Julie, I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's first cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family research or personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys Morris Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister. And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange? Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > Theresa, > I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to > Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's > grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's > sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son of > Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness. You > can still see the stars here :) > Love > Julie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > > >> Julie, >> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few times a >> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I can >> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then. >> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest children >> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course >> Fredericksburg was one of the stops. >> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, & Caroline >> County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my daughters is >> considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> >> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM >> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> >> >>> Hey everyone, >>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let >>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the >>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually >>> lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can >>> only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress >>> gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch. >>> >>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to >>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get >>> stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the >>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help >>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and >>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since >>> I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for >>> this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't >>> ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where >>> Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you >>> can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the >>> right and I'm in King George County. >>> >>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On >>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after >>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties >>> into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of >>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I >>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street >>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding >>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a >>> thing to flooding. >>> >>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 >>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity. >>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the >>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great >>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures >>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so >>> low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes >>> that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps made by >>> the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago. >>> >>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River. >>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the >>> river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world >>> during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept >>> trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt >>> would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New >>> York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons >>> a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots >>> of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They >>> also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of >>> the houses that are still standing. (Including my own first house I >>> renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose >>> the foundation during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane >>> travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 ye! >>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic >>> river... >>> >>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the >>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this >>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in >>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan >>> who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as other >>> first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco and >>> using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it. >>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really >>> strong undercurrents and tides. >>> >>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you. >>> Love >>> Julie >>> >>> >>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web >>> www.poythress.net >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> Poythress Genealogy Research Web >> www.poythress.net >> > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about > Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >

I found Marlene in a round about way. I got the death certificate for James Lundy Clary. It told he was buried in Old Pleasant Hill Christian church. I wondered hopefully if his wife Betty Glover was buried beside him. I saw the church had a web site, and I emailed the pastor and asked if by chance Betty was buried beside him. He said she indeed was, and that Marlene a member of the congregation would be kin to me then, and gave me her contact info. Last July I went to visit her and she took me to the church so I could take pictures of the Clary/Glover stones to share with my family. I saw the Poythress stones there, but I had just run out of film. So I told Barbara I'd go back this summer and take pictures to make available for this list. Marlene said she had a relative who knew more about Clary questions I asked, and I wonder if it was you that sent Clary answers to her for me. So I'll have to go back and reread her letters. One amazing thing to me is that Marlene said she grew up being told they were Indian from the Glover family and that they have a different teeth pattern like the Indians. I was curious, and already have a little Indian pride in, even though I am extremely pale and sunburn easy :). I saw her picture and was so surprised! She had thick beautiful long black Indian hair and there was no doubt she looked Indian. She is the only Glover generation we have a picture of. I asked people from other Glover branches and they had heard rumors of being Indian too. And they had heard rumors. Sadly back then though, you had to hide being Indian and "live white" so you didn't get put on a reservation. I do have a Cherokee gr.... grandma in another part of my family not connected to Mecklenburg. Even though we have no other records for this grandma, because she had to hide her identity, I'm glad she was able to live the life she chose rather than one that the government chose for her. Betty Glover married to James Lundy Clary has 4 other siblings. One is another Rehoboth church family, Christine "Minnie" Glover married to Charles Tudor. Also two brother that moved to and lived in Lunenburg County. Richard and Oliver. These are all children of Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd (John B. Kidd's daughter and sister in law to Virinda Jones) For some of you not so familiar with this area, the families all criss cross a lot. And this is Foxhall Poythress, Kidd, Cannon, Jones and Gray neighborhood even still today. So I was really quite shocked to see Betty Glover's picture and how definitely Indian she looked. Have any of you heard about Indians in this area so late as 1860's? Love, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > Julie, > I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's > first cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family research > or personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys Morris > Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister. > And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange? > Teresa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > > >> Theresa, >> I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to >> Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's >> grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's >> sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son of >> Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness. You >> can still see the stars here :) >> Love >> Julie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> >> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM >> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> >> >>> Julie, >>> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few times a >>> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I can >>> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then. >>> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest children >>> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course >>> Fredericksburg was one of the stops. >>> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, & >>> Caroline County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my >>> daughters is considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> >>> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM >>> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >>> >>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let >>>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the >>>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress >>>> actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can >>>> find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my >>>> direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to >>>> William Archer Dortch. >>>> >>>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to >>>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you >>>> get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the >>>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help >>>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and >>>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. >>>> Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up >>>> for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I >>>> haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure >>>> where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge >>>> here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 >>>> miles to the right and I'm in King George County. >>>> >>>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On >>>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after >>>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which >>>> empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of >>>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I >>>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street >>>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding >>>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a >>>> thing to flooding. >>>> >>>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 >>>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity. >>>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the >>>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great >>>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures >>>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten >>>> so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden >>>> spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps >>>> made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago. >>>> >>>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River. >>>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on >>>> the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the >>>> world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington >>>> kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the >>>> silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that >>>> was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over >>>> 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. >>>> There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious >>>> minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for >>>> foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own >>>> first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the >>>> buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that happens >>>> whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) >>>> about every 25 ye! >>>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic >>>> river... >>>> >>>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the >>>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this >>>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in >>>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil >>>> Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as >>>> other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco >>>> and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it. >>>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really >>>> strong undercurrents and tides. >>>> >>>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you. >>>> Love >>>> Julie >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >>>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web >>>> www.poythress.net >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web >>> www.poythress.net >>> >> >> >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about >> Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> >> > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net >

Curiousity...what do you mean by an indian tooth pattern. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: Pleasant Hill > I found Marlene in a round about way. I got the death certificate for James > Lundy Clary. It told he was buried in Old Pleasant Hill Christian church. I > wondered hopefully if his wife Betty Glover was buried beside him. I saw the > church had a web site, and I emailed the pastor and asked if by chance Betty > was buried beside him. He said she indeed was, and that Marlene a member of > the congregation would be kin to me then, and gave me her contact info. Last > July I went to visit her and she took me to the church so I could take > pictures of the Clary/Glover stones to share with my family. I saw the > Poythress stones there, but I had just run out of film. So I told Barbara > I'd go back this summer and take pictures to make available for this list. > > Marlene said she had a relative who knew more about Clary questions I asked, > and I wonder if it was you that sent Clary answers to her for me. So I'll > have to go back and reread her letters. > > One amazing thing to me is that Marlene said she grew up being told they > were Indian from the Glover family and that they have a different teeth > pattern like the Indians. I was curious, and already have a little Indian > pride in, even though I am extremely pale and sunburn easy :). > I saw her picture and was so surprised! She had thick beautiful long black > Indian hair and there was no doubt she looked Indian. She is the only Glover > generation we have a picture of. I asked people from other Glover branches > and they had heard rumors of being Indian too. And they had heard rumors. > Sadly back then though, you had to hide being Indian and "live white" so you > didn't get put on a reservation. I do have a Cherokee gr.... grandma in > another part of my family not connected to Mecklenburg. Even though we have > no other records for this grandma, because she had to hide her identity, I'm > glad she was able to live the life she chose rather than one that the > government chose for her. > > Betty Glover married to James Lundy Clary has 4 other siblings. One is > another Rehoboth church family, Christine "Minnie" Glover married to Charles > Tudor. Also two brother that moved to and lived in Lunenburg County. Richard > and Oliver. These are all children of Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd > (John B. Kidd's daughter and sister in law to Virinda Jones) For some of you > not so familiar with this area, the families all criss cross a lot. And this > is Foxhall Poythress, Kidd, Cannon, Jones and Gray neighborhood even still > today. > > So I was really quite shocked to see Betty Glover's picture and how > definitely Indian she looked. Have any of you heard about Indians in this > area so late as 1860's? > Love, > Julie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > > > > Julie, > > I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's > > first cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family research > > or personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys Morris > > Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister. > > And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange? > > Teresa > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > > > > > >> Theresa, > >> I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to > >> Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's > >> grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's > >> sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son of > >> Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness. You > >> can still see the stars here :) > >> Love > >> Julie > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> > >> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM > >> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > >> > >> > >>> Julie, > >>> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few times a > >>> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I can > >>> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then. > >>> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest children > >>> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course > >>> Fredericksburg was one of the stops. > >>> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, & > >>> Caroline County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my > >>> daughters is considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> > >>> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM > >>> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hey everyone, > >>>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let > >>>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the > >>>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress > >>>> actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can > >>>> find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my > >>>> direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to > >>>> William Archer Dortch. > >>>> > >>>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to > >>>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you > >>>> get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the > >>>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help > >>>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and > >>>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. > >>>> Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up > >>>> for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I > >>>> haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure > >>>> where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge > >>>> here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 > >>>> miles to the right and I'm in King George County. > >>>> > >>>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On > >>>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after > >>>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which > >>>> empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of > >>>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I > >>>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street > >>>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding > >>>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a > >>>> thing to flooding. > >>>> > >>>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 > >>>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity. > >>>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the > >>>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great > >>>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures > >>>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten > >>>> so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden > >>>> spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps > >>>> made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago. > >>>> > >>>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River. > >>>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on > >>>> the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the > >>>> world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington > >>>> kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the > >>>> silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that > >>>> was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over > >>>> 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. > >>>> There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious > >>>> minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for > >>>> foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own > >>>> first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the > >>>> buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that happens > >>>> whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) > >>>> about every 25 ye! > >>>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic > >>>> river... > >>>> > >>>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the > >>>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this > >>>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in > >>>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil > >>>> Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as > >>>> other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco > >>>> and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it. > >>>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really > >>>> strong undercurrents and tides. > >>>> > >>>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you. > >>>> Love > >>>> Julie > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > >>>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web > >>>> www.poythress.net > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > >>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web > >>> www.poythress.net > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > >> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about > >> Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > > www.poythress.net > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net >

I had never heard of it, until Marlene told me, but I asked my mother and two dentists and they said it is very true. Indians teeth are often different that "white people". Their canine's may be one group of teeth further back, and often they have one or two less teeth than white's. I've heard there's several different patterns. My great grandpa one 1/8th Indian and I think his teeth are different. Dentists can look and see teeth and like Marlene said, some of her family were asked by dentist if they were Indian because their teeth were in a different pattern. Before blood tests I hear it was a way of Identifying whether a person really was really Indian. That's all I know on this subject! I find it interesting though. Love, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "koswcartist" <koswcartist@socal.rr.com> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Pleasant Hill > Curiousity...what do you mean by an indian tooth pattern. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:27 AM > Subject: Pleasant Hill > > >> I found Marlene in a round about way. I got the death certificate for > James >> Lundy Clary. It told he was buried in Old Pleasant Hill Christian church. > I >> wondered hopefully if his wife Betty Glover was buried beside him. I saw > the >> church had a web site, and I emailed the pastor and asked if by chance > Betty >> was buried beside him. He said she indeed was, and that Marlene a member > of >> the congregation would be kin to me then, and gave me her contact info. > Last >> July I went to visit her and she took me to the church so I could take >> pictures of the Clary/Glover stones to share with my family. I saw the >> Poythress stones there, but I had just run out of film. So I told Barbara >> I'd go back this summer and take pictures to make available for this >> list. >> >> Marlene said she had a relative who knew more about Clary questions I > asked, >> and I wonder if it was you that sent Clary answers to her for me. So I'll >> have to go back and reread her letters. >> >> One amazing thing to me is that Marlene said she grew up being told they >> were Indian from the Glover family and that they have a different teeth >> pattern like the Indians. I was curious, and already have a little >> Indian >> pride in, even though I am extremely pale and sunburn easy :). >> I saw her picture and was so surprised! She had thick beautiful long >> black >> Indian hair and there was no doubt she looked Indian. She is the only > Glover >> generation we have a picture of. I asked people from other Glover >> branches >> and they had heard rumors of being Indian too. And they had heard rumors. >> Sadly back then though, you had to hide being Indian and "live white" so > you >> didn't get put on a reservation. I do have a Cherokee gr.... grandma in >> another part of my family not connected to Mecklenburg. Even though we > have >> no other records for this grandma, because she had to hide her identity, > I'm >> glad she was able to live the life she chose rather than one that the >> government chose for her. >> >> Betty Glover married to James Lundy Clary has 4 other siblings. One is >> another Rehoboth church family, Christine "Minnie" Glover married to > Charles >> Tudor. Also two brother that moved to and lived in Lunenburg County. > Richard >> and Oliver. These are all children of Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd >> (John B. Kidd's daughter and sister in law to Virinda Jones) For some of > you >> not so familiar with this area, the families all criss cross a lot. And > this >> is Foxhall Poythress, Kidd, Cannon, Jones and Gray neighborhood even >> still >> today. >> >> So I was really quite shocked to see Betty Glover's picture and how >> definitely Indian she looked. Have any of you heard about Indians in this >> area so late as 1860's? >> Love, >> Julie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> >> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:55 AM >> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> >> >> > Julie, >> > I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's >> > first cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family >> > research >> > or personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys > Morris >> > Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister. >> > And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange? >> > Teresa >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> >> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM >> > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> > >> > >> >> Theresa, >> >> I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to >> >> Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's >> >> grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's >> >> sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son >> >> of >> >> Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness. > You >> >> can still see the stars here :) >> >> Love >> >> Julie >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> >> >> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> >> >> >> >> >>> Julie, >> >>> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few >> >>> times > a >> >>> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I > can >> >>> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then. >> >>> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest > children >> >>> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course >> >>> Fredericksburg was one of the stops. >> >>> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, & >> >>> Caroline County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my >> >>> daughters is considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall. >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> >> >>> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM >> >>> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Hey everyone, >> >>>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to > let >> >>>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the >> >>>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress >> >>>> actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can >> >>>> find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my >> >>>> direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to >> >>>> William Archer Dortch. >> >>>> >> >>>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to >> >>>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you >> >>>> get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in > the >> >>>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help >> >>>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and >> >>>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. >> >>>> Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed > up >> >>>> for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I >> >>>> haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure >> >>>> where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge >> >>>> here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 >> >>>> miles to the right and I'm in King George County. >> >>>> >> >>>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! > On >> >>>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days >> >>>> after >> >>>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which >> >>>> empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned > of >> >>>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but > I >> >>>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole >> >>>> street >> >>>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the > flooding >> >>>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't >> >>>> loose > a >> >>>> thing to flooding. >> >>>> >> >>>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 >> >>>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting > electricity. >> >>>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the >> >>>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great >> >>>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking > pictures >> >>>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had >> >>>> gotten >> >>>> so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden >> >>>> spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing >> >>>> traps >> >>>> made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago. >> >>>> >> >>>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River. >> >>>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on >> >>>> the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in >> >>>> the >> >>>> world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington >> >>>> kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of > the >> >>>> silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and >> >>>> that >> >>>> was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, >> >>>> over >> >>>> 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. >> >>>> There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other >> >>>> precious >> >>>> minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used > for >> >>>> foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own >> >>>> first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the >> >>>> buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that > happens >> >>>> whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like >> >>>> Fran) >> >>>> about every 25 ye! >> >>>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic >> >>>> river... >> >>>> >> >>>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel > the >> >>>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this >> >>>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in >> >>>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil >> >>>> Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets >> >>>> as >> >>>> other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing >> >>>> tobacco >> >>>> and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it. >> >>>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really >> >>>> strong undercurrents and tides. >> >>>> >> >>>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you. >> >>>> Love >> >>>> Julie >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> >>>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web >> >>>> www.poythress.net >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> >>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web >> >>> www.poythress.net >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> >> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. 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