Interesting book on E-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1523292604 However, not interesting enough for me to buy but the descriotion is fairly comprehensive. Maynard

Dear Diane, Per your request for information about Thomas JEFFERSON's lineage, I was looking at the information on the webpages that you sent the link for and noticed something that is an error from past older biographies that have been proven to be incorrect, according to my understanding. I descend from Mary BRANCH, aka Mary Martha? BRANCH, and husband, Thomas (1) JEFFERSON, through their daughter, Martha JEFFERSON, who married (Colonel) Robert (2) WYNNE, (son of Agnes STITH, (daughter of (Major) John STITH and wife: Mrs. Jane MOSBY (GREGORY) (PARSONS) (STITH,)) and Agnes's husband, Thomas WYNNE, (son of (Colonel) Robert (1) WYNNE and Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN?? (POYTHRESS,) (widow of Francis POYTHRESS.) From Martha JEFFERSON and husband, (Colonel) Robert (2) WYNNE I descend through their daughter, Lucretia WYNNE, who married Joseph Tudor TUCKER, (son of Joseph TUCKER, (son of Robert (1) TUCKER and Elizabeth COLEMAN,) and Martha "Patsey" COLSON,) and from Lucretia WYNNE and Joseph Tudor TUCKER I descend through their daughter, Martha TUCKER, who married (Captain) Benjamin BELL, (son of Hannah STOKES and John BELL, Jr., (son of John BELL, Sr. and Ann BENNETT, (daughter of Richard BENNETT, Jr.,) through their daughter, Martha Jefferson BELL, who married Samuel WALKER, (Rev.,) (RS,) etc.. Mary BRANCH, born: 1657 in Henrico Co., VA who md: abt. 1677/78 in Henrico Co., VA and Thomas (1) JEFFERSON, great grandparents of (Pres.) Thomas JEFFERSON and my information shows that Mary BRANCH has been correctly identified as the daughter of Christopher BRANCH, II, son of Christopher BRANCH, I and wife, Mary ADDIE, daughter of Francis ADDIE. And Mary BRANCH's mother and the wife of Christopher BRANCH, II is THOUGHT to be Sarah ALMOND, daughter of Samuel ALMOND/ALLMOND, but not proven as his wife as far as I know at this time. And after the death of Thomas (1) JEFFERSON, Mrs. Mary BRANCH (JEFFERSON) married husb. # 2 who was named Joseph MATTOCKS and they married on 01 April 1701 in St. John's Church in Henrico Co., VA. And this William BRANCH shown in your information below, I believe, is the son of Christopher BRANCH, I and his wife, Mary ADDIE, daughter of Francis ADDIE. Christopher BRANCH, I was the son of Lionel BRAUNCHE and Valentia SPARKES/SPARKS. ********** Children of Christopher BRANCH, I and Mary ADDIE were: (1.) Ephraim BRANCH (2.) Thomas BRANCH, ...........born: 16 Aug 1619 in Jamestown, VA ...........bapt: May1620 Jamestown VA ...........died: 1694 in Varina, Henrico Co VA ...........md: Elizabeth GOUGH (3.) William BRANCH ...........born: 1625 Henrico Co VA ...........died: 1677 Varina Parish, Henrico Co VA) ...........md: wife # 1: Jane HATCHER? ...........md: wife # 2: Jane BAILEY? ...............(not sure if this is the same Jane or not but with a married name??) (4.) Christopher BRANCH, II ...........born: 1627 Henrico Co VA ...........died: 1665 Charles City Co VA ...........md: ?Sarah ALMOND? .......................mother: ?? .......................father: Samuel ALMOND/ALLMOND ...............(This Sarah ALMOND is said to have survived one of the early ................massacres with her brother by hiding in a trunk. Not much info. ................and she is not, as far as I know at this time, proven to be the wife ................of Christopher BRANCH, II but strong speculation that it is so.) ************ and Children of Christopher BRANCH, II and ?Sarah ALMOND/ALLMOND? include: (1.) Mary Martha? BRANCH ...........born: 1657 Henrico County, Virginia ...........md: # 1 Thomas (1) JEFFERSON ...........md: # 2 Joseph MATTOCKS (2.) Christopher BRANCH, III ...........md. Anne Sherman (3.) Samuel BRANCH ...........born: 1663 in Henrico County, Virginia ...........died: 1700 in Henrico County, Virginia ...........m Ursula ? (4.) Sarah BRANCH (5.) Benjamin BRANCH ...........m Tabitha OSBPORNE ************ Back to Mary ADDIE and Christopher BRANCH, I: Mary ADDIE .....born: 1602 in Darton, York, England .....died: 1681 in Virginia .....md: 02 Sep 1619 in Westcheap, St. Peter's Westcheap, London, England .....mother: ?? .....father: (Sir?) Francis ADDIE, aka ATLIE? ....................born: bef. 1580 ....................died: ?? md: Christopher BRANCH, I ............born: 02 Sep 1602 in London, Middlesex, England ............died: 1681?/abt. 1627? in Henrico Co., VA ............md: 02 Sep 1619 in Westcheap, St. Peter's Westcheap, London, England ............Notes for Christopher BRANCH, I .....................Justice of Charles City Co., VA in 1637 .....................House of Burgesses Member in 1641 .....................md: 02 Sep 1619 in St. Peter's, Westcheap, London, Middlesex, England .....................mother: Valentia SPARKES/SPARKS ...........................born: 1601 in London, England .....................father: Lionel BRAUNCHE ...........................born: 18 Aug 1566 in Abington, Berkshire, England, (christened same day) ...........................died: 1605 in England ...........................md: 08 July 1596 at St. Martin's, Ludgate, London, Middlesex, England ................................Notes: for Lionel BRAUNCHE .....................................02 July 1585 Lionel BRAUNCHE, a commoner, .....................................matriculated Magdalen College at Oxford University .....................................and graduated 11 Feb 1590 ...........................mother: C(K)atherine JENNINGS ............................................born: abt. 1556 in England ............................................died: bef. 25 Aug 1597 ............................................buried: 25 Aug 1597 in St. Helen's Church, Abington, Berkshire, England ............................................md: abt. 1556 in Abington, Berkshire, England ............................................mother: Alice BRIGHT .................................................mother: Isabel ? .................................................father: Richard BRIGHT ............................................father: Thomas JENNINGS .................................................born: 1516 .................................................died: bef. 15 May 1561 in Abington/Abingdon, Berkshire, England .................................................Notes for Thomas JENNINGS: .....................................................Burgess from Abingt(d)on, Berkshire, England .....................................................(Info from Genealogies of Virginia Families .....................................................from the Virginia Magazine of .....................................................History and Biography, Volume I, .....................................................Adams-Chiles, Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co., .....................................................and "WOODSON DESCENT FROM ALFRED THE GREAT" .....................................................published by Robert L. THOMAS, M.D.) .....................................................2nd son of an Abingdon, Berkshire, England Draper and Burgess .....................................................Will dated 08 April 1561 and 15 May 1561. ..................................................father: William JENNINGS .................................................................(an Abingdon, Berkshire, England Draper and Burgess) .................................................................parents: ?? .................................................................mother: Joan BOSTOCK ......................................................................born: ......................................................................died: in Abingdon, Berkshire, England Sincerely, Bellinda Myrick - Barnett information on your pages shows: The Poythress Family Entries: 4355 Updated: Mon Mar 4 21:44:37 2002 Contact: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">Diana Diamond</A> < [email protected]> Home Page: <A HREF="http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html">R_ Bolling Batte Papers Biographical Card Files Collection Index</A> This DRAFT database charts descendants of Francis Poythress (P-1) and related Virginia families. It is based on the work of the late R. Bolling Batte (RBB). See the index cards at the Library of Virginia (LVA) (http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html). Link above. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=poythressp1&surname=Branch%2C+Mary">Index</A> | <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=poythressp1&id=I0337">Descendancy</A> | <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=poythressp1&id=I0337">Register</A> | <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=poythressp1&id=I0337">Pedigree</A> | <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=poythressp1&id=I0337">Ahnentafel</A> | <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igmpostem.cgi?op=add&app=poythressp1&notify=aaaaadiamond%40yahoo%2Ecom&key=I0337&return=%3Ca+href%3D%22%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Figm%2Ecgi%3Fop%3DGET%26amp%3Bdb%3Dpoythressp1%26amp%3Bid%3DI0337%22%3EReturn+to+WorldConnect%3C%2Fa%3E">Add Post-em</A> ID: I0337 Name: Mary Branch <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s1">1</A> Sex: F Father: <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=poythressp1&id=I3285">William Branch</A> Mother: <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=poythressp1&id=I3286">Jane Hatcher</A> *****

The linking Randolph I gave you was one generation too low. Try William Randolph was born 1572 in Northamptonshire, England, and died 1660. He married Elizabeth Smith. She was born in 1st wife of Wm Randolph. He married Dorothy Lane. Here is a link, but you will probably have to copy the whole link (the end will be black) into your browser. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=poythressp1&id=I3 287 Diana

Debbie I included Thomas Jefferson in my database to partially answer this kind of question. He is only sketchily entered. This question has come up several times since I have been on the list, so I tried to see what Batte would say. See http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1 Go to the J's in the index, then Thomas born 1743. Thomas Jefferson's sister married John Bolling [(B-2) AAB], which means he, a descendant of Jane Poythress, is 5 generations removed from Francis Poythress. B-2 A is equivalent to P-1 AAA. But to answer the question I think you are asking, the Randolphs who married Poythresses on the Batte Chart A are descendants of Henry Randolph (R-2), the Uncle of William of Turkey Island (R-1). Their lines meet in England in Richard Randolph of England, born 1620/21 married to Elizabeth Ryland. So they are cousins, but somewhat removed. But many of the descendants of Francis married into both lines, Henry Randolph and William of Turkey Island. Since my database emphasis is Francis Poythress, if you go to Richard Randolph of England, and select the "descendancy" or "register" most of the people you see after the first few generations are descendants of Francis Poythress. Hope that helps. Diana

Dear Diana, Thank you SO much for making all your great work available on Rootsweb's World Connect. I only had time so far to briefly give it a quick spin, but was quite impressed with the quantity & quality of your work, as well as by how easy it is to maneuver around in by just clicking on connections to see someone's ancestors or descendants. Thank you for this magnificent addition! Cheers, BPN <snip> From: "Diana Diamond" <[email protected]> Subject: Tour: (P-1) Poythress Family of R. Bolling Batte Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:02:03 -0500 Try a tour of my database at newly installed at Rootsweb's World Connect. It can also be accessed through www.ancestry.com, but that may be trickier. Main Page http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1

Hello Everyone, I have just finished listening to "John Adams" on audiocassette and was very interested in the information that I learned about Richard Lee, from Virgina, most especially about Thomas Jefferson's mother being a Randolph, as well as his daughter, Martha (Patsy) also marrying a Randolph ( a cousin I presumed). This is what I have gathered thus far and was hoping someone might know a little more than I do about this already. T. Jefferson's mother was Jane Randolph; her father was Isham Randolph & his mother was Mary Isham. Martha Jefferson married, Thomas Mann Randolph, Jr, with no mention as to who his parents were from the website I visited. T. Jefferson's wife was Martha Wayles Skelton; her mother was Martha Epes, who was the daughter of Francis IV Epes and the g. daughter of Francis III Epes and Anne Isham. Now if memory serves me right, those were all names - Epes, Isham, & Randolph - that had been in the Poythress lines as well. I found that very interesting and was wondering how they would all connect to Capt. Francis Poythress. Just curious. Debbie Poythress _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

If the email I sent earlier doesn't engender some questions, then I haven't done my job well. But to anticipate some questions, I would like to list some highlights of my database at <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1> Features: o Fairly complete picture the Poythress family and descendants--nearly all descendants, including Jane's--from 1609 through 1800, and for many of them, through 1900. o Fairly complete references to the Batte's index cards for each person in the database in the target group. I provided a link to the RBB cards in what is called "My Home Page." I encourage you to check my work. o Fairly complete background of the spouses of the Poythress descendants, for a few generations in many cases. o I converted all the Eppes to Epes to make the alphabetical features of computers work better. I used R. Bolling Batte's cards rather than Mr. Dorman's book, "The Descendants of Francis Epes". I did this to keep the work consistent. In a few cases, I made note of The Dorman book. o Good linkage of families when cousins marry, which they do often. o Less information about the individuals' occupations etc. Something I hope to work on in the future. In my own FTM database, (which the produced the gedcom, that rootsweb uses) I have the card images in my scrapbook to refer to again and again. So if you have specific questions about individuals, I hope to answer them easily. o A serviceable system of identifying where there are problems and questions. o By having each card image handy to check and double check in my personal FTM database, and by using Mr. Batte's own letter-ordering system, I have a high degree of confidence I got the marriages and children entered correctly. I expect some typos in the date sections, by the nature of how they were entered. I am continuing to recheck these. Some of our people have strange given names. o At the moment, a fair amount of redundancy in identifying people, using Mr. Batte's letter system. Perhaps in the future I will reduce this. It was necessary to insure I had the right person when so many people have the same names. A few times R. Bolling Batte had trouble keeping them straight. o Inclusion of information on Mary Poythress's second family with Col. Wynne. o I am happy to add written notes to individuals you have researched and give you credit. Diana

Try a tour of my database at newly installed at Rootsweb's World Connect. It can also be accessed through www.ancestry.com, but that may be trickier. Main Page http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1 The following is designed to help people who haven't looked at the "World Connect" for a number of months. I encourage you all to look at all the databases there, by using the "search" links. In an ideal world you should be able to press the blue links below and go to the pages I have selected for view, but experience tells me the longer links will get their blue ends chopped off, and you may need to copy the whole link from beginning to end (the end will be black) and enter it into you browser. Or do your own tour. Or you can email me and I will send you the links in Microsoft word, where the ends aren't cut off. You can get this page by hitting "P" and selecting "Poythress" or enter this URL. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=poythressp1&recn o=3041 This is after hitting the "Descendancy" link for Francis Poythress http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=poythressp1&id=I 0007 and after hitting the "Register" Link. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=poythressp1&id=I0 007 Opening page for Francis, which you can reach from the page above, by selecting the "Individual" link: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=poythressp1&id=I0 007 and for pedigree of Patrick Henry Poythress http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=poythressp1&id=I0 119 and for ahnentafel of Patrick Henry Poythress. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=poythressp1&id=I0 119 I understand the whole world doesn't agree with Mr. Batte on every connection. I have made every effort to get his work right, and where I deviate, I try to make source notes. Please check the sources, and let me know if I have erred. I will probably update the database from time to time, so I welcome comments for all of you. Where these are your known ancestors, let me know how this squares with your information. Diana

Belinda....I'm not insisting that I'm 100% right but I do have some documentation and some reasonable circumstantial stuff. I have seen enough of what you have seen on the net to be very skeptical. I would speculate that someone just hung it out there and enough people copied it for it to take on a life of its own. And more and more people are trying to flesh out that line because the Jane Poythress you cite supposedly married Thomas Rolfe, son of John Rolfe m. Pocahontas. There must be a million people on line hooking up a Pocahontas decendency and when they see that Poythress name they have an urge to fill in the blanks......albeit that information itself would be irrelevent to a Pocahontas decendency. Here's how I propose it, and again I call it probable but not guaranteed. "The immigrant" Francis Poythress is baptised St. Mary's Parish, Newent, Gloustershire 12 July 1609 ("ffrancis the Sonne of John Poythres (one "s") was baptised 12 July 1609.)" Francis appears Charles City about 1631-2 as a factor for London merchant Lawrence Evans who sues Francis over some disagreement. Appointed court of merchants (about 1632) finds for Poythress. Francis marries Mary ________ ca 1632 or so and they have 4 children (as cited but in a different order) Jane, Thomas, John and Francis (2) are born, probably all before early 1640s. Mary's maiden name is the $64 question that everyone seems to be looking for. Francis dies about 1656 (I couldn't make a case against 1652) and Mary m. 2 Col. Robert Wynne as stated. I don't see any of this occurring in Middlesex other than perhaps the births of Robert Wynne and/or Mary _______. Records show Col. Wynne b. England. I'm not inclined to buy Mary b. England but that is only a hunch and it's doubful that has been proven. There are numerous candidates for Mary's maiden name: 1) Sloman......for no reason other than the name Sloman appears a couple of times as a given name after Mary m. Capt. Wynne and the name had shown in neither Poythress nor Wynne lines previously. That's not much to go on but I haven't seen anything substantive (or documented) anywhere. 2) Peyton/Payton......only sometimes with Alice Mary or Mary Alice as given name. Have seen it often and would love to see documentation. 3) Peterson.....no documentation at all. 4) Frances....to which I give no credibility because I believe it to be either one of Mary's given names or a confusion with husband Francis. So, I would posit: a) Mary's maiden name is not as yet known. b) all of this likely happened in a time frame perhaps a decade or two later than what is commonly seen on the net. c) Wynne b. England is documented, the details are somewhere. I never recorded them. Likely location is on the Wynne site as those people are fairly active. Mary b. England remains a question needing documentation. Hope this helps. John M. Poythress

Hello, I descend from Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN? POYTHRESS WYNNE and husband, (Colonel) Robert (1) WYNNE through Thomas WYNNE and Agnes STITH. Recently I lost most of my files in a major 'crash' but, thankfully, had a 'main file' that I had sent my brother that he sent back. But just now I found some information on the internet regarding the following but I didn't know whether it was valid or not. Could someone advise? Thanks. Sincerely, Bellinda Myrick - Barnett (Please see the following.) Alice (Mary) PAYTON ...born: abt. 1624 in London, Middleses, England md: Robert WYNNE ...md: abt. 1652 in London, Middlesex, England md: husb. # 1: Francis POYTHRESS Children of Francis POYTHRESS and Alice (Mary) PAYTON: Jane POYTHRESS John POYTHRESS Francis POYTHRESS Thomas POYTHRESS Can someone on the list explain to me: Is the Alice (Mary) PAYTON mentioned above the same person whom I show as Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN? POYTHRESS and if not is this incorrect or correct information? Is she shown as being married to the same Francis POYTHRESS and Robert WYNNE as Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN? POYTHRESS? And I have Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN? POYTHRESS? married 1st to Francis POYTHRESS and then 2nd to (Col.) Robert WYNNE which I believe is correct.

Barbara....oh, and BTW, you can copy all you want as long as the quarters to feed the xerox machine hold out so getting "the entire" line of proofs should be no problem provided we find the guy. Maynard

Barb...the only thing "restrictive" about these SAR guys is they nick you for 4 bucks to get in the library door unless you are already ordained with membership. <g> I suppose by contrast to the DAR, these guys have all the paper documented files of each successful applicant and the line by which he got there bound. And the accumulation of these gazillion applications comprises about 80% of the library's approx. 25M sq. ft. and the shelves are wide open. That one figures; typically I have found the DAR to do a Prussian postmaster act on some subjects while the SAR is laid back on just about everything. The library's other 20% is "textbooks" and I got thru all their indexes in couple of days and called it a day on the SAR since I couldn't find any applicant I wanted "by name"; i. e. the submissions are indexed by the applicant's name only without any "interior to the line" data that would help a search. I found no Poythress applicants and checked out, full well knowing that Lt. William was hiding somewhere in that 20M sq. ft. of shelves but figuring a lifetime to look was pretty long odds. At least that's the way it was a couple of years ago when I was last in there. Now that I have Prior and Peniston to look for that is at least something. But I guessing if the applicant's name ITSELF is not Prior or Peniston I'll be snookered. They may also have a full search feature by now. Even more importantly, I had an opportunity to join the SAR's library head enchalada for lunch a few months ago in connection with a little charity I do some work with I'll phone him before I go. I never fully believed that the only "bibliography" was by applicant's name and the enchalada will no doubt clear that up for me. Be back to you & the board. Maynard

Neat idea on looking for DAR/SAR connections. SAR national headquarters is about 3 blocks from Louisville's central library which I visit from time to time and I hope they have some kind of index.....if so, it will be a quick check. Maynard

This post is to correct my earlier post, to now include the correct surnames of the married sisters (per Maynard's message directly to me correcting his earlier message that should have read "Peniston" rather than "Pendleton"). Also adding an additional bit to my "Secondary thought" paragraph. BPN = = = = It occurs to me in reading the below message about Francis Poythress who was a Methodist preacher in the late 1700s & early 1800s, that perhaps we have one other avenue for identifying his VA father: Francis' two sisters - Rebecca who married a PRIOR & lived in KY by at least 1818; and - Elizabeth who married a PENISTON & lived in KY by at least 1818. Main thought was that perhaps looking for all 3 siblings (with marriage-surnames for 2 of them) in a Poythress family tree might conceivably give us some clue as to who was the father of all 3 of them, Francis, Rebecca & Elizabeth. Nothing in the Batte chart info leaps out at me as being the right family, but perhaps someone more familiar with all of Batte's research might recognize the marriage surnames of the 2 sisters? If so, would love to hear about it. Secondary thought: perhaps the reason both the PRIOR & PENISTON households were in KY by at least 1818 relates to the 2 men having gotten land there for Revolutionary War service. If Mr. ??? Prior or Mr. ??? Peniston ever was the "Patriot ancestor" for any descendants filing application for admission to DAR &/or to SAR, then the application forms should show that the applicant was filing based on Revolutionary service of Mr. ??? Prior [or Peniston] who was born in [county; state] on the __ day of ____, 17__, and died in [county; state] on the __ day of ____, 18__ and should also show that their line of descent was from that said Mr. ??? Prior [or Peniston] and his [first or whatever #] wife, [named____], who was born on [date] at [county; state], died on [date] at [county; state], married on [date]. Having such info on the Rebecca Poythress who married Mr. ??? Prior, or on the Elizabeth Poythress who married Mr. ??? Peniston, could go a long way to helping solve which Poythress fathered Rebecca & Elizabeth & Francis. AND Of course if we learn further info about Poythress folks beyond those who are on the Batte chart in the latter half of the 1700s, that will help all of us who seem to be descended from some Poythress who is not on the chart. BPN = = = = = = From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:33:33 EST Subject: Francis Poythress To: [email protected] In the Methodist histories of the late 18th century, early 19th century, considerable commentary is devoted to this man. He was originally from Prince George County, VA (the family seat) or one of its contiguous counties. Poythress' early history involved a circuit ministry in western Virginia and North Carolina. Later he associates with Bishop Asbury in opening Kentucky for the church and is credited with a substantive role in the foundation of what becomes Asbury College. Bishop Asbury put Poythress' name forward as a candidate for a bishopric and this candidacy failed by "the slimest of margins." Numerous Methodist histories have related this history as Francis Poythress collapsing (about 1811) from the strain of his ministries; subsequently being a "certified lunatic" for the last few years of his life and died about 1818 at the home of a sister, Mrs. Rebecca Prior in Jessamine County, KY. Also, living in the same KY county at the time was another sister, Mrs. Elizabeth Pendleton [CORRECTION: correct surname is Peniston]. (Francis Poythress never married). My specific search is a simple SINGLE but elusive piece of information: who were the parent (s) of Francis Poythress? My search in VA has been not been rewarding; Prince George is a "burned" county. My search in the Epworth-by-the Sea archives have turned up numerous multi-page articles or multi-page sections of various Methodist histories describing Poythress' ministerial activities without any personal history that identifies his origins. Methodist archives are not a logical place to look for these one or two names but it seems to be my only option left. Do you think by any chance that you could help me? Thanking you in advance for your kind consideration, Sincerely, John M. Poythress 15 Glenwood Road Louisville, KY 40222-6132 (502-425-4361) ([email protected])

It occurs to me in reading the below message about Francis Poythress who was a Methodist preacher in the late 1700s & early 1800s, that perhaps we have one other avenue for identifying his VA father: Francis' two sisters - Rebecca who married a Prior & lived in KY by at least 1818; and - Elizabeth who married a Pendleton & lived in KY by at least 1818. Main thought was that perhaps looking for all 3 siblings (with marriage-surnames for 2 of them) in a Poythress family tree might conceivably give us some clue as to who was the father of all 3 of them, Francis, Rebecca & Elizabeth. Nothing in the Batte chart info leaps out at me as being the right family, but perhaps someone more familiar with all of Batte's research might recognize the marriage surnames of the 2 sisters? If so, would love to hear about it. Secondary thought: perhaps the reason both the Prior & Pendleton households were in KY by at least 1818 relates to the 2 men having gotten land there for Revolutionary War service. BPN = = = = = = From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:33:33 EST Subject: Francis Poythress To: [email protected] In the Methodist histories of the late 18th century, early 19th century, considerable commentary is devoted to this man. He was originally from Prince George County, VA (the family seat) or one of its contiguous counties. Poythress' early history involved a circuit ministry in western Virginia and North Carolina. Later he associates with Bishop Asbury in opening Kentucky for the church and is credited with a substantive role in the foundation of what becomes Asbury College. Bishop Asbury put Poythress' name forward as a candidate for a bishopric and this candidacy failed by "the slimest of margins." Numerous Methodist histories have related this history as Francis Poythress collapsing (about 1811) from the strain of his ministries; subsequently being a "certified lunatic" for the last few years of his life and died about 1818 at the home of a sister, Mrs. Rebecca Prior in Jessamine County, KY. Also, living in the same KY county at the time was another sister, Mrs. Elizabeth Pendleton. (Francis Poythress never married). My specific search is a simple SINGLE but elusive piece of information: who were the parent (s) of Francis Poythress? My search in VA has been not been rewarding; Prince George is a "burned" county. My search in the Epworth-by-the Sea archives have turned up numerous multi-page articles or multi-page sections of various Methodist histories describing Poythress' ministerial activities without any personal history that identifies his origins. Methodist archives are not a logical place to look for these one or two names but it seems to be my only option left. Do you think by any chance that you could help me? Thanking you in advance for your kind consideration, Sincerely, John M. Poythress 15 Glenwood Road Louisville, KY 40222-6132 (502-425-4361) ([email protected])

I don't know why these were on the Charlotte County page except that Charlotte County was created out of (I think) Lunenburg and (again I think) Mecklenburg. I can't see any other rationale for putting the 1850 Mecklenburg census on the Charlotte County site. But for whatever reason, the below came off the Charlotte County site : CENSUS YR: 1850 TERRITORY: VA COUNTY: Mecklenburg REEL NO: 960 PAGE NO: 56b REFERENCE: 17th day of Sept 1850 J. O. Knox ============================================================================== =========================================== LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP. VAL. BIRTHPLACE MRD. SCH. R/W DDB ============================================================================== =========================================== 38 134 134 POYTHRESS David 44 M Overseer 429 VA 39 134 134 POYTHRESS Sally 32 F VA 40 134 134 POYTHRESS James 17 M VA 41 134 134 POYTHRESS Mary 14 F VA 42 134 134 POYTHRESS George 9 M VA CENSUS YR: 1850 TERRITORY: VA COUNTY: Mecklenburg REEL NO: 960 PAGE NO: 57 REFERENCE: 18th day of September 1850 J. O. Knox ============================================================================== =========================================== LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP. VAL. BIRTHPLACE MRD. SCH. R/W DDB ============================================================================== =========================================== 1 134 134 POYTHRESS Charles 1 M CENSUS YR: 1850 TERRITORY: VA COUNTY: Mecklenburg REEL NO: 960 PAGE NO: 62 REFERENCE: 25th day of Sept 1850 J. O. Knox ============================================================================== =========================================== LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP. VAL. BIRTHPLACE MRD. SCH. R/W DDB ============================================================================== =========================================== 2 217 217 POYTHRESS James 45 M Carpenter VA 3 217 217 POYTHRESS Catherine 45 F VA 4 217 217 POYTHRESS Joshua 21 M Capenter VA 5 217 217 POYTHRESS Nathan 19 M Laborer VA 6 217 217 POYTHRESS William 16 M Laborer VA 7 217 217 POYTHRESS Catherine 13 F VA 8 217 217 POYTHRESS Rebecca 11 F VA 9 217 217 POYTHRESS Penelope 9 F VA 10 217 217 POYTHRESS Alzernon 6 M VA 11 217 217 POYTHRESS Virinda 4 F VA 12 218 218 POYTHRESS Thomas 35 M Laborer 144 VA 13 218 218 POYTHRESS Lucy 25 F VA 14 218 218 POYTHRESS William 5 M VA 15 218 218 POYLTHRESS Frances 3 F VA 30 241 241 POYTHRESS Edward 52 M Laborer VA 31 241 241 POYTHRESS Mahala 47 F VA 32 241 241 POYTHRESS Sarah A. 47 F VA 33 241 241 POYTHRESS Harriett 16 F VA 34 241 241 POYTHRESS George 12 M VA

In the Methodist histories of the late 18th century, early 19th century, considerable commentary is devoted to this man. He was originally from Prince George County, VA (the family seat) or one of its contiguous counties. Poythress' early history involved a circuit ministry in western Virginia and North Carolina. Later he associates with Bishop Asbury in opening Kentucky for the church and is credited with a substantive role in the foundation of what becomes Asbury College. Bishop Asbury put Poythress' name forward as a candidate for a bishopric and this candidacy failed by "the slimest of margins." Numerous Methodist histories have related this history as Francis Poythress collapsing (about 1811) from the strain of his ministries; subsequently being a "certified lunatic" for the last few years of his life and died about 1818 at the home of a sister, Mrs. Rebecca Prior in Jessamine County, KY. Also, living in the same KY county at the time was another sister, Mrs. Elizabeth Pendleton. (Francis Poythress never married). My specific search is a simple SINGLE but elusive piece of information: who were the parent (s) of Francis Poythress? My search in VA has been not been rewarding; Prince George is a "burned" county. My search in the Epworth-by-the Sea archives have turned up numerous multi-page articles or multi-page sections of various Methodist histories describing Poythress' ministerial activities without any personal history that identifies his origins. Methodist archives are not a logical place to look for these one or two names but it seems to be my only option left. Do you think by any chance that you could help me? Thanking you in advance for your kind consideration, Sincerely, John M. Poythress 15 Glenwood Road Louisville, KY 40222-6132 (502-425-4361) ([email protected])

Patti: Re GDAH All directions and street adds and stuff is on the site: www.GeorgiaArchives.org. They are in the process of moving the archives to a new location in Morrow, GA, in Clayton County, somewhat in the boonies but not all that tough to reach as I suspect it's just right out the interstate a few miles. All the stuff in the upstairs is being boxed and moved first, thus leaving the general public part of the operation (that first floor) open although with restricted hours. They are closed on Saturdays and Mondays until the move is completed. So, it looks as if you are knocked out if your Atlanta trip is a weekend through Monday. Construction is expected to take 18 to 20 months from the starting date of Nov., 2001 You might want to phone Pam Coleman who is a senior archivist at the GDAH. Her number is 404-651-6474 and email is [email protected] I doubt if she can be able to open the place for anyone personally but she can likely give you some alternate places to work. I can suggest two: I got caught one day when I had gone all the way downtown and the GDAH was closed for some reason so I went up the hill (towards the capitol) got on Peachtree for 3 or 4 blocks and tried the City of Atlanta Library. I considered it a day not totally wasted but most of their stuff I would call "generic"; i. e. histories and texts as opposed to something like specific microfilm of courthouse records. Probably the preferred alternative is the NARA archives in East Point, GA (Atlanta suburb out by the airport, you may drive right by it coming in from the airport). I have been there once and was confused because I hadn't done my homework and just didn't know what to look for. The facilities when I went were no where near as good as the GDAH: take your lunch, limited microfilm readers so get there early (once you are "in possession" I believe the reader is"yours") and you just have the general feeling of being crowded. Parking is free and very close to the building. The place is somewhat concealed although not tough to find with decent directions. For some reason they stuck it in what is now (or would become) almost entirely a residential area. NARA has instructional booklets (with locating maps) that your House representative can get mailed to you. In NARA parlance, I think this one is called their Southeast Branch. Also, I know Craig Scott uses the NARA in DC (or someplace up there) extensively and BPN also used it a lot when they lived in that area. I'll punt to them for giving you pointers on how best to use the place, etc. And if you two do send Patti some pointers, folks, put 'em on the list because I'll be needing them also. Sorry to have bad news, Patti, but I hope an alternative works out. Maynard

Linda, I also checked the Burke site and there is a ton of cemetery information on there. If you have not been, here are the directions: go to: http://www.usgenweb.com/index.html .....click on top "bar" on the left.....select state directories which you can do off a map or a list, select Georgia and go to Burke. I didn't bother to poke about on the thing very long because there is so much. My guess is Mr. Duke's tombstone will be there and easy to find if you know the name of the cemetery. I continue to pursue this Methodist Archives route to finding Francis Poythress' parents....knowing full well it's not an especially logical place to look given that he came to the ministry relatively late in life; however, other than random shots here and there I can't think of any place else. The fact is that he is probably already in this truckload of paper I have. Good luck finding Mr. Duke. Maynard

Thanks so much, Linda, for the info; didn't know about Simpsonwood before, either. Simpsonwood & Epworth-By-The-Sea may have info that will help with one of my non-Poythress ancestors. BPN = = = = Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:54:18 -0500 From: James Smith <[email protected]> Old-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Epworth-By-The-Sea Last evening, I mentioned to ya'll the South Ga. United Methodist Church Conference Center located on St. Simons Island named Epworth-By-The-Sea. There's also a North Ga. UMC Conference Center near Atlanta called Simpsonwood. The state is cut just about in half - Savannah, Macon, & Columbus are just about the northern extreme of the S.Ga. Conf.; Augusta is in the N.Ga. Conf. I'm not certain if Screvin & Burke counties are both in S.Ga. or not; the line zig-zags across the state & I can't locate my book right now - oh, where could it be! I understand both of these centers have a good historical collection and are willing to assist researchers. I've been told many churches have their records stored there, in addition to other wonderful old works. Linda