Elaine & all, you may recall our messages last summer regarding co-pilot Whitney F. Poythress, Jr., who died in World War II. I'm tickled to report that his sister, Patsy, has just gotten in touch with me, and she'll be in touch with Terry Row (son of the pilot) tomorrow. Patsy is fairly new with computers, but is very interested in learning more about Poythress research. I've encouraged her to subscribe to our Poythress-List and I think she will do so. Elaine, she verified that her grandparents were Simeon & Ola Poythress (She said his name is pronounced like "Simon"). She was thrilled to learn the further information that your census work revealed about Simeon: that he was a son of George W. Poythress, and that George W. was a son of David Poythress of Mecklenburg Co, VA. I told her that means she and I are distant cousins. Elaine, of course she's a distant cousin of yours, too, since your line descends from David. Back to trying to get my genie stuff organized in this new room, so I can find things that aren't on the computer <g> Barbara (or BPN, for short)

From microfilm of "Old Kentucky Grants, Volume 7" which is on film #272,821 of the Family History Library, below are my transcriptions of the 5 grants of land, in survey-date order, which composed the 4,000 acres which William Poythress received in Warrant Number 1878 (warrant dated Nov 8, 1783) for his 3 years of Revolutionary War service in the Virginia Continental Line as a Captain Lieutenant. 1797 Bk 7, p.306 James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all whom these presents shall come, Greeting: Know ye, That by virtue and in consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878 there is granted by the said Commonwealth unto William Poythress a certain Tract or parcel of Land, containing one thousand acres by Survey bearing date the twenty third day of February one thousand seven hundred and eighty five; lying and being in the District set apart for the Officers and Sodiers (sic) of the Continental Line, on the Waters of the Ohio near Henderson's Line and bounded as followeth Viz't. Beginning at a Sweet Gum and Hickory North West Corner to Larkin Smith's 1000 acre Survey; running South twenty nine degrees West with Smiths Line to his South West Corner three hundred and forty poles, to two white Oaks; thence North sixty one degrees W four hundred and seventy one poles to a maple and two black Gums, crossing a pond at one hundred and thirty three poles and another at four hundred poles thence North twenty nine degrees East three hundred and forty poles to two Hickories on a small drain, crossing a pond at fifty two poles, thence South sixty one degrees East four hundred and seventy one poles to the Beginning crossing a pond at two hundred and fourteen poles, and another at three hundred and two poles, and another at four hundred and sixty poles with its appurtenances To have and to hold the said Tract or parcel of Land with its appurtenances, to the said William Poythress and his heirs forever. In Witness whereof the said James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky hath hereunto set his hand and Caused the Seal of the Commonwealth to be affixed at Frankfort on on (sic) the sixteenth day of July in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety seven, and of the Commonwealth the sixth. James Garrard L.S. By the Governor Harry (surname illegible) Sec'y 1797 Bk 7, p.307 (Bpn note: the description of the boundaries of this land is such a long one that the person writing it began using the common abbreviation of a little circle above the line to indicate "degrees" Since I cannot use that abbreviation here in a pure text message to post to the List, I'll put the word "degrees" in quotation marks in each of the places where that abbreviation was used) James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all whom these presents shall come, Greeting: Know ye, That by virtue and in consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878, there is granted by the said Commonwealth unto Burwell Jackson ass'ee of William Poythress a certain Tract or parcel of Land, containing eight hundred and fifty acres by Survey bearing date the twenty ninth day of March one thousand seven hundred and ninety two; lying and being in the District set apart for the Officers and Soldiers of the Continental Line, on Coxes' Creek a branch of Gasper's River and bounded as followeth To wit: Beginning at a white Oak tree near the head of the Creek marked IC (Bpn note: the "IC" is printed rather than in the script handwriting of the remainder of the document, and midway across the "I" is another cross-bar; this seems to indicate that this mark was actually cut into the bark of the white Oak tree), running thence North five degrees West one hundred and twenty five poles to six Dogwoods, thence down the Creek binding on the hill South eighty five degrees West eighty poles to a Hickory, South seventy degrees West fifty poles to an Ash; South seventy degrees West sixty poles to an Ash; North sixty degrees West one hundred poles to an Ash; North seventeen degrees West eighty poles to a white Oak near a small drain; North 80 "degrees" West 48 poles to a white Oak; North 85 "degrees" West 50 poles to an Ash, Hickory and Elm North 60 "degrees" West 110 poles to a poplar and Dogwood; West 110 poles to a red Oak; South 70 "degrees" West 80 poles to a white Oak and three Sugar trees; South 140 poles crossing the Creek at 20 poles to an ash, Hickory and Spanish Oak; thence North 80 "degrees" East 60 poles to an Elm; South 80 "degrees" East 140 poles to a Hickory and Dogwood; South 32 "degrees" East 120 poles to a Hickory; South ten degrees East 80 poles to two Dogwoods and Sugar tree; East 80 poles to a Sugar tree, black walnut, & Spanish Oak on the East bank of a small branch, North 68 poles to a spanish Oak and two white oaks on the top of a hill; thence south 70 "degrees" East 507 poles to three white oaks; thence north 5 "degrees" West 55 poles to the Beginning, with its appurtenances To have and to hold the said Tract or parcel of Land with its appurtenances, to the said Burwell Jackson and his heirs forever. In Witness whereof the said James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky hath hereunto set his hand and caused the Seal of the Commonwealth to be affixed at Frankfort on the sixteenth day of July in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety seven, and of the Commonwealth the sixth. L.S. By the Governor James Garrard Harry (surname illegible) Secretary 1797 Bk 7, p.305 James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all whom these presents shall come, Greeting: Know ye, That by virtue and in consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878, there is granted by the said Commonwealth unto Burwell Jackson ass'ee of William Poythress a certain Tract or parcel of Land, containing one hundred and fifty acres by Survey bearing date the eighteenth day of April one thousand seven hundred and ninety two lying and being in the District set apart for the Officers and Soldiers of the Continental Line, on the Waters of little Muddy Creek and bounded as followeth Viz't: Beginning at a Hickory, Sugartree and Hackberry in a Line of a Survey of Joseph Swearingen's and a North east Corner of Burwell Jackson's Entry No.1859; running thence with Jackson's Line South fifty one degrees West one hundred and ten poles to a Sugar tree and Hickory; thence South fifty two degrees East one hundred and fifty poles to an Elm and two Sugar trees; thence North fifty one degrees East thirty poles to an Ash and two Dogwoods; thence South fifty two degreees East one hundred poles to an Ash and Spanish Oak; thence North fifty one degrees East eighty poles to a Hickory, Dogwood, and Sugar tree, in Swearingen's Line; thence with his Line North fifty two degrees West two hundred and fifty poles to the Beginning, with its appurtenances To have and to hold the said Tract or parcel of Land with its appurtenances, to the said Burwell Jackson and his heirs forever. In Witness whereof the said James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky hath hereunto set his hand and caused the Seal of the Commonwealth to be affixed at Frankfort on the sixteenth day of July in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred & ninety seven, and of the Commonwealth the sixth. L.S. By the Governor James Garrard Harry (surname illegible) Secretary 1797 Bk 7, p.14 James Garrard Esqr. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all whom these presents shall come greeting Know ye, that by virtue and in Consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878 there is granted by the said Commonwealth unto William Poythress a Certain tract or parcel of Land Containing One thousand Acres by Survey bearing date the eighth day of April One thousand Seven hundred and ninety six lying and being in the District set apart for the Officers and Soldiers of the Continental Line, on Renfrew Creek a branch of Green River and bounded as followeth To wit Beginning on the bank of the Creek about half a mile below the forks running thence South Seventy Degrees East one hundred poles to a black Gum and two white Oaks, thence South twenty degrees West four hundred poles to a poplar, white Oak & red Oak, thence North Seventy degrees West four hundred poles Crossing the Creek at two hundred and eighteen poles to a larg (sic) black Oak thence North twenty degrees East four hundred poles to a Chesnut tree, thence South Seventy Degrees East three hundred poles to the Beginning with its Appurtenances To have and to hold the said tract or parcel of Land with its Appurtenances to the said William Poythress and his Heirs forever In Witness whereof the said James Garrard Esqr. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky hath hereunto set his hand & Caused the Seal of the Commonwealth to be affixed at Frankfort on the Nineteenth day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven hundred and Ninety Six and of the Commonwealth the Fifth. L.S. By the Governor James Garrard Harry (surname illegible) Sec'y 1797 Bk 7, p.15 James Garrard Esqr. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all to whom these presents shall come greeting Know ye, that by virtue and in Consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878 there is granted by the said Commonwealth unto William Poythress a Certain tract or parcel of Land Containing One thousand Acres by Survey bearing date the ninth day of April One thousand Seven hundred and Ninety Six lying and being in the District set apart for the Officers & Soldiers of the Continental Line, on Renfrew Creek a branch of Green River and bounded as followeth To wit Beginning on the Creek near the head thereof running thence South Seventy Degrees East One hundred and eighty poles to a white Oak, thence North twenty Degrees East five hundred poles Crossing Several drains to a poplar, red Oak, and white Oak South East corner to said Poythress' Survey No.742 thence with a line of the Same North Seventy Degrees West three hundred and twenty poles Crossing the Creek at two hundred & eighteen poles to a black Gum, white Oak and three Dogwoods thence South Twenty Degrees West five hundred poles Crossing Several branches to four poplars thence South Seventy Degrees East one hundred and forty poles to the Beginning with its Appurtenances To have and to hold the said tract or parcel of Land with its appurtenances to the said William Poythress and his Heirs forever In Witness whereof the said James Garrard Esqr. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky hath hereunto set his hand and Caused the Seal of the Commonwealth to be affixed at Frankfort on the 19th day of December Anno Domini 1796 & of the Commonwealth the Fifth. L.S. By the Governor James Garrard Harry (surname illegible) Sec'y

The 4,000 acres which William Poythress received in Warrant Number 1878 (warrant dated Nov 8, 1783) for his 3 years of Revolutionary War service in the Virginia Continental Line as a Captain Lieutenant, were located as follows in the microfilm of "Old Kentucky Grants, Volume 7" which is on film #272,821 of the Family History Library. I was led to this volume of the Old Kentucky Grants thanks to the 1971 reprint of the 1925 book by Willard Rouse Jillson, "The Kentucky Land Grants: A Systematic Index to All of the Land Grants Recorded in the State Land Office at Frankfort, Kentucky 1782-1924." The title page of the book indicates that Jillson was State Geologist of Kentucky and Chairman of the Kentucky State Park Commission; Member of the American Historical Association, Mississippi Valley Historical Association, Kentucky State Historical Society, and The Filson Club. Note: This land was partially identified in a recent message about this William Poythress, in the portion of the message dealing with the 1833 Petition to the U.S. Congress by William's heirs for pay for his Revolutionary service. See the last eight paragraphs of Michael Tutor's 14 January 2006 message to this List, captioned "Lieutenant William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, Continental Army Officer, son of Joshua Poythress II, 5th Generation." From that message we see that the Will of this William Poythress, of Martin's Brandon Parish, in Prince George County, VA was dated September 2, 1794, and proved September 11, 1795. Our great List member, Michael Tutor, identified this William Poythress' wife as Mary Gilliam. Michael further said that he was born about 1753 & died October 15, 1794, and was buried October 18, 1794, in Dinwiddie County - cemetery location not specified in that message. I offer a couple of correcting notes. I think there were either a couple of typographical errors, or earlier transcription errors in the source Michael consulted, both of which were in the first line of a paragraph near the end of Michael's message, in the paragraph that begins with "No. 924, 1,000 acres. Survey for William Poythress, 1,000 acres of an part of a Military Warrant No. 1678, on Reaflers Creek, a branch of Green River..." Corrections: (1) That Military Warrant Number should be 1878 (and it is accurately mentioned as Warrant Number 1878 in the last line of that same paragraph). (2) The Creek name, as transcribed by Jillson, was Renfrow Creek. Jillson's book lists the names of the individuals to whom the surveyed land was granted; therefore it only lists 3,000 of his 4,000 acres under the name of William Poythress. When searching the above-mentioned film, I lucked into finding William Poythress' remaining 1,000 acres in two entries granting land (850 acres and 150 acres) to "Burwell Jackson assignee of William Poythress." Jillson had just listed those two grants of land under Burwell Jackson's name, along with other land Burwell Jackson was granted. As you'll see below, both of these "Burwell Jackson assignee of William Poythress" grants specified William Poythress' Warrant Number 1878. Black's Law Dictionary defines "assignee" as "a person to whom an assignment is made; grantee." Black's further notes that in Old Law, an assignee is "A person deputed or appointed by another to do any act, or perform any business." Since both the grants in which Burwell Jackson was listed as assignee of William Poythress, show the Kentucky Governor was granting the land to Burwell Jackson and his heirs forever, I take it that William must have sold his right to that 1,000 acres, rather than William having just sent Burwell Jackson instructions & legal power to get the grants for William himself. I am listing the grants here chronologically by the dates of the surveys, rather than in the chronological order of the grants themselves (which is in accordance with the page-number order from the Old Kentucky Grant book), since I learned more about William & his Kentucky land by paying attention to the survey dates when William (& his heirs & his assignee Jackson) had the land surveyed, and how those survey dates relate to the grant dates: - the first 1,000-acre portion was surveyed 8 yrs before William died; - the next 1,000 acres were surveyed in two parts (850 acres & 150 acres, granted to Burwell Jackson assignee for William) about 18 months before William died (and apparently after William had sold the land to Jackson); - the last two 1,000-acre portions of William Poythress' Warrant Number 1878 were (I was surprised to learn) not even surveyed until 18 months *after* William died. I'll put my transcriptions of the five entries from Old Kentucky Grant Book 7 (which entries give the legal description locations of the land), in a separate message I'll send after sending this message. = = Recap = = The 5 parcels of Kentucky land composing William Poythress' Warrant Number 1878, for 4,000 acres, were: 1. Surveyed 23 Feb 1785; 1,000 acres; granted to William Poythress; granted 16 July 1797; recorded in Old Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.306. 2. Surveyed 29 March 1792: 850 acres; granted to Burwell Jackson assignee of William Poythress; granted 16 July 1797; recorded in Old Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.307. 3. Surveyed 18 April 1792; 150 acres; granted to Burwell Jackson assignee of William Poythress; granted 16 July 1797; recorded in Old Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.305. 4. Surveyed 8 April 1796; 1,000 acres; granted to William Poythress; granted 19 Dec 1796; recorded in Old Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.14. 5. Surveyed 9 April 1796; 1,000 acres; granted to William Poythress; granted 19 Dec 1796; recorded in Old Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.15.

Correction to the previous message. A couple of documents may provide the answers as to who was living in "Betty" Poythress' household in 1810. The following "virtual census" is provided due to the lack of names in a census prior to 1850 when only the head of the household was listed. Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m 10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 16-25, 1 f 26-44. (Virtual census): Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William Poythress 1765-c. 1810) Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Mary Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1800 (probably the daughter of Wm. and Elizabeth Bland Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) On May 15, 1810, in the Prince George County Surveyor's record, Pursuant to an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and Peter Epes, I surveyed the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on Old Courthouse Road. William Poythress' land was called "Branchester" and Simmons branch. The Plat shows 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to William Poythress, 50 acres to Joshua Poythress and 300 acres to Thomas Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the County Surveyor. In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks, Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth Poythress for the benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress. Based upon the above, it looks like Betty became responsible for the children of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam. Betty's husband, William Poythress, of Branchester, seems to have provided for his cousin's children through the division of his property. Patrick Henry Poythress, the oldest son and child of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam was most likely living on his own plantation and married to Mary Epes. Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of William Poythress and Elizabeth Bland, married Richard Marks and lived at Branchester. The three youngest males are most likely the orphans of Hardiman Poythress as she was taking care of his infant children. It is interesting to note the surnames of Hardiman Poythress' administrator and Elizabeth Poythress' husband - "Marks." In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William Poythress, of Branchester, was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of William Poythress was further proved by Sarah Stiles.

Here's what I have on Hardiman Poythress. He is our stumbling block for the Northampton County group of Poythress. Hardyman Poythress married Elizabeth Golder in Prince George County VA 17 Oct 1789. Head of a Northampton County household of 3 free males and 2 free females in Captain Williams' District of the state census and 5 "other free" in 1790 [NC:72]. **************************************************************************************************************************** Jesse Mitchell was granted administration on his estate by the Northampton County court on only 50 pounds bond [Minutes 1792-96, 219]. **************************************************************************************************************************** Revolutionary War Records Col. W.L. Davidson’s Co 1779 Left at Hospital Hardy Poythress Bertie County minutes. Order book of Sgt. Isaac Rowell 9th Regiment Hardy Poythress, Lewis Poythress Pay Accounts Hardyman Poythress 2nd Regiment 3rd NC Regiment **************************************************************************************************************************** Estate Records 1787 Hardyman Poythress – James Sexton (Northampton County) 1789 Hardyman Poythress – Ransford Flowers (Northampton County) 1791 Hardyman Poythress – Ransford Flowers (Northampton County) *********************************************************************************************** State of North Carolina Northampton County Know all men by these presents, the we Hardimon Poythress and Seth Peebles are held and firmly bound unto his Excellency…..(illegible)……, Esq., Captain-General and Commander in chief in and over the said State, in the sun of fifty pounds, current money to be paid to said Governor, his sucessors or assigns. To the which payment, well and truly be made, we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors and administrators, jointly and severally, firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals and dated this (?) day of September, 1792. The condition of the above obligation is such, that if the above bounded Hardimon Poythress, administrator of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of John Poythress, deceased, do make, or cause to be made a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of the deceased, which have or shall come to the hands, knowledge or possession, of the said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him and the same so made, do exhibit, or cause to be exhibited to the Court of the county aforesaid within ninety days from the date of these presents and the same goods, chattels and credits ……….(illegible)……….. Said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him do well and truly administer according to law; and further do make or cause to be made a true and just account of ...Lis(?)… said administration within two (?) months after the date of these presents and all the rest and residue of the said goods, chattels and credits, which shall be found remaining upon the said administrat account, the same being first examined and allowed by the court of the said county, shall deliver and pay unto such person or persons, respectively, to which the same shall be due, pursuant to the true intent and meaning of the act in that case made and provided; and if it shall appear that any will or testament was made by the said deceased and the executor or executors therein named do exhibit the same into court, making request to have the same allowed and approved of accordingly, if the said Hardimon Poythress above bounden, being thereunto required, do tender! the said letters of administration (approbation of such testament, being first had and made in the said court) then this obligation to be void and no effect, otherwise to remain in full force and virtue. Signed and sealed in presence of his ? Joyner Hardimon (X) Poythress Mark Seth Peebles *Seth Peebles married Julie Ann Peters. **************************************************************************************************************************** Poythress Estate records Estate of John Poythress, Northampton County, North Carolina (c. 1779) Mentions: Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Hardimon Porthress C the Worshipful the Justices of Northampton County Court The Petition of Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Edmund Hathcock & Anritta his wife & Newman Hathcock & Winifred his wife humbly sheweth that John Poythress the husband of your petitioner Mary & Brother of your Petitioners Temperance Anritta, Nanny & Winifred being entitle to pay as a Soldier from the public to the amont value of one hudred pounds & upward departed this live some time in the year 1778 or 1779 Intestate His Brother Hardimon Porthress of the said County obtained Letters of Administration of his Estate in your Worships Court about June Court Last past whereby he became intitled to and has actually received from the public the pay and arrages (?) of pay due to the intestate as aforesaid, and notwithstanding Your Petitioners have frequently in a friendly manner requested the said administrator to pay and deliver to them their respective parts. & shares of the said Estate so received by him as aforesaid to wit one half to your petioner Mar! y the widow & one seventh part of the residue thereof to each of your other Petitioners the said intestate having left no chid & seven Brothers & Sisters, Yet the said administrator has always evaded or refused to comply with such reasonable requests. Wherefore as your Petitioners are without redress except before you Worships agreeably to the Act of the General Assemly in such case made proided. May it lease your Worship to grant to your petitiners your Writ of Subpeoena summoning the said Hardimon Poythress before your Worships to answer upon his Corporal Oath the promises (?) as fully as if the same were herien again particularly interrogated (?) & refuted (?) And that your Petitioners may have such releif in the prim(?) the Equity and Justice of their Case may intitle them to & they will pray so B. Baker Att for pett **************************************************************************************************************************** -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Tutor <badbichon@earthlink.net> >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 3:45 PM >To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Hardiman Poythress > >The following seems to be the only records that have been found for the >several Hardiman Poythress men. There is so little information that we will >have to wait until further records are located to identify any relationship >between them and other relatives. > > >Hardiman Poythress (-c. 1810) > >The following Hardiman Poythress died in or around about 1810 and Elizabeth >Poythress, the widow of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), evidently cared >for his orphaned children. > >Note: Only heads of households were named in the censuses before 1850. The >following censuses are a version of "virtual censuses" naming the >individuals that should have been in the household based upon available >information and family records, etc. > >Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m >10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44. >(Virtual census): >Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William >Poythress 1765-c. 1810) >Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly >son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) >Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son >of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) >Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly >daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) >William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly >son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) >3 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 >(possibly children of Hardiman Poythress) > >In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks, >Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth >Poythress for benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress. > > >Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia > >The following Hardiman Poythress was too old to have been one of the orphans >living with Elizabeth Poythress in the 1810, Prince George County, Virginia, >census. By about 1785, Thomas Poythress, Sr., and Francis Poythress (-d. >bef. 1807) were living in Greene County, Georgia. This Hardiman Poythress >(b. bef. 1795-d. aft. 1838) was first mentioned in 1812, in Georgia, and >Joseph Poythress (1789-1853) was mentioned in 1814 in Warren County, >Georgia. Joseph Poythress named one of his sons John Hardiman Poythress >(1826-1846). > >In the War of 1812, Hardeman Paythress/Portress, was on a roster of the 2nd >Regiment (Thomas'), Georgia Militia. > >On June 27, 1826, in the Georgia Journal, Milledgeville, Georgia, "On the >first Tuesday in August next, will be >sold at the court-house in the town of Greenesborough, Greene County...the >following property, to wit: >Three negroes...all levied on as the property of Daniel Wagnon, to satisfy a >fi fa in favor of Reuben Ransom, >Sr., for the use of Jesse Perkins vs. Daniel Wagnon and John Mallery >security on stay. One bay horse, levied >on as the property of Hardaman Poythress, to satisfy a fi fa in favor of >James Woodruff & Co. (Signed) >Nicholas Howard, D. Sheriff. > >Hardiman, with its various spellings, was a Poythress given name. This >Hardiman may have been from Virginia or had a namesake there. Hardiman did >not appear in the Thomas Poythress line. > >The 1832 or "Sixth" Georgia Land Lottery was an umbrella term to cover what >was in reality the last "two" lotteries, the Cherokee land lottery and the >Gold Lottery. While legislation for these two lotteries was passed in 1830 >and 1831, both drawings were held in 1832. In the Cherokee Land Lottery, the >lands available in this lottery eventually become the counties of Cass, >Cherokee, Cobb, Floyd, Forsyth, Gilmer, Murray, Paulding, and Union. Land >lot sizes were 160 acres. The grant fee for registering the land in order to >sell it or move to it was $18.00. In the 1832 Gold Lottery, lands available >were the remaining part of original Cherokee County but was that area deemed >to have a potential to be "gold" land instead of "farm" land. The lot sizes >were fixed at 40 acres. The grant fee was the same as the land lottery: $18. >Name County Military District >District/Section/Lot Land Drawn Type >Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's >7/4/14 Cherokee Land >Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's >2/3/7 Cherokee Gold >Poythress, Hardimend Greene 143 >2/2/752 Cherokee Gold >Poythress, Sarah E. (orphan) Screven 34th >6/3/204 Cherokee Land >Poythress, Meredith Sr. Screven 36th >16/2/1078 Cobb Gold >Poythress, Meredith Jr. Screven 36th >3/3/76 Cobb Gold >Poythress, Sarah M. (widow) Chatham 1st 16/2/471 >Cobb Gold > >Joseph Poythress (1789-1853), of Troup County, is well known although his >ancestor is not. The Hardimend Poythress, of Greene County, should not be >confused with John Hardaman Poythress (1826-1846), the son of Joseph and >Mary King Poythress, of Troup County. John Hardaman Poythress would not have >met the age requirement to participate. Hardimend Poythress' winning draw >for "gold" was taken up December 22, 1835. > >On Thursday, March 14, 1833, in the Greene County, Georgia Superior Court >Minutes, in the case of John Chew versus Albert T. Green, It appearing to >the court that the property levied upon by the above attachment is of a >perishable nature, it is on motion of counsel ordered that the property be >sold and the proceeds be deposited to the clerk's office to wait the further >order of the Court. Signed: Augustus Wallace, Silas Burns, etc. etc., >Hardiman Poythress, etc. (petit jurors for the case). > > >John Hardiman Poythress (1826-1846) was the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary >King. > >John Hardiman Poythress had a younger brother named Francis Andrew >Poythress. The Francis Poythress (-d. bef. 1807), of Greene County, Georgia, >later of Hancock County, Georgia, was alive in 1805 but deceased by 1807. It >seems very likely that there was a close family relationship between Francis >Poythress and Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, and with Joseph >Poythress, of Warren County, Georgia, later of Troup County, Georgia. > >Joseph Poythress appeared in the 1820 census. John Hardiman would have been >at home in the 1830 and 1840 censuses. Francis Andrew Poythress would have >been at home in the 1840 census. > >Joseph Poythress, 1820, Warren Co., Ga., p. 305, 1 m under 10, 1 m 16-25, 1 >m 26-44, 1 f 16-25, 3 m slaves under 14, 1 m slave 14-25, 1 m slave 26-44, 1 >f slave 14-25. >(Virtual census): >Joseph Poythress b. 1776-1794 b. c. 1789 >Mary Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. June 30, 1798 >1 M 16-25 b. 1795-1804 >William B. Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1818 >[Joseph and Mary married April 24, 1814, in Warren County, Georgia]. > >Joseph Poythress, 1830, Troup Co., Ga., p. 35, 2 m under 5, 1 m 10-14, 1 m >20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 30-39, 3 m slaves under 10, 3 m >slaves 10-23, 5 m slaves 20-35, 2 f slaves under 10, 1 f slave 10-23, 3 f >24-35. >(Virtual census): >Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. c. 1789 >Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798 >1 M 20-29 b. 1801-1810 b. 1800 >William B. Poythress b. 1816-1820 b. c. 1818 >Mary Ann E. Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. c. 1822 >Russell K. Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1823 >John Hardaman Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1826 >Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1828 > >Joseph Poythress, 1840, Troup Co., Ga., p. 344, 1 m under 5, 2 m 10-14, 1 m >20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 m 50-59, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 40-49, 1 m slave >under 10, 3 m slaves 10-23, 2 f slaves under 10, 2 f slaves 10-23, 1 f slave >24-34. >(Virtual census): >Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789 >Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798 >1 M 40-49 b. 1791-1800 b. 1800 >William B. Poythress b. 1811-1820 b. abt. 1818 >Russell K. Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1823 >John Hardaman Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1826 >Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. abt. 1828 >Francis Andrew Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. April 4, 1836 >1 F under 5 b. 1835-1840 > > > >==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >Poythress Genealogy Research Web >www.poythress.net >

Here's what I have on Hardiman Poythress. He is our stumbling block for the Northampton County group of Poythress. Head of a Northampton County household of 3 free males and 2 free females in Captain Williams' District of the state census and 5 "other free" in 1790 [NC:72]. **************************************************************************************************************************** Jesse Mitchell was granted administration on his estate by the Northampton County court on only 50 pounds bond [Minutes 1792-96, 219]. **************************************************************************************************************************** Revolutionary War Records Col. W.L. Davidson’s Co 1779 Left at Hospital Hardy Poythress Bertie County minutes. Order book of Sgt. Isaac Rowell 9th Regiment Hardy Poythress, Lewis Poythress Pay Accounts Hardyman Poythress 2nd Regiment 3rd NC Regiment **************************************************************************************************************************** Estate Records 1787 Hardyman Poythress – James Sexton (Northampton County) 1789 Hardyman Poythress – Ransford Flowers (Northampton County) 1791 Hardyman Poythress – Ransford Flowers (Northampton County) *********************************************************************************************** State of North Carolina Northampton County Know all men by these presents, the we Hardimon Poythress and Seth Peebles are held and firmly bound unto his Excellency…..(illegible)……, Esq., Captain-General and Commander in chief in and over the said State, in the sun of fifty pounds, current money to be paid to said Governor, his sucessors or assigns. To the which payment, well and truly be made, we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors and administrators, jointly and severally, firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals and dated this (?) day of September, 1792. The condition of the above obligation is such, that if the above bounded Hardimon Poythress, administrator of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of John Poythress, deceased, do make, or cause to be made a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of the deceased, which have or shall come to the hands, knowledge or possession, of the said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him and the same so made, do exhibit, or cause to be exhibited to the Court of the county aforesaid within ninety days from the date of these presents and the same goods, chattels and credits ……….(illegible)……….. Said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him do well and truly administer according to law; and further do make or cause to be made a true and just account of ...Lis(?)… said administration within two (?) months after the date of these presents and all the rest and residue of the said goods, chattels and credits, which shall be found remaining upon the said administrat account, the same being first examined and allowed by the court of the said county, shall deliver and pay unto such person or persons, respectively, to which the same shall be due, pursuant to the true intent and meaning of the act in that case made and provided; and if it shall appear that any will or testament was made by the said deceased and the executor or executors therein named do exhibit the same into court, making request to have the same allowed and approved of accordingly, if the said Hardimon Poythress above bounden, being thereunto required, do tender! the said letters of administration (approbation of such testament, being first had and made in the said court) then this obligation to be void and no effect, otherwise to remain in full force and virtue. Signed and sealed in presence of his ? Joyner Hardimon (X) Poythress Mark Seth Peebles *Seth Peebles married Julie Ann Peters. **************************************************************************************************************************** Poythress Estate records Estate of John Poythress, Northampton County, North Carolina (c. 1779) Mentions: Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Hardimon Porthress C the Worshipful the Justices of Northampton County Court The Petition of Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Edmund Hathcock & Anritta his wife & Newman Hathcock & Winifred his wife humbly sheweth that John Poythress the husband of your petitioner Mary & Brother of your Petitioners Temperance Anritta, Nanny & Winifred being entitle to pay as a Soldier from the public to the amont value of one hudred pounds & upward departed this live some time in the year 1778 or 1779 Intestate His Brother Hardimon Porthress of the said County obtained Letters of Administration of his Estate in your Worships Court about June Court Last past whereby he became intitled to and has actually received from the public the pay and arrages (?) of pay due to the intestate as aforesaid, and notwithstanding Your Petitioners have frequently in a friendly manner requested the said administrator to pay and deliver to them their respective parts. & shares of the said Estate so received by him as aforesaid to wit one half to your petioner Mar! y the widow & one seventh part of the residue thereof to each of your other Petitioners the said intestate having left no chid & seven Brothers & Sisters, Yet the said administrator has always evaded or refused to comply with such reasonable requests. Wherefore as your Petitioners are without redress except before you Worships agreeably to the Act of the General Assemly in such case made proided. May it lease your Worship to grant to your petitiners your Writ of Subpeoena summoning the said Hardimon Poythress before your Worships to answer upon his Corporal Oath the promises (?) as fully as if the same were herien again particularly interrogated (?) & refuted (?) And that your Petitioners may have such releif in the prim(?) the Equity and Justice of their Case may intitle them to & they will pray so B. Baker Att for pett **************************************************************************************************************************** -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Tutor <badbichon@earthlink.net> >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 3:45 PM >To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Hardiman Poythress > >The following seems to be the only records that have been found for the >several Hardiman Poythress men. There is so little information that we will >have to wait until further records are located to identify any relationship >between them and other relatives. > > >Hardiman Poythress (-c. 1810) > >The following Hardiman Poythress died in or around about 1810 and Elizabeth >Poythress, the widow of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), evidently cared >for his orphaned children. > >Note: Only heads of households were named in the censuses before 1850. The >following censuses are a version of "virtual censuses" naming the >individuals that should have been in the household based upon available >information and family records, etc. > >Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m >10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44. >(Virtual census): >Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William >Poythress 1765-c. 1810) >Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly >son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) >Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son >of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) >Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly >daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) >William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly >son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) >3 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 >(possibly children of Hardiman Poythress) > >In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks, >Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth >Poythress for benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress. > > >Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia > >The following Hardiman Poythress was too old to have been one of the orphans >living with Elizabeth Poythress in the 1810, Prince George County, Virginia, >census. By about 1785, Thomas Poythress, Sr., and Francis Poythress (-d. >bef. 1807) were living in Greene County, Georgia. This Hardiman Poythress >(b. bef. 1795-d. aft. 1838) was first mentioned in 1812, in Georgia, and >Joseph Poythress (1789-1853) was mentioned in 1814 in Warren County, >Georgia. Joseph Poythress named one of his sons John Hardiman Poythress >(1826-1846). > >In the War of 1812, Hardeman Paythress/Portress, was on a roster of the 2nd >Regiment (Thomas'), Georgia Militia. > >On June 27, 1826, in the Georgia Journal, Milledgeville, Georgia, "On the >first Tuesday in August next, will be >sold at the court-house in the town of Greenesborough, Greene County...the >following property, to wit: >Three negroes...all levied on as the property of Daniel Wagnon, to satisfy a >fi fa in favor of Reuben Ransom, >Sr., for the use of Jesse Perkins vs. Daniel Wagnon and John Mallery >security on stay. One bay horse, levied >on as the property of Hardaman Poythress, to satisfy a fi fa in favor of >James Woodruff & Co. (Signed) >Nicholas Howard, D. Sheriff. > >Hardiman, with its various spellings, was a Poythress given name. This >Hardiman may have been from Virginia or had a namesake there. Hardiman did >not appear in the Thomas Poythress line. > >The 1832 or "Sixth" Georgia Land Lottery was an umbrella term to cover what >was in reality the last "two" lotteries, the Cherokee land lottery and the >Gold Lottery. While legislation for these two lotteries was passed in 1830 >and 1831, both drawings were held in 1832. In the Cherokee Land Lottery, the >lands available in this lottery eventually become the counties of Cass, >Cherokee, Cobb, Floyd, Forsyth, Gilmer, Murray, Paulding, and Union. Land >lot sizes were 160 acres. The grant fee for registering the land in order to >sell it or move to it was $18.00. In the 1832 Gold Lottery, lands available >were the remaining part of original Cherokee County but was that area deemed >to have a potential to be "gold" land instead of "farm" land. The lot sizes >were fixed at 40 acres. The grant fee was the same as the land lottery: $18. >Name County Military District >District/Section/Lot Land Drawn Type >Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's >7/4/14 Cherokee Land >Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's >2/3/7 Cherokee Gold >Poythress, Hardimend Greene 143 >2/2/752 Cherokee Gold >Poythress, Sarah E. (orphan) Screven 34th >6/3/204 Cherokee Land >Poythress, Meredith Sr. Screven 36th >16/2/1078 Cobb Gold >Poythress, Meredith Jr. Screven 36th >3/3/76 Cobb Gold >Poythress, Sarah M. (widow) Chatham 1st 16/2/471 >Cobb Gold > >Joseph Poythress (1789-1853), of Troup County, is well known although his >ancestor is not. The Hardimend Poythress, of Greene County, should not be >confused with John Hardaman Poythress (1826-1846), the son of Joseph and >Mary King Poythress, of Troup County. John Hardaman Poythress would not have >met the age requirement to participate. Hardimend Poythress' winning draw >for "gold" was taken up December 22, 1835. > >On Thursday, March 14, 1833, in the Greene County, Georgia Superior Court >Minutes, in the case of John Chew versus Albert T. Green, It appearing to >the court that the property levied upon by the above attachment is of a >perishable nature, it is on motion of counsel ordered that the property be >sold and the proceeds be deposited to the clerk's office to wait the further >order of the Court. Signed: Augustus Wallace, Silas Burns, etc. etc., >Hardiman Poythress, etc. (petit jurors for the case). > > >John Hardiman Poythress (1826-1846) was the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary >King. > >John Hardiman Poythress had a younger brother named Francis Andrew >Poythress. The Francis Poythress (-d. bef. 1807), of Greene County, Georgia, >later of Hancock County, Georgia, was alive in 1805 but deceased by 1807. It >seems very likely that there was a close family relationship between Francis >Poythress and Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, and with Joseph >Poythress, of Warren County, Georgia, later of Troup County, Georgia. > >Joseph Poythress appeared in the 1820 census. John Hardiman would have been >at home in the 1830 and 1840 censuses. Francis Andrew Poythress would have >been at home in the 1840 census. > >Joseph Poythress, 1820, Warren Co., Ga., p. 305, 1 m under 10, 1 m 16-25, 1 >m 26-44, 1 f 16-25, 3 m slaves under 14, 1 m slave 14-25, 1 m slave 26-44, 1 >f slave 14-25. >(Virtual census): >Joseph Poythress b. 1776-1794 b. c. 1789 >Mary Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. June 30, 1798 >1 M 16-25 b. 1795-1804 >William B. Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1818 >[Joseph and Mary married April 24, 1814, in Warren County, Georgia]. > >Joseph Poythress, 1830, Troup Co., Ga., p. 35, 2 m under 5, 1 m 10-14, 1 m >20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 30-39, 3 m slaves under 10, 3 m >slaves 10-23, 5 m slaves 20-35, 2 f slaves under 10, 1 f slave 10-23, 3 f >24-35. >(Virtual census): >Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. c. 1789 >Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798 >1 M 20-29 b. 1801-1810 b. 1800 >William B. Poythress b. 1816-1820 b. c. 1818 >Mary Ann E. Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. c. 1822 >Russell K. Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1823 >John Hardaman Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1826 >Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1828 > >Joseph Poythress, 1840, Troup Co., Ga., p. 344, 1 m under 5, 2 m 10-14, 1 m >20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 m 50-59, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 40-49, 1 m slave >under 10, 3 m slaves 10-23, 2 f slaves under 10, 2 f slaves 10-23, 1 f slave >24-34. >(Virtual census): >Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789 >Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798 >1 M 40-49 b. 1791-1800 b. 1800 >William B. Poythress b. 1811-1820 b. abt. 1818 >Russell K. Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1823 >John Hardaman Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1826 >Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. abt. 1828 >Francis Andrew Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. April 4, 1836 >1 F under 5 b. 1835-1840 > > > >==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >Poythress Genealogy Research Web >www.poythress.net >

Correction to the previous message. A couple of documents may provide the answers as to who was living in "Betty" Poythress' household in 1810. The following "virtual census" is provided due to the lack of names in a census prior to 1850 when only the head of the household was listed. Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m 10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44. (Virtual census): Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William Poythress 1765-c. 1810) Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Mary Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1800 (probably the daughter of Wm. and Elizabeth Bland Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) On May 15, 1810, in the Prince George County Surveyor's record, Pursuant to an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and Peter Epes, I surveyed the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on Old Courthouse Road. William Poythress' land was called "Branchester" and Simmons branch. The Plat shows 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to William Poythress, 50 acres to Joshua Poythress and 300 acres to Thomas Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the County Surveyor. In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks, Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth Poythress for the benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress. Based upon the above, it looks like Betty became responsible for the children of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam. Betty's husband, William Poythress, of Branchester, seems to have provided for his cousin's children through the division of his property. Patrick Henry Poythress, the oldest son and child of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam was most likely living on his own plantation and married to Mary Epes. Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of William Poythress and Elizabeth Bland, married Richard Marks and lived at Branchester. The three youngest males are most likely the orphans of Hardiman Poythress as she was taking care of his infant children. It is interesting to note the surnames of Hardiman Poythress' administrator and Elizabeth Poythress' husband - "Marks." In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William Poythress, of Branchester, was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of William Poythress was further proved by Sarah Stiles.

Correction to the previous message. A couple of documents may provide the answers as to who was living in "Betty" Poythress' household in 1810. The following "virtual census" is provided due to the lack of names in a census prior to 1850 when only the head of the household was listed. Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m 10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44. (Virtual census): Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William Poythress 1765-c. 1810) Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1800 (probably the daughter of Wm. and Elizabeth Bland Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) On May 15, 1810, in the Prince George County Surveyor's record, Pursuant to an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and Peter Epes, I surveyed the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on Old Courthouse Road. William Poythress' land was called "Branchester" and Simmons branch. The Plat shows 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to William Poythress, 50 acres to Joshua Poythress and 300 acres to Thomas Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the County Surveyor. In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks, Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth Poythress for the benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress. Based upon the above, it looks like Betty became responsible for the children of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam. Betty's husband, William Poythress, of Branchester, seems to have provided for his cousin's children through the division of his property. Patrick Henry Poythress, the oldest son and child of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam was most likely living on his own plantation and married to Mary Epes. Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of William Poythress and Elizabeth Bland, married Richard Marks and lived at Branchester. The three youngest males are most likely the orphans of Hardiman Poythress as she was taking care of his infant children. It is interesting to note the surnames of Hardiman Poythress' administrator and Elizabeth Poythress' husband - "Marks." In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William Poythress, of Branchester, was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of William Poythress was further proved by Sarah Stiles.

A couple of documents may provide the answers as to who was living in "Betty" Poythress' household in 1810. The following "virtual census" is provided due to the lack of names in a census prior to 1850 when only the head of the household was listed. Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m 10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44. (Virtual census): Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William Poythress 1765-c. 1810) Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) 1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly child of Hardiman Poythress) On May 15, 1810, in the Prince George County Surveyor's record, Pursuant to an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and Peter Epes, I surveyed the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on Old Courthouse Road. William Poythress' land was called "Branchester" and Simmons branch. The Plat shows 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to William Poythress, 50 acres to Joshua Poythress and 300 acres to Thomas Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the County Surveyor. In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks, Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth Poythress for the benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress. Based upon the above, it looks like Betty became responsible for the children of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam. Betty's husband, William Poythress, of Branchester, seems to have provided for his cousin's children through the division of his property. As to Elizabeth Poythress, who married Richard Marks, and was the daughter of Betty and William Poythress, she was most likely married by 1810. Patrick Henry Poythress, the oldest son and child of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam was most likely living on his own plantation and married to Mary Epes. The three youngest males are most likely the orphans of Hardiman Poythress as she was taking care of his infant children. It is interesting to note the surnames of Hardiman Poythress' administrator and Elizabeth Poythress' husband - "Marks." In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William Poythress, of Branchester, was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of William Poythress was further proved by Sarah Stiles.

The following seems to be the only records that have been found for the several Hardiman Poythress men. There is so little information that we will have to wait until further records are located to identify any relationship between them and other relatives. Hardiman Poythress (-c. 1810) The following Hardiman Poythress died in or around about 1810 and Elizabeth Poythress, the widow of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), evidently cared for his orphaned children. Note: Only heads of households were named in the censuses before 1850. The following censuses are a version of "virtual censuses" naming the individuals that should have been in the household based upon available information and family records, etc. Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m 10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44. (Virtual census): Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William Poythress 1765-c. 1810) Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress) 3 M under 10 b. 1800-1810 (possibly children of Hardiman Poythress) In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks, Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth Poythress for benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress. Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia The following Hardiman Poythress was too old to have been one of the orphans living with Elizabeth Poythress in the 1810, Prince George County, Virginia, census. By about 1785, Thomas Poythress, Sr., and Francis Poythress (-d. bef. 1807) were living in Greene County, Georgia. This Hardiman Poythress (b. bef. 1795-d. aft. 1838) was first mentioned in 1812, in Georgia, and Joseph Poythress (1789-1853) was mentioned in 1814 in Warren County, Georgia. Joseph Poythress named one of his sons John Hardiman Poythress (1826-1846). In the War of 1812, Hardeman Paythress/Portress, was on a roster of the 2nd Regiment (Thomas'), Georgia Militia. On June 27, 1826, in the Georgia Journal, Milledgeville, Georgia, "On the first Tuesday in August next, will be sold at the court-house in the town of Greenesborough, Greene County...the following property, to wit: Three negroes...all levied on as the property of Daniel Wagnon, to satisfy a fi fa in favor of Reuben Ransom, Sr., for the use of Jesse Perkins vs. Daniel Wagnon and John Mallery security on stay. One bay horse, levied on as the property of Hardaman Poythress, to satisfy a fi fa in favor of James Woodruff & Co. (Signed) Nicholas Howard, D. Sheriff. Hardiman, with its various spellings, was a Poythress given name. This Hardiman may have been from Virginia or had a namesake there. Hardiman did not appear in the Thomas Poythress line. The 1832 or "Sixth" Georgia Land Lottery was an umbrella term to cover what was in reality the last "two" lotteries, the Cherokee land lottery and the Gold Lottery. While legislation for these two lotteries was passed in 1830 and 1831, both drawings were held in 1832. In the Cherokee Land Lottery, the lands available in this lottery eventually become the counties of Cass, Cherokee, Cobb, Floyd, Forsyth, Gilmer, Murray, Paulding, and Union. Land lot sizes were 160 acres. The grant fee for registering the land in order to sell it or move to it was $18.00. In the 1832 Gold Lottery, lands available were the remaining part of original Cherokee County but was that area deemed to have a potential to be "gold" land instead of "farm" land. The lot sizes were fixed at 40 acres. The grant fee was the same as the land lottery: $18. Name County Military District District/Section/Lot Land Drawn Type Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's 7/4/14 Cherokee Land Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's 2/3/7 Cherokee Gold Poythress, Hardimend Greene 143 2/2/752 Cherokee Gold Poythress, Sarah E. (orphan) Screven 34th 6/3/204 Cherokee Land Poythress, Meredith Sr. Screven 36th 16/2/1078 Cobb Gold Poythress, Meredith Jr. Screven 36th 3/3/76 Cobb Gold Poythress, Sarah M. (widow) Chatham 1st 16/2/471 Cobb Gold Joseph Poythress (1789-1853), of Troup County, is well known although his ancestor is not. The Hardimend Poythress, of Greene County, should not be confused with John Hardaman Poythress (1826-1846), the son of Joseph and Mary King Poythress, of Troup County. John Hardaman Poythress would not have met the age requirement to participate. Hardimend Poythress' winning draw for "gold" was taken up December 22, 1835. On Thursday, March 14, 1833, in the Greene County, Georgia Superior Court Minutes, in the case of John Chew versus Albert T. Green, It appearing to the court that the property levied upon by the above attachment is of a perishable nature, it is on motion of counsel ordered that the property be sold and the proceeds be deposited to the clerk's office to wait the further order of the Court. Signed: Augustus Wallace, Silas Burns, etc. etc., Hardiman Poythress, etc. (petit jurors for the case). John Hardiman Poythress (1826-1846) was the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary King. John Hardiman Poythress had a younger brother named Francis Andrew Poythress. The Francis Poythress (-d. bef. 1807), of Greene County, Georgia, later of Hancock County, Georgia, was alive in 1805 but deceased by 1807. It seems very likely that there was a close family relationship between Francis Poythress and Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, and with Joseph Poythress, of Warren County, Georgia, later of Troup County, Georgia. Joseph Poythress appeared in the 1820 census. John Hardiman would have been at home in the 1830 and 1840 censuses. Francis Andrew Poythress would have been at home in the 1840 census. Joseph Poythress, 1820, Warren Co., Ga., p. 305, 1 m under 10, 1 m 16-25, 1 m 26-44, 1 f 16-25, 3 m slaves under 14, 1 m slave 14-25, 1 m slave 26-44, 1 f slave 14-25. (Virtual census): Joseph Poythress b. 1776-1794 b. c. 1789 Mary Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. June 30, 1798 1 M 16-25 b. 1795-1804 William B. Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1818 [Joseph and Mary married April 24, 1814, in Warren County, Georgia]. Joseph Poythress, 1830, Troup Co., Ga., p. 35, 2 m under 5, 1 m 10-14, 1 m 20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 30-39, 3 m slaves under 10, 3 m slaves 10-23, 5 m slaves 20-35, 2 f slaves under 10, 1 f slave 10-23, 3 f 24-35. (Virtual census): Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. c. 1789 Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798 1 M 20-29 b. 1801-1810 b. 1800 William B. Poythress b. 1816-1820 b. c. 1818 Mary Ann E. Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. c. 1822 Russell K. Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1823 John Hardaman Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1826 Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1828 Joseph Poythress, 1840, Troup Co., Ga., p. 344, 1 m under 5, 2 m 10-14, 1 m 20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 m 50-59, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 40-49, 1 m slave under 10, 3 m slaves 10-23, 2 f slaves under 10, 2 f slaves 10-23, 1 f slave 24-34. (Virtual census): Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789 Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798 1 M 40-49 b. 1791-1800 b. 1800 William B. Poythress b. 1811-1820 b. abt. 1818 Russell K. Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1823 John Hardaman Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1826 Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. abt. 1828 Francis Andrew Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. April 4, 1836 1 F under 5 b. 1835-1840

Hi Julie, Thanks so much for your info from this Mecklenburg Co, VA chancery case, William L. Portress (Poythress) & Exr. or Nancy Thomas 1880-030CC. This is one of the Chancery Court cases that, back in August 2001, we had only a little part of. Appreciate you reviewing the full 80 pages & letting us know the gist of the whole thing. Yes, I'd appreciate you emailing me the full copy of the will of Nancy House Thomas, wife of William Bennett Thomas. Cheers, Barbara bp_neal@earthlink.net

I went to Library of VA today and found another chancery article with Poythress in it. I don't remember seeing it on the website, so just in case I'll sent you the jist of it. In his deposition he tells he was a Confederate. This is regarding Mecklenburg Co., VA chancery case: On the index it says: William L. Portress & Exr. or Nancy Thomas 1880-030CC Throughout the case he is listed as "Poythress" The file was probably 80 pages, so I only copied a few pages and read through it. Here's just a summary and genealogical info from the case: If it helps anyone, to place the location of this family, William Bennett Thomas' brother Robin Thomas lived on Nelly Jones Rd. (Blackridge/Bracey area) ____________________________________________ William Poythress sues executor of Nancy Thomas estate. Nancy House was the wife of William Bennett Thomas. William L. Poythress says Nancy was his grandmother, and he wasn't getting his inheritance. There is about 50 pages of witnesses, stating how the property value was depleted and Confederate currency no longer valid, so heirs can't get what was originally promised. Included in this chancery is the will of Nancy House Thomas. (If interested in full copy of will, let me know and I'll email it) Nancy and William Bennett Thomas had a daughter named Lucy J. Thomas who married Thomas M. Poythress. In the will Lucy's name is spelled "Lucie J. Poythress" _______________________________________ Will states: " I bequeath to my Lucie J. Poythress all the Ran (??) cotton I now have to her and her heirs forever.....I bequeath to my grandson William L. Poythress all the remainder of mine estate whether it consists of money, bonds, accounts or other property to him and his heirs forever." Dec 1864 It appears the finances were adjusted to compensate for loss of value and a new amount figured to be owed to William. The last thing I wanted to share I found really interesting. It's an interview with William Poythress. Here it is in it's entirety: _____________________________________________________________________________ "The deposition of William L. Poythress taken before me this November 3rd, 1879 to be read as evidence in behalf of himself, deff. in a certain matter of account referred to me for settlement by a decree of the circuit court of Mecklenburg at it's June term 1879 in the chancery case of Poythress Vs. Riggan, Exr etc. Present AS (?) Lee attorney for deff. " RT Thorp attorney for deft. "WL Poythress being duly sworn testifies and says___ "1st Question by Defts atty What was the relationship of the testatrix (?), Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas, to you, who its appeared died in this county Dec 1864? Ans She was my grandmother. "2nd question by same "Where were you at the time of her death and in what kind of service were you at that time engaged? Ans I was in the Confederate Army at Petersburg in Company "D" 44th VA Battalion- 3rd question by same State any conversation you may have had with the defendant EH Riggin Ex'or of Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas, at or about what time that conversation occurred and what statement the said defendant then made to you in regard to the amount in his hands as such Ex'or and how much he stated was in his hands and due to you from him as Ex'or as aforesaid? Ans I went to Dr Riggins in 1866 about the last of July or first of August and he told me he hadn't settled up the estate exactly yet. He thought when he did settle up there would be something coming to me-He said there might be between three or four hundred dollars coming to me as far as he knowed, but he couldn't tell until he had settled it up. (Julie's note: The words "4th question" was written then crossed out, but the question itself was not crossed out.) "Did you understand Dr. Riggan as stating at the time mentioned ie in July or August 1866, a sum of money between three and four hundred dollars and that that sum was due to you as legatee under the will of Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas "Note Question excepted to because it is plainly a leading question and therefore not a proper one to be asked by Deffs counsel- Ans I understood him to say between three and four hundred dollars and I took it for granted that there would be something due me after he settled it up though I did not know how much. 5th Question by same State in what manner you understood the statement made to you by the defendant EH Riggan, as to the amount of money he owed you as legatee in the will of Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas? Ans Well I didn't understood any amount as due-He said there might be some three or four hundred dollars coming to me as far as he knowed. He couldn't tell until after he settled up the estate. And further desponent saith not. WL Poythress (Julie's note: he signed his name) This desposition was subscribed and sworn to before me this 3rd November 1879. CJ Faulkner, commnr

So it seems, Barbara, but no one in the family knew who these people were or why we had the picture. Well, I guess it does mean a cousin connection, Maynard. Well I thought it was a interesting little tid bit. Regards, Teresa

Hi Pat, Good to hear from you. Yes, your guess is correct, that your brother would have no Poythress Y-DNA. Guys inherit the Y-DNA of their fathers & on back up their paternal line. Thanks for thinking about it, though. Barbara

Barbara, I have considered entering my brother before but his surname is not Poythress. His lineage would be: William & Julia Poythress of Greensville Co, VA Edward O'Neal & Martha Poythress Jospehine O'Neal & Charles Johnson him So I am guessing based on your lines at the bottom of your email, that he/we would get nothing out of this DNA test since he does not have the surname Poythress and is actually 3 generations removed from it. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: DNA Study update > Dear Poythress-List & DNA Study participants, > > This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara > Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study. > > More participants now: > > Our Study now has 13 participants. The test kits from the 2 most recent > participants have just been received back at FamilyTreeDNA; those 2 kits > will be sent to the lab within the week. Both men are getting the > 37-marker tests, and the company indicates that those test results require > about 6 weeks. > > One of these newest participants, Lee, is from the line of "Jack" Fredrick > Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think is descended from James R. > Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder. > > The other newest participant, John, is in England (where the surname is > consistently spelled Poytress). He is descended from John, who, in the > early 1600s, owned Ploddy House at Newent, Gloucestershire. Our > participant is descended through John's son, Christopher Poytress, who was > christened 1616. Christopher's elder brother was "our Francis" who was > christened 1609, and who came to Virginia by 1632 -- about 375 years ago. > > Thus the closest potential "ancestor-in-common" was born more than 400 > years ago. I'm quite interested to see how similar/different the results > will be. > > Other updates: > > The re-examination of the 12-marker test for Victor (first cousin of BPW) > clarified that all 12 of his markers exactly matched those of most of our > other Study participants. You may recall that initially one of his 12 > markers, #393, showed up as having one fewer "repeat" than the other > Poythress men who had then been tested, so we asked that his #393 be > re-examined. The re-examination confirmed that Victor's reading was > "14" -- same as the other participants on #393. > > However, the long-awaited re-examination of a marker for Neil, our > known-descendent of Lewis Poythress, who lived in Virginia from about 1771 > to about 1847) did not have that result. On one of Neil's first 12 markers > (#439) from his 37-marker test, it was finally confirmed that indeed his > reading on #439 is "12" while our other participants' readings on it are > "13" -- indicating that Neil had one fewer "repeat." > > As markers mutate, they repeat themselves one more time. *When* they do so > is random. This marker (#439) is one of the markers having a faster > mutation rate. I don't pretend to be a scientist, so I cannot explain the > logic that Neil's marker #439 has *not* mutated while the other > participants' has. Still surprising to me. Guess that the random nature of > the mutations is the reason. > > There are some other differences in our various participants' readings > beyond those first 12 markers. As we get more participants in the Study, > the groupings of men whose readings are similar to each others' will give > us more insight, especially when we compare what we know about their lines > of descent. > > Thanks again to each of you who are participating in our Y-DNA Study. > Other men who are surnamed Poythress or Poytress (or similar spellings) > are welcome to participate. The website of the company where our Study is > registered is www.familytreedna.com Much information is available there > regarding DNA and DNA testing. > > Cheers, > Barbara Poythress Neal > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net >

Thanks for the update Barbara. Judy > > From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> > Date: 2006/02/01 Wed PM 06:19:47 EST > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: DNA Study update > > Dear Poythress-List & DNA Study participants, > > This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara > Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study. > > More participants now: > > Our Study now has 13 participants. The test kits from the 2 most recent > participants have just been received back at FamilyTreeDNA; those 2 kits > will be sent to the lab within the week. Both men are getting the > 37-marker tests, and the company indicates that those test results > require about 6 weeks. > > One of these newest participants, Lee, is from the line of "Jack" > Fredrick Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think is descended from James > R. Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder. > > The other newest participant, John, is in England (where the surname is > consistently spelled Poytress). He is descended from John, who, in the > early 1600s, owned Ploddy House at Newent, Gloucestershire. Our > participant is descended through John's son, Christopher Poytress, who > was christened 1616. Christopher's elder brother was "our Francis" who > was christened 1609, and who came to Virginia by 1632 -- about 375 years > ago. > > Thus the closest potential "ancestor-in-common" was born more than 400 > years ago. I'm quite interested to see how similar/different the results > will be. > > Other updates: > > The re-examination of the 12-marker test for Victor (first cousin of > BPW) clarified that all 12 of his markers exactly matched those of most > of our other Study participants. You may recall that initially one of > his 12 markers, #393, showed up as having one fewer "repeat" than the > other Poythress men who had then been tested, so we asked that his #393 > be re-examined. The re-examination confirmed that Victor's reading was > "14" -- same as the other participants on #393. > > However, the long-awaited re-examination of a marker for Neil, our > known-descendent of Lewis Poythress, who lived in Virginia from about > 1771 to about 1847) did not have that result. On one of Neil's first 12 > markers (#439) from his 37-marker test, it was finally confirmed that > indeed his reading on #439 is "12" while our other participants' > readings on it are "13" -- indicating that Neil had one fewer "repeat." > > As markers mutate, they repeat themselves one more time. *When* they do > so is random. This marker (#439) is one of the markers having a faster > mutation rate. I don't pretend to be a scientist, so I cannot explain > the logic that Neil's marker #439 has *not* mutated while the other > participants' has. Still surprising to me. Guess that the random nature > of the mutations is the reason. > > There are some other differences in our various participants' readings > beyond those first 12 markers. As we get more participants in the Study, > the groupings of men whose readings are similar to each others' will > give us more insight, especially when we compare what we know about > their lines of descent. > > Thanks again to each of you who are participating in our Y-DNA Study. > Other men who are surnamed Poythress or Poytress (or similar spellings) > are welcome to participate. The website of the company where our Study > is registered is www.familytreedna.com Much information is available > there regarding DNA and DNA testing. > > Cheers, > Barbara Poythress Neal > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > >

Dear Poythress-List & DNA Study participants, This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study. More participants now: Our Study now has 13 participants. The test kits from the 2 most recent participants have just been received back at FamilyTreeDNA; those 2 kits will be sent to the lab within the week. Both men are getting the 37-marker tests, and the company indicates that those test results require about 6 weeks. One of these newest participants, Lee, is from the line of "Jack" Fredrick Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think is descended from James R. Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder. The other newest participant, John, is in England (where the surname is consistently spelled Poytress). He is descended from John, who, in the early 1600s, owned Ploddy House at Newent, Gloucestershire. Our participant is descended through John's son, Christopher Poytress, who was christened 1616. Christopher's elder brother was "our Francis" who was christened 1609, and who came to Virginia by 1632 -- about 375 years ago. Thus the closest potential "ancestor-in-common" was born more than 400 years ago. I'm quite interested to see how similar/different the results will be. Other updates: The re-examination of the 12-marker test for Victor (first cousin of BPW) clarified that all 12 of his markers exactly matched those of most of our other Study participants. You may recall that initially one of his 12 markers, #393, showed up as having one fewer "repeat" than the other Poythress men who had then been tested, so we asked that his #393 be re-examined. The re-examination confirmed that Victor's reading was "14" -- same as the other participants on #393. However, the long-awaited re-examination of a marker for Neil, our known-descendent of Lewis Poythress, who lived in Virginia from about 1771 to about 1847) did not have that result. On one of Neil's first 12 markers (#439) from his 37-marker test, it was finally confirmed that indeed his reading on #439 is "12" while our other participants' readings on it are "13" -- indicating that Neil had one fewer "repeat." As markers mutate, they repeat themselves one more time. *When* they do so is random. This marker (#439) is one of the markers having a faster mutation rate. I don't pretend to be a scientist, so I cannot explain the logic that Neil's marker #439 has *not* mutated while the other participants' has. Still surprising to me. Guess that the random nature of the mutations is the reason. There are some other differences in our various participants' readings beyond those first 12 markers. As we get more participants in the Study, the groupings of men whose readings are similar to each others' will give us more insight, especially when we compare what we know about their lines of descent. Thanks again to each of you who are participating in our Y-DNA Study. Other men who are surnamed Poythress or Poytress (or similar spellings) are welcome to participate. The website of the company where our Study is registered is www.familytreedna.com Much information is available there regarding DNA and DNA testing. Cheers, Barbara Poythress Neal

Barbara, Thanks. Hope something good comes from it......Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:21 AM Subject: Michael's great VA Poythress compilations > Michael - thank you so much for all the tremendous postings you've done > of compilations of documents for the various early Poythress men. This > is an amazing amount of work you've done, that will be a great help to > us for a long time to come. > Barbara > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > >

Michael - thank you so much for all the tremendous postings you've done of compilations of documents for the various early Poythress men. This is an amazing amount of work you've done, that will be a great help to us for a long time to come. Barbara

Guardian of William Poythress On March 13, 1739, in the Prince George County court, on the complaints of William Poythress, one of the orphans of John Poythress, of Jordan's, deceased, who was bound as apprentice to Robert Simpson, of this county, for misusage and which complaints appeared to be just the said William was discharged from the apprenticeship and chose Charles Irby, his guardian, who had time until the next court to appear and give bond and security. Property: Land (Possibly William Poythress, son of John Poythress, Jr., (c. 1681-1724), as he was to have 400 acres bought for him as per his father's Will). On March 24, 1735, William Poythress, Gentleman, was granted 400 acres near Sapponi Chappel, in Prince George County, adjoining Robert Bolling, by the side of the Nottaway River Road, crossing Stephen's Branch. On September 25, 1746, John Wagnon, 576 acres, in Prince George County, on the south side of Stoney Creek, adjoining Robert Bolling, the land purchased of William Poythress, by the side of the Nottoway River Road, 400 acres part thereof being formerly granted unto William Poythress by our letters patent bearing date March 24, 1734, the right and title of which the 400 acres has become vested in John Wagnon, and 176 acres the residue never before granted. [note: Poythress appears frequently hereafter in the Wagnon family as a middle name; even into Burke and Green Counties, Georgia]. On September 8, 1753, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William Poythress, of Bertie County, purchased 100 acres on Jumping Run adjacent to John Harrell. On December 8, 1755, in Bertie County, North Carolina, Peter Hays and wife, Bether [Butrice?], sold 100 acres to Thomas Hays for £10 on the south side of Cashy Swamp. The witnesses were William Poythress, George Vann and John Bryan. On October 21, 1756, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William Poythress, of Bertie County, in North Carolina, and wife, Sarah, sold 100 acres to Matthew Turner, of Bertie County, in North Carolina, adjoining Gristock, over Jumping Run in the fork, adjoining John Harrell, to the first station, it being out of a deed granted to Thomas Page, the said deed bearing date 1753. Sarah Poythress, the wife of William Poythress, freely surrendered all her right of dower. The witnesses were Henry Averet and George House. On December 16, 1756, in Bertie County, North Carolina, Edward Boyd and wife, Abigale, of Society Parish, sold 200 acres to Samuel Jobe for £16, land granted Barnaby Bryant, December 13, 1755. The witnesses were William Poythress and James Abington. On October 9, 1764, William Poythress, of Hertford County, sold 140 acres, in Bertie County, between the lines of William and Thomas Outlaw. In February, 1764, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William Poythress was ordered to serve on the grand jury. The same court allowed him to keep a tavern at his dwelling house. In June, 1765, in Bertie County, North Carolina, he won a judgement for £6, 5 shillings, against William Bryan in the Bertie County court. In December, 1768, William Poythress made a Northampton County deed of gift of household goods to Richard Outlaw for affection he had for Rachel Outlaw. In 1779, William Poythress was taxed on 150 acres in the 4th District of Hertford County, North Carolina. (Hertford County was formed in 1759 from parts of Bertie, Chowan and Northampton Counties). In 1779, William Poythress appeared in Hertford County, North Carolina. In 1782, William Poythress was taxed on 200 acres in the 4th District of Hertford County, North Carolina. In 1787, William Poythress appeared in Freemans District, Bertie County, North Carolina. This may be the son of William and Sarah Poythress, and the grandson of John Poythress, Jr.: Bertie County, North Carolina, Marriage Bond: September 27, 1785. William Poythress and Anna Lewis. Henry Averett.