Maynard, re the thoughts & questions in your message earlier today: - Glad to hear you anticipate soon having available to mail out, Michael's compilations melded into one along with a "completed" Meredith line..." I personally hope that your Meredith portion will fully address what all can be (and cannot be?) concluded re Hester from sources - No, FamilyTreeDNA has not made any statement re the 59-marker test being their final one they will develop. It may well be the final one many of our participants will take part in, but the company will no doubt continue to refine their work as the DNA field progresses (As you may recall, they are the company working with National Geographic on the worldwide genographic study). - I unfortunately must clarify for you that I do *not* have the expertise to write a "soup to nuts formal paper outlining what we have found to date" on our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study. My email that I'll send the List soon (for you to incorporate if you wish in the CD) on findings to date will basically rehash what I've already reported. That email will be more complete regarding only the first 12-markers, since that test level is the one that ALL 13 of our participants have done so far. 12 of our 13 participants are almost completely identical on those first 12-markers. - In a couple of months we should have 59-marker test results for at least 11 of those mostly-identical 12 participants. It would not be beneficial for our participant in Haplogroup A to order that test since so many of the initial 37 markers are different anyway from those of the other 12 Study participants. (I still haven't heard from one of the descendants of William E. Poythress of Georgia, so don't know if he will order the 59-marker test.) When we get the 59-marker results, it will be a lot easier for me to even write anything trying to relay info, versus trying right now the impossibility of comparing various folks' 12-marker tests, some 25-marker tests, and some 37-marker tests in any sort of coherent message. - The tutorial by FamlyTreeDNA regarding DNA for genealogy purposes is located at the following part of their website: http://www.familytreedna.com/tutorial_A.html - The English participant (descended from Christopher Poytress) test results is one of the 59-marker tests we're awaiting now. His 37-marker results will be mentioned in my rehash message today. - I personally regard the Porteous DNA (that Doug Porteous wrote about the other day), as clarifying that *probably* folks named Porteous are not just different-spelling cousins of folks named Poythress. I say "probably" because his is only one test-sample and it's hard to conclude anything if his is for any reason different from a bunch of other Porteous folks' DNA. - For your question re Portis results, see my rehash message to be out probably tomorrow (Too much computer-use for my arms already today). Oh, and I don't offhand recognize the name of Delphy who you mention, by the way. - re your last section on "some kind of mental block" -- The concept of probabilities & odds is certainly one part of all this DNA stuff that I find difficult to fully grasp, never having studied such statistical stuff in college. I'm just a volunteer at all this, no statistician and certainly no scientist <g> In my message of 9 April, my *intended* point (versus however it ended up reading) was *not* that descent from Francis would become more likely with the 59-marker tests, but rather that the 59-marker tests will give more clear definition of a Most Recent Common Ancestor among the American participants -- descendants of David, versus of Lewis or Thomas or whoever. Hope this helps address your many thoughts. Barbara

Note from Bpn: below is a copy of what I think Maynard was asking folks today about, when he wrote: "Could we flesh out the Lewis line from where it starts in Mike's work down to our Lewis descendents? No particular hurry but it needs to be included if it can be included." I had a devil of a time finding it, since the original message from Mike on 12 Nov 2005 had no subject line. As I (Bpn) noted on 14 Nov, "I can readily confirm the dates & places you included for my ancestor James Edward Poythress (JEP), and all the info you included for JEP's descendants." I still look forward to understanding (as mentioned then) "the specific sources that led you to list Lewis' ancestors "Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)." Lewis is a good hunch for being father of James Edward Poythress, but by no means is there any source documentation of that. So, folks, if you find your own ancestor (including David Poythress & William Dortch) listed below in Michael's compilation of proposed descendants for Lewis Poythress, please furnish some feedback to the List, or to Michael personally if you prefer (badbichon@earthlink.net), and any other fleshing-out you may can offer. Thanks, Barbara (Bpn) = = = = Below compiled by Michael Tutor as of 12 Nov 2005 = = = Descendants of Lewis Poythress Generation No. 1 1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt. 1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. He married (1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles 25 Dec 1793 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Henry Edward Giles. She died Bef. 09 Apr 1802. He married (2) Rebecca B. Taylor 09 Apr 1802 in Mecklenberg County, Virginia. She was born 1780. Children of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles are: 2. i. Edward6 Poythress, b. Abt. 1798, Virginia. ii. John Poythress, b. Abt. 1800; d. Bef. 16 Mar 1818, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Children of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor are: 3. iii. James Edward6 Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863, Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. 4. iv. David Poythress, b. Abt. 1805, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. v. Rebecca L. Poythress, b. Abt. 1811, Virginia; m. Benjamin Standley, 22 Jan 1832, Mecklenberg County, Virginia. 5. vi. Sarah G. Poythress, b. 06 Jan 1814, Virginia; d. 12 Dec 1854, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. vii. Lewis Y. Poythress, b. Abt. 1819, Virginia; m. Mary C. Ferguson, 20 Jul 1846; b. Abt. 1810, Virginia. 6. viii. Thomas M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1823, Virginia; d. Jul 1891. Generation No. 2 2. Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt. 1798 in Virginia. He married Mahaley Nance 10 Oct 1828. She was born Abt. 1803 in Virginia. Children of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance are: i. Sarah A.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1832, Virginia. ii. Harriet Poythress, b. Abt. 1834, Virginia. 3. James Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and died 17 Jan 1863 in Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. He married Catherine Speed Preston 06 Feb 1828 in Brunswick County, Virginia, daughter of Joshua Preston. She was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, Virginia, and died 18 Oct 1884 in Sumter County, Alabama. Children of James Poythress and Catherine Preston are: i. Joshua Lewis7 Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 12 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama; m. Elizabeth J. Crowder, 1852, Warren County, North Carolina. ii. Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 11 Mar 1862, Charlottesville, Virginia. iii. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 26 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama. iv. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 05 Nov 1888, Binnsville, Mississippi. v. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 28 Jan 1936, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama. vi. Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 04 Aug 1843, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 10 Dec 1915, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi. vii. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 11 Apr 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi; m. Ellen Belle McKinley; b. 1851; d. 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi. viii. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 26 Aug 1920, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama. 4. David6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt. 1805 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. He married (1) Mary Speed Dortch 17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1810 in Virginia, and died Bef. 15 Mar 1838. He married (2) Sally R. Dortch 15 Mar 1838 in Warren County, North Carolina, daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1818 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Children of David Poythress and Mary Dortch are: i. Martha Jane7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1830; m. John M. Tucker, 18 Oct 1848, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. 7. ii. James Speed Poythress, b. 24 Sep 1829; d. 17 Mar 1923, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi. iii. Mary Poythress, b. Abt. 1836. Children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch are: 8. iv. George W.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. v. Charles D. Poythress, b. 15 Jul 1849, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m. India P. Tuisdale, 08 Dec 1870; b. 03 Apr 1852. vi. Lucy M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. vii. Alice M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. 5. Sarah G.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born 06 Jan 1814 in Virginia, and died 12 Dec 1854 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. She married William Archer Dortch 13 Jan 1837 in Mecklenberg County, Virginia, son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. He was born 28 Dec 1816, and died 23 Jun 1859. Child of Sarah Poythress and William Dortch is: i. Oliver Jasper7 Dortch. 6. Thomas M.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt. 1823 in Virginia, and died Jul 1891. He married Lucy J. Thomas, daughter of William Thomas and Nancy House. She was born Abt. 1827 in Virginia. Children of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas are: 9. i. William Lewis7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1845, Virginia; d. Bef. 06 Apr 1915. ii. Frances Poythress, b. Abt. 1847, Virginia. iii. Benjamin J. Poythress, b. 1852, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. iv. James D. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m. Lucy Mosely, 21 Nov 1877, Brunswick County, Virginia. v. Henrietta Poythress, b. Abt. 1859, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. vi. Sallie Poythress, b. Abt. 1860, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. vii. Peter V. Poythress, b. Abt. 1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. viii. Anderson J. Poythress, b. Abt. 1867, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. ix. Luban Poythress, b. Abt. 1869, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. x. Bennett Poythress, b. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

Barbara and all: Thoughts... (of shoes and ships and sealing wax).... ++ I anticipate soon having Michael's virtual census 1 and virtual census 2 melded into one along with a "completed" Meredith line to tack onto the "Unentangled" write-up for a new data base CD "Poythress Family 2.0"...which of course will be mailed to all; mailed instead of emailed...via e-mail Rootsweb would convert it to text and make a mess of it, besides, it's hoving up on 240MB and I'm not sure we could stuff that much through the system anyway. ++ could we flesh out the Lewis line from where it starts in Mike's work down to our Lewis descendents? No particular hurry but it needs to be included if it can be included. ++ with respect to the DNA project (and Barbara's yeoperson duty for which we are all truly thankful) I'm thinking that the horizon might have considerable time lapsing between version 2.0-to-be and version 3.0-to-be. Wouldn't it be appropriate to have something of a soup to nuts "formal" paper outlining what we have found todate for the 2.0 disk? And perhaps prefaced with a general introduction to the whole DNA matter in general..either of one of say, Barbara's composing or a canned one (simple) copied from somewhere? (I realize FamilyTreeDNA says they provide a tutorial for the uninitiated but I've either not seen it or have seen it and didn't have sense enough to recognize it. <g>) Barbara, I'm confident there's no one else capable of writing this one but you. ++ I would also be most happy to know if FamilyTreeDNA has made some statement along the lines that we are approaching some kind of "finality" with the 59 marker groups. I'm not especially enthralled with the prospect of them walking us up to, say, a few hundred markers at 100 bucks per every 22 markers, I being skeptically inclined to think that further "science" just might be only a question of further "marketing appetite", august body that FamilyTreeDNA may be. ++ I also have a thought that if Christopher Poytress' results are imminent, certainly the 2.0 disk could wait to include them as they will likely be quite significant. ++ while inquiring about the status of the number of guys signed up for the 59 marker test I'll simultaneously urge those who haven't to part with their hundred bucks or whatever and sign up...it ain't going to kill you. ++ do the Portis results tell us anything at all? I was never very much as convinced by the Delphy Poythress connection as I was by Kirby Poythress nee' Portis who shows quite clearly "evolving" over several records from a Portis to a Poythress down in Isle of Wight county..which I'm just guessing is where that variant started in the first place. ++ might any Porteus/Porteous DNA results settle this variant once and for all for us? I remain open to the prospect but would bet that DNA will reveal no conclusive connections. I say this because that Porteus crowd has a pretty clearly defined and high profile identity of their own with members appearing in contexts unrelated to Poythresses other than sharing a time frame occasionally. ++ I think I'm operating with some kind of mental block here but I'm having a hard time understanding how a CLOSER proximity of the MCRA for any group of us would make descent from Francis MORE likely..it seems to me to be the other way around. Whatever...if you all say so I"ll accept it as one of life's mysteries. Just some thoughts thrown out for comment or whatever. Maynard

Touche. > [Original Message] > From: John M. Poythress <brerfox@bellsouth.net> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 4/17/2006 4:57:47 PM > Subject: DNA Project > > It grieves me greatly to know that we are operating on the wrong side of > Sharia law: > > April 16, 2006 > Opinion: DNA Should Not Be Used as a Tool to Identify Family Trees > An unsigned article in the Arab Times of Kuwait claims that use of DNA > will lead to the "disintegration of families." > The article objects to the use of DNA, mostly on religious grounds, > claiming that such technology is against Islamic Sharia (the code of law > based on the Koran). The article quotes Dr. Mohammed Al-Tabtabaei, Dean > of the Faculty of Sharia and Islamic Studies at Kuwait University, who > stated, "Islam does not allow the use of DNA fingerprinting to prove > genealogy and no family can reject any of its members based on results > of such tests." He also said that Islam does not allow linking the > crimes of fathers to sons as each of them is accountable for his own > actions. > However, Dr. Al-Tabtabaei conceded that DNA has many uses outside of > family tree studies. He stated, "Although security departments can use > DNA fingerprinting for issues related to national security, this > technology should not be used as a tool to identify the family tree of > anybody." > Dr Ahmed Al-Hajji, a Fiqhi (Islamic jurisprudence) expert, said, "If > there is no other strong proof, DNA fingerprinting can be used to > identify maternal relationship if two women claim to be the mother of > the same child. However, this technology cannot be used to prove > paternal relations." The Islamic Juristic Group (IJG) said, "DNA > fingerprinting can be used only in criminal investigations and not to > identify the genealogy of anyone. In case of disputes over a new born > baby or lost child, such tests can be used to identify the parents of > the child." > > (from Dick Eastman's 4/17 newsletter) > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net >

It grieves me greatly to know that we are operating on the wrong side of Sharia law: April 16, 2006 Opinion: DNA Should Not Be Used as a Tool to Identify Family Trees An unsigned article in the Arab Times of Kuwait claims that use of DNA will lead to the "disintegration of families." The article objects to the use of DNA, mostly on religious grounds, claiming that such technology is against Islamic Sharia (the code of law based on the Koran). The article quotes Dr. Mohammed Al-Tabtabaei, Dean of the Faculty of Sharia and Islamic Studies at Kuwait University, who stated, "Islam does not allow the use of DNA fingerprinting to prove genealogy and no family can reject any of its members based on results of such tests." He also said that Islam does not allow linking the crimes of fathers to sons as each of them is accountable for his own actions. However, Dr. Al-Tabtabaei conceded that DNA has many uses outside of family tree studies. He stated, "Although security departments can use DNA fingerprinting for issues related to national security, this technology should not be used as a tool to identify the family tree of anybody." Dr Ahmed Al-Hajji, a Fiqhi (Islamic jurisprudence) expert, said, "If there is no other strong proof, DNA fingerprinting can be used to identify maternal relationship if two women claim to be the mother of the same child. However, this technology cannot be used to prove paternal relations." The Islamic Juristic Group (IJG) said, "DNA fingerprinting can be used only in criminal investigations and not to identify the genealogy of anyone. In case of disputes over a new born baby or lost child, such tests can be used to identify the parents of the child." (from Dick Eastman's 4/17 newsletter)

Hi Steve & all, Yeah, the only DNA that can be checked in the female lines is mitochondrial-DNA, since we females don't get any of the Y-DNA to check. Those folks looking at that mito-DNA can trace back thru the mother's mother's mother etc DNA. So, for example, if I checked my mito-DNA, I would be looking not to my dad's Poythress line at all, but instead back to what is now the Czech Republic thru my mom, my maternal grandmother, her mother, etc. Barbara 4/16/06 stevew602 wrote: > Barbara, > > Pardon a naive question. Does Y-DNA only work with strictly female lineage? As you probably remember, we Walls (me dad and I) believe ourselves to descend from a John Wall-Anne Poythress union but (like Lou Poole's site shows and Batte's chart hints) it's only an educated guess. I suppose we couldn't use Y-DNA if the Poythress link is through Anne but the Wall link is through John, right? Steve

Barbara, Pardon a naive question. Does Y-DNA only work with strictly female lineage? As you probably remember, we Walls (me dad and I) believe ourselves to descend from a John Wall-Anne Poythress union but (like Lou Poole's site shows and Batte's chart hints) it's only an educated guess. I suppose we couldn't use Y-DNA if the Poythress link is through Anne but the Wall link is through John, right? Steve -----Original Message----- >From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> >Sent: Apr 14, 2006 8:14 PM >To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: DNA of a Porteous compared to Poythress/Poytress > >Hi All, >Below is a copy of an exchange regarding DNA with Doug Porteous ><orillia319@rogers.com> > >I'll copy his initial email from yesterday first, with my response to >him below, and then his response today saying it was fine to send each >of you a copy of this. Interesting. By the way, to anyone wanting to >check out Doug's website, be sure that all the letters of it are pasted >into your browser, as some of the final word may wrap around to another >line in this email. > >And, by the way Doug, I forgot to mention to you earlier: if you do set >up a Surname Study, you & your fellow participants will have a cheaper >cost per test for each type of test ordered (versus the cost of ordering >them when not a participant in a Surname Study). >Happy Easter, >Barbara Poythress Neal >= = = = > >4/13/2006 Doug Porteous wrote: >Hello Barbara, >There have been a few emails and forum messages exchanged recently >regarding the possibility that Poythress may be a variation on Porteous, >and vice versa. > >Although I'm only one individual and it's quite likely that people with >the Port*s (where * = any vowel) surname may have widely varying >origins, I should let you know that my results indicate membership in >the "I" haplogroup. See >http:// >www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=Porteous_Genealogy_in_a_Nutshell > >I'm awaiting the results of a Y-DNA upgrade test (from 12 to 37 markers >from FTDNA). Note: I offered to run a Porteous/Porteus/Portas/etc. DNA >study but there hasn't been a lot of interest yet from the "Porteous >Associates". I'm thinking I should just plunge ahead and arrange for a >study. :-) > >I'd be curious as to what you have learned from your Poythress study. >All the best, >Doug Porteous >Toronto, Ontario, Canada >= = = = > >Subject: DNA compared for Poythress/Poytress & Porteous >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:35:33 -0600 >From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> >To: Doug Porteous <orillia319@rogers.com> > >Hi Doug & thanks so much for writing me. > >I'm interested to hear from a Porteous! I've been one of the Poythress >folks long trying to keep an open mind re whether some of the alternate >spellings (Portriss, Portis, etc) might have descended from the same >folk we did. In general almost all of our ancestors had an "r" after the >"t" or the "th" by the way. > >I went to your website, and was interested to see that your Porteous >progenitor came to Canada from further north in the British Isles than >did Captain Francis Poythress. I was also quite interested to see what >marker-readings make up your Haplogroup I. Quite different from the >marker-readings that make up our Haplogroup R1b, which most of our >Poythress/Poytress participants are in. > >Haplogroup R1b is from the British Isles, which is consistent with >Captain Francis Poythress having come to Virginia by 1632 as a factor >for a London merchant; Francis was christened in Newent, >Gloucestershire; and consistent with Francis' brother Christopher who >stayed in Gloucestershire. > >And your Haplogroup I is also quite different from Haplogroup A, in >which we have one participant. That is one of the haplogroups that show >American Indian ancestry. > >On our 12-marker tests, done by FamilyTreeDNA, so that you can compare >to your 12-marker test on which you've already gotten results, our >readings come back as shown below. > >For our 12 participants who are in Haplogroup R1b, & our 1 participant >in Haplogroup A, versus your results in Haplogroup I (Note: I'm >abbreviating "Haplogroup" as "Hgrp" below): > >393 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I >390 = 24 in Hgrp R1b; 23 in Hgrp A; 24 in your Hgrp I >19 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 14 in Hgrp A; 16 in your Hgrp I >391 = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I >385a = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 16 in Hgrp A; 12 in your Hgrp I >385b = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 17 in Hgrp A; 15 in your Hgrp I >426 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I >388 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 10 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I >439 = 13 [1 of our R1b participants had 12]; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in Hgrp I >389-1 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I >392 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I >389-2 = 30 in Hgrp R1b; 31 in Hgrp A; 18 in your Hgrp I > >Doug, you are welcome to copy this message to your Porteous folks, and I >would like to get your permission to forward a copy of this message to >our Poythress-List of subscribers & to our Poythress/Poytress-Surname >Y-DNA Study participants. >Barbara Poythress Neal >bp_neal@earthlink.net > >= = = = >4/14/06 Hi Barbara, > >I'm only one representative of what I think is a very large and quite >likely diverse group, so it is still possible that there are some >"Porteii" with potential Poyt*ress connections. > >One person a few of us have been very interested in is Edward Porteus, >grandfather of Beilby Porteous, a former Bishop of London. Edward lived >in an area on the York River in Virginia called "Violet Banks" some time >in the 1600s (I don't have the information handy at the moment). There >also seems to be a bit of Poythress/Porteous overlap in South Carolina >but I'll need to locate my notes from a vacation we took there a couple >of years ago. > >I did a study of early IGI entries for Porteous and found a number in >the Kent and London area far back in time: >http://www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=British_Origins > >(Coincidentally, Newent comes up in my mother's side of the family...) > >Please feel free to copy my message to your list. >Regards, >--Doug > > >==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >Visit www.poythress.net > > > > > > > > > > >o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi All, Below is a copy of an exchange regarding DNA with Doug Porteous <orillia319@rogers.com> I'll copy his initial email from yesterday first, with my response to him below, and then his response today saying it was fine to send each of you a copy of this. Interesting. By the way, to anyone wanting to check out Doug's website, be sure that all the letters of it are pasted into your browser, as some of the final word may wrap around to another line in this email. And, by the way Doug, I forgot to mention to you earlier: if you do set up a Surname Study, you & your fellow participants will have a cheaper cost per test for each type of test ordered (versus the cost of ordering them when not a participant in a Surname Study). Happy Easter, Barbara Poythress Neal = = = = 4/13/2006 Doug Porteous wrote: Hello Barbara, There have been a few emails and forum messages exchanged recently regarding the possibility that Poythress may be a variation on Porteous, and vice versa. Although I'm only one individual and it's quite likely that people with the Port*s (where * = any vowel) surname may have widely varying origins, I should let you know that my results indicate membership in the "I" haplogroup. See http:// www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=Porteous_Genealogy_in_a_Nutshell I'm awaiting the results of a Y-DNA upgrade test (from 12 to 37 markers from FTDNA). Note: I offered to run a Porteous/Porteus/Portas/etc. DNA study but there hasn't been a lot of interest yet from the "Porteous Associates". I'm thinking I should just plunge ahead and arrange for a study. :-) I'd be curious as to what you have learned from your Poythress study. All the best, Doug Porteous Toronto, Ontario, Canada = = = = Subject: DNA compared for Poythress/Poytress & Porteous Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:35:33 -0600 From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> To: Doug Porteous <orillia319@rogers.com> Hi Doug & thanks so much for writing me. I'm interested to hear from a Porteous! I've been one of the Poythress folks long trying to keep an open mind re whether some of the alternate spellings (Portriss, Portis, etc) might have descended from the same folk we did. In general almost all of our ancestors had an "r" after the "t" or the "th" by the way. I went to your website, and was interested to see that your Porteous progenitor came to Canada from further north in the British Isles than did Captain Francis Poythress. I was also quite interested to see what marker-readings make up your Haplogroup I. Quite different from the marker-readings that make up our Haplogroup R1b, which most of our Poythress/Poytress participants are in. Haplogroup R1b is from the British Isles, which is consistent with Captain Francis Poythress having come to Virginia by 1632 as a factor for a London merchant; Francis was christened in Newent, Gloucestershire; and consistent with Francis' brother Christopher who stayed in Gloucestershire. And your Haplogroup I is also quite different from Haplogroup A, in which we have one participant. That is one of the haplogroups that show American Indian ancestry. On our 12-marker tests, done by FamilyTreeDNA, so that you can compare to your 12-marker test on which you've already gotten results, our readings come back as shown below. For our 12 participants who are in Haplogroup R1b, & our 1 participant in Haplogroup A, versus your results in Haplogroup I (Note: I'm abbreviating "Haplogroup" as "Hgrp" below): 393 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I 390 = 24 in Hgrp R1b; 23 in Hgrp A; 24 in your Hgrp I 19 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 14 in Hgrp A; 16 in your Hgrp I 391 = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I 385a = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 16 in Hgrp A; 12 in your Hgrp I 385b = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 17 in Hgrp A; 15 in your Hgrp I 426 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I 388 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 10 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I 439 = 13 [1 of our R1b participants had 12]; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in Hgrp I 389-1 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I 392 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I 389-2 = 30 in Hgrp R1b; 31 in Hgrp A; 18 in your Hgrp I Doug, you are welcome to copy this message to your Porteous folks, and I would like to get your permission to forward a copy of this message to our Poythress-List of subscribers & to our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study participants. Barbara Poythress Neal bp_neal@earthlink.net = = = = 4/14/06 Hi Barbara, I'm only one representative of what I think is a very large and quite likely diverse group, so it is still possible that there are some "Porteii" with potential Poyt*ress connections. One person a few of us have been very interested in is Edward Porteus, grandfather of Beilby Porteous, a former Bishop of London. Edward lived in an area on the York River in Virginia called "Violet Banks" some time in the 1600s (I don't have the information handy at the moment). There also seems to be a bit of Poythress/Porteous overlap in South Carolina but I'll need to locate my notes from a vacation we took there a couple of years ago. I did a study of early IGI entries for Porteous and found a number in the Kent and London area far back in time: http://www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=British_Origins (Coincidentally, Newent comes up in my mother's side of the family...) Please feel free to copy my message to your list. Regards, --Doug

Thanks to Maynard for finding Cornell University's online "Making of America" site: http://library8.library.cornell.edu/moa/ At the bottom of that main page, one can click on "Search" and type in our surname. One gets, as Maynard found, one article in one 1897 journal that contains the name Poythress: a book excerpt called "A Hunt-Supper In Old Virginia." The book is set in the days just before America's war for independence began, and there is no indication whether the book is just historical fiction, or whether it might be based on some family diaries, etc. The book is identified as "A Son of the Old Dominion" by Mrs. Burton Harrison; published (apparently in about 1897, since it is in the journal's "Reading from New Books" column) by Lamson, Wolfe & Company, Publishers, then priced at $1.50. Near the end of the article, in two consecutive paragraphs, we learn that the host of the dinner party is a Colonel Poythress who is referred to as "Hugh Poythress" by his wife. Cornell's bibliographic citation for the article, and notes about how to get the plain text of it, are shown below. Once you are viewing it as "text" you can save each page as a plain text file - with the file-extension of TXT - just give it a unique name, such as Poy-p485, to distinguish it from the next page, p486, that you save. As Cornell's caution (copied below) mentions, the text needs a slight amount of editing in a couple of places where the Optical Character Reading mis-read the original blurred letter of a word. The article can also be viewed (& saved) as a PDF file, using Adobe's free PaperPort Viewer. Hope this helps. The website's Terms of Use are shown at the bottom here. 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Dear Poythress-List & DNA Study participants, This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study. We currently have 13 participants in the Study. I really appreciate the participation of each person in the Study. It took longer than expected for the recent batch of 37-marker tests to yield results, but we finally have them. Thus we now have *some* results on all 13 of our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Group Y-DNA participants. To help understand those results, the company doing our tests, Family Tree DNA, furnishes information to help us non-scientists. The company calculates the odds (or the probability) of participants sharing a Most Recent Common Ancestor within various numbers of generations. One of our newest participants, Lee, is from the line of "Jack" Fredrick Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think is descended from James R. Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder. I know that researchers in that family line have previously indicated on our Poythress-List that they thought some ancestor(s) in their line might have been, at least in part, American Indian. Thus it may not surprise folks in that line that Lee's 37-markers' results show that in his paternal line (father's father's father's etc line) there is indeed Native American Indian ancestry. He is in "Haplo Group A," an American Indian Haplo group. His Genetic Distance Report indicates a 0.00% probability that he shares an ancestor-in-common within the last 24 generations, with any of our other 12 participants. All 12 of our other participants are in "Haplo Group R1b," indicating their paternal line's origin is in the British Isles. Our other most recent participant, from England, indeed knows his ancestry was in Britain. He is a 9g-grandson of John Poythres, who owned Ploddy House in Gloucestershire, England. Thus our English participant is 11 generations removed from John of Ploddy House. In the early 1600's, John had 2 sons christened in Newent, Gloucestershire: 1. Francis, christened in 1609, who came to America by 1632 -- about 375 years ago., and 2. Christopher, christened in 1616, who stayed in England. Thus the closest potential ancestor-in-common between our English participant and our American participants, was born more than 400 years ago. Since we know our English participant is 11 generations removed from John of Ploddy House, I've copied below the odds of sharing an ancestor within 11 generations for the eight other participants who have already gotten results on the 37-marker test: Odds are quite high that our English participant shares with Dale, David, & Karl (87.58%) an ancestor-in-common within those 11 generations. Odds are also good with Gene & Maynard (69.93%) and with Vern (65.47%), and the odds are 31.78% with Neil, and 0.00% with Lee. The newly available 59-marker test will more closely refine the number of generations (within *fewer* generations than ever before available), of how close the ancestor-in-common was. This will particularly help regarding our American participants, whose ancestor-in-common would logically be within a smaller number of generations if our theory is correct that most American Poythress folks descending from Francis. Within the past week this newly-available 59-marker test has been ordered for the majority of our participants (including our English participant). Thus when those results are available (probably in late May), we'll have more information about our American participants, and can see how closely their results match those of our English participant. From Family Tree DNA website's info about this new test, we learn that we'll be able to much more closely refine our participants' most recent ancestor-in-common (http://www.ftdna.com/faq2.html). For example, if men match on 59 of 59 markers, the odds are 95% that their most recent ancestor-in-common was within just 5 generations -- in other words that both men are 3g-grandsons of the same ancestor. Thanks again to each of you who are participating in our Y-DNA Study. We would welcome other men who are surnamed Poythress or Poytress (or similar spellings) to participate in the study. The website of the company where our Study is registered is www.familytreedna.com This reliable firm is the same one doing the worldwide genographic study with the National Geographic Society. Much information is available at their site regarding DNA and DNA testing. Cheers, Barbara Poythress Neal

Family Tree DNA (www.familytreedna.com) is the company conducting the tests for our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Group Study. Today I got the company's announcement to the Group Administrators that they have launched the highest resolution Y-DNA test available anywhere in the market: the 59-marker Y-DNA test. For information about the impact of this test for matching purposes, anyone can refer to the following page: http://www.ftdna.com/faq2.html What that page shows (with a chart & a graph) is that if men match on 59 of 59 markers, the odds are 95% that their Most Recent Common Ancestor was within 5 generations -- in other words that both men are 3g-grandsons of the same ancestor. Their announcement also included the news that the cost of the various upgrade-tests has been lowered due to more people having the tests done. (You may recall that Family Tree DNA is the company doing the huge worldwide study with National Geographic.) I'd like to encourage all our Poythress/Poytress-Surnamed Y-DNA Group Study participants to consider upgrading from their current test to the 59-marker test. Any participant wanting a refresher in using his kit number and his code at the company website should contact me off list, at bp_neal@earthlink.net Barbara Poythress Neal, Volunteer Group Administrator Poythress/Poytress-Surnamed Y-DNA Group Study

Thanks Maynard; we'll look forward to hearing more when it is up & available later this yr. (It would have been interesting if Eastman had mentioned what cost libraries are paying for the current NewsBank connection.)

Maynard & all, just send an email to Bob (Robert Scott Davis) & tell him you'd like to be added to his list for his Genealogy News From Wallace State newsletter. You can reach him at: robert.davis@wallacestate.edu Some of y'all may have heard him speak at genealogy conferences & may have seen his books, including his "Researcher's Library of Georgia History" and "Georgia Black Book" & he was co-author with Silas Emmett Lucas on "The Families of Burke Co, GA, 1755-1855: A Census." My recollection is fuzzy, but I think he is the head the Genealogy Dept at the Wallace State Community College's library (or perhaps head of the entire library?). The college is in Hanceville, Alabama, north of Birmingham. From their website: ...six story building ... The Family and Regional History program is located on the fifth and sixth floors of the library building. It includes an extensive and growing research collection. The Wallace State College Library was the first non-Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints library allowed to borrow directly from the holdings of the Genealogical Society of Utah, Including some three million records and books from around the world. Equipment and assistance are available for the copying of old family photos. Local records of interest are also microfilmed by the college. The Wallace State Library is the place to visit for research in Alabama or the Southeast. Genealogy can be reached by dialing 256-352-8263. John M. Poythress wrote: > Barbara.....re Robert Davis' Genealogy Newsletter...would you give us > the address for this one, it's obviously not the > Address for the photos. Thanks, > Maynard

Barbara.....re Robert Davis' Genealogy Newsletter...would you give us the address for this one, it's obviously not the Address for the photos. Thanks, Maynard -----Original Message----- From: scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net [mailto:scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:44 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Undated old family photos Thanks Barbara, I sent for the free trial to see if I like it. Judy > > From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> > Date: 2006/03/17 Fri PM 01:31:37 EST > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Undated old family photos > > In Robert Davis' genealogy newsletter of 3/15/2006 he copied the below > info from Family Chronicle that some of you may find of interest. > = = = > FROM FAMILY CHRONICLE > > They are the bane of genealogists and family historians everywhere: > undated old photographs of family members. > > If the date of a photograph were known you could work out if a > photograph was of Great-Aunt Hetty or her mother, Great-Grandmother Mackay. > > Our books, Dating Old Photographs and More Dating Old Photographs have > assisted thousands of people with dating their old photographs of > unknown date. The books, by showing examples of dated photographs, allow > readers to compare undated images in their collections to the ones > featured in the books. > > Now, we are now appealing for people to submit their undated old > photographs so that we can date them, usually to within three years, > plus or minus. > > We endeavor to date at least 500 submissions and are planning to publish > those photographs that we find interesting in the July/August 2006 issue > of Family Chronicle. We will include explanations on why we arrived at > the date we did as we believe our readers will be interested in learning > how we arrived at our conclusions. > > The fine print: There is a limit of three undated photographs per > submitter. In order to be considered for the July/August 2006 feature in > Family Chronicle on dating the old photographs, please send the > photograph no later that 30 April 2006. We are not responsible for any > lost or missing images sent by e-mail or by regular mail. Unfortunately > some photographs are undateable, such as ones featuring national > costumes, so we are unable to guarantee results. > > By E-mail (Strongly preferred): > - Images should be scanned at a resolution no less than 200 dpi and sent > as a JPEG in an attached file (this is a compressed format that most > graphics programs allow you to save in). > - Each undated photograph must be sent in a separate e-mail > (undated@moorshead.com) <mailto:undated@moorshead.com>. > - Please give your attached files unique names. > - Photograph descriptions should be limited to 30 words and be included > in the e-mail itself. > - Please include your contact information including name and address in > the e-mail so we may contact you if we have any questions. > > By Mail (Please do not send originals as we cannot return them): > - Copies may be made photographically or on a photocopier, however, we > prefer color photocopies as the color copies are easier to examine and > more detailed than black and white copies. > - On any spare white space adjacent to the image or on the reverse, > please include your name, address and e-mail address, and any photograph > information, limited to 30 words. > - Please mail to our Canadian address: Family Chronicle, Undated Old > Photographs, 500-505 Consumers Road, Toronto ON M2J 4V8. > > Please see: https://familychronicle.com/undated.html > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Visit www.poythress.net o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/

Thanks Barbara, I sent for the free trial to see if I like it. Judy > > From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> > Date: 2006/03/17 Fri PM 01:31:37 EST > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Undated old family photos > > In Robert Davis' genealogy newsletter of 3/15/2006 he copied the below > info from Family Chronicle that some of you may find of interest. > = = = > FROM FAMILY CHRONICLE > > They are the bane of genealogists and family historians everywhere: > undated old photographs of family members. > > If the date of a photograph were known you could work out if a > photograph was of Great-Aunt Hetty or her mother, Great-Grandmother Mackay. > > Our books, Dating Old Photographs and More Dating Old Photographs have > assisted thousands of people with dating their old photographs of > unknown date. The books, by showing examples of dated photographs, allow > readers to compare undated images in their collections to the ones > featured in the books. > > Now, we are now appealing for people to submit their undated old > photographs so that we can date them, usually to within three years, > plus or minus. > > We endeavor to date at least 500 submissions and are planning to publish > those photographs that we find interesting in the July/August 2006 issue > of Family Chronicle. We will include explanations on why we arrived at > the date we did as we believe our readers will be interested in learning > how we arrived at our conclusions. > > The fine print: There is a limit of three undated photographs per > submitter. In order to be considered for the July/August 2006 feature in > Family Chronicle on dating the old photographs, please send the > photograph no later that 30 April 2006. We are not responsible for any > lost or missing images sent by e-mail or by regular mail. Unfortunately > some photographs are undateable, such as ones featuring national > costumes, so we are unable to guarantee results. > > By E-mail (Strongly preferred): > - Images should be scanned at a resolution no less than 200 dpi and sent > as a JPEG in an attached file (this is a compressed format that most > graphics programs allow you to save in). > - Each undated photograph must be sent in a separate e-mail > (undated@moorshead.com) <mailto:undated@moorshead.com>. > - Please give your attached files unique names. > - Photograph descriptions should be limited to 30 words and be included > in the e-mail itself. > - Please include your contact information including name and address in > the e-mail so we may contact you if we have any questions. > > By Mail (Please do not send originals as we cannot return them): > - Copies may be made photographically or on a photocopier, however, we > prefer color photocopies as the color copies are easier to examine and > more detailed than black and white copies. > - On any spare white space adjacent to the image or on the reverse, > please include your name, address and e-mail address, and any photograph > information, limited to 30 words. > - Please mail to our Canadian address: Family Chronicle, Undated Old > Photographs, 500-505 Consumers Road, Toronto ON M2J 4V8. > > Please see: https://familychronicle.com/undated.html > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > >

From Dick Eastman's genealogy newsletter: March 19, 2006 America's GenealogyBank <http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/computer.jpg> I have just learned that a major new online service for genealogists will be announced formally later this week. I managed to get an advance copy of the announcement and then discussed it with the manager in charge of this new genealogy database. I thought I would give newsletter readers advance notice of this new service. The new online database will contain images of millions of documents of genealogical interest. Ninety-nine percent of these documents have never been available before in electronic format, and perhaps 50% of the documents have not even been available on microfilm. Many have never been available in any format other than the original paper documents, if you could find them. Now these millions of documents will be available to everyone in a new online database that will contain the equivalent of 100,000 books, fully indexed and searchable by every word. You will be able to see images of the original documents on your computer screen. Picture this: you enter a genealogy library containing 100,000 books, and you can search all the books simultaneously, finding any word or phrase in any book within seconds. You can then retrieve all the listed books and view them on a computer screen within a few more seconds. Best of all, that computer screen is in your home. You do not need to leave home to access this vast resource. The "genealogy library" with 100,000 books is in your living room. The new database will contain many thousands of genealogy books, obituaries, biographies, military records, marriage notices, local histories, and more. All this data is indexed and searchable by every word. You can search all the documents from one search page and locate all documents of interest within seconds. I have not yet seen the user interface, but I have been assured that it is fast, accurate and very intuitive. NewsBank is a company that is well-known to historians and librarians but not as well known within the genealogy community. For several years, NewsBank has provided subscribing libraries with online databases containing the following: * Early American Newspaper Collection (scanned images of old American newspapers) * America's Obituaries * U.S. & World Newspaper Collections * American State Papers * Early American Imprints (1639-1819) * The U.S. Congressional Serial Set NewsBank has been one of the best-kept secrets within genealogy. While librarians and historians usually are aware of the company's services, the company has never received much publicity amongst genealogists. A few knowledgeable genealogists have known about the great resources provided by NewsBank. A number of genealogy libraries already provide access to NewsBank's present services to members and library patrons. In most cases, you have to visit a subscribing library in person to access the NewsBank databases. A very few genealogy libraries offer in-home access to NewsBank. The new "America's GenealogyBank" service from NewsBank will add millions of new documents to the available services and then will make these documents available to a much wider audience than ever before. The new service will include the following collections: Books, Pamphlets and Broadsides, 1639-1922 Thousands of genealogy books plus biographies, funeral sermons, local histories, city directories and similar works published in America before 1923 Newspapers, 1690-1922 More than 1,000 American newspapers, including titles from all 50 states Government Publications, 1789-1980 The entire American State Papers and selections from the U.S. Congressional Serial Set, such as service records, casualty lists, widow's requests, pension claims, and more Archive of Americana Published by Readex, a division of NewsBank, Inc. This family of historical collections includes books, pamphlets, broadsides, newspapers, government documents, and ephemera printed in America. Early American Newspapers, Series I: 1690-1876 Hundreds of historic newspapers listed in Clarence Brigham's authoritative bibliography and in additional subsequent bibliographies. The new database will contain images of the original newspapers, not simply bibliographic citations. Early American Imprints, Series I: Evans, 1639-1800 Books, pamphlets, broadsides, and other imprints listed in the renowned bibliography by Charles Evans. Again, the new database will contain images of the original newspapers, not simply bibliographic citations. Early American Imprints, Series II: Shaw-Shoemaker, 1801-1819 Books, pamphlets, broadsides, and other imprints listed in the distinguished bibliography by Ralph R. Shaw and Richard H. Shoemaker. Again, the new database will contain images of the original newspapers, not simply bibliographic citations. American Broadsides and Ephemera, Series I Broadsides printed between 1820 and 1900 and ephemera printed between 1760 and 1900 American State Papers, 1789-1838 Legislative and executive documents, many originating from the important period between 1789 and the beginning of the U.S. Congressional Serial Set in 1817 U.S. Congressional Serial Set, 1817-1980 Reports, documents, and journals of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, originally published in approximately 13,800 bound volumes I'll repeat this one more time as it is important: the new database will contain scanned images of all of these documents, completely indexed and searchable by every word! You will be able to view images of the original documents on your own computer screen. These documents range in size from many thousands of one-page printed items (funeral cards, announcements, etc.) up to the 13,800-volume U.S. Congressional Serial Set. Most of the smaller items have never been microfilmed or scanned until now. In tens of thousands of cases, the only method to obtain the information in the past was to personally visit a repository where each document was stored and to look at the originals. The new America's GenealogyBank will revolutionize that access. Another big piece of this week's upcoming announcement will concern the availability of these databases. In the past, NewsBank always has offered its services only to libraries, not to individuals. If you want to access the big databases today, you need to visit a library that subscribes to NewsBank's services. There may or may not be such a library near you. A few libraries do offer remote, in-home access to library patrons. The new "America's GenealogyBank" will change that business practice. For the first time, NewsBank will be offering its services to the general public. Private individuals will now be able to purchase their own subscriptions to America's GenealogyBank and access it from home or from any other Internet-connected computer, or even while traveling down the road if using a wireless Internet connection. Pricing has not yet been announced, but company officials have said that the cost of an individual subscription will be "competitive." NewsBank expects to attract thousands of individual subscribers as well as libraries, historical societies, and genealogical societies. "America's GenealogyBank" will be officially announced later this week at the PLA Conference in Boston. I was able to obtain an advance copy of the announcement for this article. While the new service will be announced this week, it will not be available to subscribers until the fourth quarter of this year, possibly very late in the fourth quarter. When that happens, I hope to write a "hands on" report. I believe this will be a very exciting new service for genealogists, historians, social scientists, and others. In the meantime, keep an eye on http://www.newsbank.com. As I write these words, the site does not yet have any mention of America's GenealogyBank. I expect the official announcement will appear on the site later this week.

For the next several days access to the database of the New England Historical & Genealogical Register is free. The URL is: www.newenglandancestors.org/research/Database/register/reg_info.asp I have checked it for Poythresses. I was not optimistic to begin with and that turned out to be a reasonable expectation. There are two links, both to Sally Poythress, first as widow to Col. Richard Lee and second m. to Willoughby Newton, both facts being well known to us. However, this is advertised as a massive data base and you may want to submit some of your other names to this search engine. Good luck. Maynard

26 pages of the CSA pension and related papers for John P. Poythress, Gadsden County, FL can be found at: http://www.floridamemory.com/Collections/PensionFiles/ The application # which you may need to access the records is A03182 These are PDF files and may be easily downloaded but if anyone has a problem with it I can email you with all 26 pages as attachments. Maynard

In Robert Davis' genealogy newsletter of 3/15/2006 he copied the below info from Family Chronicle that some of you may find of interest. = = = FROM FAMILY CHRONICLE They are the bane of genealogists and family historians everywhere: undated old photographs of family members. If the date of a photograph were known you could work out if a photograph was of Great-Aunt Hetty or her mother, Great-Grandmother Mackay. Our books, Dating Old Photographs and More Dating Old Photographs have assisted thousands of people with dating their old photographs of unknown date. The books, by showing examples of dated photographs, allow readers to compare undated images in their collections to the ones featured in the books. Now, we are now appealing for people to submit their undated old photographs so that we can date them, usually to within three years, plus or minus. We endeavor to date at least 500 submissions and are planning to publish those photographs that we find interesting in the July/August 2006 issue of Family Chronicle. We will include explanations on why we arrived at the date we did as we believe our readers will be interested in learning how we arrived at our conclusions. The fine print: There is a limit of three undated photographs per submitter. In order to be considered for the July/August 2006 feature in Family Chronicle on dating the old photographs, please send the photograph no later that 30 April 2006. We are not responsible for any lost or missing images sent by e-mail or by regular mail. Unfortunately some photographs are undateable, such as ones featuring national costumes, so we are unable to guarantee results. By E-mail (Strongly preferred): - Images should be scanned at a resolution no less than 200 dpi and sent as a JPEG in an attached file (this is a compressed format that most graphics programs allow you to save in). - Each undated photograph must be sent in a separate e-mail (undated@moorshead.com) <mailto:undated@moorshead.com>. - Please give your attached files unique names. - Photograph descriptions should be limited to 30 words and be included in the e-mail itself. - Please include your contact information including name and address in the e-mail so we may contact you if we have any questions. By Mail (Please do not send originals as we cannot return them): - Copies may be made photographically or on a photocopier, however, we prefer color photocopies as the color copies are easier to examine and more detailed than black and white copies. - On any spare white space adjacent to the image or on the reverse, please include your name, address and e-mail address, and any photograph information, limited to 30 words. - Please mail to our Canadian address: Family Chronicle, Undated Old Photographs, 500-505 Consumers Road, Toronto ON M2J 4V8. Please see: https://familychronicle.com/undated.html

A friend sent me the link below. It's a dandy for searching a ton of archival stuff on just about anything, genealogy included. Maynard ArchiveGrid http://www.archivegrid.org It's a database of archived records of all sorts, and it's free until 31/5/06.