Last evening, I mentioned to ya'll the South Ga. United Methodist Church Conference Center located on St. Simons Island named Epworth-By-The-Sea. There's also a North Ga. UMC Conference Center near Atlanta called Simpsonwood. The state is cut just about in half - Savannah, Macon, & Columbus are just about the northern extreme of the S.Ga. Conf.; Augusta is in the N.Ga. Conf. I'm not certain if Screvin & Burke counties are both in S.Ga. or not; the line zig-zags across the state & I can't locate my book right now - oh, where could it be! I understand both of these centers have a good historical collection and are willing to assist researchers. I've been told many churches have their records stored there, in addition to other wonderful old works. Linda

Thanks Linda & Maynard for the further info. Will look forward to learning anything further you learn, Maynard. BPN

Linda, I went to Google to find you the phone and address of the Epworth-by-the--Sea deal and got your message in the interim and figured out pretty quickly that you know more about the place than I do. Good luck. Reminds me, I once hit a glancing blow at the Methodist Archives and History Center which is on the campus of Drew University at Madison, NJ. The website is enormous and has excellent indexes of all the texts and correspondence they have available. They have a ton. Unfortunately, they haven't digitalized any of the actual stuff, just the indexes. I think I'll work that site over once more and then see if I can prevail upon someone to look up Francis (preacher) for us. I think we need (or I need) another tack. I have been looking for him in connection with Francis Asbury. Asbury was a heavy hitter and a close friend of Francis. However, it seems to me that the principle thing we need to know about Francis is who were his parents and the Asbury connection would seem to me to not be likely to turn that up. I'll try something else. I continue to wonder if this Francis had anything to do with fact that most of those Burke and Screven Poythresses were Methodist. Francis worked VA and NC east of the mountains and when he came to Kentucky he seemed to stay on this side of the mountains. Just off the top of my head I'd be inclined to guess that he didn't have any contact with the Mecklenburg county crowd. Maynard P. S. Barbara, the dust jacket on Hillhouse's book says he lives in Danville, KY with his wife. Dr. Hillhouse was head of the finance committee of the four occupying powers of Germany and an advisor to Gen Lucius Clay which implies to me he wasn't any spring chicken then. The book was published in 1974 which suggests to me that Dr. Hillhouse may no longer be with us. All the same, I checked the 'net phone directories and came up blank. I have a shrink friend who sort of moves in the circles of the scholarly folk (Centre is at Danville) and I have asked him to make some inquiries. MP

Thanks Maynard and Barbara for all the information re Gough, GA. Being a good ole South Ga. Methodist, I'm quite aware of Epworth-By-The-Sea, the South Ga. United Methodist Conf. Center located on St. Simons Island and its historical collection. If ya'll ever have a chance to visit the place, do plan a visit there -- check out there website -- search Epworth-by-the-Sea (maybe listed w/o the dashes, though). Hotel/motel style accomodations are available there too, w/ dining facilities. Linda Charles Neal wrote: > Anyone interested in maps that cover such things as tiny GA towns & > cemeteries near them, should know that the state of GA (and every other > state) sells detailed County Highway Maps. They are not in color -- just > black lines on white paper. But they are large (about 3'x4' in size) & > VERY detailed - they cover a wealth of informative detail. Anyone > researching any county would benefit from owning the county highway map for > every county in which they are interested. These types of maps also show > the degree & minute markings & township/range type of markings that allow > you to coordinate them with US Geological Service topo maps, etc. > > A Burke County (or any other GA county) Highway Map can be bought as > follows. I printed off the following info from my 4/15/00 visit to the > following web page, so you'd be wise to check the website to see if > prices/procedures have changed: > www.dot.state.ga.us/homeoffs/planning.www/map_sale.htm (Each state seems > to have a similar www.dot.state website for each of their Depts of > Transportation) > > Mon-Fri 8am-4:30pm, WALK UP to the counter for $2 each, from: > > GA Dept of Transportation, Map Sales > 2 Capitol Square > Atlanta, GA > Phone 404-656-5336; Fax 404-656-3507. > > and can be ordered by MAIL, for the same $2 each IF you ADD the appropriate > postage & handling (+$2 for charges under $5; +$2.50 for charges of $5.01 > to $15.00; + 15% of purchase, minimum of $2.50, for charges over $15.01) & > if you send a personal ck or money order for the EXACT amt due: > > Office of Information Services > Attention: Map Sales > 5025 New Peachtree Rd. NE > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > Now, on to specifics. The Burke County Highway map shows Gough & even a > blow-up inset of the little town itself. For that matter my Rand McNally > highway atlas also shows Gough. It is just east of the western border of > Burke County, roughly halfway up (or down) that border. It is on an > east-west road parallel to & just north of GA Rt. 24. Gough is located at > the intersection of that road & the north-south-running GA Rt. 305. > > The County Highway map shows a likely cemetery just west of town, "Sheppard > Place Cemetery," on the south side of the road. > Good luck, Linda, on learning further info from the book Maynard mentioned > &/or from churches in the Gough area. Maynard, thank you so much for the > full title & authors & publication info on the book. I've never heard of > Dr. Hillhouse's name before. I had tried to find that book before (after > one of our correspondents had mentioned a grave in it) on several of my > research trips, but I did not have a full title, much less the further > identifying data, so have never been able to find the book. Also, I'd > never heard of there being a Methodist archives on St. Simons Island, so > I'm glad to learn of that, too; if you could locate the address where you > wrote to them, I'm sure I'm not the only person who would appreciate > getting it. > > BPN > > = = = = > In a message dated 2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Subj:Duke Family > > Date:2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > > To:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > > > > Hi there, Maynard -- > > It's been a little while since we've talked. I'm still down here slowly > > plodding away with my families. Now what -- I've been told that I have > > a GG Grandfather Robert Taylor Duke, b. 1 Jul 1820 in Morgan Co., GA, d. > > 22 Feb 1906 in Burke Co., GA. Seems he "is buried in a small cemetery, > > just west of the own of Gough, Burke Co, Ga. His grave is well > > monumented with dates and inscription." How long ago the little > > gravesite was seen, who knows. I think these notes came from a Weakley > > Family history book published back in 1963. > > > > Now my question -- I recall that only a week or so ago you mentioned a > > county map you had -- was it Burke -- or Screvian (sp.??) County? I > > really don't believe now that I'm thinking about it that it was Burke, > > but then you might just have one of that county too. > > > > I'd certainly like to try to find this place -- at least the name -- do > > you have anything showing a small cemetery just west of the little town > > of Gough? I thought I'd even perhaps right to the local post office > > and/or Methodist Church and see what kind of response I'd perhaps get. > > Do you have any ideas?? > > I still enjoy all the Poythress "talk" ya'll do with one another -- hope > > you and your wife are doing well these days & enjoying that new place. > > Just me down here in Gadsden Co., FL > > > > Linda Clark Smith > > Hi Linda, great to hear from you again. Thought you had dropped off the > radar. Sorry but the map I have is of Screven. And I have never heard of > Gough, GA but that doesn't mean anything, someone is always pulling out one > of those little towns in that part of the state that I have never heard of. > > The Duke name came up in early Virginia as a Poythress had a land > transaction with an Elizabeth Duke but since the Duke name is all not all > that rare and the time frame is so removed I wouldn't try to make anything > of it. Just a fragment out of my memory-bone so forget it. > > However, there is a dandy of a book that will likely have what you want: > "Grave Markers in Burke County, Georgia" written in 1974, by Powell, Odom & > Hillhouse, published by Chalker Pub. Co. in Waynesboro, Georgia. I go > through Waynesboro each year on the way to Sylvania and I doubt seriously > if the Chalker Publishing Co. (or much of anything else) is still standing > in Waynesboro. > > It is my impression that Dr. Hillhouse is the reigning expert on Burke > County. He collaborated with Dorothy Odom (some linkage there to > Poythresses) and Lillian Powell on this book. Dr. Hillhouse also wrote "A > History of Burke County, Georgia, 1777-1950." There is no Duke in the > index but I wouldn't let that discourage me as the book ( I have a copy and > it is easily available) is highly anecdotal.. > > The "Grave Markers" book shouldn't be too hard to locate either as I see it > quoted frequently. Unfortunately, I only have a couple of pages > photocopied and they pertain to John Carter Poythress (d. 1862). A real > plus is that the authors don't just give you just dry bones copied off > tombstones but a whole bunch of peripheral information. For example, after > John Carter P's name and dates on the tombstone, there is at least a half > page on father George, John's wife and children, etc. etc. > > And, if Duke was buried in 1906 it is very likely he was buried in a church > graveyard and if it's Methodist, that's not a bad place to start. The > repository for all the Methodist historical records is over on St. Simons > Island. I wrote them about Francis Poythress the KY circuit rider we are > interested in and they sent me a couple of dozen xeroxed pages. I don't > have the address but I'm sure information or even a search engine would > turn it up for you. > > And, since Duke lived to be 86 years old, he should be all over the Burke > censuses. Just about everything else in Burke was burned in one of their 3 > courthouse fires but the censuses were kept in.....Washington, I > suppose....and those records are still available. > > Hope this helps. Maybe someone on the wire will have more. > Best, Maynard > > By the way, I'm finding your John Dolan (?) Poythress (almost certainly son > of James P. Poythress, the migrant from Screven) listed as a private in > some Louisianna regmt. Wonder why? And after "de wahr" he apparently > returns to Gadsden County, Florida to start (or continue) his family. Is > that any surpirse to you? > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Geneaology Research Web > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

Anyone interested in maps that cover such things as tiny GA towns & cemeteries near them, should know that the state of GA (and every other state) sells detailed County Highway Maps. They are not in color -- just black lines on white paper. But they are large (about 3'x4' in size) & VERY detailed - they cover a wealth of informative detail. Anyone researching any county would benefit from owning the county highway map for every county in which they are interested. These types of maps also show the degree & minute markings & township/range type of markings that allow you to coordinate them with US Geological Service topo maps, etc. A Burke County (or any other GA county) Highway Map can be bought as follows. I printed off the following info from my 4/15/00 visit to the following web page, so you'd be wise to check the website to see if prices/procedures have changed: www.dot.state.ga.us/homeoffs/planning.www/map_sale.htm (Each state seems to have a similar www.dot.state website for each of their Depts of Transportation) Mon-Fri 8am-4:30pm, WALK UP to the counter for $2 each, from: GA Dept of Transportation, Map Sales 2 Capitol Square Atlanta, GA Phone 404-656-5336; Fax 404-656-3507. and can be ordered by MAIL, for the same $2 each IF you ADD the appropriate postage & handling (+$2 for charges under $5; +$2.50 for charges of $5.01 to $15.00; + 15% of purchase, minimum of $2.50, for charges over $15.01) & if you send a personal ck or money order for the EXACT amt due: Office of Information Services Attention: Map Sales 5025 New Peachtree Rd. NE Chamblee, GA 30341 Now, on to specifics. The Burke County Highway map shows Gough & even a blow-up inset of the little town itself. For that matter my Rand McNally highway atlas also shows Gough. It is just east of the western border of Burke County, roughly halfway up (or down) that border. It is on an east-west road parallel to & just north of GA Rt. 24. Gough is located at the intersection of that road & the north-south-running GA Rt. 305. The County Highway map shows a likely cemetery just west of town, "Sheppard Place Cemetery," on the south side of the road. Good luck, Linda, on learning further info from the book Maynard mentioned &/or from churches in the Gough area. Maynard, thank you so much for the full title & authors & publication info on the book. I've never heard of Dr. Hillhouse's name before. I had tried to find that book before (after one of our correspondents had mentioned a grave in it) on several of my research trips, but I did not have a full title, much less the further identifying data, so have never been able to find the book. Also, I'd never heard of there being a Methodist archives on St. Simons Island, so I'm glad to learn of that, too; if you could locate the address where you wrote to them, I'm sure I'm not the only person who would appreciate getting it. BPN = = = = In a message dated 2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Subj:Duke Family > Date:2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > > Hi there, Maynard -- > It's been a little while since we've talked. I'm still down here slowly > plodding away with my families. Now what -- I've been told that I have > a GG Grandfather Robert Taylor Duke, b. 1 Jul 1820 in Morgan Co., GA, d. > 22 Feb 1906 in Burke Co., GA. Seems he "is buried in a small cemetery, > just west of the own of Gough, Burke Co, Ga. His grave is well > monumented with dates and inscription." How long ago the little > gravesite was seen, who knows. I think these notes came from a Weakley > Family history book published back in 1963. > > Now my question -- I recall that only a week or so ago you mentioned a > county map you had -- was it Burke -- or Screvian (sp.??) County? I > really don't believe now that I'm thinking about it that it was Burke, > but then you might just have one of that county too. > > I'd certainly like to try to find this place -- at least the name -- do > you have anything showing a small cemetery just west of the little town > of Gough? I thought I'd even perhaps right to the local post office > and/or Methodist Church and see what kind of response I'd perhaps get. > Do you have any ideas?? > I still enjoy all the Poythress "talk" ya'll do with one another -- hope > you and your wife are doing well these days & enjoying that new place. > Just me down here in Gadsden Co., FL > > Linda Clark Smith Hi Linda, great to hear from you again. Thought you had dropped off the radar. Sorry but the map I have is of Screven. And I have never heard of Gough, GA but that doesn't mean anything, someone is always pulling out one of those little towns in that part of the state that I have never heard of. The Duke name came up in early Virginia as a Poythress had a land transaction with an Elizabeth Duke but since the Duke name is all not all that rare and the time frame is so removed I wouldn't try to make anything of it. Just a fragment out of my memory-bone so forget it. However, there is a dandy of a book that will likely have what you want: "Grave Markers in Burke County, Georgia" written in 1974, by Powell, Odom & Hillhouse, published by Chalker Pub. Co. in Waynesboro, Georgia. I go through Waynesboro each year on the way to Sylvania and I doubt seriously if the Chalker Publishing Co. (or much of anything else) is still standing in Waynesboro. It is my impression that Dr. Hillhouse is the reigning expert on Burke County. He collaborated with Dorothy Odom (some linkage there to Poythresses) and Lillian Powell on this book. Dr. Hillhouse also wrote "A History of Burke County, Georgia, 1777-1950." There is no Duke in the index but I wouldn't let that discourage me as the book ( I have a copy and it is easily available) is highly anecdotal.. The "Grave Markers" book shouldn't be too hard to locate either as I see it quoted frequently. Unfortunately, I only have a couple of pages photocopied and they pertain to John Carter Poythress (d. 1862). A real plus is that the authors don't just give you just dry bones copied off tombstones but a whole bunch of peripheral information. For example, after John Carter P's name and dates on the tombstone, there is at least a half page on father George, John's wife and children, etc. etc. And, if Duke was buried in 1906 it is very likely he was buried in a church graveyard and if it's Methodist, that's not a bad place to start. The repository for all the Methodist historical records is over on St. Simons Island. I wrote them about Francis Poythress the KY circuit rider we are interested in and they sent me a couple of dozen xeroxed pages. I don't have the address but I'm sure information or even a search engine would turn it up for you. And, since Duke lived to be 86 years old, he should be all over the Burke censuses. Just about everything else in Burke was burned in one of their 3 courthouse fires but the censuses were kept in.....Washington, I suppose....and those records are still available. Hope this helps. Maybe someone on the wire will have more. Best, Maynard By the way, I'm finding your John Dolan (?) Poythress (almost certainly son of James P. Poythress, the migrant from Screven) listed as a private in some Louisianna regmt. Wonder why? And after "de wahr" he apparently returns to Gadsden County, Florida to start (or continue) his family. Is that any surpirse to you? >

In a message dated 2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Subj:Duke Family > Date:2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > > Hi there, Maynard -- > It's been a little while since we've talked. I'm still down here slowly > plodding away with my families. Now what -- I've been told that I have > a GG Grandfather Robert Taylor Duke, b. 1 Jul 1820 in Morgan Co., GA, d. > 22 Feb 1906 in Burke Co., GA. Seems he "is buried in a small cemetery, > just west of the own of Gough, Burke Co, Ga. His grave is well > monumented with dates and inscription." How long ago the little > gravesite was seen, who knows. I think these notes came from a Weakley > Family history book published back in 1963. > > Now my question -- I recall that only a week or so ago you mentioned a > county map you had -- was it Burke -- or Screvian (sp.??) County? I > really don't believe now that I'm thinking about it that it was Burke, > but then you might just have one of that county too. > > I'd certainly like to try to find this place -- at least the name -- do > you have anything showing a small cemetery just west of the little town > of Gough? I thought I'd even perhaps right to the local post office > and/or Methodist Church and see what kind of response I'd perhaps get. > Do you have any ideas?? > I still enjoy all the Poythress "talk" ya'll do with one another -- hope > you and your wife are doing well these days & enjoying that new place. > Just me down here in Gadsden Co., FL > > Linda Clark Smith Hi Linda, great to hear from you again. Thought you had dropped off the radar. Sorry but the map I have is of Screven. And I have never heard of Gough, GA but that doesn't mean anything, someone is always pulling out one of those little towns in that part of the state that I have never heard of. The Duke name came up in early Virginia as a Poythress had a land transaction with an Elizabeth Duke but since the Duke name is all not all that rare and the time frame is so removed I wouldn't try to make anything of it. Just a fragment out of my memory-bone so forget it. However, there is a dandy of a book that will likely have what you want: "Grave Markers in Burke County, Georgia" written in 1974, by Powell, Odom & Hillhouse, published by Chalker Pub. Co. in Waynesboro, Georgia. I go through Waynesboro each year on the way to Sylvania and I doubt seriously if the Chalker Publishing Co. (or much of anything else) is still standing in Waynesboro. It is my impression that Dr. Hillhouse is the reigning expert on Burke County. He collaborated with Dorothy Odom (some linkage there to Poythresses) and Lillian Powell on this book. Dr. Hillhouse also wrote "A History of Burke County, Georgia, 1777-1950." There is no Duke in the index but I wouldn't let that discourage me as the book ( I have a copy and it is easily available) is highly anecdotal.. The "Grave Markers" book shouldn't be too hard to locate either as I see it quoted frequently. Unfortunately, I only have a couple of pages photocopied and they pertain to John Carter Poythress (d. 1862). A real plus is that the authors don't just give you just dry bones copied off tombstones but a whole bunch of peripheral information. For example, after John Carter P's name and dates on the tombstone, there is at least a half page on father George, John's wife and children, etc. etc. And, if Duke was buried in 1906 it is very likely he was buried in a church graveyard and if it's Methodist, that's not a bad place to start. The repository for all the Methodist historical records is over on St. Simons Island. I wrote them about Francis Poythress the KY circuit rider we are interested in and they sent me a couple of dozen xeroxed pages. I don't have the address but I'm sure information or even a search engine would turn it up for you. And, since Duke lived to be 86 years old, he should be all over the Burke censuses. Just about everything else in Burke was burned in one of their 3 courthouse fires but the censuses were kept in.....Washington, I suppose....and those records are still available. Hope this helps. Maybe someone on the wire will have more. Best, Maynard By the way, I'm finding your John Dolan (?) Poythress (almost certainly son of James P. Poythress, the migrant from Screven) listed as a private in some Louisianna regmt. Wonder why? And after "de wahr" he apparently returns to Gadsden County, Florida to start (or continue) his family. Is that any surpirse to you? > >

The Tice lady is chasing elsewhere so I expect the exchange to be a one timer: Hi John: thanks for your quick reply. I don't believe I'd be much help to you on your Poythress line. My line is Read. I come thru Peter Read who first appeared in Charles City Co., VA in 1654. He married Ann (unknown) and had son Henry and daughter Ann Read Young (widow of Dorrell Young.) -------------------------------------------- However, we did get one decent document out of it that I don't recall seeing before. It indicates that Francis(2) "returned to England and died" with no indication as to his intention; i. e. did he go back temporarily or was his intention to stay. With a wife and property and children in Virginia I'd guess the former. Anyway for those of you who may have missed the document: Charles City County, VA. Order Book 1687-1688 at a court held at Westover 3 Dec. 1688. Page 549 "Henry Reed exhibits his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca his wife, Executrix of Maj. Francis Poythress. Plt. shows that one Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this country; before commission of administration was sent forth, Maj. Francis Poythress inventoried her estate and had it appraised to value of 5664 lbs. tobacco, and was thereof possessed. Thereafter administration was granted to said Poythress and to Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one of the orphans of Ann was in the custody of said Peter. That said Peter had of said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 lbs. tobacco. There remained in custody of Pothress 1882 lbs. tobacco, but Poythress shortly afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who begs recovery of 1882 lbs. tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca his wife be subpoenaed to answer. " [note: "Rebecca his wife" is in this instance Rebecca Coggin who has m. 2 Charles Bartholomew following the death of Francis Poythress(2) MP ] Maynard

Thanks, Lou, you had the very one I was fishing for: " Rebecca Coggin Poythress" m. 2 Charles Bartholomew. I just couldn't tease that one out of my memory bone. That Genealogy.com wire frustrates me to death. You have to go thru PC handsprings to copy and/or print stuff that's on there and you never get the e-mail address of whomever you are corresponding with. I suppose those guys are running the forum and are entitled to make a buck so they "protect their market." But what a pain. I was going to send you a copy of my return to her but I "posted" it and it doesn't even show up in my outgoing mailbox. I used your Boddie citation plus the will of Robert Wynne making Francis Poythress his son in law (stepson) an overseer of his administration as a "by definition" example; i. e. if Wynne died in 1675 he could ONLY be naming Francis Poythress(2) the son of Francis(1) and his own wife Mary______. Francis(1) HAD to be dead by 1675 in that example. Thanks again. I'll let you all know what she says if I can ever get it copied. Maynard

Maynard, I think you are absolutely correct in all your conjectures. I certainly have nothing to prove conclusively that the Francis Poythress, subject of the following, was Francis(2) but I, too, am 100% confident it is. On one point you state "I would further take a wild guess that perhaps widow Rebecca Coggin Poythress m.2 Charles Bartholomew." It seems that Boddie which I've cited in my notes as "“Exc. Journal Council Col. Va., Vol. I-3131, dated 14 Jun 1694” — Boddie, John Bennett, Historical Southern Families, Vol. IV, p. 31" fully agrees with you. He, Boddie, says: "She [Rebecca Coggin Poythress] later married (2) Charles Bartholomew, the widower of her sister. This resulted in court action, as according to the ecclesiastical law in effect in Virginia at that time, this constituted an incestuous marriage." Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: (no subject) Posted by: Helen L. Tice¤Date: February 06, 2002 at 13:11:29 In Reply to: Re: Francis Poythress b.1614 London d.1661 Charles City, Va by John M. Poythress of 109 John: in the Charles City County, VA. Order Book 1687-1688 at a court held at Westover 3 Dec. 1688. Page 549 "Henry Reed exhibits his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca his wife, Executrix of Maj. Francis Poythress. Plt. shows that one Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this country; before commission of administration was sent forth, Maj. Francis Poythress inventoried her estate and had it appraised to value of 5664 lbs. tobacco, and was thereof possessed. Thereafter administration was granted to said Poythress and to Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one of the orphans of Ann was in the custody of said Peter. That said Peter had of said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 lbs. tobacco. There remained in custody of Pothress 1882 lbs. tobacco, but Poythress shortly afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who begs recovery of 1882 lbs. tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca his wife be subpoenaed to answer. " Ann Read Young died ca. 1685, and her estate would not have been appraised before she died. Unless we're speaking of another Poythress, I don't see how he could have died in 1661 in Charles City Co., VA when he was said to have appraised her estate around 1685. According to the Court Order Book, Major Poythress went to England and died. Group: This is message off that maddening Genalogy.com site where you can't "save" anything for your own records (or at least I need someone to tell me how to....I have already tried to use .rtf and it doesn't work, or at least it won't print). I'll make odds she is talking Francis(2) later aka "Major" and using this document as a stand alone. Without dredging through all my stuff I can't say if I have this document or not. I suspect "not." I would surely have remembered a line saying "Poythress shortly afterward went to England and died". In any case, I will speculate that Mrs. Tice is talking Francis(2) and I would further take a wild guess that perhaps widow Rebecca Coggin Poythress m.2 Charles Bartholomew. I'm confident I can prove I'm talking Francis(1) and she's talking Francis(2) via citing the (1675) will of Robert Wynne citing "my son-in-law" [stepson] Captian Francis Poythress as an overseer of the terms of the will. At least that puts it ahead of 1675. But I'd rather not "prove it in the negative"; I'd rather have something solid. Can anyone put a finger on this one? Thanks, Maynard ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Geneaology Research Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

Posted by: Helen L. Tice¤Date: February 06, 2002 at 13:11:29 In Reply to: Re: Francis Poythress b.1614 London d.1661 Charles City, Va by John M. Poythress of 109 John: in the Charles City County, VA. Order Book 1687-1688 at a court held at Westover 3 Dec. 1688. Page 549 "Henry Reed exhibits his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca his wife, Executrix of Maj. Francis Poythress. Plt. shows that one Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this country; before commission of administration was sent forth, Maj. Francis Poythress inventoried her estate and had it appraised to value of 5664 lbs. tobacco, and was thereof possessed. Thereafter administration was granted to said Poythress and to Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one of the orphans of Ann was in the custody of said Peter. That said Peter had of said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 lbs. tobacco. There remained in custody of Pothress 1882 lbs. tobacco, but Poythress shortly afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who begs recovery of 1882 lbs. tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca his wife be subpoenaed to answer. " Ann Read Young died ca. 1685, and her estate would not have been appraised before she died. Unless we're speaking of another Poythress, I don't see how he could have died in 1661 in Charles City Co., VA when he was said to have appraised her estate around 1685. According to the Court Order Book, Major Poythress went to England and died. Group: This is message off that maddening Genalogy.com site where you can't "save" anything for your own records (or at least I need someone to tell me how to....I have already tried to use .rtf and it doesn't work, or at least it won't print). I'll make odds she is talking Francis(2) later aka "Major" and using this document as a stand alone. Without dredging through all my stuff I can't say if I have this document or not. I suspect "not." I would surely have remembered a line saying "Poythress shortly afterward went to England and died". In any case, I will speculate that Mrs. Tice is talking Francis(2) and I would further take a wild guess that perhaps widow Rebecca Coggin Poythress m.2 Charles Bartholomew. I'm confident I can prove I'm talking Francis(1) and she's talking Francis(2) via citing the (1675) will of Robert Wynne citing "my son-in-law" [stepson] Captian Francis Poythress as an overseer of the terms of the will. At least that puts it ahead of 1675. But I'd rather not "prove it in the negative"; I'd rather have something solid. Can anyone put a finger on this one? Thanks, Maynard

Maynard, You wrote: >Even small ponds and similar landmarks are shown in detail >and labelled. It is a snapshot in time of Screven County in 1911.< Do cemeteries show up on the map? (I'm referring to the various cemeteries that you & Bud have mentioned in earlier messages) Thanks, Barbara (BPN)

Poythress List: In 1911, one J. E. Twitty, Surveyor, compiled a map of Screven County. A friend of mine has access to this map. A professionally made copy of this "first run of copies" was given to me quietly under circumstances in which it was made clear the owner doesn't even advertise availability and prefers not to make copies of it (for whatever reason I don't know, likely the size makes it more trouble than it's worth). For those who do sniff it out prohibitive pricing of copies usually serves to keep it under wraps although there is no objection by the owner to someone else making copies of their own copy. For those doing serious research in Screven County, this map is an absolute beauty. It is crisply clear although white on black (blueprint style). It is so detailed that first and last names of heads of household are indicated in the locating of what is presumed to be all the individual homes in the county. Even small ponds and similar landmarks are shown in detail and labelled. It is a snapshot in time of Screven County in 1911. Size is 36" x 42" and the detail does not even require magnification. I came by my copy about 6 months ago. I had intended to get pricing on copying, mailing tubes and postage and then make copies available to list members at my cost. As I dithered about moving into a new home it slipped on my schedule until Doris pulled my chain. Doris had made the contact and the asking price was 80 bucks plus mailing tube and postage for a copy. Doris quickly saw that was likely a deliberately prohibitive price and asked me about it. Okay, thanks to Doris I have come undithered and gotten the costing together. Professional copying, mailing tubes and postage costs come to $34 each. On receipt of a check and a snail mail address I'll be happy to send you one out same day until the original supply runs out. I have a half dozen ready figuring I'd have at least that many takers on the first round. If more are wanted, I'll repeat the process as often as necessary. Caveats: 1) it's not especially suitable for framing in case the framing cost itself doesn't stop one. It's not remotely "pretty", it's more informational and, given the size, one doesn't exactly file it or access it easily. My copy just lives in its mailing tube and I drag it out from time to time. 2) only Poythress shown is Horace Cullen Poythress and my records say that would be so. Contiguous counties of Burke, Jenkins and Effingham may or may not have had some Poythresses at the time. Virtually all of the Screven County Poythress related families are shown on the Screven map although the connection may be close or remote. 3) unless you are seriously researching Georgia in general and Screven County in particular you might want to think twice before spending money on this one but for those wanting a copy I'm open for biz. My snail mail address is: John M. Poythress 15 Glenwood Road Louisville, KY 40222-6132 Best, Maynard

TODAY'S FastForward: Oil Change instructions for Women: 1) Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the last oil change 2) Drink a cup of coffee. 3) 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained vehicle. Money spent: * Oil Change $20.00 * Coffee $ 1.00 * Total $21.00. Oil Change instructions for Men: 1) Go to auto parts store and write a check for $50.00 for oil, filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree. 2) Discover that the used oil container is full. Instead of recycling it properly, dump in hole in back yard. 3) Open a beer and drink it. 4) Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands. 5) Find jack stands under kid's pedal car. 6) In frustration, open another beer and drink it. 7) Place drain pan under engine. 8) Look for 9/16 box end wrench. 9) Give up and use crescent wrench. 10) Unscrew drain plug. 11) Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: get hot oil on you in the process. 12) Clean up mess. 13) Have another beer while watching oil drain. 14) Look for oil filter wrench. 15) Give up; poke oil filter with screwdriver and twist off. 16) Beer. 17) Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him. Finish oil change tomorrow. 18) Next day, drag pan full of old oil out from underneath car. 19) Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18. 20) Beer. No, drank it all yesterday 21) Walk to 7-11; buy beer. 22) Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to gasket surface. 23) Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine. 24) Remember drain plug from step 11. 25) Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan. 26) Discover that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back yard along with drain plug. (IDIOT!!) 27) Drink beer. 28) Uncover hole and sift for drain plug. 29) Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor. 30) Drink beer. 31) Slip with wrench tightening drain plug and bang knuckles on frame. 32) Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 31. 33) Begin cussing fit. 34) Throw wrench. 35) Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss December(1992) in the left boob. 36) Beer. 37) Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to stop blood flow. 38) Beer. 39) Beer 40) Dump in five fresh quarts of oil. 41) Beer. 42) Lower car from jack stands. 43) Accidentally crush one of the jack stands. 44) Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during step 23. 45) Beer. 46) Test drive car. 47) Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence. 48) Car gets impounded. 49) Make bail. 50) Get car from impound yard. Money spent: Parts $50.00 DUI $2500.00 Impound fee $75.00 Bail $1500.00 Beer $25.00 Total-- $4150.00 But you know the job was done right!!! > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Woolsey AMCS Kyle E" <[email protected]> To: "Annette Fetterhoff (E-mail)" <[email protected]>; "Brandy Woolsey (E-mail)" <[email protected]>; "Chad Willis (E-mail)" <[email protected]>; "Curtis Ray Marcantel (E-mail)" <[email protected]> Cc: "George Dow (E-mail)" <[email protected]>; "Don Hutson (E-mail)" <[email protected]>; "JOHN MCELLIGOTT (E-mail)" <[email protected]>; "Rich Mays (E-mail)" <[email protected]>; "Ricky & Teresa (E-mail)" <[email protected]>; "Scott latham (E-mail)" <[email protected]>; "Tom Gatza (E-mail)" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:36 AM Subject: KYLE > If you ever need this, I hope it helps. > > Just PUSH! > > A man was sleeping at night in his cabin when suddenly his room filled with > light, and God appeared. > The Lord told the man he had work for him to do, and showed him a large > rock in front of his cabin. > The Lord explained that the man was to push against the rock with all his > might. So, this the man did, day after day. For many years he toiled from > sun up to sun down; his shoulders set squarely against the cold, massive > surface of the unmoving rock, pushing with all of his might. Each night the > man returned to his cabin sore and worn out, feeling that his whole day had > been spent in vain. > > Since the man was showing discouragement, the Adversary (Satan) decided to > enter the picture by placing thoughts into the weary mind: "you have been > pushing against that rock for a long time, and it hasn't moved." Thus, > giving the man the impression that the task was impossible and that he was > a failure. These thoughts discouraged and disheartened the man. "Why kill > myself over this?" he thought. "I'll just put in my time, giving just the > minimum effort; and that will be good enough." > And that is what he planned to do, until one day he decided to make it a > matter of prayer and take his troubled thoughts to the Lord. > "Lord," he said, I have labored long and hard in your service, putting all > my strength to do that which you have asked. Yet, after all this time, I > have not even budged that rock by half a millimeter. What is wrong? Why am > I failing? > The Lord responded compassionately, My friend, when I asked you to serve Me > and you accepted, I told you that your task was to push against the rock > with all of your strength, which you have done. Never once did I mention to > you that I expected you to move it. > Your task was to push. And now you come to Me with your strength spent, > thinking that you have failed. > But, is that really so? Look at yourself. Your arms are strong and muscled, > your back sinewy and brown, your hands are callused from constant pressure, > your legs have become massive and hard. Through opposition you have grown > much, and your abilities now surpass that which you used to have. Yet you > haven't moved the rock. But your calling was to be obedient and to push and > to exercise your faith and trust in My wisdom. > This you have done. Now I, My friend, will now move the rock. > > At times, when we hear a word from God, we tend to use our own intellect to > decipher what He wants, when actually what God wants is just a simple > obedience and faith in Him. By all means, exercise the faith that moves > mountains, but know that it is still God who moves mountains. > > When everything seems to go wrong ... just P.U.S.H. > When the job gets you down ... just P.U.S.H. > When people don't react the way you think they should ... just P.U.S.H. > When your money looks "gone" and the bills are due...just P.U.S.H! > When people just don't understand you ... just P.U.S.H. > P= Pray > U= Until > S= Something > H= Happens > > Pass this on to all the loved ones and friends who may need it, they may > get it just in time. >

Please note this post from the Screven County Bulletin board. I went to the site referenced and there are no Poythress surprises for us. However, it occurs to me that GenWeb may be working on other states' rosters and one or more of you might wish to inquire. Best, Maynard Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:08:42 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: [GASCREVE] GA CSA Soldiers Index Online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hope someone will find this of interest. Great job! Jennifer Cone Keith Giddeon" <[email protected]> Hi all, I have just completed the informational pages for the Georgia Civil War Soldiers Index. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/military/gsi/index.html ===================== I want to thank Virginia Crilley and Tim Stowell for lots of help and encouragement during the course of this project. Feel free to link to it from your county sites, special project sites, personal sites, etc. ===================== The Index is an alphabetical listing of most soldiers serving the state of Georgia during the War Between the States. In all, the list contains over 211,000 records, with more (approximately 10-20,000) to come in the next few months. I have received approximately 450 emails regarding this Index since it went online in late December. I have received many thanks from those who have found information on their ancestors. Along with many of these thanks, came offers to assist me in my genealogy research should the need arise. Please save your offers to help me personally. Instead of using your time to email me (unless you have a question not contained in the FAQ), please transcribe a deed, or a will. Anything you have lying around in your files. When you have it transcribed, send it to the county coordinator for that county, and/or the county file manager for the Archives. Let's get a much larger amount of free data online this year, than has been seen in all previous years. I hope the Index helps you in your research, I know it has mine. Sincerely, Keith Giddeon

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I would like some help from you Poythress scholars. Despite the ring of conviction (hedged with "tentatively" at the end) in the following write-up, the index cards do not reflect the marriage of James Cocke to Elizabeth 211 11. See other references to Mr. Cocke as marrying Elizabeth Poythress, granddaughter of John Poythress (BF) and Mary Batte [Batte 142]. [I will provide if anyone is interested.] Perhaps John was nicknamed "Joshua"? Write-up with Trial Chart of the Descendants of Francis Poythress Prepared April 1977 by R. Bolling Batte found in Virginia State Library, Archives Division Accession Number 29493 transcribed by Maynard (on the web site.) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/batte.html 211 11 Elizabeth Poythress Shown as a child of Joshua and Elizabeth (Robertson) Poythress in the notes on the Robertson family made by Gov. Wyndham Robertson. Elizabeth (Robertson) Poythress was the governor’s aunt. He certainly would have had personal knowledge of her children. Several printed accounts of the Cocke and Poythress families state that James Cocke, son of Benjamin, married Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of Joshua, without identifying the Joshua, and that they had a daughter Elizabeth Cocke who married Jacob Hoffman. As to this last couple there can be no doubt. In 1955 I ran across a monument in the cemetery in Leesburg inscribed: "In memory of Jacob Hoffman/and his wife/ Elizabeth Cocke/and their children/erected by their grand-daughter/1928." If the mother of this Elizabeth Cocke had indeed been the daughter of any Joshua Poythress at all she would have to have been the daughter of Joshua 211 1. She could not possibly been the daughter of Joshua 211 and Mary Short, for their daughter Elizabeth (as we shall see later) married Simon Fraser in 1775. Elizabeth Poythress who married James Cocke is said to have died in 1800. Tentatively I place her here."

Several articles in WSJ lately about coming increases in long distance service. While there will always be "deals" these guys are now talking 35 cents a minute for the turkey rate. To beat the system go to Sam's Club and buy a prepaid calling card at 3.4 cents per minute in denominations of 50, 100, 500, or 1000 minutes. Good for in-state & out-of-state. My Sam's still has them in inventory as of yesterday. Good for sending to out of town kids until the kids start making more money than you do. <g> Yeah, if you find an "affiliation" (almost anybody, "human race" might work) you can get a $15 associates Sam's membership. They say the membership is "yearly" but I've had mine for 3 years now and never have received a second bill. And yeah, it's a slight pain to dial the AT&T 800 access number and then your card number but most new phones will let you program in numbers and ease that one. If anybody can beat 3.4 cents a minute please let ME know. Best, Maynard

--part1_bd.1a9cbd88.297ce237_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lou....forwarding to you since as I recall you are the guy with the P'Pools, Petty-Pools, Pettypools, etc. in your truee. Best, Maynard --part1_bd.1a9cbd88.297ce237_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (rly-yc01.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.33]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINYC32-0120040851; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:08:51 1900 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.32]) by rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC19-0120040833; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:08:33 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g0K938n04140; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:03:08 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:03:08 -0700 Message-Id: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Subject: VAMECKLE-D Digest V02 #8 X-Loop: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/volume02/8 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 VAMECKLE-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 8 Today's Topics: #1 [VAMECKLE] 1775 John Heath, near M [[email protected]] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from VAMECKLE-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:42:03 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: [VAMECKLE] 1775 John Heath, near Mecklenburg-NC state line Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lists2.rootsweb.com id g0K938n04140 Any one have data on this John Heath? Halifax, VA, Deed Bk 10, Page 91, Nov 3, 1775 from Benjamin Pettypool of= H,=20 to John Heath{Hite??}of Halifax, for 12 =A3, one certain tract of land in H, bounded by John Murp= hey,=20 Howard Hurst, Pinsons branch, Byrd, Wilson, about 64 acres- Signed - Benjamin Pettypool(+ his mark) . W= it -=20 Henry Talley(H his mark),=20 William Pettypool(x his mark), Haden Pryor, John Wade, Moses Parish (\\ h= is=20 mark){ Parrish?}. Recorded Aug 15. l776---note Wilson above and see Thomas Wilson near Stanley Hite = 1782=20 tax list.----This land is on Hyco Riv. near Aaron Ck as proven by: Halifax Co, VA, Deed Bk 9, Page 7= 5.=20 Mar 4, 1773 from Seth PettyPool of H, to Benjamin PettyPool of H, for the love Seth has for his grandson, Benjamin= ; =20 Seth has given Benjamin PettyPool a certain tract of about 64 acres of land in H on the south side of Hico Cr, bounded by Joh= n=20 Murphy, Howard Hurst, Pinson's branch, Byrd, Thomas Wiler{Wiles-Wilson?}. Signed - Seth (+ his mark) PettyPool. Wit -=20 William PettyPool(x his mark}, Haden Pryor, Ginor Roach(+ her mark), Martha Crook(+ her mark) , John Whit(x his mark) ,=20 Fredrick Talley(+his mark) . Recorded Jun 17, 1773 -------------------------------- --part1_bd.1a9cbd88.297ce237_boundary--

Maynard & Bud, Thanks guys for the information! Doris Odom sent me an email directly thinking my Wm E. and her Nathaniel H. may be related, at present I can't say for sure. So we keep on looking for some connection somewhere. I appreciate the information! Thanks again. Debbie _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx