Hi All, Below is a copy of an exchange regarding DNA with Doug Porteous <orillia319@rogers.com> I'll copy his initial email from yesterday first, with my response to him below, and then his response today saying it was fine to send each of you a copy of this. Interesting. By the way, to anyone wanting to check out Doug's website, be sure that all the letters of it are pasted into your browser, as some of the final word may wrap around to another line in this email. And, by the way Doug, I forgot to mention to you earlier: if you do set up a Surname Study, you & your fellow participants will have a cheaper cost per test for each type of test ordered (versus the cost of ordering them when not a participant in a Surname Study). Happy Easter, Barbara Poythress Neal = = = = 4/13/2006 Doug Porteous wrote: Hello Barbara, There have been a few emails and forum messages exchanged recently regarding the possibility that Poythress may be a variation on Porteous, and vice versa. Although I'm only one individual and it's quite likely that people with the Port*s (where * = any vowel) surname may have widely varying origins, I should let you know that my results indicate membership in the "I" haplogroup. See http:// www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=Porteous_Genealogy_in_a_Nutshell I'm awaiting the results of a Y-DNA upgrade test (from 12 to 37 markers from FTDNA). Note: I offered to run a Porteous/Porteus/Portas/etc. DNA study but there hasn't been a lot of interest yet from the "Porteous Associates". I'm thinking I should just plunge ahead and arrange for a study. :-) I'd be curious as to what you have learned from your Poythress study. All the best, Doug Porteous Toronto, Ontario, Canada = = = = Subject: DNA compared for Poythress/Poytress & Porteous Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:35:33 -0600 From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> To: Doug Porteous <orillia319@rogers.com> Hi Doug & thanks so much for writing me. I'm interested to hear from a Porteous! I've been one of the Poythress folks long trying to keep an open mind re whether some of the alternate spellings (Portriss, Portis, etc) might have descended from the same folk we did. In general almost all of our ancestors had an "r" after the "t" or the "th" by the way. I went to your website, and was interested to see that your Porteous progenitor came to Canada from further north in the British Isles than did Captain Francis Poythress. I was also quite interested to see what marker-readings make up your Haplogroup I. Quite different from the marker-readings that make up our Haplogroup R1b, which most of our Poythress/Poytress participants are in. Haplogroup R1b is from the British Isles, which is consistent with Captain Francis Poythress having come to Virginia by 1632 as a factor for a London merchant; Francis was christened in Newent, Gloucestershire; and consistent with Francis' brother Christopher who stayed in Gloucestershire. And your Haplogroup I is also quite different from Haplogroup A, in which we have one participant. That is one of the haplogroups that show American Indian ancestry. On our 12-marker tests, done by FamilyTreeDNA, so that you can compare to your 12-marker test on which you've already gotten results, our readings come back as shown below. For our 12 participants who are in Haplogroup R1b, & our 1 participant in Haplogroup A, versus your results in Haplogroup I (Note: I'm abbreviating "Haplogroup" as "Hgrp" below): 393 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I 390 = 24 in Hgrp R1b; 23 in Hgrp A; 24 in your Hgrp I 19 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 14 in Hgrp A; 16 in your Hgrp I 391 = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I 385a = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 16 in Hgrp A; 12 in your Hgrp I 385b = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 17 in Hgrp A; 15 in your Hgrp I 426 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I 388 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 10 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I 439 = 13 [1 of our R1b participants had 12]; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in Hgrp I 389-1 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I 392 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I 389-2 = 30 in Hgrp R1b; 31 in Hgrp A; 18 in your Hgrp I Doug, you are welcome to copy this message to your Porteous folks, and I would like to get your permission to forward a copy of this message to our Poythress-List of subscribers & to our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study participants. Barbara Poythress Neal bp_neal@earthlink.net = = = = 4/14/06 Hi Barbara, I'm only one representative of what I think is a very large and quite likely diverse group, so it is still possible that there are some "Porteii" with potential Poyt*ress connections. One person a few of us have been very interested in is Edward Porteus, grandfather of Beilby Porteous, a former Bishop of London. Edward lived in an area on the York River in Virginia called "Violet Banks" some time in the 1600s (I don't have the information handy at the moment). There also seems to be a bit of Poythress/Porteous overlap in South Carolina but I'll need to locate my notes from a vacation we took there a couple of years ago. I did a study of early IGI entries for Porteous and found a number in the Kent and London area far back in time: http://www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=British_Origins (Coincidentally, Newent comes up in my mother's side of the family...) Please feel free to copy my message to your list. Regards, --Doug