I am scouring the archives for documents to continue to build on a "complete" (or as complete as I can make it) database for Virginia. Anyone have an opinion on whether or not one should draw an inference from the below that Francis Poythres arrived VA 1617? Remember that at least "a" Francis Poythres was baptised 1609 so if "Francis" did arrive 1617 then he was only 8 years of age, hardly qualifying as a factor. And if the 3 ships came as a "fleet" then Francis was accompanied by his future son-in-law. I'm understandably leary of this one. Maynard From: "Albert R. Tims" < atims@minn.net> Subject: By GEORGE, I think we've got something here Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:13:52 -0500 Poythress List, You "ancient" listers will recall that I've speculated from time to time about a possible connection between Francis Poythress and the London Company. You'll also recall that I've been interested in the ships named in the following account: ...Lawrence Evans, merchant, sent to Virginia in the previous year goods for a value of =A32,000 in three ships, the Rebecca, master - Richard Buckham, the George, master -- Robert Page, and the Hopewell, master -- William Smith. One factor died during the journey, his other factor Francis Poetres returned a bill of only =A3150. C. M. Andres, F. G. Davenport, Guide to the Manuscript Materials for the history of the United States to 1783, in the British Museum, in Minor London Archives and in the libraries of Oxford and Cambridge (Washington, D.C., 1908) pp. 170-177. p. 220 I don't know why it has taken me so long to make this connection, but it turns out that the ship the London Company had arranged for John Rolfe, Lady Rebecca (Pocahontas) and young Thomas Rolfe to use for their return to Virginia in March of 1617 was the above named George. This is as close as I believe we've come to developing a basis for establishing a link between the London Company and Francis Poythress. Best, Al Tims

Maynard, I went back to the List Archives to look at the original message to see if Al Tims actually cited the *date* of the account he quoted in that 14 Jul 1997 message. In that message, Al did not put a date for the account at all. He only noted that the *ship* ("the George") was the same ship: For clarity, (after finding the actual quotation from the document he referenced, below copied), one could re-state Al's point, saying that "the ship used by John Rolfe, Lady Rebecca (Pocahontas) and young Thomas Rolfe for their return to Virginia in March of 1617 was the same ship used 20 years later by Lawrence Evans, merchant, one of whose factors was Francis Poetres. Where I found the date was on our Poythress website (www.poythress.net - under the section "Virginia Origins: The 17th Century Record." There Al included the *date* of the citation -- 19 Sep 1637 -- along with the full quote: From: C. M. Andres, F. G. Davenport, Guide to the Manuscript Materials for the history of the United States to 1783, in the British Museum, in Minor London Archives and in the libraries of Oxford and Cambridge (Washington, D.C., 1908) pp. 170-177. p. 220 Quote: A letter to the Governor and Council of Virginia, 19 September 1637. Lawrence Evans, merchant, sent to Virginia in the previous year goods for a value of £2,000 in three ships, the Rebecca, master - Richard Buckham, the George, master -- Robert Page, and the Hopewell, master -- William Smith. One factor died during the journey, his other factor Francis Poetres returned a bill of only £150. The rest of the goods were carried away by the three masters and their crew. Order to try and trace the goods belonging to Evans.