#10 Whence the Bolling in R. Bolling Batte's name? What does it mean for Peter (Flowerdew Hundred) Poythress's wife? I also have been working on another intriguing name puzzle. Where did the Bolling in R. Bolling's name come from? Tentative conclusion: he never knew. Since RBB did some work in the 1960s for my mother with his daughter (I remembered her at one time to be a niece), I have had a number of questions, but two special questions: How is it he has so much information on my ancestors? Why did he once think that my ancestor Peter Poythress was married to a Bolling descendant of Jane Poythress? Why did he back off this notion in the Chart A in 1997. Why is there no mention of it in his index cards? ? BOLLING In answer to the first question, I discover by working out Batte's own genealogy, that we share many ancestors, and many of his ancestors we don't share have surnames names similar to my own Virginia ancestors. What a fortunate coincidence for me! On the Bolling question, I see that Robert Bolling Batte bears the identical name to his grandfather. That Robert Bolling Batte was born September 05, 1842 His father was John Henry Batte, son of Mary Poythress and John Batte. Mary Poythress's parents were first cousins once removed. Mary was the daughter of Peter Poythress (Robert, John, Francis Poythress Immigrant) Mary's mother was Elizabeth Bland (whose mother Anne Poythress was the daughter of Peter Poythress (of Flowerdew Hundred) and ______?______)(? Bolling) (later Anne__),this Peter being another son of John Poythress, son of Francis Poythress immigrant). This Anne Mr. Batte indicates was a widow, but I haven't deciphered the meaning of the initials he gives us on the index card (BRR). See Poythress Card 140. [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html] In essence all the ancestors are worked out for three generations and then some. There are no Bollings. I suspect also RBB, the genealogist, had a family legend that they were descended from Pocahontas. As you know, there were a whole lot of so-called "White Bollings." If one were to find a place for a Bolling in Mr. Batte's family tree, the wife of Peter Poythress seems the best bet. I figure that Batte looked for confirmation, but finding none, stopped attaching Mrs. Peter Poythress to the Bolling family. This is, of course, conjecture. I will send a copy in chart form of the ancestry of Robert Bolling Batte 1842-1915 on request. As you all know, rootsweb doesn't permit attachments. Diana

Thank you, Lou, Maynard, Craig, for shedding such erudite light on naming patterns. I figured there was less here than meets the eye, but in some ways, the discussion indicated there may be more here than I had figured. I was particularly interested in Lou's contrast between the New England colonials and the Virginia colonials, particularly as I have some of each. The history of naming is interesting even if it doesn't help the search. I shall certainly look up the book mentioned. But Craig's mention of the random family where parents just name their children after friends/neighbors is true also in my family. An uncle writes (in correspondence discovered recently) that he was named after his parents' best man. I guess I may never know why my great granddaddy, fresh from the CSA army, named his children the way he did. That the Welsh have been credited with a naming system was, of course, also news to me. Please see the email that follows for another naming question I've been pondering. Diana

Would someone who has this connection get in touch with Gene and tell him about the mailing list and the website. Please. C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene M. Ransom, Jr." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: Poythress Website > Hi Craig > > When we spoke at the VGS program, you said that you would send me the > url for the Poythress website. I am the Gene Ransom who is related to > the Richard Ransom who married Kezziah Portis in Granville County later > Franklin county NC > > Thanks > > Gene >

My experience is that with the exception of the 16th and 17th century Scottish and the occasional German, folks pretty much do what they want to when it comes to naming. There are no universals such as this in genealogy. It is a nice tool that will send you down the wrong trail more often than not. One of my ancestors named all of his children after is neighbors. That was kind of cool, but it was just in one generation. C. Craig R. Scott, CGRS Willow Bend Books 65 East Main Street Westminster, MD 21157-5026 [email protected] www.WillowBendBooks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Diamond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: Naming Patterns > A query for you old hands out there. Any thoughts on how to use names of > ancestors to find areas of possible interest for finding the next generation > back, particularly in Virginia. Maynard, Craig, Barbara, Lou, Lyn? > > I came across this quote recently to explain an ancestor's background where > good records don't exist, "It seems to have been the universal pattern to > name the first son after the father's father and the second son after the > mother's father." > > I find in an ancestor's family after the civil war there are a lot of middle > names that don't seem to exist in the family tree. Could these names have > been in honor of civil war buddies, good friends, very remote ancestors? > > I came across this as pattern for German ancestors, who I also learn were > fond of giving everyone one saint's name, which finally made clear why > everyone had four names. > > Pattern A > > 1st son after the father's father > 2nd son after the mother's father > 3rd son after the father > 4th son after the father's father's father > 5th son after the mother's father's father > 6th son after the father's mother's father > 7th son after the mother's mother's father > > 1st daughter after the mother's mother > 2nd daughter after the father's mother > 3rd daughter after the mother > 4th daughter after the father's father's mother > 5th daughter after the mother's father's mother > 6th daughter after the father's mother's mother > 7th daughter after the mother's mother's mother > > > Pattern B > > The pattern B for the sons is the same as the above > but this pattern for daughters was different > > 1st daughter after the father's mother > 2nd daughter after the mother's mother > 3rd daughter after the mother > 4th daughter after the mother's father's mother > 5th daughter after the father's father's mother > > > Pattern C > > 1st son after the father's father > 2nd son after the mother's father > 3rd son after the father's oldest brother > 4th son after the father > > 1st daughter after the father's mother > 2nd daughter after the mother's mother > 3rd daughter after the mother's oldest sister > 4th daughter after the mother > > Diana > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data Cooperative. If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > >

Dinwiddie County, VA Land Taxes (BPN Revision 4/8/2001) (revised by adding dittos & eliminating many tabs, so columns will not be confusing with various email programs) Year Individual, Acres 1787 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000 " 324 " 404 1788 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000 " 324 " 404 1789 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000 " 324 " 404 1790 (illegible) 1791 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000 " 324 " 404 1792 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000 " 324 " 404 1793 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000 " 404 (find deed for the 324 acres; this "324" rev by BPN from "300") 1794 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000 " 404 1795 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000 "404 1796 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 (find deed for Peter's 404 acres and Francis' 100 acres) 1797 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 1798 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 1800 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 1801 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 1802 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 1803 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 1804 (illegible) 1805 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 1806 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 1807 - Poythress, Peter, 1000 Poythress, Francis, 100 1808 No report 1809 No report 1810 No report (No further records on microfilm) Transcribed at Clayton Genealogical Library, Houston, TX 22 Mar 2001 J. M. P.

Diana.....I have used that naming pattern "formula" just enough to find out it gets me in trouble....only safe way to me seems to go at it backwards.;..if the formula says the guys name "ought to be" Joe then you look for Joes....and if Joe doesn't pop right out toting his own "proof" just forget it. Besides, I was confused as to just what ethnic group or nationality it was supposed to apply to......several different ones have claimed "exclusive rights"; the Welsh most loudly. I'm about ready to deep six my inoperable HP Scanner after having every super-geek in the world to look at it. Lo and behold in comes this months issue of Consumer Reports giving best buy rating to a $65 Agfa jobbie that also has OCR (provided the "copy" is "type" and assuming one has sense enough to learn how to use it) which is a real plus. Also interesting that the best buy guy was only 300 dpi and CU says there is not a nickels worth of difference that the average eye can tell. Part of my xerox collection out of W&M Quarterly are four or five 5-page studies from Dr. Hall titled, for example, "A Study of the William Poythresses". As we have discovered, Dr. Hall's studies are often flawed by his lack of information available in the quantity we have it. However, it strikes me that these will open some doors for us. Soon as I can get cranked up I'll start on it, having finished off the PG in Clayton. Maynard

Names are, of course, important clues, and particularly when a family used one of those odd "signature" names that passed down through the generations (which, unfortunately, our Poythress family did not -- to my knowledge). But one has to be very wary of the so-called "naming pattern rules" that get propagated from time to time among genealogy circles. David Hackett Fischer in his "Albion's Seed" (heartily recommended, BTW) discusses the cultures of the four major groups that came to America from England: the New England Puritans/Calvinists, the Pennsylvania Quakers, the Virginia Cavaliers (Anglicans), and the (he calls them) "borderers" (or Scots-Irish/Presbyterians). ALL USED DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT PATTERNS (when they used them at all). The proper name of the subject is "Onomastics," or naming ways. One should also note that the differentiation is as much correlated with the religious beliefs of the people, as their culture, which is not surprising since they were so intertwined anyway Fischer makes the point, though, that the so-called naming patterns among these groups was certainly no hard, fast rule, and in his study is only correlatible to about 40-60%. That tells us that even if we know to which group a particular family belongs, the onomastics can only be considered a clue, and not a particularly good one. Quoting a few relevant sentences: "Only about half of all forenames in the Chesapeake colony [Virginia] came from the Scriptures, compared with 90 percent in New England..." "Virginians preferred to name their sons after Teutonic warriors, Frankish knights and English kings. Special favorites included William, Robert, Richard, Edward, George and Charles..." "The daughters of Virginia received the names of Christian saints who did not appear in the Bible and also traditional English folk names -- Margaret, Jane, Catherine, Frances and Alice -- as well as the universal English favorites of Mary, Elizabeth, Anne and Sarah." [p. 307] "The onomastic system was also distinctive in the descent of names. In Massachusetts, as we have seen, eldest children were named after their parents, and younger children after grandparents and other relatives. That pattern was reversed in Virginia: first-born children were named for their grandparents, and second-born for parents. One study of naming patterns in Middlesex County, Virginia, finds that only 27 percent of eldest sons and 19 percent of first-born daughters were given their parents' forenames, compared with more than 67 percent in Massachusetts. But 60 percent of eldest sons in Virginia received their grandparents' names, compared with 37 percent in Massachusetts..." [p. 308] "Complex patterns of cousin naming also appeared in Virginia, as they also did among the gentry of the south of England. Lateral ties were added to linear ties, to create a complex grid of naming customs..." [p. 310] "The naming of children was not entirely determined by this calculus of social rank and material interest. Names were also chosen for magical properties. Astrologers were consulted in an attempt to find a fortunate name. The 'fortune books' of the first gentlemen of England and Virginia were full of astrological lore on this question. This search for a lucky name tempered the use of necronyms in this culture. The Virginians, like New Englanders, tended to repeat forenames whenever children died. But they did so with some reluctance, for when children died young, their fathers feared to use names which had seemed unlucky.." [p. 310] That should be enough to warn one off of depending too much on naming patterns. But I'll also touch on the Quaker and Scots-Irish patterns: "Unlike New England Puritans, Quakers named their first-born children after grandparents. Unlike Virginia Anglicans, they were careful to honor maternal and paternal lines in an even-handed way..." [p. 503] "In another respect, however, backcountry naming customs were not unique. The descent of names from one generation to the next was very similar to the folkways of Virginia and the south of England, but different from Puritan and Quaker customs. Eldest sons in the backcountry tended to be named after grandfathers, and second or third sons after fathers, much as tidewater Chesapeake families..." The naming pattern that Diana cited was clearly, then, one from New England (where rules were rules and everybody better d____ follow them! NOT! <g>) Hope that gives some insight into this subject. Lou

A query for you old hands out there. Any thoughts on how to use names of ancestors to find areas of possible interest for finding the next generation back, particularly in Virginia. Maynard, Craig, Barbara, Lou, Lyn? I came across this quote recently to explain an ancestor's background where good records don't exist, "It seems to have been the universal pattern to name the first son after the father's father and the second son after the mother's father." I find in an ancestor's family after the civil war there are a lot of middle names that don't seem to exist in the family tree. Could these names have been in honor of civil war buddies, good friends, very remote ancestors? I came across this as pattern for German ancestors, who I also learn were fond of giving everyone one saint's name, which finally made clear why everyone had four names. Pattern A 1st son after the father's father 2nd son after the mother's father 3rd son after the father 4th son after the father's father's father 5th son after the mother's father's father 6th son after the father's mother's father 7th son after the mother's mother's father 1st daughter after the mother's mother 2nd daughter after the father's mother 3rd daughter after the mother 4th daughter after the father's father's mother 5th daughter after the mother's father's mother 6th daughter after the father's mother's mother 7th daughter after the mother's mother's mother Pattern B The pattern B for the sons is the same as the above but this pattern for daughters was different 1st daughter after the father's mother 2nd daughter after the mother's mother 3rd daughter after the mother 4th daughter after the mother's father's mother 5th daughter after the father's father's mother Pattern C 1st son after the father's father 2nd son after the mother's father 3rd son after the father's oldest brother 4th son after the father 1st daughter after the father's mother 2nd daughter after the mother's mother 3rd daughter after the mother's oldest sister 4th daughter after the mother Diana

Maynard, Glad you approve. I'll be glad to continue re-posting stuff that way whenever you send it to me. It makes it so handy to have it in the List Archives, as an always-available back-up storage site for all of us. With an internet connection to our Archives, we can consult previous documents when we've gone to some other research location, for example, and don't want to duplicate work that has already been done. I think the fact that the documents each become small enough to fit into becoming a free-standing message, is only due to changing the document from a Word document to a pure "text" document. With a r-e-a-l-l-y long document, I would no doubt hit CompuServe's limit on the length of the message, too. (I know it has a limit, because I have hit that limit before when attempting to copy bunches of stuff into one message.) And I think the not-messing-up of the spacing actually occurs before I copy the file into CompuServe's blank email message field, when I am actually in Word. For the benefit of anyone wanting to do a similar thing with any other document, here is the cookbook version of what I'm doing: - first have the document open in Word (unzipping the file if necessary) - second (if that document hasn't already been saved on my computer where I want it to be filed) I hit "Save As" and give it a Word file name, ending in ".doc" and make sure it is saving it where I want it to be - third, I print out the document & write the file name on the upper corner - fourth, hit "Save As" a *second time* and this time in the "file type" box at the bottom, I select "text only" and that changes the file name that I chose immediately above into the same named file except ending in ".txt" - close the document (this step may not be essential, but I find it helpful since the appearance of the document on the screen hasn't changed yet) - "Open" the ".txt" version of the document & briefly look over the document that now shows on the screen in pure text like we normally see in our emails (to make sure it looks okay) - hold down the "Control" key & hit the letter "A" to block the entire document - hold down the "Alt" key & hit the letter "E" for Edit & then select "C" for copying that entire blocked document - go to my email program (in my case CompuServe) & open a new blank message & address it to the List with a message title that is descriptive of what the file/message is - in the message-content field, put my cursor and hold down the "Alt" key & hit the letter "E" for Edit & then select "P" for pasting the entire blocked document into that message field This way, when folks receive the message/file, they can just "save" the message wherever they want it on their own computer, giving the file whatever name they want it to have. Then if they wish to fancy-it-up some, they can re-open it in Word & make the font one they like better, & make titles bigger, etc. Cheers, Barbara (BPN) ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: [email protected] From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:00:09 EDT Subject: BPN Re-posts To: [email protected] Hey, Barb, NEAT idea. Since AOL clamps me down at about 2.5MB per e-mail itself and zips all attachments in excess of that.....its a neat idea for you to re--post to the list "in the clear" and "inside the e-mail" (as apparently Compuserve allows you to do with a much higher size threshhold than AOL). And even better, when Compuserver "scans" the stuff to e-mail it doesn't trash up the spacing to some intolerable level as many other servers do. I guess the only potential downside is if some member's OWN server trashes up the spacing badly. Anyway, in future I'll only send this stuff to the list and "my" list and you can repost for the others if that's okay.....looks like a better method than the one I dreamed up. Maynard

Hey, Barb, NEAT idea. Since AOL clamps me down at about 2.5MB per e-mail itself and zips all attachments in excess of that.....its a neat idea for you to re--post to the list "in the clear" and "inside the e-mail" (as apparently Compuserve allows you to do with a much higher size threshhold than AOL). And even better, when Compuserver "scans" the stuff to e-mail it doesn't trash up the spacing to some intolerable level as many other servers do. I guess the only potential downside is if some member's OWN server trashes up the spacing badly. Anyway, in future I'll only send this stuff to the list and "my" list and you can repost for the others if that's okay.....looks like a better method than the one I dreamed up. Maynard

Dinwiddie County Land Taxes (JMP Revision 4/6/2001) Year Individual Acres 1787 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood 1000 324 404 1788 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood 1000 324 404 1789 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood 1000 324 404 1790 (illegible) 1791 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood 1000 324 404 1792 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood 1000 324 404 1793 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood 1000 404 (find deed for the 300 acres) 1794 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood 1000 404 1795 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood 1000 404 1796 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 (find deed for Peter's 404 acres and Francis' 100 acres) 1797 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 1798 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 1800 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 1801 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 1802 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 1803 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 1804 (illegible) 1805 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 1806 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 1807 Poythress, Peter 1000 Poythress, Francis 100 1808 No report 1809 No report 1810 No report (No further records on microfilm) Transcribed at Clayton Genealogical Library, Houston, TX 22 Mar 2001 J. M. P.

(JMP Revision 5 Apr 2001) Prince George County, VA Deeds & Wills 1787-1792 30 Feb 1787 Settlement of Estate of Alexander Robertson (p. 13-14, abstracted) [note: this is a very complex document with numerous columns, headings and subheadings] Sums due to various persons (among others): Cash to John Poythress Cash to Joshua Poythress To Ann Poythress Morison: 545 pounds 12 slaves several houses, plantation items June, 1783 (date written?) Wit: Joshua Poythress Richard Bland Elizabeth Blair Bland 12 Apr 1787 Will of Elizabeth Poythress (P. 17, abstracted) Elizabeth Poythress of Prince George County, widow of Peter Poythress (deceased as well). In consideration of natural affection for daughter Sally Lee and "to prevent any dispute which may happen in the construction of my husband's will respecting the devise in the said will of Kate's daughter 'Fanny' to my said daughter Sally Lee"..."which was in said will devised to me...", I give my said daughter Sally Lee the said Negro Fanny and her children Becky, Betty and Kate and their increase...". "....my hand and seal the ___ day of ____, 1787. Signed: Elizabeth Poythress (signed with a waxer) Wit: John Batte, Tabitha Randolph, William Bingham 14 Apr 1787 At court held this date for Prince George County this foregoing deed from Elizabeth Poythress to her daughter Sally Lee was proved by the oaths of John Batte and William Bingham......by order of the court duly recorded. Teste: C. S. Russell 12 Feb 1788 Will of Mary Poythress (abstracted and inclusive of related papers transcribed) P. 111-12 Dear Sir: Since writing to you yesterday it has ocurred to me that Tuesday next is Prince George Court day and being too unwell to give my attendence at that time imagine it may be necessary for Mrs. Poythress' will to be proved and I shall be much obliged to you to inform Miss Susanna Poythress that I hope she will save me from acting as an Excr being well satisfied from my state of health added to the great distance I am from the Estate I shall be found a very improper person to discharge that trust. As you mentioned to me yesterday that I was the only surviving heir named in the will it may be necessary that the court should be informed of my resignation which may be done with this letter. Miss Poythress, being of lawful age can become an Administrix with the will as needed or get some friend that she can confide in to Administer, which will be as effectual as if the Executor named in the will had qualified. I am with every sentiment of respect, Your Mo Ob Sev, Nicholas Faulcon P. S Pray give Miss Poythress Monday morng 1st Feb 1788 this letter tomorrow as I expect she will want her mother's Will Proved on Tuesday. At a Court held for Prince George County at the Court House on Friday the 12th day of February 1788 - the foregoing relinquishment of Nick Faulcon's Right of Executorship in the Will of Mary Poythress dced was presented into court by Susanna Poythress and being proved by William Poythress the same is by Order of the Court truly (sic) Recorded. Teste --- C. A. Russell Clk. Will of Mary Poythress of Martin's Brandon Parish, County of Prince George (abstracted): To Wilmuth Harrison (daughter) as token of affection for her a plain gold ring and a pair of gold sleeve buttons. To my Daughter Susanna Poythress all the residue of and every species of Property, etc. that I may die possessed of....home, cattle, sheep....my portion of my (devisement?) from Peter Poythress' legacy by his will. Constitute and appoint my friends Nicholas Faulcon (?), Peter Poythress and Joshua Poythress to be executors. Signed: Mary (X) Poythress Wit: Dorothy Reed, Colin Cocke, Barbary J. Norton, Jos. [Joshua] Poythress, Susanna Cocke. 12 Apr 1788 At a Court held for Prince George County at the Court House on Friday the 12th day of February 1788 - the foregoing will was presented into Court by Susanna Poythress and being proved by the Oaths of Colin Cocke and Susanna Cocke two of the Witnesses thereto, the same is by Order of Court truly (sic) recorded - at the same time Susanna Poythress gave Bond and Security for the faithfull administering on the Estate of Mary Poythress upon which certificate is granted her for obtaining Letters of Administration with the said Will annexed. Teste - C. A. Russell, Clk. 5 Oct 1787 Deed for Lease (p. 114-115) Mary Poythress of Prince George County, Martin's Brandon Parish to Daniel Sturdivant of Prince George County Sum: 20 pounds Land: 100 acres, 6 year lease. Signed: Mary Poythress (seal) Wit: Wm. Birchett, James Sturdivant, John Sturdivant, James Davenport. 8 Jun 1790 Deed (p. 362) William Poythress Junr of Prince George County to Edward Marks, of the same county of the other part Sum: 250 lbs. Land: two tracts or parcells in Prince George County being the remainder of that tract of land in Blackwater Swamp known by the name of "Poythress' quarter" (400 acres) and one tract lying South of the Quaker's Road (30 acres). Signed: William Poythress Junr Wit: (blotted off page before microfilming) 8 Jun 1790 Bond (p. 362) Acknowledges bond unto Edward Marks (1,000 lbs) to guarantee title of above. Signed: Peter Poythress 12 Jan 1790 Deed (p. 369) William Poythress, Junior, Gentleman of County of Prince George to Robert Birchett of Prince George County Sum: 300 pounds of lawful money of Virginia Land: in Prince George County south side of Blackwater Swamp (no acreage stated but description of boundaries is long and detailed). Signed: William Poythress, Jr., William Harris Wit: J. Williams, Samuel Vaughn, Wm. Birchett, Wm. Birchett junr. 10 Aug 1790 Will Proved (p. 403) Will of John Morison, dated 19 Apr 1785, proved 10 Aug 1790 Wife: Ann Poythress Morison, whole estate. Makes reference that wife now with child. To brother Alexander Morison, Plantation in Brunswick County and Warren County, North Carolina. To five sisters (not named). Brother: Theodorick Morison. Mentions land bought by his father of Ravenscroft. Wife, Anne, and her father Richard Bland, Esq., with brother David Morison, named as executors. Will proved by the oaths of Edmund Ruffin, George Ruffin and John Batte, the witnesses thereto. (abstract above courtesy of Carol A. Morrison) 26 July 1790 Articles of Agreement (p. 416) Between William Poythress and Thomas Harris.. William Poythress has claimed an interest in a tract of land where said Thomas Harris lives and the said William Poythress and Thomas Harris being willing to settle the affair and affix the right title... John Harris gives William Poythress title to a house sold by William Poythress to Robert Birchett. House and land had been willed to William Poythress by Peter Poythress that was sold unto Walter Munnery and Nathanial Tatum. Signed: William Poythress Wit: Edward Marks, Nathaniel Mackay, Boswell Becking 2 Oct 1790 Deed (p. 422) William Poythress and Mary his wife of Prince George County to William Samuel Peachey of Amelia County Sum: 1,350 pounds current money of Virginia Land: 300 acres, being Property along the James River in Prince George County and being the lower part of the Plantation Flower=de=hundred whereon Joshua Poythress the elder his late father lived and devised by will to the said William Poythress. Signed: William Poythress (Sealed with a Waxer) Wit: Charles Duncan, William M. Carter 25 Feb 1790 Deed (p. 579) William Poythress of Prince George County, son of Peter Poythress, late of said county(dced).. to Christopher McConnice of Town of Petersburg Sum: 400 pounds current money of Virginia Land: parcell of land lying in Petersburg heretofore called Blandford and distinguished on the plot or plan of said town as lot 52. Also, all the low grounds on the River of Appomattox lying between the said lot 52 and the lot 53 to the boundary lines of lot 54 to Donald and Frazer, Merchants in the town. Signed: William Poythress Wit: George Marable Thomas Gardinor Hamilton Burge 13 May 1790 Deed (P. 363) [note: both date and page number are questionable] Elizabeth and Francis B. [Burrell?] Green, Exors to William Green To William Poythress, Jr. Sum: blotted, "blotted...hundred and 74 pounds" Land and other: completely blotted. 15 Aug 1790 Deed (P. 623-4) John Baird and Charles Duncan excrs of Last Will and Testament of Robert Boyd of the first part & William Mayo, excr of Last Will and Testament of Peter Poythress and Elizabeth, the widow of said Peter Poythress of the second part & James Cureton of Prince George County of the third part (Walter Boyd wills use of his house and lands in Blandford to his wife and after her death she should leave it to his brother Robert Boyd and his heirs forever. Shortly after the death of Walter Boyd, his widow quitted the house and surrendered it to Robert Boyd. Robert, in his last will and testament authorized his executors.....whereupon the said (John) Baird and (Charles) Duncan sold to Peter Poythress. Peter, in his last will and testament devised to his son-in-law William Mayo with consent of Elizabeth his wife. Whereupon, the said William Mayo with approval of Peter's widow Elizabeth, sold the houses and land to James Cureton). Sum: 900 pounds Current Money of Virginia Signed: John Baird dced excr Charles Duncan William Mayo Elizabeth Poythress Wit: John Thweatt for William Mayo John Batte as to William Mayo Edmund Hanson for Baird & Duncan Jos. Weisiger for Baird & Duncan Jno. Baird Junr for estate and Baird & Duncan Jos. Weisiger for Mrs. Elizabeth Poythress John Baird for Mrs. Elizabeth Poythress Robert Stuart for Mrs. Elizabeth Poythress 11 Oct 1791 Deed (p. 623-4) John Baird & Charles Duncan & William Mayo and Elizabeth Poythress & James Cureton (Court confirms above). 2 Aug 1791 (p. 558) Gentlemen: As I conceive it more consistent with my interests to renounce the will of my deceased husband and to claim the benefit of my dower in his estate I beg leave to notify you of this my desire and humbly hope that your worships in your judicial capacity at our next court will make such order as you in your wisdom shall seem consistent with Law and my interest. I am with due respect your worshipful most obedient servant. Ann P. [Poythress] Morison Witness William Poythress junr Geo Ruffin This letter of renunciation of Ann P. Morison to any interest in her dced husband's will was presented into Court and proved by the Oaths of William Poythress junr and George Ruffin the witnesses through and by order of the Court is truly (sic) recorded. Teste Peter Williams clk About Sept 1791 (p. 622) Deed Elizabeth Poythress to (remainder of document illegible) 2 Oct 1790 (p. 643) Right of Dower Release Commonwealth of Virginia & Peter Epes Edwards Island and Edmund Shores Re Deed of William Poythress and his wife Mary in the conveyance of 400 acres to William Samuel Peachey. This document is conventional order of the court to executors to examine Mary Poythress apart from her husband William to ascertain that she is indeed releasing her dower rights for the sale of this property (inasmuch as "said Mary cannot travel to the county court"). Court finds that release of dower was properly obtained and court certifies the right to sell this property. (Teste: Peter Williams) 25 Feb 1791 (p. 579) Commonwealth of Virginia to Peter Epes and Pleasant Cocke Whereas, William Poythress, son of Peter Poythress dced to Christopher McConnice Land and house in Blandford Town of Petersburg (William Poythress, by death of his father (Peter) to whom he is heir-at-law, the above (Epes and Cocke) are instructed to determine if Elizabeth Poythress, wife of Peter, surrenders dower rights. 9 May 1792 (p. 680) Deed William Poythress of the Parish of Martin's Brandon, Prince George Co. To James Cureton of the same "parish and county aforesaid." Sum: Lb. 102.5 Land: 103 acres (otherwise undescribed) Court so orders 11 May 1792, Teste: Peter Williams, Clk. P. G. County 9 May 1792 (p. 681) Deed James Cureton of the Parish of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County To William Poythress, of the parish and county aforesaid Sum: Lb. 102.5 Land: 80 1/2 acres (otherwise undescribed) Court so orders 11 May 1792, Teste: Peter Williams, Clk. P. G. County (note for above: it appears that William Poythress and James Cureton were in effect swapping pieces of land and perhaps the identical sum of money changing hands was to "establish" that the transaction involved separate purchases).

(JMP Revision 5 Apr 2001) Prince George County, VA Surveys as Proxy Census 1720-1726 Note: the following land surveys were extracted from the 1713-1728 Deeds and Wills Book of Prince George County. Introductory comments in the index implied that these surveys would represent a proxy census of Prince George County, or at least, a census of the property holders. It is also inferred that Surveys (or even "re-surveys) might have been taken in these years resulting from an Act of Assembly in something resembling a "land census." This document is likely flawed in several ways: first, by definition it could only be a proxy census of landowners....anyone else was missed. Second, the small quantity of these censuses make it questionable if a sizable portion of the county was resurveyed. Second, it appears more likely that these were random censuses ordered by the property holder for his own reasons; not a "land census" which likely would not have taken six years to complete. Never-the-less, these census records are of value and are interesting to compare to land still in the hands of Poythress family members when Virginia began requiring (descriptive) land taxes 70 or so years later in 1792. 22 Mar 1720/1 To a survey for Capt. ffrancis Poythres on the upper or west side of Butterwood Swamp. 387 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor 23 Mar 1720/1 To a survey for John Woodleif on both sides of the upper Rocky Run of Stony Creek. 212 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor 12 Dec 1722 To a survey for Thomas Poythres on both sides of the upper Rocky Run on Stony Creek. 248 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor 13 Dec 1722 To a survey for William Poythres on both sides of the reedy branch of Butterwood Swamp. 206 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor 19 Dec 1722 To a survey for Robert Poythres, on the lower side of Butterwood Swamp 291 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor 4 Jan 1726 To a survey for William Poythres, the forks of the reedy branch of Butterwood Swamp. 343 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor 4 Jan 1726 To a survey for Francis Poythres Junr on the upper side of Butterwood Swamp. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor

(JMP Revision 6 Apr, 2001) Prince George County Court Orders 1714-1720 Notes: this unindexed reel was scanned Mar, '01. Entries are stated by Court Order Book page number omitting dates as the date most often prefaces the text of that particular court meeting. Entries in parenthesis are abstracted; entries not in parentheses are transcriptions. Typically, when a Poythress appears pertinent to a proceeding itself the entry is transcribed; a proceeding with a Poythress as an indirect participant I have most often elected to abstract the entry. Generally, "court orders" will be brief and to the point, containing few if any details of the court considerations leading to the order. Most are transcribed because there is so little it is easier to transcribe than to abstract. Details of cases are typically missing. Court orders were not intended to detail the proceedings of a case, only its conclusion. Given the need to "de-emphasize" dates in this group of records, I have simply listed the entries by Court Order page numbers and shown the date(s) of the particular court that issued the order. Often the dates will appear out of order. P. 4 (Biggins vs. Short, 6 Jan 1714; Robert Poythres and Edward Epes on jury). P. 19 (14 Jun 1715; John Poythres among others listed present as a "gentleman justice" for the court. Typically, these gentlemen justices are listed as "present" at the recording of each monthly opening of the court.) P. 25 (12 July 1715; John Poythres among others present as gentl justice). P. 26 12 Jul 1715; On the motion of Thomas Harrison it is ordered that his bond for the care and payment of the estates of two of the orphans of Robert Drayton dced be delivered out of the clerk's office, the estates being committed to care of Francis and Peter Poythres, guardians to the said orphans. P. 27 12 Jul 1715; Francis Poythres acknowledges a deed for land (executed and sealed) bearing date 12 Jun 1715 to Peter Grammar and his heirs on whose motion the same is committed to record. P. 28 (6 July 1715; John Poythres among others present as gentl justice). P. 28 (9 Aug 1715; John Poythres among others present as gent justice). P. 32 (13 Sep 1715; John Poythres among others present as gentl justice). P. 47 10 Jan 1716; Francis Mallory and Francis Poythres, excrs. of Joseph Poythres dced made complaint that Thomas Hunsby (?) stands indebted to them the sum of 1060 lbs. of tobacco due for rent; vis: and set forth that the said Thomas has unlawfully departed this County so that the ordinary proofs at Law cannot be served against him whereupon they by virtue of an attachment into the hands of his Majesty's Justice of this County returnable to this Court have caused part of the Estate of this Thomas to be attached for payment thereof; viz. a ________ of tobacco and the said Thomas being called and failing to appear to replace the land. On the plaintiff's motion Judgement is granted them against the defendant for the aforesaid sum and costs to be levied and paid for out of the said tobacco. Order that the same be duely appraised by John Bonner, William Hudson, etc... P. 51 13 Mar 1716; Pursuant to the Act for appointing Sherrifs John Poythres, Samson Meredith and Richard Hamlin, Gentlemen Justices viz: are recommended to the Honourable then Governor as full viz: to execute the office of Sherrif this ensuing year. P. 53 (2 Apr 1716; John Poythres among others present as gentl justice). P. 55 2 Apr 1716; The suit depending (sic) between Francis Mallory and Francis Poythres, excr Joshua Patterson dced and Thomas Hunsby, neither party appearing, is dismist. P. 57 Apr 1716; Francis Mallory and Francis Poythres exrs Joshua Patterson dced vs. Thomas Hunsby; pursuant to an order of the last Court exhibited and out, related to the provings on the case while being examined and it is ordered to be filed and the said plaintiffs as aforesaid to have till this Feb therein mentioned. P. 59 (12 Jun 1716; John Poythres among others present as gentl. justice). P. 59 11 Jun 1716; The action depending between Edward Burball and Robert Poythres, neither party appearing is dismist. P. 69 12 Jun 1716; Gilbert Hay, John Willkins, Peter Poythres and James Jones junr or any three of them are ordered to appraise Jack and Diana Day now under the care of William Formlington they being first sworn by some Justice for that purpose and that they make report of same to be next Court. P. 117 (9 Apr 1717; Robert Poythres shown as appraiser of estate of Hubbard Green). P. 121 (14 May 1717; Court held at Merchant's Hope for County of Prince George; present: John Poythress a gentl justice) P. 124 13 May 1717; Stith Bolling in open Court acknowledged his deed (indented and sealed) with liberty of seizure sworn thereon to Robert Poythres on whose motion the same by the Court is ordered to be recorded. P. 124 14 May 1717; Stith Bolling in open Court acknowledged his Bond for performance of covenants to Robert Poythres on whose motion the same is ordered to be recorded. P. 132 Jun 1717; The suit in Chancery brought by Charles Anderson against John Poythres and Henry Offley neither party appearing is dismist. P. 132 Jun 1717; Charles Anderson having filed a Bill in Chancery against John Poythres, excr of Joshua Poythres decd and Henry Offley late of London, Merchant, it is ordered a summons against the said John Poythres and Henry Offley to appear at the next court and answer the said charges. P. 232 Under date of 9 Jul 1717, identical to the text above re Charles Anderson. P. 232 Under date of 9 Jul 1717, identical to the text above re Charles Anderson. (It is speculated that the court took action in July identical to that taken in June and the clerk; seeing no point in recomposing the things, simply duplicated them). P. 237 9 July 1717 (John Poythres a Jury Foreman) P. 239 13 Aug 1717; The suit in Chancery brought by Charles Anderson against Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant and John Poythres surviving excr of the Last Will and Testatment of Joshua Poythres dced. Thomas Simmons, SubSherriff Oath to the service of the Writ and charged Poythres and he failing to appear an attachment is granted the complaintant against the Body of the said Poythres returnable to the next Court and it is ordered that said summons is also against the said Offley returnable to the next Court. P. 234 13 Aug 1717; In the action on the case depending (sic) between John Pool and John Poythres, Francis Mallory and George Hamilton are chosen by the said partys and appointed by the Court to meet and settle the difference between the said plaintiff and defendant and make report of their proceedings therein to the next Court. P. 250 14 Apr 1719; Joshua Poythres, Robert Poythres, John Fitzgerald and Edward Mitchell or any three of them being first sworn for that purpose by some Magistrate of this County are nominated and appointed to appraise the estate of Thomas Harwell dced and make report of their proceedings therein to the next Court when Henry Batte, the Admin. Thereof is ordered to return the inventory. P. 254 12 May 1719; Robert Poythres and Edward Mitchell who were appointed to lay and value one acre of Land lying on the Balys River and belonging to the Land of Joseph Holycross dced for John Peterson's convenience to build a water Mill and make report of their proceedings which is ordered to be recorded and is accordingly truly recorded as follows; viz: [copy blotted] Prince George County. P. 255 12 May 1715; The order that Elizabeth Duke Adm. of Henry Duke dced return an inventory of the said dced Estate is continued till the next Court. P. 263 9 Jun 1719; John Poythres, John Hatch, William Harrison and Gilbert Hay or any three of them being first sworn for that purpose by some Magistrate of this County are ordered to appraise the Estate of Randle Pratt dced and make report of their proceedings to the next Court when Henry Holder as the Executor is to return the Inventory thereof. P. 267 15 Jul 1719 (John Poythres among others present is a "gentl. Justice") P. 275 14 Jul 1719; In the action brought by Thomas Goodwynn against John Poythres for 34 pounds 6 shillings 3 pence due by account the def. being arrested and not appearing nor any Security returned for him on the motion of the plaintiff's attorney judgement is granted him against the said defendt. and James Thweatt Sherr. for the said sum and costs unless the said defendt. shall appear at the next Court and answer the said action. P. 278 11 Aug 1719; The petition of Francis Poythres, Excr against Eliza. Mallory Excr of Fra. Mallory dced is referred till the next court. P. 285 13 Oct 1719; Amy, a Negro girl belonging to Peter Poythres is Judged to be eleven years old. P. 285 11 Oct 1719; Tom, a Negro boy belonging to Peter Poythres is Judged nine years old. P. 285 11 Oct 1719; Jenny a Negro girl belong to Francis Poythres is Judged nine years old. P. 287 13 Oct 1719; The action on the case bro. by Thomas Goodwynn against John Poythres, the plaintiff failing to prosecute is dismist. P. 289 13 Oct 1719; Francis Poythres surviving executor of Last Will & Testament Jos. Patterson against Elizabeth Mallory, John Hamlin and Edward Goodrich excrs of the Last Will & Testament of Francis Mallory dced: for 2061 lbs. of Tobacco and 16 shillings due by accts to the Estate of the plaintiff Joseph Patterson dced. The defdts. Move the Plaintiff prove the said acct whereupon he makes Oath the same is due and on his motion its ordered that the Defendts pay to the said plf. out of the said Mallory's Estate 17 pounds 3 shillings 6 pence, value of the said Tobacco and the said sum of 17 shillings amounting in the whole to 18 pounds 6 pence with costs Als: Eceo. P. 291 13 Oct 1719; Prince a Negro boy belonging to Joshua Poythres is judged five years old. P. 297 11 Nov 1719; (John Poythres, Samson Meredith and John Hardyman, among others, present as gentl. Justices). [note: from here and sporadically forward John Poythres appears to "co-sign William Hamlin's order to close the court.] P. 298 11 Mar 1719 (John Poythres present as gentl. Justice). P. 303 12 Jan 1719 (John Poythres present as gentl. Justice). P. 306 8 Mar 1719; Pursuant to the direction of the Act for Appointing Sherriffs John Poythres, Robert Mumford and John Hardyman, gentl. Justices are recommended to the Honourable Leiut. Governor as fitt and able to execute the office as Sherriff of this County for the next ensuing year. P. 313 8 Mar 1719; John Poythres, John Hardyman and Louis Green gentl. are recommended to the honourable the Leiut. Govnr as fitt and able to Execute the office of Corroners of this County. P. 314 12 Apr 1720 Last Will & Testament of Richard Bland dced was presented into court by William Randolph and Richard Randolph, excrs.....etc. P. 316 10 May 1720; (Assignments to take the lists of tithables): John Poythres gentl in Waynoke Parrish, Samson Meredith gentl. in Martins Brandon Parrish.....etc. P. 322 14 Jun 1720; (John Poythres, among others, present as gentl. justice). P. 323 14 Jun 1720; (John Hardyman, John Poythres and Edward Goodrich make Oaths as Sherriffs). P. 329 14 Jun 1720; On the motion of Robert Poythres he is Exempt from paying Levy for his Negro woman Sue. P. 330 14 Jun 1720; John Poythres Robert Poythres and John Woodleif, having taken the Official Oaths of Allegience and signed the Teste are sworn vestrymen of Westover Parrish. P. 331 9 Aug 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice). P. 331 9 Aug 1720; Cato, a Negro boy belonging to David Poythres is Adjudged twelve years old. P. 333 13 Sep 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice). P. 334 13 Sep 1720; Jenny, a Negro girl belonging to John Poythres is Adjudged eleven years old. P. 338 31 Oct 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice). P. 339 13 Dec 1720; Francis Poythres in Open Court acknowledges his deed for Land (indented and sealed) with Livery of Seizure Endorsed thereon to John Poythres on whose motion the same is ordered to be recorded. P. 341 10 Jan 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice). P. 342 10 Jan 1720; John Woodleife, John Poythres [among others] "being chose Vestrymen for the Parrish of Martins Brandon they accordingly appear in Court and take the Oath appointed by Law, sign the Teste, and are sworn Vestrymen of the Parrish aforesaid." P. 343 10 Jan 1720; (John Poythres, Edmund Irby, Gilbert Way and William Harrison chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise the Estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich the Executrix is to return the Inventory). P. 343 11 Jan 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice). P. 347 11 Jan 1720 (John Poythres present as gentl. justice). P. 347 11 Jan 1720: For Wolves killed, [i. e. bounty] viz: Name # killed lbs. Tobacco awarded Robert Poythres 1 100 Joshua Poythres 4 400 John Poythres 1 100 John Gilliam Junr 1 100 John Gilliam Senr 2 200 Richard Pace 1 100 (among others) P. 349 14 Feb 1720; Adam Ivie returns into Court Estate of Elizabeth Ivie ordered to be recorded. Present: John Hamlin, John Poythres, Robert Bolling. P. 359 14 Feb 1720: Drury Stith Junr having a commission to be one of the Surveyors of Brunswick County, he accordingly appears in Court, takes the Offical Oath, signs the Teste and is sworn a Surveyor of the County aforesaid. P. 364 14 Mar 1720; The Last Will & Testament of Sampson Meredith dced was presented into Court by Elizabeth Meredith his Executrix who made an oath thereto and it being proven by the Oaths of Thomas Rogers and Robert Rogers Witness thereto is admitted to record and on the motion of the said Elizabeth Meredith certificate is granted her for obtaining of the said Will in due form.

(JMP Revision 5 Apr 2001) Prince George County, VA Deeds & Wills 1759-1760 (4 items only, abstracted) 14 Aug 1759 Deed of Sale (p. 104) William Poythress of the County of Dinwiddie to Samuel Gordon of Prince George County Sum of 11 pounds current money of VA Lots # 22 and # 40 in the town of Blandford. Signed: William Poythress (seal) Wit: John Baird, Patrick Ramsey, Robert Mackie 7 Feb 1760 Deed of Sale (p. 153) William Poythress of the County of Dinwiddie to Samuel Gordon of Prince George County Sum of 192,1, 8. One parcell of land near the town of Blandford, Bristol Parish, Prince George County....105 acres. Signed: William Poythress Wit: (blotted out on page copied from microfilm) 13 Jan 1760 Deed of Sale (p. 154) William Poythress of Dinwiddie County To William Brodnax of same county Lot # 5 in town of Blandford Sum of ? (none stated) Signed: William Poythress (seal) Wit: John Butler, John Bland 8 Mch 1760 Appraisement (p. 158) Appraisement of the Estate of Mary Poythress (dced) Viz: livestock, furniture, household items (itemized) Appraised at: 61, 18, 7 Appraisers: Anthony Peniston, Peter Epes, Nath. Raines Signed: ______ Watts, Adm. of Estate of Mary Poythress Sworn before me: Richard Bland, Jr. Abstracted from microfilm roll # 104-5-6 Clayton Library, Houston, Texas 12 Sep 2000, JMP

(JMP Revision 5 Apr 2001) Prince George County, Misc. Court Records 28 Jul 1779 Cash paid to Peachy, Poythress, Bates & Co. 3112 pounds 19 shillings to repay them said sum borrowed by Wm Boyd to pay John Nicholas for land to pay Robert Turnbo, etc. etc. (numerous others totalling 3112 lbs 19 shillings. 3 June 1778 Deed Robert Bolling and wife Clara To John Bland Court order to receive relinquishment of right of dower for Clara Bolling Was satisfied by the oaths of Robert Gilliam and William Poythress

In the interest of having Maynard's voluminous work available to us in our Poythress-List Archives, I am about to send to the List in pure "text" form all seven of the documents (each one as a separate, searchable-in-the-Archives, message) which he earlier today made available to us as Word files: 1) PG Court Orders 1714-20 2) PG Court Minute Book 1737-1740 3) PG Misc. Court Records 4) PG Surveys as Proxies for Census 1720-26 5) PG Wills and Deeds 1759-1760 6) PG Wills and Deeds 1787-1792 7) PG Wills, Deeds and Settlements 1713-1728 Thanks again, Maynard, for all your hard work!! Maynard's comments about the seven files are repeated below, from his earlier message that was captioned as above. Barbara (BPN) = = = ... are seven record files comprising the whole of Poythress and some related families' information at the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston. Sadly, in comparing this material to the indexes of the Library of Virginia and indexes of the principle abstractor of many Prince George records (Benjamin Weisiger), there are not many more legal documents available as the Prince George courthouse was destroyed about 1864-5. The... titles... are: 1) PG Court Orders 1714-20 2) PG Court Minute Book 1737-1740 3) PG Misc. Court Records 4) PG Surveys as Proxies for Census 1720-26 5) PG Wills and Deeds 1759-1760 6) PG Wills and Deeds 1787-1792 7) PG Wills, Deeds and Settlements 1713-1728 Comments on the material: 1) Prefacing notes for each record group are intended to clarify why I arranged the material as I did. Some subjects are transcribed and some abstracted; some books are sequenced by dates and some by page number. The notes will explain why. 2) Dates and "Book" page numbers are often a contradiction, especially in the 1730's when the new year started in March. While I may or may not have let that effect the sequencing of documents listed, in all cases I have used the actual date and/or page number on the original document. Anticipate that conflicting dates, page numbers, etc. will present frustrating contradictions. 3) I attempted to render spellings as shown in the document. Spelling for a lot of those court clerks appears to have been a casual matter. Subjective spellings were characteristic of the times. 4) Even if you already have some of these documents by the same title, please substitute the new material for your old file. Numerous clarifications and revisions are included. In anticipation of future corrections, additions, etc. by any or all of us I have indicated "revision dates" in the top right at the beginning of each record set. 5) With the exception of a few instances where an acknowledged individual is stated to have given consent to use a pre-existing transcription or an abstract, this material is all "original" and taken from microfilm. There are no copyright implications from others and none claimed by me. You may feel free to copy this material in whole or in part and use in any way you choose. 6) In all instances, corrections, additions, deletions, etc. will be welcomed. Simply send it to me and I will make the correction and send revised documents to the list. I hope this material will be helpful to all of you. Maynard

The 2001 NGS Conference in the States will be held in Portland, Oregon 16-19 May, 2001. Since he is too modest to say it himself.....congratulations, Craig Scott, for once again being selected to be one of the distinguished lecturers! Maynard

# 9 Backup Notes on Hypothetical B Chart sent as attachment independent of Rootsweb. The A Chart emphasizes the male heirs of John Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, Immigrant from England around 1633. This Chart B, or Section B, which Mr. Batte alluded to but apparently never completed as a chart, emphasizes the male heirs of Francis Poythress Jr. The primarily purpose of this note is to clarify the dates somewhat. However, some further detail from Mr. Batte's cards is included. ------------------------------------------------ Descendants of Francis Poythress Generation No. 1 1. FRANCIS1 POYTHRESS was born in England, arrived in VA by 1633 {(P-1) 0}. He married MARY UNKNOWN. More About FRANCIS POYTHRESS: Fact 4: (P-1) 0 Immigrant in VA by 1633 Children of FRANCIS POYTHRESS and MARY UNKNOWN are: i. JANE2 POYTHRESS, m. THOMAS ROLFE. ii. JOHN POYTHRESS, m. CHRISTIAN PEEBLES. iii. THOMAS POYTHRESS. 2. iv. MAJ. FRANCIS POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1630, [(P-1) D]; d. Abt. 1688, VA. Generation No. 2 2. MAJ. FRANCIS2 POYTHRESS (FRANCIS1)1 was born Abt. 1630 in [(P-1) D], and died Abt. 1688 in VA. He married REBECCA COGGIN2. She died in VA. R. Bolling Batte used Publication 96 as a source. Says Poythress Cards 65/66 says "See Charles City (Records 1687-1695] Page 419 reference on wife's card to her administration with will annexed to her late husband's estate. This was in Sept 1642." However, this is not on wife's cards. Children of FRANCIS POYTHRESS and REBECCA COGGIN are: i. FRANCIS3 POYTHRESS3, b. Bef. 1681, [(P-1) DA]; d. Lived in Surry County, Justice of Peace 1738. Notes for FRANCIS POYTHRESS: Francis Poythress DA Called Francis Sr. on rent rolls. Justice of the Peace 1739, March 2 ii. ANNE POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1682, VA [(P-1) DB]; d. Aft. 1733, Living in 1733; m. BURWELL GREEN; b. Surry County VA; d. Bef. 1733. 3. iii. JOHN POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1688, VA [(P-1) DC]; d. Abt. April 1724. iv. REBECCA POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1683, VA [(P-1) DD]. v. THOMAS POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1683, VA [(P-1) DE]; d. Abt. 1750. Generation No. 3 3. JOHN3 POYTHRESS (FRANCIS2, FRANCIS1)4 was born Bef. 1688 in VA [(P-1) DC], and died Abt. April 1724. He married MARY UNKNOWN5. She died Aft. 1724. His cousin also named John had a wife named Mary. She was Mary Batte. Prince George D & W 1713-1728, P 706 - will of John Poythress of Martins Brandon Parish, Prince Georges County: To son John Poythress, to son Francis Poythress, to William Poythress (not 1B or 18], daughter Elizabeth Poythress, Daughter Rebecca Poythress, Daughter Ann Poythress, Wife Mary Poythress...mentions brother Thomas Poythress. Robert Poythress and John Woodlief Executors. Will undated by probated May 12, 1724 ------------------------- Prince George D & WB 1713-1728 P 941, account of John Poythress' estate submitted by Robert Poythress and John Woodlief Exrs. Recorded December 13, 1726. Sums were paid widow, to Rebecca his daughter, to Elizabeth his daughter, to Colonel William Randolph, to Captain Richard Randolph, and to Mr. John Fitzgerald. ---- Listed in 1704 Quit rent rolls of Prince George County as J.P. Jr. has 916 acres. Children of JOHN POYTHRESS and MARY UNKNOWN are: i. JOHN4 POYTHRESS6, b. VA [(P-1) DCA] 4. ii. FRANCIS POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1707, VA [(P-1) DCB]; d. Abt. 1738. iii. WILLIAM POYTHRESS7, b. Aft. 1717, VA [(P-1) DCC]. Notes for WILLIAM POYTHRESS: Guardian Charles Irby iv. ELIZABETH POYTHRESS8, b. VA [(P-1) DCD]. v. REBECCA POYTHRESS9, b. VA [(P-1) DCE]. vi. ANN POYTHRESS, b. VA [(P-1) DCF]. Batte spells her name with the "e" on her card, without on her father's card. Generation No. 4 4. FRANCIS4 POYTHRESS (JOHN3, FRANCIS2, FRANCIS1)10 was born Abt. 1707 in VA [(P-1) DCB], and died Abt. 1738. He married HANNAH UNKNOWN11 Abt. 1728. She was born in VA [(P-1) DCB (W)], and died Aft. 1765 in Chesterfield County?. Child of FRANCIS POYTHRESS and HANNAH UNKNOWN is: i. ELIZABETH5 POYTHRESS12, b. February 11, 1729/30, VA [(P-1) DCB A]{card note not changed, but should be to DCB A}. {Hannah and her daughter Elizabeth were first thought to be the wife and child of Francis III (DA). Later Mr. Batte assigned them to John's son Francis (DCB). Not all the index cards were changed. This may create some confusion to those looking at the cards.} Endnotes 1. Combined work of Robert Bolling Batte, Poythress Chart and the Index Cards at Library of Virginia. The latter at the internet site: http://image.vtls, Poythress Cards 65, 66. 2. Combined work of Robert Bolling Batte, Poythress Chart and the Index Cards at Library of Virginia. The latter at the internet site: http://image.vtls, Poythress Card 150, Codd (Coggin) Card 13, Card 150 shows Coggin crossed out an Tye written in, but Coggin is used throughout the index collection to indicate this Francis's wife. There are no Tye cards. 3. Combined work of Robert Bolling Batte, Poythress Chart and the Index Cards at Library of Virginia. The latter at the internet site: http://image.vtls, Poythress Cards 67, 68. 4. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 88, 89. 5. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 118, 119 and husband's cards. 6. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Card 90, 91 and his father's cards. 7. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 200, 201. 8. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], See father's card.. 9. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 146, 147, and father's cards. 10. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 69, 70, see father's cards. 11. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], See husband's and daughter's notes. 12. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 43, 44.

Spurred on by other recent postings of Poythress information, I (Barbara Poythress Neal, email address [email protected]) am posting the following about the family of my great-great-grandparents, James Edward Poythress and his wife Catherine Speed Preston. The info some of you have seen on James Edward Poythress, himself, was what I gave our then list-master Al Tims in 1997 to post on a Progenitor page. That info is still located at: http://www1.minn.net/~atims/ProgJEP.html The following information expands from what is shown on that webpage to include his family. Many of the following dates & locations can be confirmed by readers in the 3-page Poythress & Preston Family Bible-type record. Both a scanned image of, and a typed transcript of that Poythress & Preston Family Bible Record are available online at the Library of Virginia's Bible records site, from the photocopy & the transcription I gave them some years ago; those pages are listed at the LVA as Accession #34866. The typed transcript includes information about the history of the record itself. There was also a published version of the typed transcription of that Poythress & Preston Family Bible Record, in the Virginia Genealogical Society's Magazine of Virginia Genealogy, Volume 33, Issue 2, May 1995, pp. 111-114. PROGENITOR & HIS WIFE: James Edward Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863 at Sumterville, in Sumter County, Alabama; bur. Sumterville Methodist Cemetery, no extant marker. Marr: 6 Feb 1828 in Brunswick Co, Virginia [Marr Bond in Brunswick Co, VA 29 Jan 1828] Catherine Speed Preston, who was b. 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, VA, and who d. 18 Oct 1884 in Sumter Co, AL; bur. Sumterville Methodist Cemetery, no extant marker. Note: per the Family Bible Record, her death date is listed only as Oct 1884; the more precise date is from the Sumter Co, AL Register of Deaths, a transcription of which is included in Joseph F. Stegall's book, Sumter County, Alabama: Index to Wills and Estate Administrations 1834-1884; Register of Deaths 1881-1892; and Cemetery Records (Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc, 1997) THEIR 8 CHILDREN who lived to adulthood [no record has been found for any other children, as of April 2001]: Joshua Lewis Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 12 Jun 1854 in Sumter Co, AL. Marr: 17 Oct 1852 in Mecklenburg Co, VA [that Sunday date & location are per the above-mentioned Family Bible Record; however they got their Marriage Bond and License 30 Sep 1852, in the adjacent county, Warren County, NC, and the Return was made on a Friday, 15 Oct 1852, per copy from Loose Records at NC Archives] Elizabeth J. Crowder, for whom no birthdate is available and who d. 1 Jun of 18(59?) [for the last two digits of the year, the Family Bible Record is difficult to read]. Joshua and Elizabeth had only one child, a son (named for Joshua's brother below), William H. Poythress, Jr., who was b. 30 Nov 1853 in Sumter Co, AL and who died only 8 months later, 21 Jul 1854 in Sumter Co, AL, one month after his father Joshua had died & after the uncle for whom this child was named had died Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 11 Mar 1862 in CSA Hospital at Charlottesville, VA; bur. in the University of Virginia Confederate Cemetery, Charlottesville, VA. Never married. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 26 Jun 1854 in Sumter Co, AL. Never married. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838 in Mecklenburg Co, VA [per Family Bible Record] or possibly 10 Aug 1837 [per gravemarker]; d. 1889 at Binnsville, Mississippi [per Family Bible Record, where it was apparently recorded sometime later] or more likely 5 Nov 1888 [per gravemarker]; bur. Souls Chapel Methodist Cemetery, Geiger, Sumter Co, AL [near Binnsville, MS]. Marr: (1) on 24 Apr 1856 in Sumter Co, AL, William Gilbert, Jr. [his second marriage], who was b. 18 Jul 1813 in Jones Co, NC and who d. Jan 1870 in Sumter Co, AL; bur. Sumterville Methodist Cemetery, Sumterville, Sumter Co, AL. Catherine & Wm Gilbert had five children, whose ages ranged from 2 to 12 when Wm Gilbert died. Six months later, Catherine Jane Poythress Gilbert marr. (2) on 8 Jun 1870 in Sumter Co, AL, Daniel O'Conner McKinley, Jr., who was b. 17 Mar 1843 near Sumterville, in Sumter Co, AL and who d. 17 Apr 1921; bur. Souls Chapel Methodist Cemetery beside his wife. D.O. McKinley, Jr. helped her raise the five children; they had no further children together. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress [name shown in Family Bible Record only as Rebecca B. J. Poythress], b. 10 Nov 1840 in Mecklenburg Co, VA [date & place per Family Bible Record. Death certificate, with info from her son, shows b. 10 Nov 1838 at Petersburg, VA; gravemarker has same 1838 birthdate]; d. 28 Jan 1936 [from death certif; no death date given in Family Bible Record] in East Lake section of Birmingham, Jefferson Co, AL; bur. East Lake Cemetery. Marr. on 20 Dec 1860 in Sumter Co, AL, John David Lavender, who was b. 29 Feb 1836 in Greensboro [then in Greene Co; currently Hale Co], AL and who d. 16 Jun 1899 in Birmingham, Jefferson Co, AL; bur. East Lake Cemetery. Rebecca and John had six children. Penelope Frances "Fannie" or "Jodie" Poythress, b. 4 Aug 1843 in Mecklenburg Co, VA [date & place per Family Bible Record. Death certificate, with info from her son, shows b. 3 Aug 1841 in Mecklingburg (sic) Co, VA]; d. 10 Dec 1915 [from death certif; Family Bible Record gives only Dec 1915] in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, Mississippi; bur. Magnolia Cemetery, in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS. Marr. on 7 Feb 1867 in Sumter Co, AL, David Lavender Bennett, who was b. 1838 in Sumter Co, AL and who d. 18 Jul 1917 in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS; bur. Magnolia Cemetery, in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS. Fannie and David had three children. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 11 Apr 1918 in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS; bur. Magnolia Cemetery, Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS. Marr. on 25 Aug 1868 in Sumter Co, AL, Ellen Belle McKinley [sister of above-mentioned Daniel O'Conner McKinley, Jr.], who was b. 18 Aug 1851 in Sumter Co, AL and who d. 6 Aug 1918 in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS; bur. Magnolia Cemetery, Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS. A.E. and Ellen had eleven children, two of whom died as infants. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 26 Aug 1920 [date from death certificate and gravemarker; no death date given in Family Bible Record] in East Lake section of Birmingham, Jefferson Co, AL; bur. East Lake Cemetery. Marr. 20 Jan 1869 in Sumter Co, AL, Robert Neal McKinley [brother of above-mentioned Daniel O'Conner McKinley, Jr. and Ellen Belle McKinley], who was b. 3 Nov 1846 in Sumter Co, AL and who d. 30 Dec 1913 in East Lake section of Birmingham, Jefferson Co, AL; bur. East Lake Cemetery. V.P. and Robert had six children.