Diana.....I have used that naming pattern "formula" just enough to find out it gets me in trouble....only safe way to me seems to go at it backwards.;..if the formula says the guys name "ought to be" Joe then you look for Joes....and if Joe doesn't pop right out toting his own "proof" just forget it. Besides, I was confused as to just what ethnic group or nationality it was supposed to apply to......several different ones have claimed "exclusive rights"; the Welsh most loudly. I'm about ready to deep six my inoperable HP Scanner after having every super-geek in the world to look at it. Lo and behold in comes this months issue of Consumer Reports giving best buy rating to a $65 Agfa jobbie that also has OCR (provided the "copy" is "type" and assuming one has sense enough to learn how to use it) which is a real plus. Also interesting that the best buy guy was only 300 dpi and CU says there is not a nickels worth of difference that the average eye can tell. Part of my xerox collection out of W&M Quarterly are four or five 5-page studies from Dr. Hall titled, for example, "A Study of the William Poythresses". As we have discovered, Dr. Hall's studies are often flawed by his lack of information available in the quantity we have it. However, it strikes me that these will open some doors for us. Soon as I can get cranked up I'll start on it, having finished off the PG in Clayton. Maynard