Barbara, Pardon a naive question. Does Y-DNA only work with strictly female lineage? As you probably remember, we Walls (me dad and I) believe ourselves to descend from a John Wall-Anne Poythress union but (like Lou Poole's site shows and Batte's chart hints) it's only an educated guess. I suppose we couldn't use Y-DNA if the Poythress link is through Anne but the Wall link is through John, right? Steve -----Original Message----- >From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> >Sent: Apr 14, 2006 8:14 PM >To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: DNA of a Porteous compared to Poythress/Poytress > >Hi All, >Below is a copy of an exchange regarding DNA with Doug Porteous ><orillia319@rogers.com> > >I'll copy his initial email from yesterday first, with my response to >him below, and then his response today saying it was fine to send each >of you a copy of this. Interesting. By the way, to anyone wanting to >check out Doug's website, be sure that all the letters of it are pasted >into your browser, as some of the final word may wrap around to another >line in this email. > >And, by the way Doug, I forgot to mention to you earlier: if you do set >up a Surname Study, you & your fellow participants will have a cheaper >cost per test for each type of test ordered (versus the cost of ordering >them when not a participant in a Surname Study). >Happy Easter, >Barbara Poythress Neal >= = = = > >4/13/2006 Doug Porteous wrote: >Hello Barbara, >There have been a few emails and forum messages exchanged recently >regarding the possibility that Poythress may be a variation on Porteous, >and vice versa. > >Although I'm only one individual and it's quite likely that people with >the Port*s (where * = any vowel) surname may have widely varying >origins, I should let you know that my results indicate membership in >the "I" haplogroup. See >http:// >www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=Porteous_Genealogy_in_a_Nutshell > >I'm awaiting the results of a Y-DNA upgrade test (from 12 to 37 markers >from FTDNA). Note: I offered to run a Porteous/Porteus/Portas/etc. DNA >study but there hasn't been a lot of interest yet from the "Porteous >Associates". I'm thinking I should just plunge ahead and arrange for a >study. :-) > >I'd be curious as to what you have learned from your Poythress study. >All the best, >Doug Porteous >Toronto, Ontario, Canada >= = = = > >Subject: DNA compared for Poythress/Poytress & Porteous >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:35:33 -0600 >From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> >To: Doug Porteous <orillia319@rogers.com> > >Hi Doug & thanks so much for writing me. > >I'm interested to hear from a Porteous! I've been one of the Poythress >folks long trying to keep an open mind re whether some of the alternate >spellings (Portriss, Portis, etc) might have descended from the same >folk we did. In general almost all of our ancestors had an "r" after the >"t" or the "th" by the way. > >I went to your website, and was interested to see that your Porteous >progenitor came to Canada from further north in the British Isles than >did Captain Francis Poythress. I was also quite interested to see what >marker-readings make up your Haplogroup I. Quite different from the >marker-readings that make up our Haplogroup R1b, which most of our >Poythress/Poytress participants are in. > >Haplogroup R1b is from the British Isles, which is consistent with >Captain Francis Poythress having come to Virginia by 1632 as a factor >for a London merchant; Francis was christened in Newent, >Gloucestershire; and consistent with Francis' brother Christopher who >stayed in Gloucestershire. > >And your Haplogroup I is also quite different from Haplogroup A, in >which we have one participant. That is one of the haplogroups that show >American Indian ancestry. > >On our 12-marker tests, done by FamilyTreeDNA, so that you can compare >to your 12-marker test on which you've already gotten results, our >readings come back as shown below. > >For our 12 participants who are in Haplogroup R1b, & our 1 participant >in Haplogroup A, versus your results in Haplogroup I (Note: I'm >abbreviating "Haplogroup" as "Hgrp" below): > >393 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I >390 = 24 in Hgrp R1b; 23 in Hgrp A; 24 in your Hgrp I >19 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 14 in Hgrp A; 16 in your Hgrp I >391 = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I >385a = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 16 in Hgrp A; 12 in your Hgrp I >385b = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 17 in Hgrp A; 15 in your Hgrp I >426 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I >388 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 10 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I >439 = 13 [1 of our R1b participants had 12]; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in Hgrp I >389-1 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I >392 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I >389-2 = 30 in Hgrp R1b; 31 in Hgrp A; 18 in your Hgrp I > >Doug, you are welcome to copy this message to your Porteous folks, and I >would like to get your permission to forward a copy of this message to >our Poythress-List of subscribers & to our Poythress/Poytress-Surname >Y-DNA Study participants. >Barbara Poythress Neal >bp_neal@earthlink.net > >= = = = >4/14/06 Hi Barbara, > >I'm only one representative of what I think is a very large and quite >likely diverse group, so it is still possible that there are some >"Porteii" with potential Poyt*ress connections. > >One person a few of us have been very interested in is Edward Porteus, >grandfather of Beilby Porteous, a former Bishop of London. Edward lived >in an area on the York River in Virginia called "Violet Banks" some time >in the 1600s (I don't have the information handy at the moment). There >also seems to be a bit of Poythress/Porteous overlap in South Carolina >but I'll need to locate my notes from a vacation we took there a couple >of years ago. > >I did a study of early IGI entries for Porteous and found a number in >the Kent and London area far back in time: >http://www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=British_Origins > >(Coincidentally, Newent comes up in my mother's side of the family...) > >Please feel free to copy my message to your list. >Regards, >--Doug > > >==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >Visit www.poythress.net > > > > > > > > > > >o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ >