Ok you two. It all makes sense, but it can drive ya crazy, when you know there is a dot somewhere and you may never connect it. I am one who has always wanted the ducks in a row and if one gets out of line I want to physically straighten him up. I think maybe I should have never started this project because so these ducks just do not want to behave. (I guess I will have to get use to disorder). My family would not believe I just said that. I have driven them crazy for 25 years , with my everything in its place syndrome. I do have a question regarding Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress for anyone who would like to bite. Has anyone ever researched surname Meredith? The reason I ask is, assuming Meredith is" possibly" a son of Martha Patsy Unknown, and the name Meredith not showing up in any other line, except Meredith Sr. and Jr. (we have oodles of James, Edwards, Thomas and so on), could it be possible that her father was a Meredith? A first born often got the surname of a Mother's father, as in the case of Cleaton Poythress who got surname Cleaton, as his first name. It is just a thought (still trying to get those ducks in a row, Ah! will I ever be able to get use to the clutter!!!!) Elaine