Barbara, This is in reply to your questions directed to me about David Poythress: BPW, I know that David was your ancestor, so I'll ask you, too: do you have him with any middle initial, and if so what was the source document that included the middle initial? Yes, I found David listed as David E.Poythress in a Mecklenburg Deed dated 12 Jan . 1842. p. 459 and 460 Reel # 0032545. ****************************************************************************** ************** Re the request for a "burial record" of David Poythress: He is buried in Elmwood Cemetery, in Henderson, Vance County, NC, and several of our List members (not including me) have seen his marker there. His marker does not seem to photograph very well due to its age. One List-member, BPW, had gotten the following info from the marker back in 1989: David Poythress, born January 26, 1800, died Sept 26, 1876. (BPW, please correct me if I have any of the parts of those dates wrong here.) Yes, these are the dates on the his marker, but his age is listed as 44 on the 1850 census and 53 on the 1860 census which would make his birth year around 1810. Best, Barbara (BPW)

--part1_18b.684b573.29edf307_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hit the wrong button, so am now forwarding to the List. Someday I will get this all figured out. (I have my doubts though). --part1_18b.684b573.29edf307_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: Denver145 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:42:52 EDT Subject: Re: Poythress-Raiford Bible To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Barbara and Fellow List Members, I am the one with the photocopies of the pages. (Terrible copies) to say the least. I loaned them to Aunt Frankie to transcribe. She is a better typist than I. I will rephotocopy the pages in July when I go to Laurel, MS for a family reunion. I also plan on going through some old papers and things that were my grandfather Carl's and see if I find anything of interest. I hope to be able to send you all a copy of the original pages. I am sure there are some errors with the initials on the pages. The B's G's and S's all look alike. If you compare the names on the letter from Nedra, which list alot of the names on the Bible pages, you can come up with the correct initial. The photocopies were made for me by my cousin, Carlyn Geiger, daughter of Nedra Poythress Geiger, daughter of Carl Hutton Poythress,son of James Speed Poythress and Mattie Raiford, in 1999. The bible was in possession of Nedra in Laurel, MS until she passed away last year and is now in the possession of Carlyn in Laurel, MS. I am almost sure the Bible had been in the possession of my grandfather Carl while he was alive. I will make inquiries to try and find out and I will email my cousin to get dates of the publication and other info you are requesting. If I don't hear back from her, I will get that info myself at the reunion. Elaine --part1_18b.684b573.29edf307_boundary--

Thanks again so much, Elaine, for making your Aunt's computer-script-fonted-translation of the Poythress-Raiford Bible available. I would like to (as soon as I have time to do so) prepare a pure-text-font-email-version of the basic info in that Bible, for those who have trouble receiving large email attachments. I will of course email you a copy of what I prepare, so that you (or your Aunt) can check my text-version against the original, to make sure I have correct info. However, I would like to also include the following information that we all need when we are citing Bible records as a source. Thus, if you could please let us know these following things it would not only help in my preparing said version, but it also would help all of us in properly citing your Aunt's lovely transcription that you so graciously shared with us: - In the case of her holding only photocopies from the original Bible, a lot of the below info may not have been copied, but some of the things listed here can be commented on, such as the last item below. - If photocopies, please indicate at least roughly when your Aunt received the photocopies & from whom, such as "Photocopied by Susie Doe prior to 1952, from the original Bible then in possession of Jeremiah Doe" - the complete title of the particular Bible from the title page, if that is available - the version of the Bible, which is probably included in the complete title ("King James Version" etc) - the name of the publisher & the city of publication (or a statement that this is not in the photocopies, or in the Bible, if it isn't. NOTE that sometimes this info is found on the beginning page for the New Testament or in tiny print at the bottom of the first of the Family pages, rather than in the front of the volume) - the year of publication (or a statement that this info is not in the photocopies, or in the Bible, if it isn't. Again, this info may be found on the beginning page of the New Testament, or on the Family pages) - the name(s) of the original owner of the Bible, if known - any inscription(s) of the original owner's name (such as: The inside front cover is inscribed "Purchased by Hezekiah Smith for $10.00 from a Bible salesman, 3 January 1832") - the name & at least the city & state (if not complete address) of the current holder of the photocopies or of the Bible, as of some certain date (such as "Owned in April 2002 by John Doe, 1234 Oak Street, Anytown, California 99999") - the trail of all those who have possessed the Bible/photocopies, if known, such as "The Smith Family Bible was passed down from Hezekiah Smith to his daughter Mary (Smith) Doe, to her son John Doe" OR "This photocopy of family information from the Smith Family Bible was passed down from Jane (Smith) Adams to her daughter Mary (Adams) Brown." - any statement about the current condition of the photocopies/original, such as "In April 2002 pages are darkened and are too fragile to allow handling" - any statement possible about the appearance of the entries themselves, describing whether all of them appear to have been recorded in the handwriting of one person versus more than one person, and whether the inks varied (indicating that they were recorded at different times). And certainly if you &/or your Aunt recognize the handwriting of some/all of the entries as appearing to be in the handwriting of some particular person, that could also be noted, such as "appears to be in the handwriting of Jane (Smith) Doe" Thanks so much, Elaine, for any further help you can give with this info. BPN

Thanks to all of you for the copies of documents and pics. The reason I referred to David P. and David E. Poythress is because , I saw him listed that way on other emails that were submitted to the Poythress List, thus thought some of you had seen him as David E. on a/some documents. I have never seen any actual document that had him listed as David E. If any have documents with him listed as David E.Poythress, I would like copies of them or like to know in what records he is listed as David E. Poythress. Elaine

Barbara, I guess I'd be inclined to say this one is a "for sure." We "know" Thomas was the father of George through numerous documents. And then we "know" that George (dying in FL) is the brother of Lewis via the explicit relationship cited in George's will. True, it is possible that Lewis could have had "another" Thomas as his father but I'd think that one fairly unlikely the way the ages lined up. However, Georgia Ellison makes the point that those folks clung to that name Thomas as if it were a life jacket. Same for Francis and John. Aaaargh. Who knows? I'm sending Elaine a copy of my Thomas time line and if anyone else sniffing down this trail thinks it would help just ask and I'll shoot you a copy too. And Barbara (IMPORTANT) thanks again for the admonishment to all to keep these "conversations" on the LIST SERVER even if one is asking a specific question and even if it's directed to a specific individual. I'm as guilty as any and the net result is that someone new comes along with a constructive addition after several private e-mails are swapped.....thus either missing the question entirely or having to be brought up to speed. A big Mea Culpa for all.....go and sin no more <g>. Maynard

I'm putting this to the whole List, because there are other people interested in these questions & others on the List who may have info about some of these particular questions Elaine was asking about. We all benefit by sharing our pooled knowledge on such questions as these. (Below my message, is a copy of the pertinent content from the messages that began this discussion, which were sent off-List to several of us from our recently-welcomed new List-member Elaine Criddle, [email protected]) Thanks for the clarification, Elaine, on what all you were requesting. We're plenty patient & just appreciate having new Poythress researching-cousins join us -- We all keep learning how to ask better questions & how to get better specific detail in this researching process. I don't think I have *any* source records on the Thomas Poythress who went to Burke Co, GA. Maynard is our person most familiar with him. I also do not even recall that we had any source records that authoritatively proved (whether by circumstantial evidence or something more direct) that the Thomas Poythress who moved to Burke County *was* for sure the father of Lewis Poythress, but I would sure would welcome becoming convinced & learning about any such proof of that, too, if I've missed something in that regard. I do not recall having seen any middle initial ("E" or otherwise) before for David Poythress, father of James Speed Poythress; what was the source for the middle initial? BPW, I know that David was your ancestor, so I'll ask you, too: do you have him with any middle initial, and if so what was the source document that included the middle initial? If no one has a scanned copy available of the Warren County, NC, January1877 "Application for Letters of Administration of the estate of David Poythress," I can snail-mail to Elaine a photocopy of the photocopy I was sent back in 1998 by Jim Richardson of Richmond. (It does not show any middle initial for David, by the way.) Re the request for a "burial record" of David Poythress: He is buried in Elmwood Cemetery, in Henderson, Vance County, NC, and several of our List members (not including me) have seen his marker there. His marker does not seem to photograph very well due to its age. One List-member, BPW, had gotten the following info from the marker back in 1989: David Poythress, born January 26, 1800, died Sept 26, 1876. (BPW, please correct me if I have any of the parts of those dates wrong here.) Another List-member, Lyn (Lyn Poythress Baird), had gotten a photocopy back in 1997 or maybe earlier of a handwritten card from Elmwood Cemetery's records. I can send a photocopy of it to Elaine if Lyn isn't online these days & able to send a scanned copy of it. If Lyn had found any other records when he visited the cemetery, I'm sure he would've mentioned it. This card does not show the name of the cemetery, and indeed doesn't show very much helpful info, since the cemetery apparently didn't put dates on their cards until the middle of the 1900s, but at least it identifies the names of the people buried in the cemetery's lot #142. The card, in its entirety, shows the following 8 lines handwritten on it: - 142 Poythress - India Poythress - David Poythress - Chas Poythress - 1-- No Marker-- - Mrs. R.L. Mustian 11-15-46 [this would be 1946] - Robert Lee [at least I think the faint middle name showing is "Lee"] Mustian 5-30-69 [this would be 1969] - Jane Mustian 11-7-85 [this would be 1985] Thanks so much, Judy, for scanning copies of the funeral records that Elaine wanted for James Speed Poythress & his wife Mattie Raiford Poythress & the wedding invitations for JSP's sons she wanted; since I don't have a scanner I particularly appreciate you doing that. If you could please email me, too, scanned copies of each of those items (attached to separate email messages, so the "per message" size doesn't get so huge) I sure would greatly appreciate it. Having such treasures electronically can be a great benefit. (Elaine, these funeral records are the same ones that I had said I would photocopy & mail to you, so it looks like there is now no need for me to do that.) I hope others of our Listers will add any pertinent info they may have re these matters. Cheers, Barbara (BPN) = = = = Following is most of the content from the pertinent messages that began this discussion, which were sent off-List to several of us from: Elaine Criddle ([email protected]) Re message from Elaine (of David Poythress line) re Checking and Favor Original message read, in part: I would appreciate photocopies of these if you have them. 1. Estate records and/or Letter of Administration of Thomas James P. 2. Estate records and/or Letter of Administration of David E. P. 3. Burial Records of David E. P. 4. Wedding invitation of James Speed P. son, found in Twisdale belongings. 5. Funeral and/or Burial record of James Speed P. and Mattie Raiford P. If you have any of these, please let me know, and I will give you my Address. I will gladly pay for the copies and postage. Then the further-clarifying message read, in part: >The David E. Poythress I was referring to is David E. of NC, originally from Mecklenberg, VA. He was father of James Speed Poythress. >Thomas James Poythress is the father of Lewis Poythress. Thomas James moved to Burke Co., GA, he came from Mecklenberg, VA. He was the Sheriff of Burke County, GA for a short time. >I was asking if anyone had copies of the Letter of Administration on the estate of David E. Poythress, which names James Speed Poythress, as his son. >I was asking if anyone had copies of a Will or Letter of Administration on the estate of Lewis Poythress, son of Thomas James Poythress, who remained in Virginia. >Ditto above, except on the estate of Thomas James Poythress. >Ditto above, except on the estate of James Speed Poythress. Also, the wedding invitations of the sons of James Speed Poythress, found in the possession of Indiana Twisdale Poythress and the funeral record of James Speed Poythress which list David Poythress as his father. >Hope this clears up my email of yesterday. I need to get use to giving more specific detail. Be patient, I will get better. >I thank you for any photocopies you can send me. Please let me know what I owe you. >Have a GREAT day. > Elaine

Could someone tell me if Thomas M. Poythress also had a son named Richard Poythress who married Rosa A. Benton? Thanks, Elaine

I'm replying to the discussion regarding Thomas James Poythress. I have been asked before if I have proof for this name. I do not have proof. I am a researcher for the Dixon and Ellison families in Burke County, GA. I think it is of interest that Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress, daughter of Thomas James (?) Poythress, named a son Thomas James. Another of MEA"s sons, William, named a son, Thomas James, and a daughter, Amanda. Thomas James Dixon named a daughter, Martha. For what it's worth, just thought I would bring up that Thomas James was a name that stayed in the family.

Elaine, I only got the first page and would appreciate the following pages. In your list of 5 papers related to individuals, all of them seem to be the "Alabama" line. However, you show as # 1 "Thomas James P". My question is: is this an Alabama guy or is this the Thomas Poythress who went from Burke Co., GA from Brunswick Co., VA bringing with him sons (one from Mecklenburg) and probably a nephew. A Martha Dixon who visits the site from time to time cites him (the Burke County guy) as Thomas James Poythress but she is the only one I have known to do so. This fellow would have been born about 1740 and died 1800 while in office as Sheriff of Burke County GA. I guess the question is whether the one to whom you refer is the Burke County guy or does the Alabama line actually have a Thomas James Poythress who is unquestionably carrying a middle name of James? There is no evidence to even suggest that T. P. of Brunswick Co, VA ever left Burke County, GA once he got there. Best, Maynard

Elaine, Yes, thanks - your message with the attached transcription arrived when I went online sending out my message asking for it. Sorry that I had not checked for more recent messages before trying to respond to your earlier email saying that the transcription was "almost done." (Still catching up with accumulated email...) Thanks so much. Barbara = = = = I sent them attached to an email. Did you receive it. If it didn't work, I will mail them to you. Let me know.

I'd love to get copies of the transcribed pages -- Thanks so much for the offer! (Sorry for the delay in this response, but have been out of town & have lots to catch up on.) Does our List-Meister or our guru, or anyone else, know how to correct the misspelling and get rid of the extra "o" before the "L" in "Geneaology" as it appears in the Mailing List's trailer-message which appears just below Elaine's name, in the below copy of her message? Thanks, BPN = = = = = From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:01:44 EDT Subject: Poythress/Raiford Bible To: [email protected] We are almost finished transcribing the Poythress/Raiford Bible pages. I was unable to get legible copies from the terrible copies I have. I will get better copies when I go to the reunion in July. If you would like copies of the transcribed pages let me know or if I can download them into my computer and attach to an email for the Poythress -L list let me know if that would work also. I am still learning about our Website. Elaine ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Geneaology Research Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

We are almost finished transcribing the Poythress/Raiford Bible pages. I was unable to get legible copies from the terrible copies I have. I will get better copies when I go to the reunion in July. If you would like copies of the transcribed pages let me know or if I can download them into my computer and attach to an email for the Poythress -L list let me know if that would work also. I am still learning about our Website. Elaine

Hello to all. I have been busy checking all the Research and Information on the Poythress Genealogy site. Wow!!! You fellow Researchers have been busy the past few years. I am going to have to buy stock in the printer paper industry. Thanks to all of you who came before me. It helps us Newcomers, have an easier time, connecting the dots. I would appreciate it, if some of you who have been doing this for awhile, would check the direction I am going. 1. Thomas James Poythress (assorted court and estate records linking him as father of ): 2. Lewis Poythress - m. Elizabeth (Patsey) Giles (assorted court, estate, and Rosehill Cemetery burial records siting DOB of David, thus linking these as parents of): 3. David E. Poythress- m. Mary Speed Dortch (assorted court, and Letters of Administration of the estate of David, linking him as father of): 4. James Speed Poythress-m. Martha Grice Raiford (wedding invitation of JSP's son, funeral record of JSP, further linking him as son of David) Am I close? Your expert opinion and reasoning will be appreciated. Also, if any of you have actual copies of any wills, estate records, wedding invitations and burial/funeral records, of the above mentioned, I would forever be indebted if you would send me copies. If you do have any of these records please let me know and I will give you my Snail Mail Address. I will gladly pay for your time, postage and copies. Elaine Criddle

Elaine, it worked fine this time. Sending response messages to the whole list works best, so all can follow the thread of the discussion. Thanks for the info. Hope all our Listers have had a good Easter - BPN

Thanks for your tip Barbara. It will take me some time to learn how all this works. H Hopefully this will work. In the Poythress/ Raiford Bible it is listed as Carlos Hutton Poythress. I don't think he went by anything other than Carl. In my baby book Family Tree it is listed that my Great Granddad James Speed Poythress was born in Petersburg. I don't who told my Mom that. It might have something in the Bible Pages or my Grandparents could have told her that. Elaine

In the interest of the Georgia Poythresses looking for something in Mecklenburg County, VA, to connect you back to Francis, I did word search of my FTM database, and came up with the following people who had a Mecklenburg Connection: Thomas Poythress Atkinson Edward Jones Archibald Algernon Campbell James Murray Sarah Bolling Tazewell Grief Green John C. Knox Theoderick Bland Ruffin Susan Murray Not all these folks are that closely connected to the main family, but perhaps one of them will strike a chord or get you looking at your families:) My current strategy to find some of my missing Virginians is to analyze all the children's names and see if any don't seem to be in the known families, and then search the web and library for similar names. And when I find them, I work back to see if a case can be made for why they might be related. Location is of course a big factor. My database, based on the index cards of R. Bolling Batte, is located at WORLDCONNECT http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1 or if you prefer to access it from ANCESTRY.COM http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=poythressp1 Diana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/

Welcome aboard, Elaine. I know we have several of your cousins within the James Speed Poythress descendancy line on our List & hope each of them will contact you. I am curious to see that you listed your grandfather as "Carlos" rather than as "Carl" as I had always seen his name before. Is that based on his name in some particular record(s), or is it more a matter of what name he went by (while having a different name in records)? I am also curious to see that you mentioned James Speed Poythress was born "around Petersburg, Virginia." I would be curious to hear how you knew of that birth location, because that is the same way the place of birth was described in one record for my great-grandfather's sister -- she & all her siblings & their parents (James E. Poythress & his wife, Catherine Speed Preston) all moved to Sumter County, AL in 1853 from Mecklenburg County, VA. (And someone had once said that they thought James E. P's nephew, James Speed Poythress, made that move with the family, though I've not found any proof of that). On the JEP family record, their births were shown as Mecklenburg Co, Va. Again, welcome - Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN) = = = = = From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:54:10 EST Subject: Hello To: [email protected] . . . As I was saying I am Patricia (Elaine) Poythress Criddle. My father is David Franklin Poythress born in Meridian Mississippi, Grandfather was Carlos Hutton Poythress born in Sumterville, Alabama and My Great Grandfather was James Speed Poythress born around Petersburg, Virginia. I am looking forward to hearing from descendants of this line and exploring our family history. Sincerely, Elaine Criddle

My computer has a ghost I think. Don't ask me what just happened. As I was saying I am Patricia (Elaine) Poythress Criddle. My father is David Franklin Poythress born in Meridian Mississippi, Grandfather was Carlos Hutton Poythress born in Sumterville, Alabama and My Great Grandfather was James Speed Poythress born around Petersburg, Virginia. I am looking forward to hearing from descendants of this line and exploring our family history. Sincerely, Elaine Criddle

My name is Patricia (Elaine) Poythress Criddle. My father is David Franklin Poythress born Meridian MS. My Grandfather was Carlos Hutton Poythress born

See http://web.utk.edu/~garywynn/Stuff2/Wynneage.html Diana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/