Hi Bellinda.....I'm going to suggest we dance away from this topic as leading nowhere. I wish (once again) I had never brought it up. Last trip we were arguing race, apparently we have at least stepped up in class to "history." Would that the Madoc legend were true. Unfortunately, the vote is virtually unanimous that "Anthropologists have rejected these (claims) as fantastic" per Encyclopaedia Britannica. There are guys across the Ohio R. at the falls of the Ohio who claim even today to have evidence Madoc even showed up here. Sort of like a 12th century Elvis if one were cynical about it. However, it's going to take more than a UDC marker to convince me, as sacrosanct as I view that organization in another context. As for the "Elizabethan" reference in the report being "an error", that probably needs to be disregarded in today's world. For several centuries now virtually any English not modern gets lumped under the heading "Elizabethan"...the rule must have been something like "if you don't understand it, it's Elizabethan." In point of facts, post-Victorian is what they speak now, preceded by Elizabethan in 17th century, preceded by middle English (Chaucer who is unreadable to 99.9% of modern Americans), preceded by Old English (Beowulf, the Domesday Book, etc.), practically a foreign language but "old English." If Madoc did get here in the 12th century he would have spoken Welsh or one of its myriad dialects.. At that precise point in time the Welsh would have been long since driven west back into Wales by the invading Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians plus a few Scandinavians (meanwhile those guys all having been more or less conquered themselves by the Normans 1066).. In fact the very term "Welas" means foreigner, something of the utimate insult to the "original" natives. Since no one but the Welsh understand Welsh, the reporters could very well have believed it to be "Elizabethan English." I'm afraid I need more proof before I pick up that snake, but for the sake of equinamity, I'll concede there is an awful lot of smoke swirling around the Madoc thing. Best, Maynard