I guess it has escaped me in the past that the Poythress family and submarines have a long history. I entered--Poythress submarine--into google, and it gave me the URL below, wherein a Poythress was part of the operations behind the Hunley, if I read this correctly. I used Control-F and entered Poythress on Microsoft Explorer, to find the name in a long list of names on this site: http://www.thistlegroup.net/holyloch/hunley3.htm But, Maynard, you should check out the other listings--Poythress submarine--spits out. Two pages. Some more interesting than others. In the Archives I found these two mentions of Jack and the submarine. http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/P/POYTHRESS +2000+193444850+F http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/P/POYTHRESS +1997+158292988+F Diana