Heck I am a star and didn't even know it. I will be so glad when I can get back to work. I sure miss my genealogy but I keep up with all that the rest of you are doing. If these doctors ever figure what is wrong with me everybody better watch out because I will hit the Poythress Site like a Cyclone!!!!! Take care, Elaine Elaine, you're in the BIG TIME, gal. Your NC census data is No. 1 on new (presumed) rival for Google, "Accoona." Maynard

Several of you asked me today if I knew "when the Mecklenburg County, Virginia Heritage Book will come out & what it will sell for?" so I called today to ask Frances Clark, who's coordinating the book, putting all the stories in order to send to the publisher. It's targeted for delivery late this year. They extended the deadline for submission of articles until April 20th because so many people are now getting their cousins to also submit articles, to help extend the info on their family line further. For example, she's had more than 20 articles submitted by members of the Morris family, which will do an amazing job of pooling their family info. So folks, *please* send in just a 500-word (or fewer) article on whoever was your Poythress line's connection to Mecklenburg County -- It will help to flush-out some other folks who know something about your particular line & about the lines who married into your Poythress line. (Thanks Julie for submitting your articles; they may well result in some info to help on your line) Articles must be typed, double-spaced, and *every* word counts toward that 500-word limit, so you *can't* write a lot. That is shorter than the first 8 paragraphs of this email! In that few words, you can tell who "he" was; & tell when he lived & who & where he married. Tell who his kids were; and when & where he &/or his offspring moved when they left Mecklenburg. If you have space in the 500-word limit, tell who his kids married & in what states & counties his offspring have ended up to date. Then if you still have space to do so, tell who you think his parents were (or who you know they *weren't* for that matter). That's it. Come on, Maynard, Sarah, Lyn, and everyone -- you can do this. At the end of your article, be sure to put your name & city & state, and the number of words in the article. Then give a very brief statement of your sources for the info, such as: "Sources - personal knowledge; census records; tax records" You should also attach a list at the back of your article of all the family members' names in your article, to be sure they'll be indexed. Submitting an article entitles you to have one free photo included (It could be of someone who descended from "him"). The photo will be promptly mailed back to you in the self-addressed stamped envelope you should enclose with the photo (with your name & address on back of the photo) and with the typed copy of your article. Whether or not you submit an article, if you want to order a copy of the book you should do it now while the pre-publication price is still in effect; it *will* be higher after the books go to print. And they may run out of extra copies they order (That happened this year to another heritage book I submitted info to, re my mother's family line). The Mecklenburg Heritage books are targeted for late-2006 delivery. The pre-publication price is $62.00 (includes UPS shipping in the lower 48 states) & this price is good until they send the material to the publisher, which will be soon after April 20th. To order, send her your $62 check PAYABLE to Mecklenburg County Heritage Book MAIL your ck & your name & street address (no PO Boxes for UPS), to: Mecklenburg County Heritage Book c/o Southside Virginia Genealogical Society 984 Camp Road South Hill, VA 23970

I mentioned some Poythress people, only because I don't personally have much info on them. I wrote about James B. Jones family, mentioning Anna Ella Jones married to William Lewis Poythress. And their son Foxhall Poythress. I also wrote about William Archer Dortch married to Sarah Poythress and their children. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Mecklenburg Co, VA Heritage Book update > I'm curious to hear from List members who else has contributed articles > about their Poythress heritage for the upcoming Mecklenburg County > Heritage Book? I did, and I know BPW did, but apparently they got more > Poythress articles than just ours. So I'd love to hear from you, to see > which lines will be represented in it. > > Thanks, > Barbara (BPN) > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net >

Elaine, you're in the BIG TIME, gal. Your NC census data is No. 1 on new (presumed) rival for Google, "Accoona." Maynard

I'm curious to hear from List members who else has contributed articles about their Poythress heritage for the upcoming Mecklenburg County Heritage Book? I did, and I know BPW did, but apparently they got more Poythress articles than just ours. So I'd love to hear from you, to see which lines will be represented in it. Thanks, Barbara (BPN)

Howdy, After reading some of the Wall info on your site, I did a search of my extensive:) CD collected from the web, records. I keep everything on CD:) I am a name-collector, but I am a good one! I have found over a hundred family searchers:) This is the info I found for wall. Later, dan bunch tx Source is; Wright Electronic Genealogy Project ' P.O. Box 692446 ' ' Houston, TX 77069-2446 VIRGINIA 1704 Rent Rolls Wall Henry Prince George County, 1704 Wall Jno Prince George County, 1704 Wall Joseph Jun Surry County, 1704 Wall Joseph Surry County, 1704 Mallard Poynes James City County 1704 Bunch John Parish of St. Peters and St. Paul, 1704 Bunch Paul King William County From Gibson Family Research Paper done by Stephen D. Gibson "I believe this is the Gibson who married Chief Cornstalk (Logan) daughter. Chief Logan is the Indian who addressed the Continental Congress and brought the Assemblage to tears (about white man treatment of Chief Cornstalk's tribe). John Gibson went west but later returned to and died in Carter County, Virginia. Had no issue." Father: Robert Gibson the Great b: 1710 in Cork County, Ireland Mother: Isabella Fortune b: 1710 Marriage 1 Daughter of Chief Cornstack (Logan)Children None (Dan NOte: walls in this decendancy:) 2 Margaret "Maggie" BUFFALO PAINTED LODGE + Isadore SANDERVILLE + Aleck MARCEAU 3 Aleck MARCEAU b: ABT 1863 + Lone Woman + Minnie GUARDIPEE + Theresa WALL b: ABT 1870

Thanks to Carol Morrison, I recently got 3 tif files showing the WPA Historical Inventory record (from microfilm at the Library of Virginia) of the Cleaton Bible, which I've transcribed below. What great resources we all have access to today, thanks to the Virginia WPA Historical Inventory Project that was sponsored by the Virginia Conservation Commission under the direction of its Division of History, back in the 1930s. Thomas Cleaton (born 1836) was the first owner of the Bible which was copyrighted 40 yrs later. I don't know for sure whether his mother, obviously listed many years after her birth, may have been the sister-in-law of my James Edward Poythress, or not. "Nannie" versus "Nellie." You may recall that James Edward Poythress' wife, Catherine Preston, had a sister who was listed on my family's copy of the Poythress-Preston Bible record as "Nelly Preston" (born 17 Sep 1798 in Brunswick Co, VA) and with married name of "Nellie Cleaton" below her birth entry. In the marriage section the Bible shows: "Nelly Preston married John Cleaton Oct., 1822" Copies of all three pages of the original of our family's Poythress-Preston Bible record (and of my 1995 transcription of it) are at The Library of Virginia, and are accessible online as Accession #34866. If any of our List members (Lyn? Julie?) have further info on the Cleaton families mentioned in these records, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Barbara Following is the transcription by Barbara Poythress Neal (Bpn) of the Family Bible of William Jackson Cleaton, done on 8 March 2006 from tif files of the microfilm copies of the 3 pages of the WPA record. All pages of the original WPA record were typed with two handprinted additions on coversheet. Notations in square brackets are by Bpn: = = = [page 1 of 3: coversheet] Works Progress Administration of Virginia Historical Inventory County: Dinwiddie Class - [handprinted] Bibles [lined out is the typed entry "Family Bible"] [handprinted:] Cleaton Family Bible of William Jackson Cleaton [stamped:] This write-up is a part of the Virginia W. P. A. Historical Inventory Project sponsored by the Virginia Conservation Commission under the direction of its Division of History. Credit to both the Commission and W. P. A. is requested for publication, in whole or in part. Unless otherwise stated, this information has not been checked for accuracy by the sponsor. Research made by: Mamie Fraser Dinwiddie, Virginia Route #2. April 21, 1937. = = = [page 2 of 3: first page of WPA report] [typed page number:] 1. 1. Subject: Family Bible of William Jackson Cleaton. 2. Location: At the home of William Jackson Cleaton, .5 mile east of Dinwiddie, Virginia, on Route #679, thence two hundred yards south on a private road. 3. Date: 1836, earliest inscription date. 4. Owners: [1st] Thomas Cleaton from 1879 to 1905. [Bpn note: None of the W.P.A. record entries divulge why "1879" was his beginning date of ownership; the last-listed birthdate for his children is 1875, and the copyright date is 1876] [2nd] William Jackson Cleaton from 1905 to the present time. [Bpn note: Thus he was owner to at least April 21, 1937, when the W. P. A. record was made] 5. Description: Bound in brown leather, approximate size ten by twelve inches, Standard Edition of the Holy Bible containing the Old and the New Testaments and the Apocryphal writings translated from Hebrew and Greek, and carefully compared with the former translations. Published by Bradley Garretson & Company, 66 North Fourth Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Copyright date 1876. This Bible has been well preserved and is in good condition. 6. Historical Significance: Thomas Cleaton, son of John & Nannie Susan Preston Cleaton, was born August 7, 1836. Louisa R. Chambliss, wife of Thomas Cleaton, was born May 5, 1838. The first birth was given [sic] to a son, James Buford, May 11, 1865. Etta Lee Cleaton, daughter of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R. Chambliss, his wife, was born July 6, 1866. Nellie Susan Cleaton, daughter of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R. Chambliss, his wife, was born February 31 [sic], 1868. Addie Lavina Cleaton, daughter of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R. Chambliss, his wife, was born October 24, 1869. William Jackson Cleaton, son of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R. Chambliss, his wife, was born May 11, 1871. Thomas Robert Cleaton, son of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R. Chambliss, his wife, was born March 15, 1875. = = = [page 3 of 3: second page of WPA report] [typed page number:] 2. 7. Art: [blank space] 8. Sources of information: Family Bible of William Jackson Cleaton.

Barbara...catching up on old mail. Here is a paste from my records on Hester's children. The original ledger book was supposedly at one time in the Georgia archives; at any rate they say they "think" it was there and shamefacedly now say if it was there they have lost it. More likely if it was there they sold it; believe or not an institution charged with keeping records has periodic sales to the public of material they deem appropriate to sell. I'm inclined to give the information below some degree of credibility. Two of the birth dates are confirmed to the extent the 1850 Screven census can be believed and it is one of the more dependable ones. And I have it from a Wilder researcher down there that other Wilder birth dates from the "ledger book" check out also. Hester, of course, being the wife of Meredith Poythress, Sr. Despite the disparity in ages this one looks to fit. Batchelor Meredith, Sr. at 50+ looks to be an easy mark for young Hester, recently widowed and a couple of illegitimates on her hands to boot..she needs support and she's likely a pretty young thang to Meredith, Sr. Just to pull a speculation out of the air because it looks so logical, I'd take a guess that those children living with Hester in the 1850 census may be the orphans of George W. Poythress who simply leaves no records of any kind that I have found (in Georgia at any rate). John White Poythress (Bud's ancestor) is present and accounted for in all the censuses, as is also Isaac Edmond Poythress who is killed in a construction accident working on fortifications in the Savannah harbor during the war (per widow's pension application and CSA payroll and muster cards). The paste: Appears now a piece of serendipitous and contemporaneous evidence, likely albeit not proved. In 1794 a Burke County record book with remaining blank pages was sold to one Harry Wilder who then records daily business transactions in it. Later, son Isaac Wilder inherits the book and uses it for more varied purposes, one of which is to record the births of various Wilder family members. Listed are the names and birthdates of Hester Wilder Mock's children by Meredith Poythress, Sr.: George Washington Poythress b. 13 Jan 1819 John White Poythress b. 13 Jan 1821 Henrietta Poythress b. 7 Dec 1823 Sarah Edwards Poythress b. 14 Nov 1826 Issac Edmond Poythress b. 28 May 1828 [d. 29 Jun 1862] Maynard

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to wit: 24 year old Lt. George Dixon, commander of the CSS Hunley, who undertook and achieved an historic and noble mission 142 years ago this month...to wait many, many years to receive heartfelt honors from the nation he was defending.. Hunley's historic return Thousands welcome Confederate sub home August 2000 Like an injured dolphin hanging in a rescue sling, the submarine H.L. Hunley rose safely from the sea Tuesday and returned to Charleston, escorted by an armada of boats eager to accompany the long-lost Confederate sub home. "It's a treasure, and we got it all," proclaimed National Park Service diver Dr. Dave Conlin. "It's a piece of world history. It's the granddaddy of all submarines." "I'm numb - just numb," added author Clive Cussler. "Everybody assured me that this thing would go like clockwork, and it did." The Hunley broke the ocean's surface at 8:39 a.m. after a tense, one-minute pause when it hung suspended in its lift cables, barely 10 feet off the bottom. But after the crane operator got the final "OK go," up it came, marking the successful recovery of the world's first attack sub - a vessel so daring it helped render wooden navies obsolete. "What an emotional day. I can't describe how I feel," said Paul Mardikian, the French archaeologist who will treat and restore the sub and its artifacts for the next seven years. "If I don't cry today, it's incredible," he said. With a national audience watching on TV and thousands of South Carolinians following from shore, the recovery closed a story five years in the making. In May 1995, a dive team funded by Cussler said it found the sub, solving the first riddle of the elusive stealth weapon. Since then, it has become an object of worship by both Confederate faithful and maritime historians. What those lucky enough to get a glimpse of the Hunley on Tuesday saw was something resembling a giant cigar encrusted in a thick coating of corrosion and marine growth. 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Alas, I have found that many of the original record books in the court houses no longer exist, and haven't for a very long time. What one will often find in the courthouse is a transcription (or even a second transcription of the first transcription) of the original - for those very old records. In general I've found that the LDS films represent about the oldest versions of records (sometimes the LDS people were able to locate, and film, an older version, or transcription, than what one will find in the actual court house version. And just to add to the confusion on "versions," occasionally one will find - if you dig hard enough - that the LDS was not the only one who made film copies. The LVA, for example, has some films that did not come from LDS copying. In such cases it's always a challenge to try to figure out which is the oldest, or most near the original, version. I think it's this transcription of a transcription, etc., phenomenon that may be the source of some of the differences being discussed. For what it's worth to this discussion... Lou Poole -----Original Message----- From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:06 AM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings This is solely the opinion of an "older" genealogist. The only true way to get information correct is to go, in person, to the Court House and transcribe or copy, personally, the original record book. This requires a solid background on knowledge of the original Virginia immigrants' names and their spelling. However, I am not sure that in today's world, one would be given access to the original record books. Fortunately, in many cases, years ago, I had the opportunity to do just that regarding my Wynne family information. You all are doing a great job! Deloris Wynne-Riley

This is solely the opinion of an "older" genealogist. The only true way to get information correct is to go, in person, to the Court House and transcribe or copy, personally, the original record book. This requires a solid background on knowledge of the original Virginia immigrants' names and their spelling. However, I am not sure that in today's world, one would be given access to the original record books. Fortunately, in many cases, years ago, I had the opportunity to do just that regarding my Wynne family information. You all are doing a great job! Deloris Wynne-Riley -----Original Message----- From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:39 AM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings You know, it remains a constant mystery how I can transcribe stuff off of a roll of microfilm and then find someone/anyone coming up with not only some totally new material and/or even contradictory material rarely. Did someone "splice" the microfilm? Did the clerk make more than one copy? (no way). Did I really miss this much? I guess it has to be the last....but the CC County stuff is a real puzzler. There is just no way I could have missed that much stuff. I'm concluding that it's one of life's mysteries but will resolve to take about twice as long to scan any new microfilm I transcribe. <g> Maynard -----Original Message----- From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:56 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings Thanks, Maynard. From the appearance of Ayres' book of transcribed abstracts, with his Additions & Corrections (catching her typos, mainly) in the back of it, I sort of figure both of them must be longtime Virginia researchers. Bradley's Note at the beginning of his May 16, 1971 Additions & Corrections reads: "These additions and corrections are the result of a careful comparison by the author of the printed text and a microfilm of the original order book, which is quite legible. A review of the printed book by this author appears in the April, 1969 issue of "The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography" on page 214. Only instances of omission and incorrect reading of persons' names have been included. Minor errors in transcription such as Gilley for Gilly, Roland for Rowland and incorrect amounts of tobacco paid, etc. have been ignored, as the printed text should only be used as a guide to the original order book." ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

You know, it remains a constant mystery how I can transcribe stuff off of a roll of microfilm and then find someone/anyone coming up with not only some totally new material and/or even contradictory material rarely. Did someone "splice" the microfilm? Did the clerk make more than one copy? (no way). Did I really miss this much? I guess it has to be the last....but the CC County stuff is a real puzzler. There is just no way I could have missed that much stuff. I'm concluding that it's one of life's mysteries but will resolve to take about twice as long to scan any new microfilm I transcribe. <g> Maynard -----Original Message----- From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:56 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings Thanks, Maynard. From the appearance of Ayres' book of transcribed abstracts, with his Additions & Corrections (catching her typos, mainly) in the back of it, I sort of figure both of them must be longtime Virginia researchers. Bradley's Note at the beginning of his May 16, 1971 Additions & Corrections reads: "These additions and corrections are the result of a careful comparison by the author of the printed text and a microfilm of the original order book, which is quite legible. A review of the printed book by this author appears in the April, 1969 issue of "The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography" on page 214. Only instances of omission and incorrect reading of persons' names have been included. Minor errors in transcription such as Gilley for Gilly, Roland for Rowland and incorrect amounts of tobacco paid, etc. have been ignored, as the printed text should only be used as a guide to the original order book." ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

<g> amen, Maynard, one of life's mysteries. Probably the difference is between you/any of us "scanning" for Poythress, versus the pro who is reading every word for abstracting all the entries. Thanks again so much for all your great work on tackling these things. Barbara

Barbara: All corrections and additions made per below. Just wonder who was Frank E. Bradley, Jr. to come out of the woodwork with those additions/corrections in 1971? I wouldn't begin to question his credibility; just how we missed so much the first time. Maynard -----Original Message----- From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:45 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings Referring to Maynard's great Word document that he has made available to us via the CD of info he has prepared, I have found these additional Poythress listings (and a Flowerdew Hundred listing) in the Charles City County, Virginia Order Book of 1676-1679, and a few minor corrections that I'll try to clarify. My comments will be in square brackets. Spelling here is as it was transcribed by abstractor & compiler Margaret McNeill Ayres, 1968: Order Bk p.173 [I offer just clarification on this one, since the date was given in Maynard's document as "00,00,1676" This page appears in the midst of info from the Jun 1677 Court at Westover] Action of Dr. Geo. Lee plt. and Capt. Fr. Poythress deft. referred to next court. Order Bk p.174 [still the Jun 1677 Court at Westover] The action of Jno. Coggan plt. and Allen Jenkings deft. is dismissed. Peter Field plt. against the estate of Wm. Jenkings, decd, attachment upon a horse by order 16 April last, sd. horse appraised by Jas. Wallis, Jno. Poythress & Roger Reese and valued at 1000 lbs tob. But Jenkings was indebted to Field for 1368 lbs. tob. Judgm. granted unto Field on the horse also for 368 lbs. tob. Order Bk p.191 [13 Sep 1677 Court at Westover] Jno. Finley aged 24 years deposes that about 16th of Sept. 1666 last he was among a group brough[t] to Nevet Wheeler's in Martin Brandon. All put in confinement and urged to join the rebels. Refusing he was continued in confinement longer became ill and was dismissed. Referred to a jury, Mr. Thos. Cocke, foreman: Mr. Jas. Gunn: Mr. Wm. Randolph: Mr. Sampson Ellis: Mr. Tho. Hamlin: Mr. Jno Mayton: Mr. Jno. Poythress: Mr. Rich. Pace: Mr. Thos. Gregory: Mr. Jno. Marshall: Mr. Henry Burton: Mr. Jno. Hamlin. Order Bk p.205 [14 Sep 1677 Court at Westover] Mr. Thos. Blayton as atty. of Mr. Jno. Sadler plt. presents that Henry Preston deft. as for himself and as Extr. of Thos. Stevenson dec'd both have forcibly entered and used a parcel of land of 50 acs. belonging to John Sadler and for 26 years kept him from its possession. Damage asked for 4000 lbs. tob. and restitution of the land. Referred to a Jury: Mr. Wm. Randolph, foreman: Mr. Hen. Burton: Mr. Thos. Hamlin: Mr. Jas. Gunn: Mr. Jno. Hamlin: Mr. Jno. Mayton: Mr. Jno. Poythris: Mr. Henry Blanks: Mr. Thos. Gregory: Mr. Robt. Bolling: Mr. Jno. Marshall: Mr. Wm. Harrison. The Jurors return their verdict. Order Bk p.210 [15 Sep 1677 Court at Westover] Pres. Sept. 15. Coll. Edw. Hill: Maj. Jno. Stith: Mr. Jno. Drayton: Capt. Fran. Poythris Order Bk p.231 [19 Nov 1677 Court at Westover] Upon pet. of Jno. Leigh showing that he came into the county a servant to Capt. Thos. Mallory for the term of 4 years, and having served 2 years longer than by the agreement he being sold by Capt. Mallory to Mr. Jno. Poythris who yet claims a longer time of service. The court having considered a certificate from the Corp. of Virginia produced for 4 years it is ordered that Jno. Leigh remain with Mr. Mallory until the next court when Mr. Poytress & Capt. Mallory may appear & show reason for his longer service; if no reason sd. Leigh to be free. Order Bk pgs. 236: 237: 238 [19 Nov 1677 Court at Westover] Where as at the death of Jno Barker of Flowerdew hundred all the tract of land known as Flowerdew hundred did descend to Sarah then the wife of Richard Taylor, dec'd, and now the wife of Robt. Lucy, and to Elizabeth the wife of Phillip Lymbry, sister and co-heir with the sd. Jno. Barker who since sd. Barker's decease have held the land in co-partnership at incovenience to themselves and detriment of the land. Now the sd. Lucy & wife and the sd. Lymbry & wife do wish the land divided and have appealed to the court by mutual consent. Coll. Robt. Winn & Lt. Coll. Geo. Jordan are empowered by court order dated 3 Apr. 1677, to do so. Jas. Minge, surveyor, has been instructed to lay out the bounds dividing sd. Flowerdew hundred into two equal parts, the north land bordering the James River and Macock's land belonging to Dorothy, wife of Hubbert Farrel; the other being a line of stakes parting the sd. Flowerdew hundred in two parts. The south part is bordered by the east side of James River by Flowerdew hundred Creek, by Macock's and by the above line of stakes. A plan was drawn of the two halves, these 2 plans framed, put into a hat, a child drew them out and gave one showing the north part to the sd. Robt. Lucy & Sarah, his wife, and the south part to Phillip Limbry and Elizabeth, his wife, the parties having agreed to abide by the division & the drawing. 4 April 1673. Wit: Robt. Wynn Thos. Liggon Jas. Minge Thos. Blayton [Correction regarding Order Bk p.287: In the back of the volume of transcriptions by Ayres that I consulted at the DAR Library in Washington, DC, is a 13-page list of "Additions and Corrections" by Frank E. Bradley, Jr. dated May 16, 1971. That list corrects the date which was mis-typed as 1687, to the correct year of 1678. Thus this entry should read as follows:] Order Bk p.287 Court at Westover 15 April 1678 Pres: Coll. Jno. Epps: Maj. Jno. Stith: Mr. Thos. Grandon: Mr. Fra. Poythress: Capt. Dan'l Lewellen. Order Bk p.287 cont'd [15 April 1678 Court at Westover] Admin. is granted Mrs. Eliz. Mallory on the estate of Capt. Thos. Mallory her dec'd husband. Capt. Fra. Poythres, security. Order Bk p.300 [cont'd 3 June 1678 Court at Westover, apparently after a coffee break or lunch, there was a change in the justices present from the ones shown on p.299, which Maynard had listed:] Present: Mr. Thos. Grendon: Maj. Jno. Stith: Coll. Jno. Eppes: Capt. Poythres: Mr. Ber. Sykes: Capt. Dan Lewellin. Order Bk p.320 [15 Aug 1678 Court at Westover] Court adjourns for 1 hour. [and the justices were then joined by Poythress who was not there earlier that day] Present: Coll. Hill: Coll. Clark: Mr. Sikes: Mr. Grendon: Maj. Stith: Capt. Poythress. Order Bk p.340 [4 Dec 1678 Court at Westover] Pres: Coll. Edw. Hill: Mr. Bern Sikes: Mr. Dan'l Clark: Capt. Poythres: Mr. Jno. Stith: Mr. Blayton: Mr. Tho. Grendon: Mr. Batt. [Correction re entry shown by Maynard for p.349 -- the entry he listed re tax collection is actually on p.350. Following was the entry for p.349:] Order Bk p.349 [6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover] [authorized payment] To Maj. Poythres for 2 coroner's fees - 200 Order Bk p.350 [cont'd 6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover] Ord. that Maj. Fra. Poythres collect [taxes] Jordan's Par. with Thomas Blayton & Coll. Jno. Epps security Order Bk p.350 [cont'd 6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover. Here I think this is a listing first of the tax/tithe that Francis owed, perhaps for the collections he made at Jordan's, minus his salary and payment due to him for a cask] Maj. Fra. Poythres, Collector at Jordan's To 93 at 51 1/2 per head --- 4789 for cask & salary ---------- 956 [net after subtracting:] 3833 Order Bk p.374 [minor correction to give date: 3 April 1679 Court at Westover] Maj. Poythress declares that he imprest a cow valued at 450 lbs. tob. from John Hughson for use of soldiers. Certificate granted to the Assembley. ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

Thanks, Maynard. From the appearance of Ayres' book of transcribed abstracts, with his Additions & Corrections (catching her typos, mainly) in the back of it, I sort of figure both of them must be longtime Virginia researchers. Bradley's Note at the beginning of his May 16, 1971 Additions & Corrections reads: "These additions and corrections are the result of a careful comparison by the author of the printed text and a microfilm of the original order book, which is quite legible. A review of the printed book by this author appears in the April, 1969 issue of "The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography" on page 214. Only instances of omission and incorrect reading of persons' names have been included. Minor errors in transcription such as Gilley for Gilly, Roland for Rowland and incorrect amounts of tobacco paid, etc. have been ignored, as the printed text should only be used as a guide to the original order book."

Barbara...my take is below. Actually, I'm fairly confident that ALL 3 references below are to the death of Francis 4, ("Major") Francis Poythress, d. 1688. Here is the entry I have made on the data base which I'll be happy to amend if anyone has a better view: 3 Apr 1694 From a work titled "80% Heaven Bound: Deaths and Burials in Charles City County, Virginia" compiler S. B. Tyler notes the death of Capt. Ffran. Poythres prior to a court date of 1661 "who left his land to son John" and cites an entry from Charles City County's "Will and Deed" Book, 1692-94 fragment referencing a 3 Apr 1694 "letter of attorney." (note: while it is indeed likely that the referenced Capt. Ffran. Poythres died prior to 1661, it appears more likely that the "late" entry involved in this mention is actually Capt. Poythres' son "Major" Francis Poythress who died about 1688. The qualifier "left his land to his son John" is not a determinant since each Francis had a son named John and insofar as is known, the will of neither Francis Poythress exists. Capt. Francis Poythres led an expedition against the Indians in 1647 into what became Northumberland County and is recorded in 1649 as a Burgess of that county. The last recorded presence of Capt. Francis Poythres [Poythers] is receiving a settlement from the estate of one Thomas Sedgraves 20 Sep 1651 in Northumberland County (N. Co. Record book 14, p. 9). There is no known evidence to suggest that he ever returned to Charles City County and his death is not known to be recorded ). -----Original Message----- From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:40 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Francis Poythress deaths - correction A correction is needed in part of my 17 Feb 2006 message, captioned "Some Charles City Co, VA burials & burial sites" I inadvertently combined info 2 Francis Poythress deaths. I should have better separated them, as did the compiler of the book, "80% Heaven Bound: Deaths & Burials in Charles City County, Virginia" compiled by Sherry Brown Tyler for the Charles City County Historical Society. Note: In looking at these now, I wonder if Tyler might have made an editing error in including these 3 citations for the first death, [my suggestion is that she did indeed make an error but it was hanging all 3 citations on Francis 0 when all 3 likely belonged to Francis 4 "Major"]however since I haven't studied the 3 sources she mentions, I cannot clarify why/whether the 3 are sources of the death of the first Francis. If any of you have studied these 3 sources, and find any error here, please let me know: Tyler noted on her p.404, the death of Capt. Ffran. Poythres prior to court date of Apr 1661, who left his land to son John, and she gave these sources re his death: - "Will & Deed Book, 1692-1694 fragment: 3 Apr 1694, mentioned in letter of attorney" - "Court Orders, 1687-1695: Maj. Fra. Poythress - 8 Jan 1688, administration, with will annexed, granted to Rebecca, widow (date may be death date or meeting held at house on this date) - Dr. Ja. Tubb later granted judgment against estate "for phyusical means administered in his last sickness" - "Will & Deed Book, 1692-1694, fragment: Francis Poythress - 30 Oct 1693, mentioned in power of attorney as deceased." Tyler noted on her p.412, the death of Maj. Fra. Poythress prior to the court date of 8 Jan 1688, and she mentions only the second of the above-cited sources, re action taken following his death: - administration, with will annexed, granted to Rebecca, widow (date may be death date or meeting held at house on this date) - Dr. Ja. Tubb later granted judgment against estate "for phyusical means administered in his last sickness" Thanks for any further clarification anyone can offer. Barbara o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/

Barbara, re the below, I have corrected as noted: -----Original Message----- From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:22 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Additions to 1680-1691/92 Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings More new additions (& minor correction) to Maynard's great list of Charles City County, Virginia documents. These are from Weisiger's "Charles City County, Virginia Court Orders 1687-1695 With A Fragment of a Court Order Book for the Year 1680." I recall Maynard talking with me about the fact that he found discrepancies between two different versions of Benjamin Weisiger's transcriptions, and him consulting with Weisiger's son, Minor, who works in the Library of Virginia. The differences were something Minor said would have to be studied. I haven't heard any "rest of the story" so suspect that study has not yet been completed. Minor showing little enthusiasm for such a job, I cobbled the two lists together and reconciled the entries as appeared practical. Actually, aside from minor issues of timing, none of the contradictions were of consequence. Below I offer additions from the version I'm examining, which did not appear in Maynard's listing. My notations are in square brackets. 1680 Fragment [minor correction: in the text of this item, Maynard had a typo and put "1689" where it should be "1680" Note that since this was recorded in Feb 1680, we now refer to the date as Feb 1680/81] [corrected 19 Feb 2006] [These next 2 entries are on pages not many pages after the one Maynard listed for p.361 on 3 Aug 1691, involving Geo. Woodleiffe and Jno. Poythress. By the dates on these next two entries, these would appear to be from the same February court date as the ones Maynard has regarding Rebecca Poythress and a deed for land, both of which are shown as being on "p.150." However, the transcription I'm looking at does not have those 2 entries he found, and I don't see these next 2 entries in his listing. Confused? Join the club.] [the page numbers for these two entries were clearly out of sequence; I recorded them in the order they appeared on the microfilm, even though numbered out of sequence, and let it go at that] p.385 Court at Westopher [sic] 3rd February 1691 [thus 1691/92]In suit of Cha. Bartholomew, assignee of Mrs. Rebecca Poythress, agst James Denson, and deft. not appearing, an order is granted agst Sherr, for £10 p.390 A Court at Westopher [sic] for Charles City 3rd March 1691 [thus 1691/92]Judgement granted Charles Bartholmew, assignee of Mrs. Rebecca Poythress, agst James Denson for £6 [the two entries above added to database 19 Feb 2006]

Found another error in one of my own comments added in my 17 Feb message captioned "More Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings" which had info from Benjamin B. Weisiger III's "Charles City County, Virginia Records 1737-1774 (With Several 17th Century Fragments)" I had forgotten that the old-style dates, before 1752, are now shown with double years *only* for the part of the year between 1 January and 25 March (Had erroneously been thinking it was April, rather than March) Thus the following is the corrected version of this entry: From what Weisiger states is a "Fragment of a Will & Deed Book 1692-1694" [an entry Maynard had included with the Court Order Book items] p.185 Whereas a letter of attorney, bearing date ____ London appointed me, Richard Tibbott, Mariner, to be attorney for Thomas Crane to receive of the heirs and Executors of Francis Poythress, late of Charles City Co. in Va., dec'd, £10 with interest, I substitute Capt. Petter Perry of said county to act for me. 30 Oct 1693 Wit: Richard Blande, Hugh Davis Signed: Richard Tibbott Recorded 3 April 1694

<groan> a typing error: the first Poythress mention I gave substituted "9,156" for what should have been "p.156" Corrected: 1834, Charles City Co, VA DB 8, p.156 [from Heaven Bound] The first Poythress mention in the book is in describing a known burial location, at St. Thomas Episcopal Church...