Dear All, Thanks to our webmaster Al Tims for getting the photo of the Poythress Drug Company (of Richmond, VA) back up on our Poythress Research website at: http://www.poythress.net/ It is the last image in the "Family Photographs & Artifacts" gallery, which you access from the column at the left side of the main page. To see this newly-added image, you will probably have to hit "Reload" or "Refresh" in your browser once you are at Family Photographs page, since your computer will probably just bring up the webpage that you *last* saw when you were there. Thanks so much, Al. Barbara

Dear All, Thanks to our webmaster Al Tims for getting the new update regarding our Poythress-Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study posted to our Poythress Research website, which is located at: http://www.poythress.net/ From that main page, click on "DNA Project" in the column on the left side of the page. To see this newly-updated version of the DNA Study info, you may have to hit "Reload" or "Refresh" in your browser; otherwise you may get the old version of info posted about the Study in 2003. Thanks so much, Al! Barbara

Jerry, This might help in your search for information: Juanita Peterson Poythress (aka Nita Peters) b.3/17/1892 d. 2/24/1980 m. Jarrett Poythress b. 11/12/1880 d. 7/12/1945. She also m . Odie James Whaley. I think Poythress was 1st then Whaley but some research on internet says Whaley 1st then Poythress. Children were: Josephine Poythress, Alma Poythress, Sue Poythress, Richard Poythress, Bruce Poythress Whaley and Sanford Poythress. I think according to Jarrett's daughter by his 2nd marriage the children above were Jarrett's but took the Whaley name in some cases. Jarrett Poythress m. 2nd Mary Scott Jarrell, 1/20/1926 Weldon, NC. Their daughter, Juanita Poythress Zdun b. 4/19/1932. One of Jarrett's brothers was Charles Lee Poythress who is my husbands gr grandfather. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry poythress<mailto:Jerryp@always-online.com> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C. Got your message and will try to get you more info from my brothers and sisters since all my uncles and aunts have passed away. Give me a little time and I will contact you with info. Thanks! Jerry Poythress ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net<mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net>> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C. > Hi Jerry & thanks so much for writing to us. Since I'm not sure whether or > not you have subscribed to our Poythress-List of emails, I'm sending this > to your email address, too. I've just found Havelock, NC in Craven County, > between New Bern & Morehead City, southeast of Raleigh & of Greenville, > for those of our List not looking at a map. Not far from Ocracoke on the > Outer Banks. > > I was quite interested to learn of your family line, since it is not one I > recall us knowing of before. I've been hunting thru available resources to > see if I can help on your family line, and I need a little more help, > please. > > 1. Do you have any idea of what years your grandfather, Charlie Poythress, > would have been alive, or in about what year he died? > I found on the public record source, the Social Security Death Index at > RootsWeb (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/<http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/> ) the entry re your father's death, > showing that he was born in September of 1914, and died in 1998 in > Grifton, Pitt County, NC. From your father's birth year, I'm figuring his > father, Charlie, must have been born sometime in the roughly 1870-1895 > period? That's a pretty wide range, so I'm hoping you might have some idea > that would trim that down some. > > 2. Any idea of the name of your grandmother, who your grandfather divorced > after your father was born? > > 3. And/or if you know the names of any siblings of your father's, that > could help find the right family for your grandfather in the Census > records of NC. > > Again, thanks so much for your email & I look forward to hearing more from > you. > Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short) > > 4/21/06 Jerry poythress wrote: > > I am Jerry Poythress youngest son... > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Visit www.poythress.net<http://www.poythress.net/> > > > > > > > > > > > o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/<http://www.rootsweb.com/> > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Always Online The High Speed Internet > Service] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Always Online The High Speed Internet Service] ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net<http://www.poythress.net/>

Got your message and will try to get you more info from my brothers and sisters since all my uncles and aunts have passed away. Give me a little time and I will contact you with info. Thanks! Jerry Poythress ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C. > Hi Jerry & thanks so much for writing to us. Since I'm not sure whether or > not you have subscribed to our Poythress-List of emails, I'm sending this > to your email address, too. I've just found Havelock, NC in Craven County, > between New Bern & Morehead City, southeast of Raleigh & of Greenville, > for those of our List not looking at a map. Not far from Ocracoke on the > Outer Banks. > > I was quite interested to learn of your family line, since it is not one I > recall us knowing of before. I've been hunting thru available resources to > see if I can help on your family line, and I need a little more help, > please. > > 1. Do you have any idea of what years your grandfather, Charlie Poythress, > would have been alive, or in about what year he died? > I found on the public record source, the Social Security Death Index at > RootsWeb (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ ) the entry re your father's death, > showing that he was born in September of 1914, and died in 1998 in > Grifton, Pitt County, NC. From your father's birth year, I'm figuring his > father, Charlie, must have been born sometime in the roughly 1870-1895 > period? That's a pretty wide range, so I'm hoping you might have some idea > that would trim that down some. > > 2. Any idea of the name of your grandmother, who your grandfather divorced > after your father was born? > > 3. And/or if you know the names of any siblings of your father's, that > could help find the right family for your grandfather in the Census > records of NC. > > Again, thanks so much for your email & I look forward to hearing more from > you. > Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short) > > 4/21/06 Jerry poythress wrote: > > I am Jerry Poythress youngest son... > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Visit www.poythress.net > > > > > > > > > > > o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Always Online The High Speed Internet > Service] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Always Online The High Speed Internet Service]

Sounds great, Jerry. Have a good weekend. Barbara 4/22/06 Jerry poythress wrote: > Got your message and will try to get you more info from my brothers and > sisters since all my uncles and aunts have passed away. Give me a little > time and I will contact you with info. Thanks! Jerry Poythress

Hi Jerry & thanks so much for writing to us. Since I'm not sure whether or not you have subscribed to our Poythress-List of emails, I'm sending this to your email address, too. I've just found Havelock, NC in Craven County, between New Bern & Morehead City, southeast of Raleigh & of Greenville, for those of our List not looking at a map. Not far from Ocracoke on the Outer Banks. I was quite interested to learn of your family line, since it is not one I recall us knowing of before. I've been hunting thru available resources to see if I can help on your family line, and I need a little more help, please. 1. Do you have any idea of what years your grandfather, Charlie Poythress, would have been alive, or in about what year he died? I found on the public record source, the Social Security Death Index at RootsWeb (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ ) the entry re your father's death, showing that he was born in September of 1914, and died in 1998 in Grifton, Pitt County, NC. From your father's birth year, I'm figuring his father, Charlie, must have been born sometime in the roughly 1870-1895 period? That's a pretty wide range, so I'm hoping you might have some idea that would trim that down some. 2. Any idea of the name of your grandmother, who your grandfather divorced after your father was born? 3. And/or if you know the names of any siblings of your father's, that could help find the right family for your grandfather in the Census records of NC. Again, thanks so much for your email & I look forward to hearing more from you. Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short) 4/21/06 Jerry poythress wrote: > I am Jerry Poythress youngest son...

Thanks, Kevin. Glad to know you're still a subscriber. Barbara KPoythress@aol.com wrote: > Barbara, > > I am still a List subscriber, and it's fine to use my name. > > Thanks for all of your hard work, > Kevin Poythress

I am Jerry Poythress youngest son(born july 2nd 1956) of the late Walter J. Poythress of Havelock. I am from a family of 7 kids. My mother passed away in 1971 and my father passed away in 1998. My oldest brother is Dorman S Poythress which had 2 kids ,1 daughter,1 son. Then came Bobby which had 4 kids 2 sons, 2 daughters.Then came Wallace 3 kids,2 daughters 1 son.Then came my sister Barbara 4 kids 3 sons 1 daughter. Then came Mildred, 4 kids 2 sons 2 daughters. Then came my brother Walter Jr. 1 child which was a daughter. Then came me youngest son Jerry L. Poythress with 2 sons. Thats 20 grand children! With I think 12 great grand children. My Dads father I never new because he divorced my grandmother right after my father was born in 1914. His name was Charlie Poythress. I have heard my dad talk about his name before. Hope this helps with some of our family history. I wish I had more time to spend on the internet but I work long hrs, and two jobs. Thanks for sending me ! some of the Poythress history.

Good Grief. The second try was worse than the first. If I don't get it to work this time, I quit. I am so sorry but I want the information on our site, since we have North Carolina Poythress Ancestors and especially in the Henderson and Vance County area. Elaine _http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm_ (http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm) NC State Archives & the North Carolina State Library have a vast collection of NC newspapers on microfilm. If you know the approximate date of death, this makes it pretty easy to determine whether newspapers for that timeframe are extant and have been filmed. The microfilms can be borrowed through interlibrary loan from the State Library: http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ (NOT from NC Archives - Archives however will *sell* you a duplicate of a microfilm roll, which I think costs about $12 now). When ordering (through Interlibrary loan, or for purchase), you just need to let them know the specific timeframe you need so that the proper roll of microfilm is sent. Also, the collection at Perry Memorial Library in Henderson includes microfilms of Vance County newspapers. If you have a specific date, it may be worth calling the library to find out their policy & fees regarding checking the microfilm for a specific obit. _http://www.perrylibrary.org/_ (http://www.perrylibrary.org/) I'm not sure if they are staffed to do much of this, but it doesn't hurt to call and ask.

Below is the corrected url for the North Carolina Newspapers Project. When I copied the original email I had received, some of the dashes and arrows were copied as well and made the url not work. It will work now. Sorry Take care, Elaine > I thought that some of you may be interested in the below website. I > received it from a North Carolina genealogy site, I belong to. We do have several > who have ancestors from North Carolina or who migrated to North Carolina from > Virginia and this may help in your research. If we have any researchers in > North Carolina, it would be wonderful, if you find any Poythresses or other > surnames related to the North Carolina Poythresses, to have you post what you > find on the Poythress Website. The below site has a listing of North Carolina > newspapers that have now been microfilmed and the dates that they started > publication so it could help in obits, marriages and other mentions of Poythresses > in North Carolina. If you anyone ever finds anything on my GG-Grandfather > David Poythress, I sure would appreciate a heads up and I would be glad to pay > for a copy of anything related to him or any of his children from the Warren > County and Vance County area. > > Take care, > Elaine _http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm_ (http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm)

Barbara, I am still a List subscriber, and it's fine to use my name. Thanks for all of your hard work, Kevin Poythress

Elaine, I tried to click on those sites & it said sitewas not available. Judy > > From: Denver145@aol.com > Date: 2006/04/19 Wed AM 11:36:00 EDT > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: North Carolina Newspapers Project - Microfilmed > > I thought that some of you may be interested in the below website. I > received it from a North Carolina genealogy site, I belong to. We do have several > who have ancestors from North Carolina or who migrated to North Carolina from > Virginia and this may help in your research. If we have any researchers in > North Carolina, it would be wonderful, if you find any Poythresses or other > surnames related to the North Carolina Poythresses, to have you post what you > find on the Poythress Website. The below site has a listing of North Carolina > newspapers that have now been microfilmed and the dates that they started > publication so it could help in obits, marriages and other mentions of Poythresses > in North Carolina. If you anyone ever finds anything on my GG-Grandfather > David Poythress, I sure would appreciate a heads up and I would be glad to pay > for a copy of anything related to him or any of his children from the Warren > County and Vance County area. > > Take care, > Elaine > > > _http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm_ > (http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm) > > > > NC State Archives & the North Carolina State Library have a vast > > collection of NC newspapers on microfilm. If you know the approximate > > date of death, this makes it pretty easy to determine whether > > newspapers for that timeframe are extant and have been filmed > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > >

Thanks Maynard. I agree with you 100%. Judy > > From: "John M. Poythress" <brerfox@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2006/04/20 Thu PM 09:00:12 EDT > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: DNA Report > > Barbara: a dynamite job! > > Only concern I have: knowing your gracious sensitivity with respect to > "individual privacy" in this instance, I'll still ask if "privacy" is > really an issue that anyone in the study gives a hoot about? It was my > impression that each and everyone who has signed up for the program has > already signed off to the effect that the privacy of their individual > results was a matter of no consequence to them. > > My observation (objective I think) is that the very point of the "study" > is for EACH to learn where he or she stood with respect to the > the odds of a MRCA at such and such interval and if I'm a mile closer > than Vern or Bud or whomever or a mile further away than any or all of > them it's irrelevant to me as a "privacy" issue. And closer or further > to whom is also a matter that the individual who signed up wants to know > about..and, for that matter, what "closer" or "further" means in the > first place. And from your comments elaborating on the study, the > variations thus far in volatile categories open the accuracy issue of > close or distant to a degree that makes it almost irrelevant > anyway..unless the numbers are a blowout one way or the other. > > My point being that I don't really care about whether 11 out of 12 were > in such and such a "position" or 15 out of 24 were in such and such a > position. I think the guys who ponied up for the tests a) want to know > THEIR individual results, not some abstract > reckoning that means nothing to them. I seriously doubt that anyone is > going to take results with any degree of sensitivity anyway...the bottom > line being that EACH wants to know where HE or SHE stands relative to > whatever is supposed to be relevant..not "group" results. > > Now, I know you may have a feeling that puts you in the perceived > position of hurting someone's feelings and I'm conscious of that. But > again, abstract numbers are meaningless to the testee...I'm betting not > a single one of us signed on to know in the abstract if 3 of 12 sheep > scored thus and such and 9 of 12 sheep scored this or that. > > In order to make it possible for you to "carry water on both shoulders" > so to speak, I'd like to suggest a couple of alternatives: > > 1) each and every one of the testees on the wire who have no > privacy concerns send you an email confirming that. And if the > result is that everyone wires you then spread these > results out BY NAME in the overall report...which will allow you to send > out a "unified" report just as the one yesterday but delineated by names > (which, incidentally, will in and of itself > assist us in working on some genealogical mysteries). > > 2) if there is a single abstainer who wants to keep his numbers a > secret then devise some method of telling each member > how he or she stands with respect to the group numbers > (not names) and tell them so individually. I know this enormously jacks > up the job of volunteer coordinator and is an imposition on you. > However, I'm thinking that to not have individual results will have > rendered the entire exercise somewhat pointless. > > Or do you have another option in mind? Many thanks. > > Maynard > > P. S. Consider this my "public release" (if that's the term) for any and > all information resulting from the study...for starters. > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > >

Thanks Maynard, for your feedback to me in your List message (below) tonight. In response, I'll share with you & our entire Poythress-List, that the main points/issues I see are: 1. *Not* everyone has signed the company's Release Form to go with their test samples; our only hold-out is our English participant, who I initially understood would be signing it, but who has not done so. That is why I call him "our English participant" rather than use his first name. 2. The majority of the Study participants are *not* subscribers to our Poythress-List. Most of those non-Listers are only Study participants because they did the test as a favor for a family member, or as a result of my gentle arm-twisting. While they did sign the company's Release forms, and I doubt if they care about our List-subscribers knowing their first names, those folks really don't enter into our day-to-day give & take of theories & thoughts & List messages; not all of them are even easy to reach; some of them are not very responsive; and even *if* I tracked them all down I kinda doubt they'd be wild about having their names plastered about on our Poythress research website (which is what I primarily wrote last night's piece for -- updating the info about the Study that has been on our website, currently www.poythress.net, since about 2003). 3. Those of you on the List who are Study participants *have all* received your individual results from the company. Each time the company has test results for you, they've sent you either a paper report, or they've emailed you a link to your report on their website. Their report to you (in whichever fashion) lists your DNA numbers for all the markers you've had tested so far. Think about it for a moment: Nothing prevents you from touting your DNA numbers immediately, far & wide, to our List in a message or even further. (I've been somewhat surprised that you haven't done so in the past) And even without you touting them widely, you can print off or pull out your copy of their report to you, and find youself in what I wrote. For example, I'll use you here since you explicitly gave me permission in your message below. Pull up (or pull out) your report & you can readily see that you (Maynard) are: (a) one of the numerous men matching identically in the 12-Marker Test Results & are thus in Haplogroup R1b; (b) in the 25-Marker Test Results section, you are *not* one of the 4-matching-men I mentioned whose ancestors went to GA, and that you *are* one of the 2 men I mentioned in that part whose DYS-458 differed from the "16" that the majority had. You are the man who had a "15" (& from Bud's & my earlier communications, I don't think Bud will mind me saying he is the one who differed as a "17") (c) in the 37-Marker Test Results section, you can also see from your report that you are the one GA participant who "had a difference on only one faster mutating marker, DYS-CDYb - [with] one more repeat, 39, versus 38 for 6 of the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants" Still I appreciate your point, and I've wrestled with it myself, re it being more meaningful to the group of active researchers who subscribe to our Poythress-List, to be able to better identify which lines are which. Frankly, I feel more comfortable *not* referring to Study participants by name in the *website* posting (especially since once something is posted to a webpage it will be available on the internet forevermore, whether at the same URL or at some "archived-URL" website). However I don't have as much discomfort referring in List-messages to most Study participants by name, and have previously done so. Since last night's message was not really designed *just* for our List, I didn't use the names there. Our List-subscribers who have followed earlier update messages (from 2003 to recently) already know that you, Bud, Dale, Kevin, Gene, John, Elaine's dad, & my brother Karl are Study participants. You & Bud are List-subscribers whose ancestors went to GA early, so you're fairly recognizable in the update message (& even more so after the above recap from me today). You have now ordered the 37-to-59 Marker upgrade test; and Bud has now ordered the 25-to-59 Marker upgrade test. Sarah (whose husband is Dale, a NC descendant of John Lewis) is a List-subscriber; she is the logical contact-point re that family line. Dale's 37-to-59 Marker upgrade test has been ordered. Kevin was a List-subscriber in 9/03 when he wrote to the List about his results on the first test. I don't think he is currently a List-subscriber, but he has ordered the 25-to-59-marker update. He is also a NC descendant of John Lewis, so Sarah could respond to questions etc re that line anyway. Gene is not a List-subscriber but with his okay in our previous conversations, I've referred to him in List-messages as our Florida descendant of John P. & a cousin of Linda. Gene's 37-to-59 Marker upgrade test has been ordered. Debbie is a List-subscriber (her half-brother John is not a subscriber; they are descendants of William E in GA); she is the logical contact-point regarding her family line. (He has not responded to my message asking him about upgrading from 25 to 59 markers, and I'm not even sure that I have a current email address for him.) Elaine is a List-subscriber & is the logical contact-point re her dad's line (a Mississippi descendant from David). His 37-to-59 Marker upgrade test has been ordered. I am the logical contact-point re my & my brother's line (Alabama descendants from James Edward). His 37-to-59 Marker upgrade test is soon to be ordered. More recent Study participants are: BPW's cousin, Victor: BPW told me when I asked last month that I can use his name with the List; he is not a List-subscriber; he is a descendant of David. His upgrade from 12-markers to 59-markers has just been ordered, so his numbers only showed up in the initial 12-Marker section of yesterday's update message. Teresa's uncle, whose line stayed in Virginia, & who shows descent from Lewis. His 37-to-59-Marker upgrade test has been ordered. Lee, descendant of "Jack" Fredrick Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think is descended from James R. Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder whose line they formerly thought had some American Indian in it, and that turns out to be reflected in his results (Haplogroup A) on the 37-marker test. "Our English participant" whose 37-to-59-marker upgrade has been ordered And there is one other Study participant who is not a List-subscriber (At least I haven't seen any evidence of him or a family member of his being a subscriber). He is also a descendant of William E. of Georgia, and he is the one in last night's message who I mentioned in the 37-Marker Results "had a greater difference on that same DYS-CDYb: he has 40 repeats on it, and he further differs on faster mutating DYS-CDYa by having 38, versus 37 for all of the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants..." His 37-to-59-marker upgrade has been ordered, too. This man *is* responsive to my messages, & I'm sending a copy of this message tonight to ask how to refer to him -- whether to mention him by name -- in List messages. From all the above, I think it can be clear to you who the participants were in last night's DNA-update message: In the 25-Marker Results section, the 4 matching men in the NC-AL-MS group are: Dale, Kevin, my brother, and Elaine's dad. And in that same section, the 4 men in the English-FL-GA group are our English participant, Gene, John, and our other just-mentioned descendant of William E. of GA. As mentioned above, you & Bud are the ones who differed "15" and "17." Teresa's uncle is the last one mentioned in that 25-Marker Results section. In the 37-Marker Results section, the 3 NC-AL-MS men are Dale, my brother, and Elaine's dad. Teresa's uncle is the next one discussed; then our English participant; then you; then Gene; and then our other last-mentioned descendant of William E. of GA. This will *all* be easier to discuss in List messages when we have the 59-marker test results that most participants are getting, because then there won't be so many participants at various (12, 25, 37) testing levels! All for now, Barbara 4/20/2006 John M. Poythress wrote: > Barbara: a dynamite job! > > Only concern I have: knowing your gracious sensitivity with respect to > "individual privacy" in this instance, I'll still ask if "privacy" is > really an issue that anyone in the study gives a hoot about? It was my > impression that each and everyone who has signed up for the program has > already signed off to the effect that the privacy of their individual > results was a matter of no consequence to them. > > My observation (objective I think) is that the very point of the "study" > is for EACH to learn where he or she stood with respect to the > the odds of a MRCA at such and such interval and if I'm a mile closer > than Vern or Bud or whomever or a mile further away than any or all of > them it's irrelevant to me as a "privacy" issue. And closer or further > to whom is also a matter that the individual who signed up wants to know > about..and, for that matter, what "closer" or "further" means in the > first place. And from your comments elaborating on the study, the > variations thus far in volatile categories open the accuracy issue of > close or distant to a degree that makes it almost irrelevant > anyway..unless the numbers are a blowout one way or the other. > > My point being that I don't really care about whether 11 out of 12 were > in such and such a "position" or 15 out of 24 were in such and such a > position. I think the guys who ponied up for the tests a) want to know > THEIR individual results, not some abstract > reckoning that means nothing to them. I seriously doubt that anyone is > going to take results with any degree of sensitivity anyway...the bottom > line being that EACH wants to know where HE or SHE stands relative to > whatever is supposed to be relevant..not "group" results. > > Now, I know you may have a feeling that puts you in the perceived > position of hurting someone's feelings and I'm conscious of that. But > again, abstract numbers are meaningless to the testee...I'm betting not > a single one of us signed on to know in the abstract if 3 of 12 sheep > scored thus and such and 9 of 12 sheep scored this or that. > > In order to make it possible for you to "carry water on both shoulders" > so to speak, I'd like to suggest a couple of alternatives: > > 1) each and every one of the testees on the wire who have no > privacy concerns send you an email confirming that. And if the > result is that everyone wires you then spread these > results out BY NAME in the overall report...which will allow you to send > out a "unified" report just as the one yesterday but delineated by names > (which, incidentally, will in and of itself > assist us in working on some genealogical mysteries). > > 2) if there is a single abstainer who wants to keep his numbers a > secret then devise some method of telling each member > how he or she stands with respect to the group numbers > (not names) and tell them so individually. I know this enormously jacks > up the job of volunteer coordinator and is an imposition on you. > However, I'm thinking that to not have individual results will have > rendered the entire exercise somewhat pointless. > > Or do you have another option in mind? Many thanks. > > Maynard > > P. S. Consider this my "public release" (if that's the term) for any and > all information resulting from the study...for starters. > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > >

Barbara: a dynamite job! Only concern I have: knowing your gracious sensitivity with respect to "individual privacy" in this instance, I'll still ask if "privacy" is really an issue that anyone in the study gives a hoot about? It was my impression that each and everyone who has signed up for the program has already signed off to the effect that the privacy of their individual results was a matter of no consequence to them. My observation (objective I think) is that the very point of the "study" is for EACH to learn where he or she stood with respect to the the odds of a MRCA at such and such interval and if I'm a mile closer than Vern or Bud or whomever or a mile further away than any or all of them it's irrelevant to me as a "privacy" issue. And closer or further to whom is also a matter that the individual who signed up wants to know about..and, for that matter, what "closer" or "further" means in the first place. And from your comments elaborating on the study, the variations thus far in volatile categories open the accuracy issue of close or distant to a degree that makes it almost irrelevant anyway..unless the numbers are a blowout one way or the other. My point being that I don't really care about whether 11 out of 12 were in such and such a "position" or 15 out of 24 were in such and such a position. I think the guys who ponied up for the tests a) want to know THEIR individual results, not some abstract reckoning that means nothing to them. I seriously doubt that anyone is going to take results with any degree of sensitivity anyway...the bottom line being that EACH wants to know where HE or SHE stands relative to whatever is supposed to be relevant..not "group" results. Now, I know you may have a feeling that puts you in the perceived position of hurting someone's feelings and I'm conscious of that. But again, abstract numbers are meaningless to the testee...I'm betting not a single one of us signed on to know in the abstract if 3 of 12 sheep scored thus and such and 9 of 12 sheep scored this or that. In order to make it possible for you to "carry water on both shoulders" so to speak, I'd like to suggest a couple of alternatives: 1) each and every one of the testees on the wire who have no privacy concerns send you an email confirming that. And if the result is that everyone wires you then spread these results out BY NAME in the overall report...which will allow you to send out a "unified" report just as the one yesterday but delineated by names (which, incidentally, will in and of itself assist us in working on some genealogical mysteries). 2) if there is a single abstainer who wants to keep his numbers a secret then devise some method of telling each member how he or she stands with respect to the group numbers (not names) and tell them so individually. I know this enormously jacks up the job of volunteer coordinator and is an imposition on you. However, I'm thinking that to not have individual results will have rendered the entire exercise somewhat pointless. Or do you have another option in mind? Many thanks. Maynard P. S. Consider this my "public release" (if that's the term) for any and all information resulting from the study...for starters.

Thanks Julie & Elaine for sending your info. Hopefully Michael or Maynard will get it all incorporated into the document. And Elaine, thanks for the info on the NC Newspaper Project's microfilmed papers Barbara

Today I've completed an update of our Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study for (1) the DNA section of our Poythress Research website at www.Poythress.net and (2) Maynard & Michael to use on the next generation of the CD of Poythress stuff, to be mailed out. I prepared it in my word processing program. For those interested in seeing it before it gets posted to the website, below is a text version of it, since the "doc" version won't transmit thru RootsWeb to our Poythress-List. Barbara Poythress Neal = = = Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study Note: This Study is an all volunteer effort; it is not a commercial entity. Barbara Poythress Neal serves as the volunteer Group Administrator of the Project; she does not receive any funds for coordinating participants' DNA results. She has no connection or affiliation with the company being used for the testing. General Background on Surname Study Our surname is a relatively rare one. In England, the POYTRESS surname has been around for more than 400 years. In America, people of the POYTHRESS surname have been here for almost 400 years. In America, the earliest of the name we have found is Francis Poythress, who came prior to 9 Feb 1632, when he was in James City County, Virginia. We know he served as a factor (or an agent) for a London merchant, Lawrence Evans, in the year prior to Sep 1637, and served as a Burgess representing Charles City County, Virginia in 1644 and later. (See citations for these and more early information at our website's "17th Century Records" section) The christening that researchers have found in England (apparently for this man), was that of Francis POYTHRESS, christened on 12 July 1609 at Newent, in Gloucestershire, a son of John PEWDREIES (who owned nearby Ploddy House until 1647/48). Another son of John PEWDREIES of Newent, Christopher POYDRAS, was christened in early Sep 1616, according to St. Swithun's Parish Register, Worcester. Christopher did not leave England and left many descendants there who spelled the surname POYTRESS. To better determine whether the current POYTHRESS and POYTRESS surnamed people indeed descend from one progenitor, this Surname DNA Study Project was launched in June 2003. It is open to any male, in any country, born of a father who was surnamed Poythress, Poytress, or other possible spelling variations. As of April 2006, we have 13 participants and would welcome more. DNA Testing as a Genealogical Research Tool DNA testing is a valuable tool developing for genealogical research. A brief introduction is below regarding this non-invasive genetic DNA testing, and how such tests can give valuable information in our genealogical searching. More detailed information is available at the website of the company (Family Tree DNA) being used for this Study: www.familytreedna.com That company has an excellent reputation, and is very professional. They are the company partnering with The National Geographic Society for the worldwide Genographic Project. The answers to many Frequently Asked Questions appear on their FAQ page: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html A tutorial by FamlyTreeDNA regarding DNA for genealogy purposes is located at the following part of their website: http://www.familytreedna.com/tutorial_A.html For Surname Y-DNA Studies, the company gives a discount from the price that would be charged to an individual not affiliated with a Surname Study. The price as of April 2006 for Study participants for the 59-marker test is $269; tests of fewer markers cost less. To join the project, go to our Study's page at: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Poythress Or if you are interested in participating in our Study, and need assistance in affording it, please privately contact our volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara Poythress Neal: bp_neal@earthlink.net Anyone interested in helping to sponsor a participant (perhaps the father, brother, or uncle of an interested female) can also contact Barbara to discuss how this can be accomplished. Surname DNA Study projects look at certain distinct markers within the Y Chromosome of the DNA, which is a small part of the DNA that a father passes to his son. Since these markers are consistently passed through the male line, the markers occur in the men of that surname: thus Poythress or Poytress surnamed sons inherit them from their Poythress or Poytress surnamed fathers. The Poythress/Poytress Study Methodology Most participants in our Study have upgraded to the 59-marker test which became available for Y-DNA testing in Spring 2006. The test is as easy as brushing one's teeth. The DNA test kit consists of a cheek scraper and a collection tube. Using the cheek scraper is similar to brushing the inside of one's cheek with a soft-bristled toothbrush. The Y-DNA test kit does not test for any disease, or hereditary condition; it looks only at specific markers within the man's Y Chromosome. When men match one another exactly on all or most of the markers, and when they share the same surname (or variant), the scientists report that those two factors clearly demonstrate they are related to one another. Their reports get more technical, and give terms of probability: for example with an exact match on all 59 markers, they show a 90% probability that the Most Recent Common Ancestor (or MRCA) of those men lived no longer ago than within the last 4 generations (the great-great-grandfather of the current man), and a 95% probability that the MRCA lived no longer ago than within the last 5 generations (3rd-great-grandfather). When the markers of tested men of the same surname (or variant) vary just a bit, by only one or two "repeats" on only one or two of the markers, the probability of them being closely related is still very, very high. Such slight variations come from normal changes, or mutations, that develop randomly within the Y-DNA, as it repeats itself over a period of time. Thus when testing a number of men of the same surname (or variant), results begin to show sub-groups of men develop, who are more closely related within various branches of the same surname line. Findings In our Poythress / Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study as of April 2006, we have 13 participants. One is in England and is known to be descended from the above-mentioned John who owned Ploddy House in Gloucestershire in the 1600s, through John's son Christopher. Our other 12 participants are Americans, many of whom had ancestors known to have lived in Virginia before most of their family lines moved further south to North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. Our English participant and 11 of our American participants are in Haplogroup R1b, which is from the British Isles. One American participant is in Haplogroup A, a group that shows some American Indian ancestry. 12-Marker Test Results: Almost all our participants (including our English participant) match completely on the initial 12-marker test. As shown below, the one participant in Haplogroup A matched on only 3 of those initial 12-markers, and the one participant whose family line has stayed in Virginia had a different reading on only DYS-439 (which is one of the "faster mutating" markers); on that marker he had "12" repeats while the other 11 of our Haplogroup R1b participants (including the English participant) had "13." The number of the reading basically tells how many times that part of the DNA has changed (or "mutated") by repeating itself. DYS 393 = 14 in Haplogroup R1b; 13 in Haplogroup A DYS 390 = 24 in Haplogroup R1b; 23 in Haplogroup A DYS 19 = 14 in Haplogroup R1b; 14 in Haplogroup A DYS 391 = 11 in Haplogroup R1b; 11 in Haplogroup A DYS 385a = 11 in Haplogroup R1b; 16 in Haplogroup A DYS 385b = 14 in Haplogroup R1b; 17 in Haplogroup A DYS 426 = 12 in Haplogroup R1b; 12 in Haplogroup A DYS 388 = 12 in Haplogroup R1b; 10 in Haplogroup A DYS 439 = 13 in Haplogroup R1b, except for the participant whose family line stayed in VA, who had 12; 12 in Haplogroup A DYS 389-1 = 14 in Haplogroup R1b; 13 in Haplogroup A DYS 392 = 12 in Haplogroup R1b; 11 in Haplogroup A DYS 389-2 = 30 in Haplogroup R1b; 31 in Haplogroup A 25-Marker Test Results: When 11 of our 12 Haplogroup R1b participants got results from the 25-marker test, we saw two distinct groups develop, along with another few men who varied slightly from them. (Since the participant in Haplogroup A had radically different results, his results are not listed below.) Results in the 13th through the 25th markers are: 4 men whose family lines moved from Virginia to North Carolina, Alabama, or Mississippi have completely identical scores to date (referred to below as the NC-AL-MS group). These 4 men have the following readings for the 13th through the 25th markers. DYS 458 = 16 DYS 459a = 9 DYS 459b = 10 DYS 455 = 11 DYS 454 = 11 DYS 447 = 25 DYS 437 = 15 DYS 448 = 19 DYS 449 = 30 DYS 464a = 15 DYS 464b = 15 DYS 464c = 16 DYS 464d = 18 4 men, including the English participant, and men whose lines moved from Virginia to Florida or Georgia (referred to below as the English-FL-GA group) share another completely identical set of scores, which vary from the NC-AL-MS group only by one repeat on DYS-464c (another of the "faster mutating" markers) having a 17 instead of the 16 shared by the above NC-AL-MS group; two other men whose family lines moved from Virginia to Georgia differed from this English-FL-GA group, on only DYS-458 (another faster mutating marker) but they differed in different directions to 17 and 15, instead of 16 shared by both the NC-AL-MS group and the English-FL-GA group; the one participant whose line remained in Virginia differs from all the above men on two faster mutating markers - he has fewer repeats on both DYS-464c and DYS-464d, having 15 & 16 respectively, versus the 16 & 18 of the NC-AL-MS group, and versus the 17 & 18 of the English-FL-GA group and of the two other GA participants mentioned above. 37-Marker Test Results: We also have gotten results on the 37-marker test for 8 of our 12 Haplogroup R1b participants. (Again, since the participant in Haplogroup A had radically different results, they are not listed below.) Results in the 26th through the 37th markers are: again completely identical results for the 3 of these 8 who were in the above-mentioned NC-AL-MS group. These 3 men have the following readings for the 26th through the 37th markers. DYS 460 = 11 DYS GATA-H4 = 10 DYS YCA-Ia = 19 DYS YCA-Ib = 23 DYS 456 = 15 DYS 607 = 15 DYS 576 = 18 DYS 570 = 16 DYS CDY-a = 37 DYS CDY-b = 38 DYS 442 = 12 DYS 438 = 12 our participant whose ancestors stayed in VA differs from the NC-AL-MS group on only faster mutating DYS-576, having one more repeat, 19, versus 18 for all of the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants whose readings are already available through the 37-marker upgrade; our English participant had a difference from the NC-AL-MS group on only faster mutating marker, DYS-456 - he has one fewer repeat, 14, versus 15 for all the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants whose readings are already available through the 37-marker upgrade; one of our GA participants had a difference on only one faster mutating marker, DYS-CDYb - he has one more repeat, 39, versus 38 for 6 of the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants whose readings are already available through the 37-marker upgrade; our FL participant shares the "39" with the above GA participant on DYS-CDYb, and he has a further difference on marker, DYS-YCA-Ib (which is not listed as a faster mutating DYS): he has 19 versus 23 for all the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants whose readings are already available through the 37-marker upgrade; another GA participant had a greater difference on that same DYS-CDYb: he has 40 repeats on it, and he further differs on faster mutating DYS-CDYa by having 38, versus 37 for all of the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants whose readings are already available through the 37-marker upgrade. 59-Marker Test Results: As of April 2006, the newly available 59-marker test has been ordered for most of our group participants. Those results should be available in early Summer 2006. Further detailed findings and analysis will be posted to this website as the study progresses. We continue to work with more customary genealogical source materials (including census, tax, land, Bible, etc records) and to look for such source materials that are harder to find, in our effort to better determine how the various branches relate to each other. If you have further questions, please personally contact our volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara Poythress Neal: bp_neal@earthlink.net

I thought that some of you may be interested in the below website. I received it from a North Carolina genealogy site, I belong to. We do have several who have ancestors from North Carolina or who migrated to North Carolina from Virginia and this may help in your research. If we have any researchers in North Carolina, it would be wonderful, if you find any Poythresses or other surnames related to the North Carolina Poythresses, to have you post what you find on the Poythress Website. The below site has a listing of North Carolina newspapers that have now been microfilmed and the dates that they started publication so it could help in obits, marriages and other mentions of Poythresses in North Carolina. If you anyone ever finds anything on my GG-Grandfather David Poythress, I sure would appreciate a heads up and I would be glad to pay for a copy of anything related to him or any of his children from the Warren County and Vance County area. Take care, Elaine _http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm_ (http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm) > NC State Archives & the North Carolina State Library have a vast > collection of NC newspapers on microfilm. If you know the approximate > date of death, this makes it pretty easy to determine whether > newspapers for that timeframe are extant and have been filmed

I wanted to again add my line to the Lewis Poythress tree, and add more children than Oliver Dortch. One source for this, is the family Bible. It was transcribed by several Dortch families in the 60's, who saw the original, but the original Bible has since disappeared. If you'd like any other info on these people, let me know :) Thanks, Julie Cabitto ________________________________________ William Archer Dortch married Sarah G. Poythress 31 Jan 1837 in Warren Co., NC They had 5 children: 1) Martha William Dortch born 15 Jan 1838 and died before 1894. Martha married John S. Vaughan 8 Dec 1863. John Vaughan lived 29 Feb 1843 to 30 Apr 1916. Martha was born and died Mecklenburg VA. -Martha and William had two children: Matthew C. Vaughan 31 May 1866 & Fannie F. Vaughan 5 Oct 1869. 2) Henrietta Speed Dortch 30 Oct 1839 to 9 Jan 1843. Henrietta was born and died Mecklenburg VA. 3) Oliver Jasper Dortch 3 Feb 1843 to 23 May 1929 married Agnes Jennie Vanlandingham 20 Dec 1871. "Jennie" lived from abt 1856 to before 1900 Census. I know of 8 children for Oliver and Jennie. OJ Dortch was born in Mecklenburg but lived most of his life in Nutbush, Warren Co., NC. 4) Alvin Newton Dortch born 6 Dec 1844 and died 24 Aug 1915. He married Tennessee Jordan Glover 5 Apr 1866 in Mecklenburg VA. Tennessee Jordan Glover lived 26 Jul 1847 to 25 Oct 1919. Alvin was born in Mecklenburg, VA and died in Kankakee, IL (suburb of Chicago). Alvin and Tennessee had 11 children. I descend from the oldest child Theresa India Dortch that married Alginon (or Algie Non) Gray. 5) Thomas Newman Dortch lived 7 Jul 1847 to 8 Oct 1857 ________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:22 PM Subject: Michael Tutor's "Descendants of Lewis Poythress" > Note from Bpn: below is a copy of what I think Maynard was asking folks > today about, when he wrote: "Could we flesh out the Lewis line from where > it starts in Mike's work down to our Lewis descendents? No particular > hurry but it needs to be included if it can be included." I had a devil of > a time finding it, since the original message from Mike on 12 Nov 2005 had > no subject line. > > As I (Bpn) noted on 14 Nov, "I can readily confirm the dates & places you > included for my ancestor James Edward Poythress (JEP), and all the info > you included for JEP's descendants." I still look forward to > understanding (as mentioned then) "the specific sources that led you to > list Lewis' ancestors "Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, > Francis1)." Lewis is a good hunch for being father of James Edward > Poythress, but by no means is there any source documentation of that. > > So, folks, if you find your own ancestor (including David Poythress & > William Dortch) listed below in Michael's compilation of proposed > descendants for Lewis Poythress, please furnish some feedback to the List, > or to Michael personally if you prefer (badbichon@earthlink.net), and any > other fleshing-out you may can offer. > Thanks, > Barbara (Bpn) > > = = = = Below compiled by Michael Tutor as of 12 Nov 2005 = = = > Descendants of Lewis Poythress > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt. > 1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. He married (1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles 25 > Dec 1793 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Henry Edward Giles. > She died Bef. 09 Apr 1802. He married (2) Rebecca B. Taylor 09 Apr 1802 in > Mecklenberg County, Virginia. She was born 1780. > > Children of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles are: > > 2. i. Edward6 Poythress, b. Abt. 1798, Virginia. > > ii. John Poythress, b. Abt. 1800; d. Bef. 16 Mar 1818, Mecklenburg County, > Virginia. > > Children of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor are: > > 3. iii. James Edward6 Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803, Mecklenburg County, > Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863, Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. > > 4. iv. David Poythress, b. Abt. 1805, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > v. Rebecca L. Poythress, b. Abt. 1811, Virginia; m. Benjamin Standley, 22 > Jan 1832, Mecklenberg County, Virginia. > > 5. vi. Sarah G. Poythress, b. 06 Jan 1814, Virginia; d. 12 Dec 1854, > Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > vii. Lewis Y. Poythress, b. Abt. 1819, Virginia; m. Mary C. Ferguson, 20 > Jul 1846; b. Abt. 1810, Virginia. > > 6. viii. Thomas M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1823, Virginia; d. Jul 1891. > > Generation No. 2 > > > 2. Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was > born Abt. 1798 in Virginia. He married Mahaley Nance 10 Oct 1828. She was > born Abt. 1803 in Virginia. > > Children of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance are: > > i. Sarah A.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1832, Virginia. > > ii. Harriet Poythress, b. Abt. 1834, Virginia. > > 3. James Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) > was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and died 17 Jan 1863 > in Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. He married Catherine Speed Preston > 06 Feb 1828 in Brunswick County, Virginia, daughter of Joshua Preston. She > was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, Virginia, and died 18 Oct 1884 > in Sumter County, Alabama. > > Children of James Poythress and Catherine Preston are: > > i. Joshua Lewis7 Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; > d. 12 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama; m. Elizabeth J. Crowder, 1852, > Warren County, North Carolina. > > ii. Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830, Mecklenburg County, > Virginia; d. 11 Mar 1862, Charlottesville, Virginia. > > iii. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; > d. 26 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama. > > iv. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838, Mecklenburg County, > Virginia; d. 05 Nov 1888, Binnsville, Mississippi. > > v. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840, Mecklenburg County, > Virginia; d. 28 Jan 1936, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama. > > vi. Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 04 Aug 1843, Mecklenburg County, > Virginia; d. 10 Dec 1915, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi. > > vii. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844, Mecklenburg County, > Virginia; d. 11 Apr 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi; m. > Ellen Belle McKinley; b. 1851; d. 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, > Mississippi. > > viii. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848, Mecklenburg County, > Virginia; d. 26 Aug 1920, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama. > > 4. David6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was > born Abt. 1805 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. He married (1) Mary Speed > Dortch 17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Newman > Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1810 in Virginia, and died Bef. > 15 Mar 1838. He married (2) Sally R. Dortch 15 Mar 1838 in Warren County, > North Carolina, daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born > Abt. 1818 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > Children of David Poythress and Mary Dortch are: > > i. Martha Jane7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1830; m. John M. Tucker, 18 Oct 1848, > Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > 7. ii. James Speed Poythress, b. 24 Sep 1829; d. 17 Mar 1923, Meridian, > Lauderdale County, Mississippi. > > iii. Mary Poythress, b. Abt. 1836. > > Children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch are: > > 8. iv. George W.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > v. Charles D. Poythress, b. 15 Jul 1849, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m. > India P. Tuisdale, 08 Dec 1870; b. 03 Apr 1852. > > vi. Lucy M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > vii. Alice M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > 5. Sarah G.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was > born 06 Jan 1814 in Virginia, and died 12 Dec 1854 in Mecklenburg County, > Virginia. She married William Archer Dortch 13 Jan 1837 in Mecklenberg > County, Virginia, son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. He was born 28 Dec > 1816, and died 23 Jun 1859. > > Child of Sarah Poythress and William Dortch is: > > i. Oliver Jasper7 Dortch. > > 6. Thomas M.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was > born Abt. 1823 in Virginia, and died Jul 1891. He married Lucy J. Thomas, > daughter of William Thomas and Nancy House. She was born Abt. 1827 in > Virginia. > > Children of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas are: > > 9. i. William Lewis7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1845, Virginia; d. Bef. 06 Apr > 1915. > > ii. Frances Poythress, b. Abt. 1847, Virginia. > > iii. Benjamin J. Poythress, b. 1852, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. > 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > iv. James D. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m. > Lucy Mosely, 21 Nov 1877, Brunswick County, Virginia. > > v. Henrietta Poythress, b. Abt. 1859, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > vi. Sallie Poythress, b. Abt. 1860, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > vii. Peter V. Poythress, b. Abt. 1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > viii. Anderson J. Poythress, b. Abt. 1867, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > ix. Luban Poythress, b. Abt. 1869, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > x. Bennett Poythress, b. 1874, > Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net >

Hello to all. I will give some of this a try. David Poythress and Mary Speed Poythress are my GG-Grandparents. I have a copy of the Warren County, NC Marriage record of David Poythress and Sally Dortch. They were married on March 15th 1848. Because of this document and the 1850 Mecklenburg, VA census which lists George as 9 years old. He is not the son of David Poythress and Sally Dortch but the son of David and Mary Speed Dortch. The first child of David and Sally was Charles David Poythress was the first child of David Poythress and Sally Dortch. I have never seen or heard of any documentation that states that Lewis Poythress is the father of my GG-Grandfather David Poythress. I suspect there is close connection of these two men but have no positive proof. So if anyone has documentation that would identify Lewis as David Poythresses father, I would be in heaven to finally have positive proof. I am way out of touch since I have not been active for so long. Do I need to submit something on my G-Grandfather James Speed Poythress and Grandfather Carl Hutton Poythress for some sort of file being compiled. If so would that person get in touch with me. _Denver145@aol.com_ (mailto:Denver145@aol.com) Take Care, Elaine Note from Bpn: below is a copy of what I think Maynard was asking folks today about, when he wrote: "Could we flesh out the Lewis line from where it starts in Mike's work down to our Lewis descendents? No particular hurry but it needs to be included if it can be included." I had a devil of a time finding it, since the original message from Mike on 12 Nov 2005 had no subject line. As I (Bpn) noted on 14 Nov, "I can readily confirm the dates & places you included for my ancestor James Edward Poythress (JEP), and all the info you included for JEP's descendants." I still look forward to understanding (as mentioned then) "the specific sources that led you to list Lewis' ancestors "Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)." Lewis is a good hunch for being father of James Edward Poythress, but by no means is there any source documentation of that. So, folks, if you find your own ancestor (including David Poythress & William Dortch) listed below in Michael's compilation of proposed descendants for Lewis Poythress, please furnish some feedback to the List, or to Michael personally if you prefer (badbichon@earthlink.net), and any other fleshing-out you may can offer. Thanks, Barbara (Bpn) = = = = Below compiled by Michael Tutor as of 12 Nov 2005 = = = Descendants of Lewis Poythress Generation No. 1 1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt. 1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. He married (1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles 25 Dec 1793 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Henry Edward Giles. She died Bef. 09 Apr 1802. He married (2) Rebecca B. Taylor 09 Apr 1802 in Mecklenberg County, Virginia. She was born 1780. Children of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles are: 2. i. Edward6 Poythress, b. Abt. 1798, Virginia. ii. John Poythress, b. Abt. 1800; d. Bef. 16 Mar 1818, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Children of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor are: 3. iii. James Edward6 Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863, Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. 4. iv. David Poythress, b. Abt. 1805, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. v. Rebecca L. Poythress, b. Abt. 1811, Virginia; m. Benjamin Standley, 22 Jan 1832, Mecklenberg County, Virginia. 5. vi. Sarah G. Poythress, b. 06 Jan 1814, Virginia; d. 12 Dec 1854, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. vii. Lewis Y. Poythress, b. Abt. 1819, Virginia; m. Mary C. Ferguson, 20 Jul 1846; b. Abt. 1810, Virginia. 6. viii. Thomas M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1823, Virginia; d. Jul 1891. Generation No. 2 2. Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt. 1798 in Virginia. He married Mahaley Nance 10 Oct 1828. She was born Abt. 1803 in Virginia. Children of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance are: i. Sarah A.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1832, Virginia. ii. Harriet Poythress, b. Abt. 1834, Virginia. 3. James Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and died 17 Jan 1863 in Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. He married Catherine Speed Preston 06 Feb 1828 in Brunswick County, Virginia, daughter of Joshua Preston. She was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, Virginia, and died 18 Oct 1884 in Sumter County, Alabama. Children of James Poythress and Catherine Preston are: i. Joshua Lewis7 Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 12 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama; m. Elizabeth J. Crowder, 1852, Warren County, North Carolina. ii. Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 11 Mar 1862, Charlottesville, Virginia. iii. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 26 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama. iv. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 05 Nov 1888, Binnsville, Mississippi. v. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 28 Jan 1936, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama. vi. Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 04 Aug 1843, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 10 Dec 1915, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi. vii. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 11 Apr 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi; m. Ellen Belle McKinley; b. 1851; d. 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi. viii. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 26 Aug 1920, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama. 4. David6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt. 1805 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. He married (1) Mary Speed Dortch 17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1810 in Virginia, and died Bef. 15 Mar 1838. He married (2) Sally R. Dortch 15 Mar 1838 in Warren County, North Carolina, daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1818 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Children of David Poythress and Mary Dortch are: i. Martha Jane7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1830; m. John M. Tucker, 18 Oct 1848, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. 7. ii. James Speed Poythress, b. 24 Sep 1829; d. 17 Mar 1923, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi. iii. Mary Poythress, b. Abt. 1836. Children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch are: 8. iv. George W.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. v. Charles D. Poythress, b. 15 Jul 1849, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m. India P. Tuisdale, 08 Dec 1870; b. 03 Apr 1852. vi. Lucy M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. vii. Alice M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. 5. Sarah G.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born 06 Jan 1814 in Virginia, and died 12 Dec 1854 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. She married William Archer Dortch 13 Jan 1837 in Mecklenberg County, Virginia, son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. He was born 28 Dec 1816, and died 23 Jun 1859. Child of Sarah Poythress and William Dortch is: i. Oliver Jasper7 Dortch. 6. Thomas M.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt. 1823 in Virginia, and died Jul 1891. He married Lucy J. Thomas, daughter of William Thomas and Nancy House. She was born Abt. 1827 in Virginia. Children of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas are: 9. i. William Lewis7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1845, Virginia; d. Bef. 06 Apr 1915. ii. Frances Poythress, b. Abt. 1847, Virginia. iii. Benjamin J. Poythress, b. 1852, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. iv. James D. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m. Lucy Mosely, 21 Nov 1877, Brunswick County, Virginia. v. Henrietta Poythress, b. Abt. 1859, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. vi. Sallie Poythress, b. Abt. 1860, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. vii. Peter V. Poythress, b. Abt. 1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. viii. Anderson J. Poythress, b. Abt. 1867, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. ix. Luban Poythress, b. Abt. 1869, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. x. Bennett Poythress, b. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.