Many thanks to Lou for making clear what I only muddled on the "Tye" name and Rebecca Coggin. I am so happy to have so much new detail on this question. Thanks, Maynard, for passing the chart on. I would suggest if anyone has problems reading the chart, they should first be sure that the jpeg chart is read in a totally open window of their browser. Some scrolling is required. I found that this chart can be printed out successfully but the quality is better if you use my gedcom (available on request) in a Family Tree Maker program. Problems people have had in the past with charts like this have often arisen because they have a small browser window open and the left right corner of the chart is blank. Next week I will try to post some details of this chart in text form. On a personal note, I believe one of my Poythress lines leads from Anne Poythress and Burwell Green. Mr. Batte has index cards documenting all the players but doesn't sew up the relationships neatly. But more about that later. Diana

Thank you so much, Diana, for all your marvelous work on the Batte materials and for putting together your "Hypothetical B Chart" based on the compilation of Poythress information by R. Bolling Batte into his card collection available at the Library of VA website. All of us owe you a great debt for all this work, and for your ability to present it so clearly to help all of us. And thank you, Maynard, for your invaluable help in getting Diana's great Chart B sent out to us. Sure are a number of Poythress men who were around long enough to sire more Poythresses! Thanks again! Barbara (BPN)

Maybe I can help on the John Coggan question that Diana raised.... According to Boddie's "Historical Southern Families," Vol. IV, p. 32: “John Coggin or Coggan, the father of Rebecca Poythress, was an early settler and physician in Charles City. He m. (1) a daughter of Gregory Bland; (2) the relict and executrix of Capt. Richard Tye, another early citizen, but it is not known if she were the mother of his children. On 25 August 1658 Maj. John Harper, Capt. Thomas Morgan, and Robert Dessell, citizens of the city of Bristol, gave a power of attorney to ‘John Coggan of the city of Bristol, but now resident in Virginia ‘aforesaid, chirurgeon,’ to receive certain property belonging to Margaret Bird, administratrix of the goods belonging to Capt. Rich-ard Bond, late of Bristol and Virginia. John Coggin appears to have been of an unusually pugnacious disposition. According to the Charles City Court Minutes of Feb. 1665, he sued Robert Simonds for ‘assault committed on the person of sd. Coggin, whereby his cheek bone was broken, besides a defect which was occasioned in his eyes.’ A few days later one Robert Potter deposed that — being in the house of Sarah Potter, there met Mr. Cogan and William Wilkins, betwixt whom passed several words of ill and abusive language given to each other, upon which they fell to collering, in which scuffle the said John Cogan was on the ground flung by William Wilkins, of which fall John Cogan received a black eye and a scar on one of his lips, further the said Wilkins lying on the ground upon John Cogan, a dog of the house seized upon one of the legs of William Wilkins and bit him — the which wound Jno Coggan dressed and gave him medicines to carry with him. " I have not seen any hard evidence that Rebecca was, indeed, the daughter of John Coggan. Nor have I found the evidence cited by Boddie that John Coggan was first married to a daughter of Gregory Bland. But he WAS previously married, and by late 1758 or early 1759 he had married the widow of Richard Tye: “Itt is ordered that mr John Cogan who married the relict and exer’x of Capt Richd Tye dec’d pay to mr Tho: Drewe the sum of 1313 lb of good tobbo and cask and 71: 17s 8d sterl money found due by acc’ot assigned from Howell Pryse with costs, als exec.” [“Charles City County, Court Orders, 1658-1661, p. 185” — Fleet, Beverley, "Virginia Colonial Abstracts," Vol. III, p. 216.] That the widow of Richard Tye had children when she married John Coggan is evidenced in the following: [Mar 1660] “Abstract. Mr John Cogan this day giving ‘security for the state of Capt Tyes children’ is released of former security.” [15 Sep 1662] “Abstract. Order that Mr Jno Cogan renew security for Capt Tye’s orphans since the de-cease of Mr Jno Dibdall, one of the securities.” [3 Oct 1662] “Abstract. Exors and est of Mr. Jno Dibdall acquitted from bond he entered into with Mr. Jno. Cogan for Capt Tye’s orphans. Cogan to give bond.” [22 Oct 1663] “Abstract. Capt Robt Wynne to renew security of Mr Jno Cogan for estate of orphans of Capt Richd Tye decd.” “Abstract. Bond. 20 Nov. 1663. John Cogan of Merchants Hope chirurgeon to Capt Robt Wynne Gent in behalf of the Court of C.C. Co. Binds items listed in schedule below to secure the estate and free education of the orphans of Capt Rich Tye deceased. Signed John Cogan. Wit: Jno Holmwood, S Hamelin.” [22 Feb 1663/4] “Abstract. James Ward released as security with John Cogan for estate of Capt Richd Tye’s orphans.” [“Charles City County, Court Orders, 1658-1661, p. 231” — Fleet, Beverley, "Virginia Colonial Abstracts," Vol. III, pp. 230, 264, 265, 283, 287, 291.] So... We have the fact that John Coggan was father of his own children from his first, the step-father of Richard Tye's children, and perhaps the father of children from his second wife, widow of Richard Tye. I do not know who Rebecca's mother was, and therefore who her father was. Boddie wrestled with this in his "Southern Historical Families," and did not reach a conclusion. I have found neither the will of John Coggan nor that of Richard Tye to help resolve the issue. It doesn't help a whit that if either or both of them filed wills, it was probably in Charles City County, whose records have been so largely destroyed. Lou Poole

Thanks so much, Barbara, That is fascinating stuff. I liked the little history of patent medicines. With pharmaceuticals bombarding us on TV every night, it brings to mind the saying, "The more things change..." Don't some of these new treatments sound a lot like "snake oil." My personal favorite is "Flonase." Who came up with that one? Diana

BPN again reporting: I later last night realized that what I needed to do when I was at the LVA site & while I had on my screen that small version of the document (with "DOCUMENT" emblazoned across it), was to CLICK on the document -- That opens it up *much* larger. [One of those <duh> moments when I realized my problem.] Then, as Diana noted, it is just a matter of trying to read Mr. S. Bassett French's handwriting. Diana, your transcription got most of it, with just a few words of difference that I could discern. My reading of the document is as follows: "444 Poythress Wm P [underlined] Druggist born in Richmond 18[blank] Attended the well known Miller's Classical School, and then Va Med Coll. In 1868, he became an employee in the drug firm of Meade and Baker, which was established in 1856. Upon the death of the senior partner the business was continued by Mr. Baker until his death in 1892, when Mr. Poythress became the proprietor, continuing the business under the old firm name of Meade and Baker, and is one of the largest and best stocked in the City" Now, re your comment <guess I was wrong about this particular Poythress being the one who had a store named "Poythress."> You were not at all wrong: he was one & the same. As a matter of fact, the name change may give some indication of just when Mr. French had made the above notes. (Perhaps in the 1890s - See paragraph 8 of the below-quoted document. There are some discrepancies in what Mr. French noted above and the company's history as presented below.) For the benefit of those who have not searched thru the Poythress-List Archives, and in case it wasn't in the Archives, anyway, I will round this out by quoting from a document that Barbara Poythress Wolfe got back in Feb of 1992 along with a brief letter from the company, whose letterhead then read: WILLIAM P. POYTHRESS AN E.C. ROBINS COMPANY P. O. BOX 71600 RICHMOND, VIRGINIA 23255 The accompanying document does not list an author/compiler, or a date. From information in it, it is obvious that it was a speech, presented perhaps in approximately 1943. The information appears to have been made freely available to the public. It reads as follows [Note: I cannot help but wonder whether the Hugh W. Jones mentioned below might not have been of the same Jones family that Diana had already noted being connected to a Poythress line]: "EARLY HISTORY OF THE WILLIAM P. POYTHRESS & COMPANY, INC. At the dawn of our Company's history, two gentlemen separated themselves forever from lesser mortals by filling a wagon with miscellaneous drugs and supplies, driving down the muddy streets to the corner of 9th and Franklin in the small city of Richmond, and setting up an apothecary shop. The year was 1856. The gentlemen were Mr. Richard Meade and Mr. T. Roberts Baker. Their doings were important for they planted the seed from which sprang no less than five pharmaceutical manufacturing firms: Meade and Baker Carbolic Mouthwash Company, Polk Miller Company, A.H. Robins Company, Van Pelt & Brown, and, of course, the William P. Poythress & Company. Little is known of the personal history of Messrs. Meade and Baker. At the time they went into business together they were experienced pharmacists, pillars of the Monument Episcopal Church, and members of well-to-do families. Mr. Meade, the senior partner, was the driving force behind the growth of the business. He was tall, impressive, and an austere person, a fine businessman and well respected by all who knew him. His grandson is a prominent doctor in Richmond today. Mr. Baker was fun-loving, full of tall tales and practical jokes. It was he, however, who experimented with drugs and herbs, and who was the originator of many valuable formulae. He was quoted for many years in textbooks as an authority on several drugs, ergot in particular. The Meade and Baker Apothecary prospered from the start and seems to have survived the Civil War without loss. It moved to the 900 block East Main Street and became the leading drugstore of Richmond. About this time a mouthwash that Mr. Baker had concocted during his spare moments in the back room of the store proved so popular with the paying customers around town that the partners decided to advertise it in areas where money was plentiful. Now in those days, the best method of transportation was by water. Oceangoing vessels came up to the city dock to pick up tobacco and various raw materials for England, as well as points along our Atlantic coast. Every time a ship was scheduled to sail, Mr. Meade would load his buggy with samples of mouthwash and rattle down to the dock where he would give each passenger and crew member a sample and a warning about the dangerous effects on the human throat of various kinds of fog - James River, North Atlantic, London and morning-after fog. Many there were who heeded his warning, and it was not long before there developed a sizable demand for Meade and Baker Mouthwash on both sides of the North Atlantic. Soon Mr. Meade became too preoccupied with the mouthwash business to do his part of the work in the store. So, through the following years, he hired many young men to assist in the Apothecary Shop and incidentally to learn the profession. Three of these men became well known in their own right as manufacturers of drugs. Mr. Polk Miller picked up his knowledge of chemicals behind the Meade and Baker prescription counter. He liked the veterinary side of the drug business and started manufacturing dog medicine. Today the Polk Miller Company does a land office business in dog remedies and pine oil disinfectants. You have heard, I am sure, of their line of Sargeant's dog medicine. Mr. A.H. Robins was another graduate of the Meade and Baker Apothecary. At present the company that bears his name is quite an up and coming manufacturer of pharmaceuticals and a friendly competitor of ours. The third pharmacist to learn his profession under the watchful eyes of the Messrs. Meade and Baker was old Bill Poythress himself. In 1888 the aging partners rented an old warehouse down near the city dock and established therein the Meade and Baker Carbolic Mouthwash Company, manufacturers of Meade and Baker Mouthwash and Meade and Baker Tooth Powder. At the same time, they sold the Apothecary to their head pharmacist, Mr. Wm. P. Poythress. After a few prosperous years, the Meade and Baker Carbolic Mouthwash Company was bought by a Mr. Sam Gunther of Chicago. He also purchased from Mr. Poythress for a tidy sum the name, Meade and Baker. Thereafter the Meade and Baker Apothecary Shop was known as "The Poythress Drug Store." Mr. Gunther soon found that the rise in cost of the raw materials for the now famous mouthwash cut his profits so much that he was forced to sell out to Wm. R. Warner, who milled the business dry and let it die a natural death. There are few today who remember the name Meade and Baker, much less their carbolic mouthwash. Meanwhile, Mr. Poythress was building a local reputation equal or exceeding that of his worthy predecessors. He became quite a figure of importance around town and had the name of being one of the best pharmaceuticals in the South. Mr. William Poythress, himself, was a kindly gentleman of short stature and dignified appearance. He had pale blue eyes, an old-fashioned soupstrainer mustache, a big round tummy, and famous ancestors. He claimed to be descended from Pocahontas. Maybe he was! Business was so good around 1898 that Mr. Poythress decided to hire another pharmacist (he already had one other besides himself). A gay young blade named Jones from down Williamsburg way was chosen. You may have heard of Mr. Hugh W. Jones, retired President of the Wm. P. Poythress & Company, Inc. He has been closely connected with the Company for almost half a century. It was through him that most of the information for this talk was obtained. Poythress Pharmacy at that time was located at 919 East Main Street, in the heart of the business district. Although small, dark and uninteresting by modern standards, the store did a tremendous prescription business and was the gathering place for many of Richmond's notables. Confederate Generals Mahone and Wickham, Major Olds, Judge Ashby Wickham, Dr. Cunningham, Old Dr. Hunter McGuire, Bishop Van de Venter, and Father Tabb, the poet laureate of Virginia, were among the drugstore cowboys of the Old Poythress store. The life of the druggist was quite different around the turn of the century than it is today. Mr. Poythress used to open his store at seven A.M. and close it at eleven P.M. He or one of the other pharmacists slept in the back of the store all night, ready to be of assistance in case of emergency. Mr. Jones tells how he used to fear fire at night, as there was no escape from the long building except through the front door. One night he borrowed a hacksaw and cut the bars on one of the rear windows, carefully covering up his work with soot and putty. Thereafter, he slept with a fire axe under his bed, safe in the knowledge that he could knock out the back window and escape if necessary. Just last month Mr. Jones went down to 919 East Main and showed the present occupants the secret exit that had gone some 45 years without detection. In the good old days, the druggist did not have the ready-made prescriptions that are used now. He had to compound many kinds of shotgun prescriptions each day, fill his own gelatin capsules, and quite often convert native herbs into usable drugs. No wonder that druggists were held in so much respect by the general public. The druggist also ran a first-aid station for the neighborhood. Lacking modern quick communications, the injured were usually dragged to the nearest drugstore while someone went on foot or on horseback to find a doctor. Mr. Jones says of the many men treated he knew of at least five who died in the back of the store. He did not count the poor souls who spent their last moments on the curb outside waiting for the ambulance. Dope fiends were a great problem to the ethical druggist in the period following the Civil War. It was, of course, a rigid policy with Mr. Poythress not to sell dope or dangerous drugs without a Doctor's prescription. The moment any clerk broke this rule he could reach for his hat. He was automatically fired. The local addicts knew this and seldom came to the store. However, when a number of strangers hit town, such as in a carnival or circus, two men had to stay at the store at all times for mutual protection. Mr. Jones has many wild tales of his experience with dope fiends while alone in the store at night. Once a man who had been politely turned away on an earlier attempt to buy morphine returned that night and attacked Mr. Jones in an effort to get the drug -- literally over Mr. Jones' dead body. The lucky arrival of a man seeking some cough medicine for a sick child stopped the proceedings in the nick of time. It took six policement to put the crazed man in the wagon. Mr. Jones, an old football player, survived with minor cuts and bruises. Mr. Poythress became very prosperous around the first of the century. The store enjoyed a tremendous prescription business, drawn from Richmond and nearby towns. He had a mutual wholesale drug business in the basement. In addition, he manufactured a line of Sandalwood Oil Capsules that was becoming very popular with the doctors and other druggists. He owned a half-interest in several drugstores and had large investments of stocks and bonds. The stock was his undoing. Mr. Poythress had invested at a big margin in the Georgia Central Railroad. The railroad went broke and so did Mr. Poythress. He had to sell all of his holdings and half his interest in the main store. Thus Mr. Jones became a full partner in the Poythress Drug Company. A few years later the Professional Building at 5th & Franklin was built and the Poythress Company took a ten-year lease on the drugstore section. Shortly after this move the First World War drew most of the doctors from the building. So, with the shortage of drugs and doctors and the big overhead of their new location, the following years were lean ones for the drugstore. The manufacture of SG&S Capsules, Poison Oak Lotion, and several other preparations brought in enough income to prevent the company from going under. But Poythress ceased to be THE Drugstore of Richmond. Mr. Poythress, getting old and feeble, sold his share of the business to younger men and, after clerking awhile in the store he once owned, "to give the boys a start" retired and a little later died. Looking back over the early history of the Company we realize that the lasting reputation of our Company was built on the sterling characters of its owners, their superior pharmaceutical ability, and their strictly ethical practices. Prosperity remained until laws were passed forcing all druggists to conform to strict rules and ethical practices and until the more general knowledge of chemistry and the use of standard pharmaceuticals reduced the importance, glamour and mystery that surrounded the old-time Apothecary."

I think we have, as a practical matter, eliminated Martha Ann Elizabeth Poythress Dixon Odum (daughter of Thomas Poythress) as a "member" of this lottery group (at the time she would have been 29 years old and married.....hardly an "orphan"). Plus she was the youngest of the siblings so there would be no other "qualifiers". Now I'm grasping at straws: we know there was a Thomas Poythress, Jr. in Burke County at the time. I think he signed one petition with his father IN Burke County and it is clearly Thomas Poythress, Jr. b. VA. We never hear from him again. Just to put a theory out there to poke about with, perhaps Thomas Jr. died an early death and HIS orphans became some of those otherwise unidentified "orphaned" Poythresses in Burke County's 1805 Ga. Land Lottery. I'm looking at Craig's list of Chancery Court material and see Thomas M. Poytress m. Lucy Thomas. I have two problems with this candidate. First, he/she spells the name without the "h" and all the others of our crowd used the conventional spelling. Second, somewhere back in my memory bank it says that Lewis had a son named Thomas M. Comments? Maynard

Craig, Thanks so much for all your copying & the initial abstracts about them. I look forward to working on the transcriptions. You mentioned "I did not get to completely copy this file and will try again next time" so I was just curious about how long it might be before you are able to return? Thanks again for all your help for all of us! Barbara (BPN)

I still need Barbara's help reading this old-style but also poor handwriting, but I used a few image applications I had on had to make the size and format readable. I am happy to send my Jpeg to anyone who asks. This is how I read the LVA image, and I guess I was wrong about this particular Poythress being the one who had a store named "Poythress." But perhaps it's all a close family network? Diana My partial transcription Born in Richmond, 18__ Attended well-known Miller's Classical School, and then Virginia Medical College. In 1868, he became an employee in the Drug J(?) of Meade and Baker, which was established in 1856--upon the death of the senior partner the business was continued by Mr. Baker until his death in 1892, when Mr. Poythress became proprietor and continued the business under the family name of Meade and Baker, and is one often considered (?) the best stocked in the city.

Conversations relating to William P. Poythress of Richmond remind me that I continue to search for William D. Poythress born 11 July 1835 in Petersburg, the son of Elizabeth Demoble, who died 29 January 1919 and was buried in Blanford Cemetery on 31 January 1919. The infromant on his death certificate is Miss Lena Hutney who resided in the same house as William at 415 Mistletoe St. William was a retired printer. White, male and widowed. Actually I am looking for Ben the huckster of Petersburg, but I figure Bill might be able to tell me why Joshua Poythress, one time lousy sheriff of Prince George, sometime resident of Petersburg and a person who chose New Jersey of all places for his final resting place would give is watch to Ben instead of him. For those who are anxious to know the results of my trip to the chancery files they are being sent to BPN on Thursday. I ran out of copy capacity (but a few more pages were allowed so two files were not done). Meck 1880-030 CC: Willam L. Portress (who is sometimes called William L. Poythress v. Exor of Nancy Thomas was copied. Nancy is William's Grandmother. She died Dec 1864. He served Co. D. 44th Battalion. I did not get to completely copy this file and will try again next time. Meck 1889-007 CC Cleaton vs. Thomas. Just states that A. J. Poythress is a neighbor and that he and others rented land. A. J. mentions that he has a brother, but he is not named. Has to do with 35 acres. Meck 1867-027 CC King vs. Seymour was not done. Meck 1858-015 CC Jones vs. Harwell BPN will be happy to provide full transcript I am sure, but Lyn will be interested also. Contains list of legatees in the trust fund held by Nancy Thomas, wife of Bennent Thomas, dec'd. Chas. O. Thomas Rich. Thomas Kadijah Thomas wife of Ben Childress Emeline Thomas wife of George W. King Tabitha Thomas wife of John Wall Lucy Thomas, wife of Thomas M. Poytress Rebecca J. Thomas , Rebecca Griffis, a widow Amanda Thomas, now Amanda King, a widow David Thomas Edward Thomas Bennett Thomas Taylor Thomas, whose interest was purchased and is now owned by the estate of James M. Howell, dec'd and Paschal Bracy Meck 1808-008 Johsua Smith v. Hutchins Ferrell Looks like Medidith Poythress of Scriven County, Georgia is deposing to the court about conversations about a slave girl and who she belonged to. Meck 1820-012 Lewis Poythress, admr of John Poythress v. Edward Giles, admr. of Edward Giles Lewis is trying to get some of his legacy out of Edward C. Craig R. Scott, CGRS Willow Bend Books 65 East Main Street Westminster, MD 21157-5026 [email protected] www.WillowBendBooks.com > 20. WILLIAM PETERSON7 POYTHRESS (PATRICK HENRY6, WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, > JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1810 in [(P-1) BAA BDA], and died 1862 in > Nassau, BWI. He married CHARLOTTE REED, daughter of ELIAS REED and SARAH > BLOCK. She was born June 06, 1825, and died June 24, 1897 in Richmond, VA. > > Children of WILLIAM POYTHRESS and CHARLOTTE REED are: > i. MARY8 POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1845; d. d. inf.. > ii. PATRICK HENRY POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1846; d. 1863, d.y.. > 22. iii. WILLIAM POWHATAN POYTHRESS, b. November 24, 1847; d. 1920. > iv. SARAH REED POYTHRESS, b. February 09, 1852. > v. WALTER EPPES POYTHRESS, b. August 20, 1861; d. 1888; m. MARIE JOSEPHINE > BROUSE. > > > 22. WILLIAM POWHATAN8 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM PETERSON7, PATRICK HENRY6, > WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born November 24, 1847, and > died 1920. He married LOUISA CAMPBELL MAYO, daughter of JOHN MAYO and MARY > CAMPBELL. > > Children of WILLIAM POYTHRESS and LOUISA MAYO are: > i. CHARLOTTE REED9 POYTHRESS, b. 1880, A; d. 1880. > ii. CHARLOTTE REED POYTHRESS, b. 1881, B; d. 1906. > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data Cooperative. If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > > > >

Diana, Thanks for finding this reference to William P. Poythress, the druggist in Richmond, VA. I went to the page you listed below & indeed clicked on the "Help" button & learned more about S. Bassett French, who created the cards as he compiled info on ~9,000 men for his intended "Annals of Prominent Virginians." I had no trouble reading the card on William P. Poythress, and my reading is as follows: Poythress, Wm. P. Druggist b. 18-- [apparently he didn't know when in the 1800s Wm P. P. was born] at Richmond d. [blank] at [blank] Lines: 18 Sheet: 484 From that card, I gather that there is info about Wm. P. P. on 18 lines of Sheet #484 of the S. Bassett French Collection. I can also tell from the above card that whatever the info on that sheet is, it doesn't give us even his birth &/or death dates, so it is rather doubtful whether the sheet will give us names of his father or other ancestors. Then I also clicked on the "Retrieve Doc" file. It brought up a small image of that Sheet #484 from the S. Bassett French Collection. The version I saw appeared slightly larger than a thumbnail, but *not* large enough to read it; I could tell that it was a handwritten document, and it had "DOCUMENT" stamped across it in big block letters. I saved a copy of the gif file for the image. However, from the home page for the S Bassett French collection, I learned that I need to use a "TIFF viewer that supports Group IV compression" in order to view the document -- hopefully that would allow me to see it in a larger format. I thought I had such a viewer on this computer, but apparently the one I had used before was on our home network instead. So now I have to wait for Charles to get home to get to his laptop (the other part of our network) & see if I can view the document in large enough form to be readable. If I get a more readable version of the actual document, I'll let you know what I learn from it. Or maybe one of our other List-Members can more readily read it... While there at the collection, I also looked (as I'm sure you did, too) and saw that the collection had no other Poythress cards. Then I looked thru some of the collection's Preston cards, and found one bearing the name of Joshua Preston. That card said that that Joshua Preston was a farmer & Legislator; was born in Nov. 1827 at Southampton Co; and that there are 10 lines of info about him on Sheet #489. I was interested in that name because that is the same name as the father-in-law of my great-great-grandfather James Edward Poythress. However, "my" Joshua Preston was born in about Sept of 1759; he served in the Revolutionary War and he died in May of 1835. Thus I know he is not identical to the Joshua Preston on the card in this collection. Thanks for alerting us to this collection. Barbara = = = From: "Diana Diamond" <[email protected]> Old-To: "Poythress List" <[email protected]> Subject: William P. Poythress, Druggist Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:06:50 -0500 To: [email protected] There was some discussion a few years back (see the Archives) of a drugstore in Richmond and a bottle found with the "Poythress" name on it. At the S. Bassett French collection at the LVA there is an image of Mr. French's notes on Mr. Poythress. It's a little hard to read, but I trust Maynard or Barbara can make something out of this. The page below leads you to an image that can be downloaded. http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawer/disk19/CC150/0068/P0126?42 It may interest you to know that S. Bassett French is the great grandfather of R. Bolling Batte. Be sure to read the section on Mr. French by pushing the "help" button on this web site. Diana

There was some discussion a few years back (see the Archives) of a drugstore in Richmond and a bottle found with the "Poythress" name on it. At the S. Bassett French collection at the LVA there is an image of Mr. French's notes on Mr. Poythress. It's a little hard to read, but I trust Maynard or Barbara can make something out of this. The page below leads you to an image that can be downloaded. http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawer/disk19/CC150/0068/P0126?42 It may interest you to know that S. Bassett French is the great grandfather of R. Bolling Batte. Be sure to read the section on Mr. French by pushing the "help" button on this web site. Diana

got this from the March 22,2001 notation in Ancestry Daily news if you missed it. Think I have been misinterpreting N.D as North Dakota ... When it should have been N .O. for New Orleans.. Patti TODAY @ ANCESTRY ============================================================ Today's featured column is "GC Extra," by Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CGRS. In "Amazing E-mails," Liz discusses the convenient world of e- mail and the value of e-mail etiquette. You can read today's column at: http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/columnists/main.htm ============================================================ ANCESTRY QUICK TIP ============================================================ Discovering how my great uncle came from Germany to his new home in southern Indiana was a puzzling task. He had filed a declaration of intent giving a date of entry in 1852. But, just because other German relatives had come through New York, I assumed he had, too. When I looked at the DI index, I noticed the abbreviation, 'N.D.', meaning no date--or so I thought. But a year later, reviewing out this entry in another source, the print made it clearer than before: this was not N.D. but 'N.O.'--in other words, New Orleans. Now I traced his entry quickly enough in the passenger lists and learned some extra things about his family at the time. It is important to look at abbreviations carefully, and consider more than one possible interpretation. Don't let a year go by before you glean all the information they hold! Carol Haywood Santa Rosa, CA

Reunion, which is my gen. software, has different and much more obvious choices. Importing, you choose character set (Mac or Windows), "auto source", which I think tags each person/family with the existing source number you choose, "Auto flag", which I don't understand but seems to want to flag each entry that fits some criterion (like earliest ancestor, etc.). Then it allows you to choose whether to import ancillary info like burial, notes, etc. Exporting has choices like whether to export all data or just data you have marked, "privacy filtering", which omits emails, addresses, etc., "include sources", "destination", where you choose an ancestral file (don't know what that is) or GEDCOM 4 or GEDCOM 5.5, character set, and line length, and "submitter", which I never tried. Then you choose what ancillary data to include, just as with importing. The use I've made of the import/export function has always worked fine, although I really haven't done the testing you have. Steve

Diana and all, in February I sent the following information about my GEDCOM experiences: "What I have not yet learned is how to create a GEDCOM that contains source information. Or, perhaps I am getting the source information into the GEDCOM but do not know how to get it out when I import. Anyway, whenever I export from my FTM to GEDCOM then import back into FTM, the source information is gone." (This was based on attempts I had made a long while back, perhaps several years ago.) Today I tried this again and I am pleased to let you know that I was able to recover source information successfully. Here are the details: I created a test .FTW file with six names, size 452 KB, in Family Tree Maker 5.0b (17 Sep 1998), my current version. In this I created seven master sources and uses them in several citations. In one case I applied three sources to one fact. I included a fairly long note, about a page of characters. For more fun, I included additional facts about one person - baptism, burial, religion, occupation and "temple". I exported this file to GEDCOM, which turned out to be 4 KB in size, a 100:1 reduction. I then closed the .FTW file, opened the .GED file and imported it into a new .FTW file. All the information was recovered, without corruption so far as I detected. From the experience, I have some additional questions. During both exporting and importing, I was offered some choices that I did not understand. The choices are as follows, with default answers noted: EXPORTING from .FTW to .GED (dialog box labeled "File type") - -Destination: FTW (default); TempleReady; PAF; ROOTS -GEDCOM: Version 5.5 (default); Version 4 -Character set: ANSEL; ANSI (default); IBMPC; MACINTOSH -Indented records (not checked default) -Abbreviated tags (checked default) IMPORTING from .GED to .FTW (dialog box labeled "Import from GEDCOM") - -Keep first part if location fields are too long; (selected default) -Keep last part if location fields are too long; (not selected default) -Delete underscore from names (checked default) -Add spacing in location fields (checked default) -Facts to import: NAME; BIRT; DEAT; MARR; SEX; BAPM; BURI; CONF; OCCU; RELI; NOTE (Marriage note); NOTE (first 10 selected by default, note fields not selected by default) In exporting I accepted all defaults. In importing I accepted all defaults EXCEPT that I selected all twelve fields to import, including the notes fields. I would be very interested in receiving comments on what each of these choices does. One additional comment about "facts to import". The FTM fact "Temple" was not among the twelve choices. So I assumed "Temple" would not be recovered. I was wrong, "Temple" survived. So I do not understand the purpose of the "Facts to import" dialog box. Comments and guidance would be welcomed. I have not attached the experimental files, but would be happy to send upon request. Best regards, Lyn P. Baird [email protected]

> 5) Re your > > Als:Exor......as in "the plaintiff recovers etc. and 6 pence for > > attorney's fee Als:Exor." I guess "execution costs of the trial" > > but that one's shaky. > Als: is probably the abreviation for "and others" as in et. als., meaning other parties to the suit. Exor is the abbreviation for executor, the person identified by will to administer an estate. So my assumption is that the parties of one side of this suit are the persons harmed by the executor who are bringing suit against the executor and those heirs or others who are benefiting from the actions of the executor. Of course the reverse is possible where the executor and others are bringing suit for such a thing as payment of a debt owed the estate. Craig

Maynard, in answer to your request, I offer the following even though I am no attorney. Unless stated otherwise, the following spelling & definitions are from Black's Law Dictionary, DeLuxe Fourth Edition 1951 (I am using an asterisk to surround terms that are written in italics in the dictionary): 1) "FIERI FACIAS - Means that you cause to be made. In practice, a writ of execution commanding the sheriff to levy and make the amount of a judgment from the goods and chattels of the judgment debtor." 2) "AD SATISFACIENDUM - To satisfy. The emphatic words of the writ of *capias ad satisfaciendum*, which requires the sheriff to *take* the person of the defendant *to satisfy* the plaintiff's claim." [Bpn note: Hark -- there is "capias" -- probably more likely than "copias" down in #4 here] 3) "IMPARLANCE - In early practice, imparlance meant time given to either of the parties to an action to answer the pleading of the other. It thus amounted to a continuance of the action to a further day. Literally the term signified leave given to the parties to *talk together; i.e.,* with a view to settling their differences amicably. But in modern practice it denotes a time given to the defendant to plead." [Black's then quotes 3 tiny-printed long paragraphs from 3 cases, in which case law further delineated *a general imparlance* and *a general special imparlance* and *a special imparlance* so if you have any of those, let me know & I'll quote you the correct paragraph(s) you need] 4) Black's didn't have the two words "Alias Copias" together (by any spellings). Separately, it has: "ALIAS - Latin. Otherwise; equivalent of "alias dictus" or "otherwise called" indicating one was called by one or the other of two names [followed by the case citation]; at another time; in another manner; formerly." "CAPIAS - Latin. "That you take." The general name for several species of writs, the common characteristic of which is that they require the officer to take the body of the defendant into custody; they are writs of attachment or arrest. In English practice, the process on an indictment when the person charged is not in custody, and in cases not otherwise provided for by statute." "COPIA - Latin. In civil and old English law. Opportunity or means of access. In old English law. A copy. *Copia libelli*, the copy of a libel." I also checked Barbara Jean Evans' book, The New A to Zax: A Comprehensive Genealogical Dictionary For Genealogists and Historians, Second Edition, 1990. I think there is a newer volume of this book available, which might have further abbreviations. Evans shows: "alias capias - a writ issued in another name; at some other time there was a writ for the arrest of ___ ___" 5) Re your > Als:Exor......as in "the plaintiff recovers etc. and 6 pence for > attorney's fee Als:Exor." I guess "execution costs of the trial" > but that one's shaky. I know from Val Greenwood's book, The Researcher's Guide to American Genealogy, that a colon ":" was frequently used when abbreviating a word, but Black's doesn't list "ALS" per se. It doesn't list any word that I can readily recognize this would've been the abbreviation for. And no word/phrase is listed in the "A" section that combines "als" followed by anything like "exor." It does list "AL - Latin; French. At the; [or] to the. [Black's examples given were:] *Al barre* - at the bar. *Al huis d'esglise* - at the church door." Black's also does not list "EXOR" per se, and it lists hundreds of words that begin with "ex." (I have personally seen just "exor" used to abbreviate "executor.") I don't see Black's listing abbreviations for these hundreds of words that begin with "ex" including executor, as I scan down the pages of them. Black's lists only two words that actually begin with "exor" which that portion could've been a literal abbreviation for, & those two are: - "EXORBITANT - Deviating from the normal or customary course, or going beyond the rule of established limits of right or propriety" [followed by the case law citation] - "EXORDIUM - The beginning or introductory part of a speech." So perhaps the "Als:Exor." that you ran into in the above quote was noting that they recognized that the plaintiff's recovering and getting 6 pence for attorney's fee was "to the exorbitant" extent, contrary to what is normally awarded in such a case... Evans' book shows several possibilities: "als. - alias" "a.l.s. - autograph letter signed" "als. wt. - alias writ" "exors." as an alternative abbreviation for executors, having listed "exers." too. Perhaps some other List member can chime in with more specific knowledge than Black's or Evans has on #5? Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

Even though this one only covers 3 years or less it runs 20 pages and is chock-a-block with antiquated (or maybe not antiquated) legal terms. It strikes me that a short glossary in the front might help most readers and I don't have access to a law dictionary, much less a dictionary of antiquated legal terms. I have most of them from prior experience and from the context its not to hard to guess 'em all but I'd prefer to be sure. Would one or more of you shoot me some comments from your lawyer friends or lawyer-type spouses? Thanks. (p. s. also correct my spelling if needed, those old boys weren't exactly model pensmen). 1) Fiere Facis.....I knew this one once but forgot it. 2) ad Satisfaciedum.....as in "on the copies of the ad Satisfaciedum Award to...." 3) Imparlance...this means granted a postponement.......as in "on motion an Imparlance is granted till the next court." 4) Alias Copias......as in "an Alias Copias" is granted the plaintiff"....I don't have a clue. 5) Als:Exor......as in "the plaintiff recovers etc. and 6 pence for attorney's fee Als:Exor." I guess "execution costs of the trial" but that one's shaky. Many thanks, Maynard

Response to a question about the Wall children The children of John Wall (Dorman leaves a scintilla of doubt even about him as the father) and Ann, daughter of Joshua Poythress, are in fact Nancy, William, and John Wall, according to Dorman. Nancy is sometimes a nickname for Ann, but I wasn't being clever. I was just wrong. My database contains the index cards to support other families and family members one by one. I am hopeful by reviewing each person 2 or 3 times I can catch mistakes, but I appreciate all the help I can get. Thanks for the correction. Dorman in his first volume on Francis Epes I descendants uses "The Walls of Walltown" as his source, one I am sure you know well. As to the dates, there are some inconsistencies between the so-called Chart A and the index cards. I have at times chosen to take the index cards over the chart. One thing this project has given me is a sense of how very hard it is to establish exact dates for people when their very existence is being extrapolated from wills and deeds in many cases. Batte often uses "s.t." before dates. Can someone help me with a meaning for that one? And thanks for the encouragement. I once wrote a wiseacre email to this list about how many descendants Francis Epes probably has. Now I know for sure. A lot! But with so much intermarriage among kissing cousins probably fewer than I first thought! Diana -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 1:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The P-1 Family of RBB I am following your lists as best I can and so far find only minor disagreements with dates, most of which I pulled from the chart. Thanks for the great work!! One question: When you qutoe "Dorman source" for the children of Ann P and John Wall, what source are you referring to? The reason I ask is that you show an Ann Wall I didn't know about... Steve Wall

# 7 The other families and their codes for genealogist R. Bolling Batte. The Poythress family intersects with many of the early families of Virginia. One of the intimidating things I first encountered on the Batte cards were the codes. I have teased some of the secrets out of the cards. What interested me about the following list is the number of Cocke families, to mention only one example (Randolphs began as two distinct families). The Poythresses, being a dominant group in R. Bolling Batte universe, often became the key code of many other surname groups. Please also use this list to see if you are missing family information available at-- http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html For many of the other codes see the links in the Sources at the bottom of the long list on the web page above. Diana A Archer A-1 Anderson A-2 Armistead A-3 B (Battes) Batte John 1 Batte Sarah 135 Batte Sarah 147 Batte Thomas 13 Batte Thomas 131 Batte William 12 Batte William 148 Batte William 2 Batte, Amy 134 Batte, Ann 146 Batte, Dorothy (Baugh) 133 Batte, Elizabeth (Horton 12 Batte, Elizabeth (Ligon) 143 Batte, Henry 12 Batte, Henry 141 Batte, John 11 Batte, Martha 15 Batte, Martha (Jones) 133 Batte, Martha (Mallory) 1 Batte, Rachel (Parham) 145 Batte. Martha 144 Other Bs Bland, Theodorick B-1 Bolling, Robert B-2 Baird, John B-3 Bassett, William B-4 Burwell, Lewis B-5 Booker, Edward B-6 C Chappell, Thomas C-1 Calvert, Cornelius C-2 Claiborne, William C-3 Cary, Miles C-4 Carter (Corotoman), John C-5 Cocke, Richard C-6 Custis, Edmund C-7 Collier, William C-8 Cocke, Thomas C-9 A Cocke, William C-9 B Cocke, Walter C-9 C Cocke, Christopher C-9 DA Cocke, William "Secretary" C-10 D Drummond, John D-1 Digges, Edward D-2 E Epes/Eppes, Francis E-1 Eggleston, Richard E-2 F Feild, Theophilus F-1 Friend, Thomas F-2 French, Unknown F-3 G Gilliam, William G-1 Green, George G-2 Goode, John G-3 Greenhill, Paschal G-4 H Hinton, John H-1 Harrison, Solomon H-2 Hamlin, Stephen H-3 Harrison, Benjamin H-4 I Irby, Edmund I-1 J Jones, Samuel J-1 Jones, James J-2 Jones, (Warwick) J-3 Jones, Peter J-4 Unassigned J-5 Unassigned J-6 Jones, Robert J-7 Unassigned J-8 Jefferson, Thomas J-9 L Lee, Richard L-1 N Newton, George N-1 Nelson, Thomas N-2 P Poythress, Francis P-1 Peterson, John P-2 Page, Francis P-3 R Randolph, William "Turkey I." R-1 Randolph, Henry R-2 Ravenscroft, Samuel R-3 Robertson, Rev. George R-4 Robertson, Archibald of PG R-5 S Stith, John S-1 Stratton, Edward S-2 Shippey, Thomas S-3 Stuart, Archibald S-4 T Unassigned T-1 Thorowgood, Adam T-2 Turnbull, Robert T-3 Todd, Thomas T-4 W Exists, but unknown

# 6 Joshua Poythress Generations continued and completed for now I have labeled the emails the same in this project so they will all come up together in the threaded version of the archives...But Barbara and others should be aware that some of the archives are down now as part of Rootsweb work on its servers throughout its system. Descendants of Joshua Draft Compilation Generations 4-6 Comments and corrections are welcomed. Generation No. 4 12. SUSANNA PEACHY6 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1785 in VA [(P-1) BAA AA], and died 1815 in [before 1850 also given] "Flowerdew Hundred," PG, VA. She married JOHN VAUGHAN WILLCOX 1804, son of UNKNOWN WILLCOX and HANNAH UNKNOWN. He was born August 11, 1779, and died November 23, 1863. Children of SUSANNA POYTHRESS and JOHN WILLCOX are: 18. i. JOHN7 WILLCOX, b. 1805, [(P-1) BAA AAA]; d. 1857, drowned. ii. ELIZA WILLCOX. iii. WILLIAM WILLCOX. iv. SUSAN WILLCOX. 13. JOSHUA6 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1784 in [BAA BA], and died Aft. 1854 in probably in New Jersey. He married JANE MILLS ANGUS 1810, daughter of JOHN MILLS and LUCY WORTHAM. Child of JOSHUA POYTHRESS and JANE ANGUS is: 19. i. NANCY G. D.7 POYTHRESS, b. {BAA BAA}. 14. THOMAS EPPES6 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1800, and died 1847. He married BEERSHEEBA BRYANT. Child of THOMAS POYTHRESS and BEERSHEEBA BRYANT is: i. CAROLINE7 POYTHRESS, b. 1817; d. October 01, 1824. 15. PATRICK HENRY6 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born in [(P-1) BAA BD], and died 1822. He married MARY ELIZABETH EPPES, daughter of PETERSON EPES. She was born 1795. Children of PATRICK POYTHRESS and MARY EPPES are: 20. i. WILLIAM PETERSON7 POYTHRESS, b. 1810, [(P-1) BAA BDA]; d. 1862, Nassau, BWI. ii. MARY POYTHRESS, b. [(P-1) BAA BDB]. iii. A.H. POYTHRESS, b. [(P-1) BAA BDC] unmarried. iv. THOMAS EPPES POYTHRESS, b. [(P-1) BAA BDD]; d. 1847. 16. ELIZABETH MILLS6 FRASER (ELIZABETH5 POYTHRESS, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born in VA [(P-1) BAA CF]. She married RYLAND RANDOLPH Abt. 1794, son of RICHARD RANDOLPH and ANNE MEADE. He was born Abt. 1764 in VA ((R-1) 516]. Child of ELIZABETH FRASER and RYLAND RANDOLPH is: i. RICHARD RYLAND7 RANDOLPH, b. VA [(P-1) BAA CFA]. 17. THOMAS POYTHRESS6 COCKE (ELIZABETH5 POYTHRESS, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born July 31, 1774, and died February 22, 1840 in lived in Aberdeen. He married SARAH COLLEY 1810. Children of THOMAS COCKE and SARAH COLLEY are: 21. i. NATHANIEL COLLEY7 COCKE, b. C-9 bcb ada. ii. MARTHA COCKE, m. JAMES COCKE. Generation No. 5 18. JOHN7 WILLCOX (SUSANNA PEACHY6 POYTHRESS, JOSHUA5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1805 in [(P-1) BAA AAA], and died 1857 in drowned. He married MARY JANE MCGOWAN October 20, 1834 in Petersburg, VA, daughter of WILLIAM MCGOWAN and MARGARET PHELAN. She was born September 05, 1817, and died September 16, 1892 in Petersburg, VA. Children of JOHN WILLCOX and MARY MCGOWAN are: i. JOHN VAUGHAN8 WILLCOX, b. unmarried; d. 1869, Drowned. ii. ELIZA WILLCOX. iii. WILLIAM WILLCOX, b. January 19, 1843, "Flower de Hundred" Prince George County, VA; d. April 28, 1882, no issue Married maybe to Susan Ruffin. iv. SUSAN WILLCOX, b. unmarried. v. ROBERT BOLLING WILLCOX, b. October 06, 1847; d. December 09, 1914; m. MARTHA T. DODSON, 1869; d. 1923, Petersburg, VA. 19. NANCY G. D.7 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA6, WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born in {BAA BAA}. She married (1) ROBERT CARTER HARRISON, son of COLLIER HARRISON and BEERSHEEBA BRYANT. He was born in [BAA BAA (H)]. She married (2) JOHN CRANE. Children of NANCY POYTHRESS and ROBERT HARRISON are: i. JANE ANGUS8 HARRISON, b. died unmarried. ii. ROBERT COLLIER HARRISON, b. VA [(P-1) BAA BAA B]; m. JANE DEHART RANDOLPH; b. VA (R-1) 313 bf. iii. MAITLAND HARRISON. 20. WILLIAM PETERSON7 POYTHRESS (PATRICK HENRY6, WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1810 in [(P-1) BAA BDA], and died 1862 in Nassau, BWI. He married CHARLOTTE REED, daughter of ELIAS REED and SARAH BLOCK. She was born June 06, 1825, and died June 24, 1897 in Richmond, VA. Children of WILLIAM POYTHRESS and CHARLOTTE REED are: i. MARY8 POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1845; d. d. inf.. ii. PATRICK HENRY POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1846; d. 1863, d.y.. 22. iii. WILLIAM POWHATAN POYTHRESS, b. November 24, 1847; d. 1920. iv. SARAH REED POYTHRESS, b. February 09, 1852. v. WALTER EPPES POYTHRESS, b. August 20, 1861; d. 1888; m. MARIE JOSEPHINE BROUSE. 21. NATHANIEL COLLEY7 COCKE (THOMAS POYTHRESS6, ELIZABETH5 POYTHRESS, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born in C-9 bcb ada. He married VIRGINIA ANN PETERSON. Children of NATHANIEL COCKE and VIRGINIA PETERSON are: i. MARY HERBERT8 COCKE. ii. JOHN JAMES COCKE. iii. SARAH COLLEY COCKE. iv. ANNE HAYES COCKE. v. VIRGINIA PETERSON COCKE. vi. ELIZABETH COCKE. vii. NATHANIELCOLLEY COCKE. viii. THOMAS COCKE. ix. CHARLES HARRISON COCKE. Generation No. 6 22. WILLIAM POWHATAN8 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM PETERSON7, PATRICK HENRY6, WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born November 24, 1847, and died 1920. He married LOUISA CAMPBELL MAYO, daughter of JOHN MAYO and MARY CAMPBELL. Children of WILLIAM POYTHRESS and LOUISA MAYO are: i. CHARLOTTE REED9 POYTHRESS, b. 1880, A; d. 1880. ii. CHARLOTTE REED POYTHRESS, b. 1881, B; d. 1906.