See http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/1850ix1.htm For INDEX TO 1850 FEDERAL CENSUS - MECKLENBURG CO., VA POYLTHRESS, Frances, 3 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Alzernon, 6 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Catherine, 45 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Catherine, 13 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Charles, 1 57 98th Reg POYTHRESS, David, 44 56b 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Edward, 52 63 98th Reg POYTHRESS, George, 9 56b 98th Reg POYTHRESS, George, 12 63 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Harriett, 16 63 98th Reg POYTHRESS, James, 17 56b 98th Reg POYTHRESS, James, 45 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Joshua, 21 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Lucy, 25 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Mahala, 47 63 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Mary, 14 56b 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Nathan, 19 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Penelope, 9 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Rebecca, 11 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Sally, 32 56b 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Sarah A., 47 63 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Thomas, 35 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, Virinda, 4 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, William, 16 62 98th Reg POYTHRESS, William, 5 62 98th Reg POYTJRESS, Wm., 4 59b 98th Reg

Thanks, Patti, for passing this along and thank, Craig, for the explanation. It's so easy for me to forget to read web materials with a VERY CRITICAL eye. After all, "it's in writing!" :-) Best regards, Lyn P. Baird [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

This happened because Ancestry does not know what it is dealing with. The actual title of the series of records is "General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934". It covers not only the Civil War but the Spanish-American War, Philipine Insurrection, Boxer Rebellion and the Regulars. WWI is not well represented because the Veterans Administration (now Bureau of Veterans Affairs) took the disability system over during WWI. Looking for connections for William Poythress, 12th Virginia Infantry, died Point Lookout, Maryland and William Poythress, 12th Va. Artillery Battn., CSA pension, resided Petersburg. Looking for connections for William D. Poythress who married Louisa O. Taylor. Craig Craig R. Scott, CGRS Willow Bend Books 65 East Main Street Westminster, MD 21157-5026 www.WillowBendBooks.com [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koscheski" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:43 AM Subject: Another place to search > this was on the ancestry email in case anyone missed it. Thought it might be helpful to some. Patti > LATER MILITARY ENTRIES FOUND IN CIVIL WAR PENSION INDEX > > My grandmother's family all lived in southeastern Pennsylvania > during the Civil War, so although her grandfathers would have been a > little too old and her father too young to be soldiers, it seemed > that checking the Civil War Pension Index for my surnames would still > be a good idea. I was surprised to find her father, James Fraley > GOERKE, listed in the Index. He had not served in the Civil War, but > his record showed service in 1896-98 (Infantry) and again in 1917-20 > (Navy). I don't know what he was doing on the Civil War Index, but I > thought that others might want to check for their "too young" great- > grandfathers as well. You might get lucky! > > Kary Nelson > Fort Collins, CO > > Ancestry.com Data Subscribers can access the Civil War Pension Index > at: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/military/cwpi/main.htm > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Geneaology Research Web > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/ >

this was on the ancestry email in case anyone missed it. Thought it might be helpful to some. Patti LATER MILITARY ENTRIES FOUND IN CIVIL WAR PENSION INDEX My grandmother's family all lived in southeastern Pennsylvania during the Civil War, so although her grandfathers would have been a little too old and her father too young to be soldiers, it seemed that checking the Civil War Pension Index for my surnames would still be a good idea. I was surprised to find her father, James Fraley GOERKE, listed in the Index. He had not served in the Civil War, but his record showed service in 1896-98 (Infantry) and again in 1917-20 (Navy). I don't know what he was doing on the Civil War Index, but I thought that others might want to check for their "too young" great- grandfathers as well. You might get lucky! Kary Nelson Fort Collins, CO Ancestry.com Data Subscribers can access the Civil War Pension Index at: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/military/cwpi/main.htm

This week's issue of Ancestry's weekly news letter gives an address through which one may access many of Ancestry's complete databases. One can spend a year chasing all the Poythresses listed. This thing should not be "oversold", it is that complilation of submissions by various researchers and is only as good as the researcher who submitted it. The address is below if you want to poke about in there: http://www.ancestry.com/search/locality/main.htm?lfl=sln?uk Also, as I move to a new house I'll be shutting down over the weekend and probably be back up towards the end of next week. Best, Maynard

Jean and I are moving three or four whole blocks to a one story house on 11/1. New address will be 15 Glenwood Road, Louisville, KY 40222. Phone # remains the same: 502-425-4361 e-mail remains the same: [email protected] Best to you all, Maynard

I believe there have been some negative comments before regarding Heritage Books on this Surname List. Since a County List that I have subscribed to is touting sending information to them, I'd like to hear what anybody has to say about them. Thanks, Pat Autry

Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:03:24 -0400 From: Nancy Gay Crawford <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-id: <[email protected]> Subject: [GASCREVE] Gay/Poythress Marriage Can anyone help with the descendants of this union and dates of birth, death and marriage?  Thanks, Nancy Frances M.3 Gay, born 1854; died Unknown.  She married Chalrie Poythress.  She is buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, Millen, Jenkins Co., GA Nancy: by copy of this one to the Poythress listserver I'm asking Bud Poythress or anyone else) to see if we can do anything with this one. My crowd of Poythresses pretty much stayed around that 34th Militia District in Screven County but it is my impression that some of Bud's folks drifted over into Jenkins County (where they put that vile mustard sauce on their barbeque <g>) and Bud has a dab of information on some of these people. In fact, I think that very Oak Hill cemetery was one that Bud inventoried with me along one August day when we were writin' and blowin' gnats. Bud, would you reply to Nancy and let her know if you have a bead on this Charlie Poythress? Many thanks. Maynard (John M. Poythress)

But you really have to work at it: Greetings All! I've put up a page with some Prince George County History information and some sources of information about historic sites. More will be added later on. While it is oriented more toward history than genealogy, there might be something there of interest to genealogists too. Take a look at http://www.rootsweb.com/~vavfar/index1pg.html Good hunting! -- Eve S. Gregory, Director Virginia Foundation for Archaeological Research, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~vavfar/index.html Maynard

A few months ago, we discussed the Poythress list members sharing gedcoms. I am happy to work with any of you who might like to create a small visual chart from your information or gedcom. Perhaps Al would like to post some of these on line? However, for the really ambitious and organized ones among us, I want to share one source of large charts you can purchase on line at ancestry.com. I haven't tried it yet myself. If anyone has or has another source of large (24'X36' in this case) chart, I'd be interested in hearing about it. I find it a bit frustrating that the price of these charts (smaller ones are available) is not readily apparent. Creating a gedcom http://www.ancestry.com/oft2000/gedhelp.asp Using your gedcom to create a large chart http://www.ancestry.com/oft/hft/HFTLandPage.asp Diana

In this month's issue of Georgia Genealogy Magazine was a newly found list of Georgia Land Lottery winners in Columbia County.....the list had been misplaced for a couple of centuries. Couple of interesting observations that might help if anyone is digging in this source in the future: 1) Orphans of John Doe.....were universally listed under the "O's" and not the initial of the deceased parent. 2) The proliferation of "Orphans of" in the listing suggests what is already known: all the "qualified to draw" who listed themselves as "Orphans of" were not always on the up and up; plus, a lot of politics entered the scenario. Maynard

As most of you know, I have been pretty much on the side of ignoring variants that didn't seem to make any logical sense in terms of phonetics or anything else. And I suppose I've been something of a hard case on the matter. Something to muse on: my son has recently moved from Atlanta to Louisville and I was at his house for dinner last night. As I sat in his den and ran my eyes over the ends of eight identically sized (unpacked) moving boxes all with his name printed in magic marker, slowly sipping my glass of whatever, what to my wondering eyes should appear but the surname on each, reading: Boythress Boythess Poyimz Poythess Boythres Poythess Poythe Boyther....... These guys had 8 shots and missed them all. I copied them all down and came belatedly to questionable wisdom: First, is it likely that the "casual" day laborer of colonial times was any more or less literate than the casual day laborer of our time. Gee, who knows? Well, yes, I suppose he or she in colonial times should be less literate because after all, we do have some form of modern universal education system in place now that was NOT in place in colonial times. And in addition, the colonial system was likely structured to "accomodate" a lot of people who couldn't read (which was the vast majority of them) and hence, the paid "clerks" did all the reading and writing. So should one expect a ridiculous number of variants in spelling in colonial times? Probably not.....if those guys actually hired out as being "able to write." So, if today's movers presumably have the benefit of public education what does this say about present day public education? Or does it say anything? Or does it help to make the argument for school vouchers to leverage the bad schools out of business? As Diana says, I do have a way of rationalizing myself to what was a preheld notion anyway. For all I know, these guys just didn't give a hoot about spelling; after all, the eight boxes all got to the correct destination, didn't they? So do they have some obligation to conform to my idea of literacy? Nah. No way. In any case, I will be reluctant to reject just about anything that is submitted to as a "variant spelling" in the future. <g> Maynard

Good Morning to all My name is William (Bill) C. Reeves. I am a descendant of the Austin family. Charles (Charlie) Austin married Mattie Eva Poythress. I would like all info I can get on Horace Cullen Poythress and Flossie O. Wells, the parents of Mattie Eva Poythress and her grandparents. Any and all help would greatly appreciated by me. Will to share all my Austin to any family member including some old photos. God Bless to all of u. Bill Reeves

Worth a Visit. You may have to hit refresh a few times to actually get the site. It's busy. http://www.doubtlessdesigns.net/ Diana

WHY THE AMERICAN FLAG IS FOLDED 13 TIMES Have you ever wondered why the flag of the United States of America is folded 13 times when it is lowered or when it is folded and handed to the widow at the burial of a veteran? Here is the meaning of each of those folds and what it means to you. The 'first fold' of our flag is a symbol of life. The 'second fold' is a symbol of our belief in eternal life. The 'third fold' is made in honor and remembrance of the veterans departing our ranks who gave a portion of their lives for the defense of our country to attain peace throughout the world. The 'fourth fold' represents our weaker nature, for as American citizens;trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in time of war for His divine guidance. The 'fifth fold' is a tribute to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, "Our Country, in dealing with other countries may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong." The 'sixth fold' is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States Of America,and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all. The 'seventh fold' is a tribute to our Armed Forces, for it is through the Armed Forces that we protect our country and our flag against all her enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of our republic. The 'eighth fold' is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor mother, for whom it flies on Mother's Day. The 'ninth fold' is a tribute to womanhood; for it has been through their faith, their love, loyalty and devotion that the character of the men and women who have made this country great has been molded. The 'tenth fold' is a tribute to the father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since they were first born. The 'eleventh fold', in the eyes of a Hebrew citizen represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon, and glorifies in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The 'twelfth fold', in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit. When the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost reminding us of our nation's motto, "In God We Trust". After the flag is completely folded and tucked in, it takes on the appearance of a cocked hat, ever reminding us of the soldiers who served under General George Washington, and the sailors and marines who served under Captain John Paul Jones, who were followed by their comrades and shipmates in the Armed Forces of the United States, preserving for us the rights, privileges, and freedoms we enjoy today. The next time you see a flag ceremony honoring someone that has served our country, either in the Armed Forces or in our civilian services such as the Police Force or Fire Department, keep in mind all the important reasons behind each and every movement. They have paid the ultimate sacrifice for all of us by honoring our flag and our Country.

We've all seen enough horrible pictures in the last few days to last a lifetime. And the wires have been burning with sentiments -- many trite and some "cute." But I think you will find this site has something different and very inspiring. Just be patient; it's getting a lot of "hits." http://home.covad.net/~georgelsjr/Tribute/world_mourns_1.htm Lou

Poythress List, I've been asked to share the following message with our list. I'm pleased to do so. Best, Al Tims Poythress List Administrator Hello Board and List Administrators, Because of the catastrophe that happened in the United States Tuesday, 11 Sept., 2001, MyFamily.com (RootsWeb.com and Ancestry.com) has created a special Message Board for those who wish to express or share condolences, sorrow, prayers, and thoughts for the victims, their families and friends. However, this is not a board for discussion on how the U.S. should resolve this issue or about how the search for those responsible is going. The URL for the board is <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=usa-tragedy.mourning> Please join us in sharing this message board with your posters. Let the healing continue ... -- Vicki Lindsay Thauvin RootsWeb Content Team Manager [email protected]

God Bless America Melody - Irving Berlin, 1918; revised 1938 Irving Berlin, 1918; revised 1938 Intro (spoken): While the storm clouds gather far across the sea, Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free, Let us all be grateful for a land so fair, As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer. |: God bless America, land that I love Stand beside her and guide her Through the night with the light from above From the mountains To the prairies, To the ocean white with foam God bless America, My home sweet home. :| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- The original version of was written during the summer of 1918 at Camp Upton, located in Yaphank, Long Island, for Yip, Yip, Yaphank. He never used the song and it remained tucked away until 1938. In the fall of 1938, Berlin decided to write a song about peace. He recalled his "God Bless America" from twenty years earlier, altered parts to update popular sentiment, and was introduced to the world on November, 11, 1938, by Kate Smith.

In a message dated 01-09-07 23:52:57 EDT, you write: << Subj: Maps of Our Ancestors from the British Isles Date: 01-09-07 23:52:57 EDT From: [email protected] (Diana Diamond) To: [email protected] With all our discussions of Albion's Seed a few weeks ago, I wanted to share one of my favorite England sources for maps of the Tudor period. Gloucester, believed to be Francis Poythress's birthplace, borders on the south of Wales. Diana >> Dear Diana, Regarding Francis POYTHRESS being born in Gloucester, do you happen to show any association with a SYMONS/SYMONDS family there in the early 1600's by any chance? My paternal 8th great grandmother, Mary SYMONDS/SYMONS, born: abt. 1617 in Gloucestershire, England, (parents: ??,) (probably had a brother named Francis SYMONDS/SYMONS who immigrated in 1649 from England to Maryland and then into Virginia with Mary SYMONDS/SYMONS husband, (Sir) John EARLE, born: abt. 1612 in Nye, Wynscombe, England, (abt. 10 years after others from their SYMONS/SYMONDS family immigrated in abt. 1639,) my paternal 8th great grandfather, (md: 2nd wife, Mrs. Elizabeth ? CAUSEY HOWELL EARLE CLEMENT.) (Sir) John EARLE and Mary SYMONS/SYMONS were the parents of Samuel EARLE, I, (md: wife # 1, Bridget HALE, (thought to be the daughter of Thomas HALE,) and md: wife # 2: Matilda ALLERTON, (md: husb. # 2: William RUST and husb. # 3: John BENNETT, (father of Phillis BENNETT who married Samuel EARLE, II, (from whom I descend,) and the aforementioned Samuel EARLE, I, (my paternal 7th great grandfather,) owned land adjoining Augustine WARNER and Samuel EARLE, I also was the land grant partner of my maternal 11th great grandfather, (Major) John STITH, (husband of Mrs. Jane MOSEBY (GREGORY) (PARSONS,) and father of Agnes STITH who married Thomas WYNNE, (son of (Col.) Robert WYNNE and Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN? (POYTHRESS,) (widow of Francis POYTHRESS.) It would seem quite probable that there might have been a family association between the SYMONS/SYMONDS family of Mrs. Mary SYMONS/SYMONDS (EARLE,) and the POYTHRESS family of Francis POYTHRESS in late 1500's and early 1600's Gloucestershire, England. Looking forward to hearing from you regarding the above. Thanks. Sincerely, Bellinda Myrick - Barnett [email protected]

With all our discussions of Albion's Seed a few weeks ago, I wanted to share one of my favorite England sources for maps of the Tudor period. Gloucester, believed to be Francis Poythress's birthplace, borders on the south of Wales. http://renaissance.dm.net/compendium/map-england.html For more maps. http://renaissance.dm.net/compendium/map-ind.html Diana