 1850 CENSUS MACOUPIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS Pennington, J.T. 32 NJ farmer Cyntha 26 NJ Elias 7 ILL Ellen I. 5 ILL Content 4 ILL 1860 CENSUS MACOUPIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS Pennington, James 47 NJ Cyntha 39 NJ Elias 18 ILL Ellen 16 ILL Joseph 9 ILL James 6 ILL Clipping on James T. Pennington's second marriage. "On the 31st ult. at Alton, by Rev. L. A. Abbott, Mr. James T. Pennington and Mrs. Amelia McPeek, both of this place. The bridegroom played a rich practical joke on several of his intimate friends and their wives. He concealed the fact that the wedding had already taken place, and invited them to his home last Sunday to witness the ceremony. The guests sat a couple of hours in anxious expectancy, when Mr. Pennington introduced his bride, and handed the marriage certificate around for inspection. It is said that the solitude of the Wood River wilderness was unbroken by a single ripple of laughter as the company gloomily wended its way homeward." Newspaper clipping from old scrapbook kept by Idell Pennington Ament in places words had crumbled away, but the meaning is clear: "Distressing and Fatal Accident" "James T. Pennington came to his death about 8 o'clock on Monday morning under peculiar circumstances. He left home with a wagon load of hogs, on his way to Shipman, and when near the Sanner place, people on the road saw him fall from his wagon; his team released from his control was speeding northward. Mr. Sanner and others hastened to the spot and found Mr. Pennington lying in the road dead; his neck had been dislocated and his nose broken by the fall, and the wagon wheels had passed over his chest. The body was at first taken to Mr. Sanner's house nearby, and later to the farm residence of the deceased near Woodburn. The horses and wagon were found at the Harris place. From the condition of the wagon it was surmised that the seat had been displaced; and that Mr. Pennington endeavored to right it while his horses were in motion, and that he lost his balance and fell over the dashboard. "Justice Newcomb of Shipman impaneled a jury which returned a verdict in accordance with the facts. There seems to be some question as to the propriety of his action, if not of its legality; it being held that the coroner should have been informed. "Deceased was 76 years of age, and was born in New Jersey of Scotch descent; his grandfather, John, was lieutenant during the Revolutionary War. He came to Illinois in 1839 working as a carpenter for a time in Brighton _________lton, and Jerseyville, and at this place. In 1841 he settled the farm which was his home at the time of his death, and in the same year was married to Cynthia Bullman, who bore ___even children of whom four survive. She died some years ago, and he was subsequently married to Mrs. Amelia McPeak, who survivies him. He was a life-long Democrat and was always prominent in the councils of his party. He served a term in the legislature ____ing the war days; while a resident of _____city, and engaged in merch___ng; he served as president of the ___n council, in 1871 he was elected supervisor, being the first chosen _______ this township on the adoption of ____ship organization. He was elected sheriff of Macoupin County in 1872, _____n 1874. He held no church rela______, but was one of the oldest members of Bunker Hill Lodge of Masons. _____mily and social relations he was ___m-hearted and genial and his ____th will be deplored by an unusually large circle of friends here and throughout the county. "The funeral will take place from the Congregational Church in Woodburn tomorrow (Thursday) at 2 o'clock. The remains will be interred in the ____ery in that place with Masonic _____."

Nicholas and Paul, Gentlemen, The question is not that there is any misrepresentation of what DNA studies are capable of doing. I believe we all know and accept that it is presently only possible to track the male DNA in a meaningful way. The science itself, is not the issue. The real question is what does all this DNA study mean to genealogy? And further what does that mean to group genealogical efforts like PRA? PRA is certainly not unique in pursuing DNA studies, but it is perhaps unique to my experience in spending a significant amount of time and energy on the DNA aspects of genealogy. The esteemed background of two of the 25 some odd Group leaders makes it more understandable why it is so particularly important to PRA. I do belong to another Surname group that has a large DNA studiy, by the way. I have been a member of PRA for only a short time. There is a line from "A Christmas Carol," that comes immediately to mind...."you're devilishly hard to have a conversation with." Here is a small, but concrete example of what I am talking about. This is the copy from the Home Page of PRA on the revolving banner, which is your primary invitation to those who come to your page, "Potentially find out which Family Group you are connected to using your DNA! Click on DNA Study button below." This is hardly an invitation to females to do research in PRA, since we obviously cannot take part in these studies. Ad to this the fact that no PRA member has access to any information and you have left females researchers out in the cold. Whether you intended to or not is frankly irrelevant, you have. Having heard from several female members of PRA, I can assure you that I am not alone in feeling there has been less effort put forth on our lines than on those that can be documented male DNA lines. The very good news is that once the PRA opens up the data files to everyone, we can all share what only a privileged few can use right now. That may help us. Let us hope so. That file was going to be opened on January 15th now that I think about it. I haven't seen an announcement that it took place yet. Do you know when it will actually happen? Cheryl Spaulding At 11:11 AM 01/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Cheryl, > >As a Group Leader in the PRA and as a Ph.D. in the biological sciences >(Marine Biology / Aquatic Toxicology), I too, agree with the comments by >Nick. There is no intentional effort to exclude women from the DNA study; >it is purely an issue of our current scientific state of knowledge >regarding DNA. I would also be delighted to discuss this with you or your >daughter at anytime. Nick is 100%, scientifically correct in what he is >saying. According to our present state of knowledge of DNA, the DNA on >the Y-chromosome (the Y is unfortunately only found in men) affords us the >best (and perhaps the only) opportunity to study our genealogy using >DNA. As Nick pointed out, there are other sources of DNA within each of >our cells, but they are not suitable for these types of studies for a >variety of reasons which, also, I would be glad to discuss with you in >more detail. > >Believe me, if there was a way for us to use DNA from women in >genealogical studies, a great deal of questions could be answered in my >group… and I would embrace that effort wholeheartedly. > >My sincerest regards, > >Paul L. Pennington, Ph.D. >Research Marine Biologist >National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration >National Ocean Service >Center for Coastal Environmental Health and Biomolecular Research >Charleston, SC > >Group Leader for Group 6 >Pennington Research Association > > > >============================================================ >From: "Gene Pennington" <[email protected]> >Date: 2004/01/27 Tue AM 10:26:05 EST >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: The "new genealogy" bumper sticker > >Posted by Gene Pennington at request of Nick Penington who has an e-mail >problem and cannot send messages from his home computer at this time. > >====================================================== > >Cheryl, > >I am sorry if you got the impression that I or anyone in the PRA is not >interested in tracing female lines but this is certainly untrue. It is just >more difficult than male lines as you know. My comments seem to have been >misunderstood since they referred to the use of DNA in tracing female lines. >I traced all lines for my wife back to 1720 in Europe !! > >Re what your daughter said: When suggesting that someone is not in command >of the facts it is customary to point out where they are incorrect. > >I have a Ph.D. in medical science and work with DNA. I would gladly compare >my knowledge of the use of DNA in genealogy with anyone, short of someone >who uses molecular population genetics for a living! > >Nicholas J. Penington Associate Professor of Physiology and Pharmacology, >State University of New York. > > > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== >Learn what's new at the PRA. To learn more, go to --> >http://www.penningtonresearch.org and click on the "News" link on the left >side of the page. > >============================================================ > > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== >To sign up to use the archive features, go to --> >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and follow the instructions. >Pennington Research Association Web Site >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean.

Cheryl, As a Group Leader in the PRA and as a Ph.D. in the biological sciences (Marine Biology / Aquatic Toxicology), I too, agree with the comments by Nick. There is no intentional effort to exclude women from the DNA study; it is purely an issue of our current scientific state of knowledge regarding DNA. I would also be delighted to discuss this with you or your daughter at anytime. Nick is 100%, scientifically correct in what he is saying. According to our present state of knowledge of DNA, the DNA on the Y-chromosome (the Y is unfortunately only found in men) affords us the best (and perhaps the only) opportunity to study our genealogy using DNA. As Nick pointed out, there are other sources of DNA within each of our cells, but they are not suitable for these types of studies for a variety of reasons which, also, I would be glad to discuss with you in more detail. Believe me, if there was a way for us to use DNA from women in genealogical studies, a great deal of questions could be answered in my group… and I would embrace that effort wholeheartedly. My sincerest regards, Paul L. Pennington, Ph.D. Research Marine Biologist National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration National Ocean Service Center for Coastal Environmental Health and Biomolecular Research Charleston, SC Group Leader for Group 6 Pennington Research Association ============================================================ From: "Gene Pennington" <[email protected]> Date: 2004/01/27 Tue AM 10:26:05 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The "new genealogy" bumper sticker Posted by Gene Pennington at request of Nick Penington who has an e-mail problem and cannot send messages from his home computer at this time. ====================================================== Cheryl, I am sorry if you got the impression that I or anyone in the PRA is not interested in tracing female lines but this is certainly untrue. It is just more difficult than male lines as you know. My comments seem to have been misunderstood since they referred to the use of DNA in tracing female lines. I traced all lines for my wife back to 1720 in Europe !! Re what your daughter said: When suggesting that someone is not in command of the facts it is customary to point out where they are incorrect. I have a Ph.D. in medical science and work with DNA. I would gladly compare my knowledge of the use of DNA in genealogy with anyone, short of someone who uses molecular population genetics for a living! Nicholas J. Penington Associate Professor of Physiology and Pharmacology, State University of New York. ==== PRA Mailing List ==== ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== Learn what's new at the PRA. To learn more, go to --> http://www.penningtonresearch.org and click on the "News" link on the left side of the page. ============================================================

The opening date for our new website for the JFMF on MyFamily.com has been moved back to January 31, 2004. We needed more time to test the site, add more family trees and family history reports and to send out the invitations. This is a target date and we may have to move it back again if we're not able to get the invitations sent out in a timely manner and then set up each member who replies to the invitation. My apologies for not posting the notice of the delay. Cheryl, your concerns and suggestions have been noted and will be discussed by our Research Committee. Gene Pennington (Group 7) Vice President Research Director Pennington Research Association, Inc. www.PenningtonResearch.org

Dear Ruth, I am happy to see another woman genealogist who considers her lines of equal value to male lines. I have gotten pitiful little help with my own FEMALE Penington line from PRA and I am beginning now to understand why. I cannot get my line back very far..only to the birth of Ross T. Penington in 1820 in Baltimore, Maryland. The only line of mine that would qualify for DAR is my Dobson (grandmother's) line that goes back to Edward Dobson, 1634 in Gloucester County, VA. This line has already been registered with DAR by another cousin. I never thought about joining. I will. Good for you. Get your documentation and let's get this darned PRA group moving in a rational direction, which is NOT following only female lines. Your cousin somehow, Cheryl At 12:59 AM 01/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Cheryl, > >I want to say that I descend from Mary Pennington b 1765 and her father, >Micajah Pennington b 1743. I have documented back o Mary and her husband, >Jesse >Bowling, who is a proven patriot and I became a member of the DAR through >Jesse >Bowling 1758. His wife is documented as Mary Pennington, daughter of Micajah >Pennington. Micajah Pennington b 1743, who married Rachel Jones is a patriot >also and I've documented back to him too. I will have my papers verified for >him, sent to me from Washington in a couple of months. It is very hard to >find >all the documentation and it is accepted to be the true documented line >when you >can do so. We come from a proper family and of course our paper trail shows >the correct connection. If anyone would like to have a copy of my DAR >application and if you are interested in joining the DAR or the SAR, >please let me >know. I'll be happy to help you. > >Thank you. > >Cousin Ruth > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== >PRA publications are available at the PRA Web Site at >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean.

Posted by Gene Pennington at request of Nick Penington who has an e-mail problem and cannot send messages from his home computer at this time. ====================================================== Cheryl, I am sorry if you got the impression that I or anyone in the PRA is not interested in tracing female lines but this is certainly untrue. It is just more difficult than male lines as you know. My comments seem to have been misunderstood since they referred to the use of DNA in tracing female lines. I traced all lines for my wife back to 1720 in Europe !! Re what your daughter said: When suggesting that someone is not in command of the facts it is customary to point out where they are incorrect. I have a Ph.D. in medical science and work with DNA. I would gladly compare my knowledge of the use of DNA in genealogy with anyone, short of someone who uses molecular population genetics for a living! Nicholas J. Penington Associate Professor of Physiology and Pharmacology, State University of New York.

Cheryl, I want to say that I descend from Mary Pennington b 1765 and her father, Micajah Pennington b 1743. I have documented back o Mary and her husband, Jesse Bowling, who is a proven patriot and I became a member of the DAR through Jesse Bowling 1758. His wife is documented as Mary Pennington, daughter of Micajah Pennington. Micajah Pennington b 1743, who married Rachel Jones is a patriot also and I've documented back to him too. I will have my papers verified for him, sent to me from Washington in a couple of months. It is very hard to find all the documentation and it is accepted to be the true documented line when you can do so. We come from a proper family and of course our paper trail shows the correct connection. If anyone would like to have a copy of my DAR application and if you are interested in joining the DAR or the SAR, please let me know. I'll be happy to help you. Thank you. Cousin Ruth

Nicholas, I shared your email with my daughter, who is a marine biologist. She emailed me back to ask me, "He was joking with you, right?" She was completely astonished when I said, no, you were quite serious. You do realize that your remark, "Nobody is keeping you out of any club but if you want to play you have to find a male relative if you want information you can relate to a surname I am sorry but it is just the way things are." is quite offensive to all of us who trace female lines that have no male heirs. My daughter's second response was ,"well here's proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." And so it is. Cheryl At 02:50 PM 01/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Cheryl, > I am afraid the fault is with our society that has evolved over >the last 800 years and also our creator (or evolution as you wish) for >designing DNA the way it is designed. We just happen to assign surnames >on the basis of who the father was. If we had decided to do it the other >way as some cultures did (i believe) then actually we could perhaps trace >one line of surname bequeathing females using the mitochondrial DNA. But >there is a problem with this in that mutations occur much less frequently >in mitochondrial DNA so it is a much slower genetic clock and it would be >more difficult to find DNA sequences that identify a single lineage if we >used females.The problem is that biology is strange in that there really >does only seem to be one really useful long strand of DNA that is passed >down in a straight line without being mixed up 50:50 on every conception. >One day science may find a way but it hasn't happened yet I am afraid. By >the way it is not very much money when it tells you what line you come >from so there is no point in searching records from other lines of >Penningtons. >Last time I checked my daughters were called Penington and were just as >interested in their Penington ancestors as I am! I also traced one of >their mothers lines for them but I couldn't use DNA much to my >disappointment. Nobody is keeping you out of any club but if you want to >play you have to find a male relative if you want information you can >relate to a surname I am sorry but it is just the way things are. > >By the way why don't you check the 831 surname studies for yourself at the >following address: > >http://www.duerinck.com/surname.html > > > > >Spaulding <[email protected]> >01/26/2004 02:33 PM >Please respond to PRA-L > > > To: [email protected] > cc: > Subject: Re: The "new genealogy" bumper sticker > > >It may be time for some rather serious thought about all this DNA studies >"thing." A better statement than the one you present might be "Surnames > >have always been the way men keep track of their Y-chromosome >patterns." The 830 surname DNA studies and 40,000 people tested you tout, > >do nothing whatsoever for the female descendents of any family line. I >frankly am beginning to find it increasingly alarming that so much effort >and money is being poured into these studies. > >Before you men go galloping off into the sunset, chasing your DNA, you >might give some thought to what you intend to do for your daughters....not > >just your sons. Have the boys simply found a new "club" to which only >they >can belong? > >Cheryl Spaulding > > > >At 12:31 PM 01/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >I saw this bumper sticker on someone's website and its not far off the > >mark! > > > >The value of Y-chromosome testing in genealogy can be summed up in one > >statement: > > > >"Surnames are really just a method of keeping track of Y-chromosome > >patterns". > > > >With at least 830 surname DNA studies and over 40,000 people tested it is > >clear that this tool works! If you are interested in this new tool in > >genealogy go to www.penningtonresearch.org and click on DNA Study. > > > > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== > >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > >To sign up to use the archive features, go to --> > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and follow the instructions. > >Pennington Research Association Web Site > >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > > > > >-- > >This message has been scanned for viruses and > >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is > >believed to be clean. > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== >For help with your research, go to >http://www.penningtonresearch.org and >click on Research Tips. > > > > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION List ==== >For more information about the PRA visit our Web Site at >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean.

Cheryl, I am afraid the fault is with our society that has evolved over the last 800 years and also our creator (or evolution as you wish) for designing DNA the way it is designed. We just happen to assign surnames on the basis of who the father was. If we had decided to do it the other way as some cultures did (i believe) then actually we could perhaps trace one line of surname bequeathing females using the mitochondrial DNA. But there is a problem with this in that mutations occur much less frequently in mitochondrial DNA so it is a much slower genetic clock and it would be more difficult to find DNA sequences that identify a single lineage if we used females.The problem is that biology is strange in that there really does only seem to be one really useful long strand of DNA that is passed down in a straight line without being mixed up 50:50 on every conception. One day science may find a way but it hasn't happened yet I am afraid. By the way it is not very much money when it tells you what line you come from so there is no point in searching records from other lines of Penningtons. Last time I checked my daughters were called Penington and were just as interested in their Penington ancestors as I am! I also traced one of their mothers lines for them but I couldn't use DNA much to my disappointment. Nobody is keeping you out of any club but if you want to play you have to find a male relative if you want information you can relate to a surname I am sorry but it is just the way things are. By the way why don't you check the 831 surname studies for yourself at the following address: http://www.duerinck.com/surname.html Spaulding <[email protected]> 01/26/2004 02:33 PM Please respond to PRA-L To: [email protected] cc: Subject: Re: The "new genealogy" bumper sticker It may be time for some rather serious thought about all this DNA studies "thing." A better statement than the one you present might be "Surnames have always been the way men keep track of their Y-chromosome patterns." The 830 surname DNA studies and 40,000 people tested you tout, do nothing whatsoever for the female descendents of any family line. I frankly am beginning to find it increasingly alarming that so much effort and money is being poured into these studies. Before you men go galloping off into the sunset, chasing your DNA, you might give some thought to what you intend to do for your daughters....not just your sons. Have the boys simply found a new "club" to which only they can belong? Cheryl Spaulding At 12:31 PM 01/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I saw this bumper sticker on someone's website and its not far off the >mark! > >The value of Y-chromosome testing in genealogy can be summed up in one >statement: > >"Surnames are really just a method of keeping track of Y-chromosome >patterns". > >With at least 830 surname DNA studies and over 40,000 people tested it is >clear that this tool works! If you are interested in this new tool in >genealogy go to www.penningtonresearch.org and click on DNA Study. > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== >To sign up to use the archive features, go to --> >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and follow the instructions. >Pennington Research Association Web Site >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. ==== PRA Mailing List ==== ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== For help with your research, go to http://www.penningtonresearch.org and click on Research Tips.

It may be time for some rather serious thought about all this DNA studies "thing." A better statement than the one you present might be "Surnames have always been the way men keep track of their Y-chromosome patterns." The 830 surname DNA studies and 40,000 people tested you tout, do nothing whatsoever for the female descendents of any family line. I frankly am beginning to find it increasingly alarming that so much effort and money is being poured into these studies. Before you men go galloping off into the sunset, chasing your DNA, you might give some thought to what you intend to do for your daughters....not just your sons. Have the boys simply found a new "club" to which only they can belong? Cheryl Spaulding At 12:31 PM 01/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I saw this bumper sticker on someone's website and its not far off the >mark! > >The value of Y-chromosome testing in genealogy can be summed up in one >statement: > >"Surnames are really just a method of keeping track of Y-chromosome >patterns". > >With at least 830 surname DNA studies and over 40,000 people tested it is >clear that this tool works! If you are interested in this new tool in >genealogy go to www.penningtonresearch.org and click on DNA Study. > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== >To sign up to use the archive features, go to --> >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and follow the instructions. >Pennington Research Association Web Site >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean.

I don't think that the rev war diary was ever printed in the pedegrees, and I haven't looked at it for a while. I had it copied by the hist society in Newark. I think that I knew that it existed through the pedegrees a long time ago. I have not seen much interest in the New Jersey Penningtons, but would be happy to share the diary with anyone who is interested. I am unsure if it is legal for me to post it on the internet. Gene, I'm your neighbor can you advise? Virginia Saxton

Hey Cheryl, Lest us not forget that those " Y- fellas" would not be here if it wasn't for us females We play the most important part - getting those guys here. My father had 4 daughters. But thank God a few of my sisters had boys and we were still able to ascertain our linage through my nephews. Thanks for posting - Rene'e Davis, CFO ARD, Family Groups PRA - Group 9 Pennington Research Association, Inc. www.penningtonresearch.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spaulding" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: Re: The "new genealogy" bumper sticker > It may be time for some rather serious thought about all this DNA studies > "thing." A better statement than the one you present might be "Surnames > have always been the way men keep track of their Y-chromosome > patterns." The 830 surname DNA studies and 40,000 people tested you tout, > do nothing whatsoever for the female descendents of any family line. I > frankly am beginning to find it increasingly alarming that so much effort > and money is being poured into these studies. > > Before you men go galloping off into the sunset, chasing your DNA, you > might give some thought to what you intend to do for your daughters....not > just your sons. Have the boys simply found a new "club" to which only they > can belong? > > Cheryl Spaulding > > > > At 12:31 PM 01/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >I saw this bumper sticker on someone's website and its not far off the > >mark! > > > >The value of Y-chromosome testing in genealogy can be summed up in one > >statement: > > > >"Surnames are really just a method of keeping track of Y-chromosome > >patterns". > > > >With at least 830 surname DNA studies and over 40,000 people tested it is > >clear that this tool works! If you are interested in this new tool in > >genealogy go to www.penningtonresearch.org and click on DNA Study. > > > > > >==== PRA Mailing List ==== > >==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > >To sign up to use the archive features, go to --> > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and follow the instructions. > >Pennington Research Association Web Site > >http://www.penningtonresearch.org > > > > > >-- > >This message has been scanned for viruses and > >dangerous content by The CCIS.net MailScanner, and is > >believed to be clean. > > > ==== PRA Mailing List ==== > ==== PENNINGTON RESEARCH ASSOCIATION ==== > For help with your research, go to > http://www.penningtonresearch.org and > click on Research Tips. > >