TO ALL: Ya'll seem to be a very knowlegeable group. I have followed your posts with interest. I am going to explore your thinking a little bit larger. First of all ,I think I am related in some way or ways,Perhapsa you can steer me in the right direction. Let me start with John Baird and Margaret Rookings.John b.ca.1675 d. prior to 15 Sept 1738. md. argaretbca. 1700,lived at Jamestown, James city Co. Va.until ca 1717 when he moved to Chippokes Creek in Prince Geeorge Co. Va.He was a Miller and a Millwright,building dams ,Mills etc.and a gentleman of some substance.He had a son Rook that also built mills etc. His son Benjamin b.ca 1720 md. Sarah Batte Jones, dau. of John Jones.He was also a mill man and a man of some substance.He had a dau. Sarah that md into the wealthy and powerful Speed family. b. ca 1744 md. ca 1766 to john speed Jr. He also had sons John Batte Baird b. ca 1746 md. Jenny Jennings. john Batte had a brother named Alexander Baird who md. Jenny's sister Elizabeth. Now---I believe the Speeds and Poythress's intermarried,and probably the Bairds. Now---Going out on a limb,My Gt. Gd. father is Samuel Baird b. 22 Sept. 1801,his father is Alexander son of John Batte Baird. Now--- I have also noticed there were Blands, Smiths etc. also living near these people, Some later moved to Mechlenberg,and Lunenburg counties then on to North Carolina, S.C and Tn. Back to my samuel, His wife was Matilda Rutledge, Matilda's father was Richard Rutledge and he md. Winifred Patience Elizabeth Bland Smith Dau. of Abner Smith they were md 1774 S.C. and she d. 26 June 1837 at hanging Rock South Carolina.Now--- If you havn't already cut the limb off, I would be most pleased if all who would care to guess, speculate with me or know how any of these pieces of the puzzle fit, I would love to hear from you. Thanks in advance Fred [email protected] 801-373-2150. On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:17:53 EDT [email protected] writes: > I do not understand what happen the first time I tryed to send this > to the > list. > > > Elaine, > > I too am a lad of mississippi and yesterday if I had > only knew > you would meantion Col Theodorick Bland b 1740, I could have cleared > up (I > think ) the Poythress word for you. His uncle Col Richard Bland b > 1710 was > married to Anne Poythress. Richard was a member of the first > congress of > America. Both Richard and Theodorick were my cousins, > > Col Bland in his will which I am encloseing for you is safe, > microsoft word. In this will you will see gave to; Col Robert > Bolling of > Petersburg, Benjamin Harrison of Brandon, Peter Epes, Inman Baker, > St. > George Tucker, and Dr. Issac Hall and Griffin Peachy, 2 acres of > land. > William & Mary College I think is the purpose in mind of this? You > read the > will and see what you think. > > If you will note John Randolph almost at the bottom of > the page, > was his nephew, Cpl Bland's > sister, Frances Bland born 1752, the mother of John Randolph. Col > Bland and > his sister Frances Bland were the children of Theodorick Bland born > 1719, > and Francis Bolling. The Richard Bland I spoke of he and his wife > Anne had > a son born 1730, named Richard, he Married Mary Bolling, > ggggranddaughter to > Pocahontas, Mary b 1744 was the daughter of John Bolling Jr . The > Poythress's are many and in this line there are a great amount of > them. > > Elaine , I will enclose eone more attachment,( Thomas Bennett B > 1570), was > the grandfather to both Richard Bland and Theodorick, the reason > why I have > all of this and a lot more is this (Thomas was my Grandfather > also.) > > I also have many Poythress individuals in my > files. > I'm not trying to be show be a show off, these are my people, some > make > crude remarks but being an ex-master parachutist for our uncle, I can > take > it. If you don't need this information, just delete . Richard > Bennett b > 1608, the son of Thomas is the cause of all these Blands and being > here as > his daughter Anne Bennett married Theodorick Bland Sr, b 1626 in > england. > Their son Richard Bland b 1665 and Frances Randolph were the parents > of some > famous children. I have them all. > > Sincerely, Ted Utica, Ms > [email protected] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:11 PM > Subject: Fwd: I need an Interpreter (Please) Oops!! > > > > > > --part1_94.271af288.2a29874c_boundary > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Geneaology Research Web > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/ > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I do not understand what happen the first time I tryed to send this to the list. Elaine, I too am a lad of mississippi and yesterday if I had only knew you would meantion Col Theodorick Bland b 1740, I could have cleared up (I think ) the Poythress word for you. His uncle Col Richard Bland b 1710 was married to Anne Poythress. Richard was a member of the first congress of America. Both Richard and Theodorick were my cousins, Col Bland in his will which I am encloseing for you is safe, microsoft word. In this will you will see gave to; Col Robert Bolling of Petersburg, Benjamin Harrison of Brandon, Peter Epes, Inman Baker, St. George Tucker, and Dr. Issac Hall and Griffin Peachy, 2 acres of land. William & Mary College I think is the purpose in mind of this? You read the will and see what you think. If you will note John Randolph almost at the bottom of the page, was his nephew, Cpl Bland's sister, Frances Bland born 1752, the mother of John Randolph. Col Bland and his sister Frances Bland were the children of Theodorick Bland born 1719, and Francis Bolling. The Richard Bland I spoke of he and his wife Anne had a son born 1730, named Richard, he Married Mary Bolling, ggggranddaughter to Pocahontas, Mary b 1744 was the daughter of John Bolling Jr . The Poythress's are many and in this line there are a great amount of them. Elaine , I will enclose eone more attachment,( Thomas Bennett B 1570), was the grandfather to both Richard Bland and Theodorick, the reason why I have all of this and a lot more is this (Thomas was my Grandfather also.) I also have many Poythress individuals in my files. I'm not trying to be show be a show off, these are my people, some make crude remarks but being an ex-master parachutist for our uncle, I can take it. If you don't need this information, just delete . Richard Bennett b 1608, the son of Thomas is the cause of all these Blands and being here as his daughter Anne Bennett married Theodorick Bland Sr, b 1626 in england. Their son Richard Bland b 1665 and Frances Randolph were the parents of some famous children. I have them all. Sincerely, Ted Utica, Ms [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:11 PM Subject: Fwd: I need an Interpreter (Please) Oops!! > > --part1_94.271af288.2a29874c_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thank you so much. I was raised in Jackson MS and have been in Denver, CO for 25 years. My fathers line comes from Laurel MS, via Meridian MS, via Sumter AL, via Mecklenberg VA, probably via England, still have a dot to connect first. My maiden name is Poythress. I am coming to MS in July for a family reunion. The heat and humidity are going to KILL me, but I am looking forward to my visit. The South is so beautiful. I miss the gorgeous flowers and of coarse the food. Look out Krystal Hamburgar's and boiled peanuts, here I come. Have you browsed the archives at [email protected] Everything they have found on the Poythress' is posted in the archives, and if you see that you have additional Poythress information that is not in the archives, we would all be thankful, if you would post it on our website. Sincerely, Elaine

From A TO ZAX - A COMPREHENSIVE DICTIONARY FOR GENEALOGISTS & HISTORIANS one finds: Ejectment: a suit brought into court by a property owner to recover the use of property for either failing to pay rent or for misusing the property Best regards, Lyn P. Baird [email protected] On Fri, 31 May 2002 23:57:02 EDT [email protected] writes: > Elaine...."in form paupens status" (Latin) means that a poor person > is > relieved of the fees and costs of a legal action because of > inability to pay. > "Ejectmts agt Col. Bland" would be (I suppose) ejectments against > Col. Bland > but until it's seen in context one doesn't know what the > "ejectments" are, > or, for that matter, much of anything about the matter. > > Best, > > Maynard ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Elaine...."in form paupens status" (Latin) means that a poor person is relieved of the fees and costs of a legal action because of inability to pay. "Ejectmts agt Col. Bland" would be (I suppose) ejectments against Col. Bland but until it's seen in context one doesn't know what the "ejectments" are, or, for that matter, much of anything about the matter. Only "William & Mary" is not a citation one can do much with. Most of this stuff came out of Wm & Mary but until 1935 it was called "Va. Historical Mag." and after 1935 it's called "Wm & Mary Quarterly." I found the years 1899-1900 in vol. 7 (VA Historical Mag.) and nothing of the diary you mention (which is not to say it's not there.....Mr Swem (later) could have missed the short Poythress reference. I would suggest that picking random bits and pieces out of any of these publications is only going to be confusing and that there is a way to sequentially and logically follow all of this early Va. published material and simultaneously get yourself into a lot of marvelous 8 and 10 page "studies" of various Poythress individuals that were printed in these various Va. publications beginning many years ago. The librarian at Wm & Mary for many, many years was a man named Gregg Swem (now deceased) who complied what is commonly referred to in the genealogy biz as "the Swem Index". It can be found in virtually any major library with a decent genealogy section. And, as I hope you have found, a major library with a genealogy section usually means that there will be a decent amount of Virginia material (as the saying goes: in the beginning Virginia was all there was). What Mr. Swem did was to take all of the major "journals" (VA. Mag. of History, Wm & Mary Quarterly, Henings Statutes of Va., etc. etc. and "name index" the entire shooting match by SURNAME. Page 486 of his index contains easily a couple of hundred Poythresses coded by given name, code for the name of the publication, vol. #, and page number. If you get a copy of Mr. Swem's book and read the intro it will all come pretty clear. And it's quite likely that all of the series' which Mr. Swem quotes will be in a library with a genealogy section. One then takes the index, finds the appropriate vol. and pages cited and just photocopies the articles and references. It should take a few days of library work at the end of which time you'll have just about every "scholarly" article or referance to Poythress (and maybe there are some not so scholarly). You'll have about 300 priceless pages when you are done. I'm sorry to answer a short question with such a windy answer but that's the story. Best, Maynard

--part1_94.271af288.2a29874c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess it would help if I quoted what the diary said. "One Poythress, of Pri. Geo., is admitted to bring ejectmts agt Col. Bland, and 5 more, in forma pauperis." Thanks again, Elaine --part1_94.271af288.2a29874c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: Denver145 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:56:33 EDT Subject: I need an Interpreter (Please) To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 I ran across transcript of Diary of John Blair (1) from William and Mary College Vol.8, No. 1. (July., 1899), pp. 1-17. A Poythress is mentioned, and I do not understand, what is being said. Could someone familiar with (Old English) please interpret for me. I am only fluent in Mississippi Southern Drawl. Thanks, Elaine --part1_94.271af288.2a29874c_boundary--

I ran across transcript of Diary of John Blair (1) from William and Mary College Vol.8, No. 1. (July., 1899), pp. 1-17. A Poythress is mentioned, and I do not understand, what is being said. Could someone familiar with (Old English) please interpret for me. I am only fluent in Mississippi Southern Drawl. Thanks, Elaine

--part1_57.bd2057e.2a1d9298_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry I didn't make myself clear. I was referring to Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress of Brunswick, VA. Elaine --part1_57.bd2057e.2a1d9298_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-xc05.mx.aol.com (rly-xc05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.138]) by air-xc05.mail.aol.com (v86.11) with ESMTP id MAILINXC54-0522161726; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:17:26 -0400 Received: from voproutemail.thevine.net (voproutemail.thevine.net [204.250.113.2]) by rly-xc05.mx.aol.com (v86.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC510-0522161719; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:17:19 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (unverified [204.250.113.226]) by voproutemail.thevine.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.193) with SMTP id <[email protected]> for <[email protected]>; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: "Koscheski" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Request of the Pros ( Thomas James Poythress) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:14:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This patsy different from Martha who is Mattie and wife of James Speed P of Meridian MS ? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Request of the Pros ( Thomas James Poythress) > Ok you two. It all makes sense, but it can drive ya crazy, when you know > there is a dot somewhere and you may never connect it. I am one who has > always wanted the ducks in a row and if one gets out of line I want to > physically straighten him up. I think maybe I should have never started this > project because so these ducks just do not want to behave. (I guess I will > have to get use to disorder). My family would not believe I just said that. > I have driven them crazy for 25 years , with my everything in its place > syndrome. > > I do have a question regarding Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress for anyone who > would like to bite. Has anyone ever researched surname Meredith? The reason > I ask is, assuming Meredith is" possibly" a son of Martha Patsy Unknown, and > the name Meredith not showing up in any other line, except Meredith Sr. and > Jr. (we have oodles of James, Edwards, Thomas and so on), could it be > possible that her father was a Meredith? A first born often got the surname > of a Mother's father, as in the case of Cleaton Poythress who got surname > Cleaton, as his first name. It is just a thought (still trying to get those > ducks in a row, Ah! will I ever be able to get use to the clutter!!!!) > > Elaine > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Geneaology Research Web > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/ > --part1_57.bd2057e.2a1d9298_boundary--

Elaine, you bring up an interesting possibility that I had not considered. One branch of the Meredith family was somewhat prominent in southwestern Brunswick County, Virginia, in the latter 19th century and early 20th (perhaps before, I do not know). The ancestral home is on Evans Creek Road, perhaps a couple of miles north of US58 / Governor Harrison Parkway, and just north of Evans Creek. A great-grandfather of mine recalled working as a farm hand there about 1880. I just don't know anything about the earlier Merediths. Best regards, Lyn P. Baird [email protected] On Tue, 21 May 2002 11:03:22 EDT [email protected] writes: > I do have a question regarding Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress for > anyone who > would like to bite. Has anyone ever researched surname Meredith? > The reason > I ask is, assuming Meredith is" possibly" a son of Martha Patsy > Unknown, and > the name Meredith not showing up in any other line, except Meredith > Sr. and > Jr. (we have oodles of James, Edwards, Thomas and so on), could it > be > possible that her father was a Meredith? > Elaine ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Not to be confused with Atlanta Genealogist Leon Hollingsworth, Dixon Hollingsworth and his father before him were editors of the local Sylvania (Screven County) newspaper. Dixon Hollingsworth was an outstanding area historian but correctly modest in his genealogical claims. Over a number of years, Dixon Hollingsworth and his father before him collected mostly newspaper scraps and either typed or pasted them on 3 x 5 index cards. He amassed some 15M cards, fortunately all arranged alphabetically by surname. A couple of years ago I spent a some time in the Screven County Library (now the Screven-Jenkins Regional Library System) and recorded all the information which contained Poythresses and any related families that I had even heard of. At any rate, the full and original accumulation is now digitalized on the Screven-Jenkins Regional Library System site. (http://www.sjrls.public.lib.ga.us/). It is supposed to be easily searchable since it is all indexed alphabetically. I curiously noted that I had listed more Poythresses and related surnames than the site had; probably a function of me working more or less competently with the cards themselves and incompetently searching the digitalized index. If you have an interest in Screven County, you can either searce the site above or I will be happy to send you a copy of my Hollingsworth transcription document for all Poythesses and related surnames in this Hollingsworth collection. AOL will zip it as it is quite lengthy. Maynard

Fresh eyes always help. I went to Google and gave it Meredith in Mecklenburg County, VA. There are a blue million of them. I poked about in the first 10 pages, you might want to do the same. Couple of points...1) a lot of them are contemporary 2) when scanning be sure it's Mecklenburg Co, VA and not NC (Charlotte). I'll do some more work on it but that's an interesting line of thought you had. Best, Maynard

In a message dated 5/21/2002 11:05:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I do have a question regarding Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress for anyone who > would like to bite. Has anyone ever researched surname Meredith? The > reason > I ask is, assuming Meredith is" possibly" a son of Martha Patsy Unknown, > and > the name Meredith not showing up in any other line, except Meredith Sr. > and > Jr. (we have oodles of James, Edwards, Thomas and so on), could it be > possible that her father was a Meredith? A first born often got the > surname > of a Mother's father, as in the case of Cleaton Poythress who got surname > Cleaton, as his first name. It is just a thought (still trying to get > those > ducks in a row, Ah! will I ever be able to get use to the clutter!!!!) > Elaine > > Elaine......you have touched on a question often pondered but never > answered successfully. There was indeed a surname Meredith guy bumping > around Mecklenburg County a generation or two prior to the birth/naming of > Meredith Poythress. Every time I have seen that as a surname I have > pursued it briefly, or at least to the point that I didn't see anything > there worth pursuing. There are no censuses, no church records that I have > seen, just no nothing on surname Meredith. Name appears on a tax record or > two but none of that shows him as wealthy or successful or even having a > child. Don't forget, however, that "family" naming wasn't the only common method; there was a lot of "favor currying" by naming a child after a celebrity (local or otherwise). And I have never found anything overtly outstanding about Samson Meredith (which was the guy's name) that involved either fame or fortune.. It's just been a dead end for me. Maynard

Ok you two. It all makes sense, but it can drive ya crazy, when you know there is a dot somewhere and you may never connect it. I am one who has always wanted the ducks in a row and if one gets out of line I want to physically straighten him up. I think maybe I should have never started this project because so these ducks just do not want to behave. (I guess I will have to get use to disorder). My family would not believe I just said that. I have driven them crazy for 25 years , with my everything in its place syndrome. I do have a question regarding Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress for anyone who would like to bite. Has anyone ever researched surname Meredith? The reason I ask is, assuming Meredith is" possibly" a son of Martha Patsy Unknown, and the name Meredith not showing up in any other line, except Meredith Sr. and Jr. (we have oodles of James, Edwards, Thomas and so on), could it be possible that her father was a Meredith? A first born often got the surname of a Mother's father, as in the case of Cleaton Poythress who got surname Cleaton, as his first name. It is just a thought (still trying to get those ducks in a row, Ah! will I ever be able to get use to the clutter!!!!) Elaine

Elaine, I couldn't have said it better than Lyn. Lyn's "evidence requirements" are even tougher than mine. I'm inclined to accept "James" as Thomas Poythress' middle name based on heavy circumstantial evidence presented by Georgia Ellison plus the drum roll coming from other quarters. Lyn makes an excellent point that we have been unable to develop and will likely not ever develop.......along about 1785-90, the "Thomas" activities. "Thomas" seems to be making so many trips between VA and GA that the events stand a decent chance of being those of both Thomas Sr. and Thomas Jr. Thomas, Jr. seems to be a murky character who appears briefly a few times and then falls off the radar screen. The father-son relationship of Thomas-George has not been found chiseled in stone. However, I'd be inclined to accept Thomas-George even before I would accept a challenge that Meredith, Sr. was not the "son" of THIS PARTICULAR Thomas......and I make that only about a 10% chance of being "wrong." Elaine, you will discover that when you want something that is a) organized and b) ready to take to the bank.......Lyn is your guy. Thanks for bailing me out on this one, Lyn. Maynard

Elaine, see my comments in brackets. Under separate cover I will send you the Thomas Poythress timeline prepared by Maynard and modified slightly by me to clarify the Georgia v. Virginia activities. This timeline contains most if not all the "hard evidence" on Thomas. The rest is...well, see my comments below. -Lyn ========================== Thomas James [NO SOURCES OF THIS MIDDLE NAME HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THIS LIST. UNTIL SOMEONE COMES FORWARD WITH A SOURCE, I SUGGEST WE REGARD IT AS LORE AND AVOID USING IT.] Poythress b. abt 1740 Dinwiddie, VA [DITTO ON DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH - NO SOURCE, TREAT AS LORE.] - d. 1800 Burke Co., GA Thomas settled in the area of Brunswick Co. VA. Thomas married Martha (Patsy) unknown. b. abt 1745 [NO SOURCE ON AGE OF MARTHA, TREAT AS LORE.] Their children: 1. Meredith b. abt 1760 VA 2. George b. abt 1765 [NO SOURCE HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE LIST DEFINING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GEORGE AND THOMAS SR.] 3. Thomas Jr. b. abt. 1767 [NO SOURCE HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE LIST DEFINING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOMAS JR. AND THOMAS SR.] 4. Edward b. abt. 1769 [NO SOURCE HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE LIST DEFINING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EDWARD AND THOMAS SR.] 5. Lewis b. abt. 1771 [LEWIS IS THE BROTHER OF GEORGE. SO AS GEORGE GOES, LEWIS GOES, WITH RESPECT TO THOMAS. AS A PERSON WHO HAS RESEARCHED LEWIS EXTENSIVELY, I HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF 1771 AS A BIRTH YEAR FOR LEWIS.] Thomas and Martha along with all the children except Lewis moved to Burke Co, GA in about 1786. [FROM THE MARVELOUS TIMELINE OF THOMAS PREPARED BY OUR LIST MEMBER, MAYNARD POYTHRESS, WE FIND THE EARLIEST EVIDENCE OF THOMAS IN BURKE COUNTY, GA, IN 1788 AND THE LATEST EVIDENCE OF THOMAS IN BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VA, IN 1797. WHEN HE ACTUALLY RELOCATED, WE DO NOT KNOW. THIS IS FURTHER CONFUSED BY THE EXISTENCE OF A THOMAS SR AND A THOMAS JR., BOTH EVIDENCED IN VIRGINIA IN 1781. SO IT IS POSSIBLE ONE IS IN VIRGINIA WHILE THE OTHER IS IN GEORGIA.] Thomas became Sheriff of Burke Co. GA in Oct. 1799. He died in office in 1800. Thomas had a brother [TREAT THIS RELATIONSHIP AS LORE; NO SOURCE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE LIST.] William Poythress b. abt. 1745 [TREAT AS LORE.], who went to Burke Co with Thomas. The parents of Thomas have not been proven at this time. [TRUE; AND A GREAT PART OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN CLAIMED ABOUT THOMAS AS WELL. I THINK SOME OF THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS THE PRODUCT OF AN ACTIVE IMAGINATION. :-) ] On Sun, 19 May 2002 23:54:22 EDT [email protected] writes: > Here is the first in the series of what I think I have learned about > my > Poythress Line. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. > > Thomas James Poythress b. abt 1740 Dinwiddie, VA - d. 1800 Burke > Co., GA > Thomas settled in the area of Brunswick Co. VA. > > Thomas married Martha (Patsy) unknown. b. abt 1745 > > Their children: 1. Meredith b. abt 1760 VA 2. George b. abt 1765 > 3. > Thomas Jr. > b. abt. 1767 4. Edward b. abt. 1769 5. Lewis b. abt. 1771 > > Thomas and Martha along with all the children except Lewis moved to > Burke Co, > GA in about 1786. > Thomas became Sheriff of Burke Co. GA in Oct. 1799. He died in > office in > 1800. > > Thomas had a brother William Poythress b. abt. 1745, who went to > Burke Co > with Thomas. > > The parents of Thomas have not been proven at this time. > > Questions? > > The dates of birth of children are estimated from cencus records. > I think > the messages on the L-list, on Thomas and Martha's DOB, would be > from > estimated guess. I have not seen them on any census or any source > listed > for their DOB's. I also have not seen a marriage date for them. Do > any of > you have a marriage date? I also would like to know if their > children were > born in Dinwiddie or Brunswick VA? > > Thanks to you all. > Elaine

Here is the first in the series of what I think I have learned about my Poythress Line. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. Thomas James Poythress b. abt 1740 Dinwiddie, VA - d. 1800 Burke Co., GA Thomas settled in the area of Brunswick Co. VA. Thomas married Martha (Patsy) unknown. b. abt 1745 Their children: 1. Meredith b. abt 1760 VA 2. George b. abt 1765 3. Thomas Jr. b. abt. 1767 4. Edward b. abt. 1769 5. Lewis b. abt. 1771 Thomas and Martha along with all the children except Lewis moved to Burke Co, GA in about 1786. Thomas became Sheriff of Burke Co. GA in Oct. 1799. He died in office in 1800. Thomas had a brother William Poythress b. abt. 1745, who went to Burke Co with Thomas. The parents of Thomas have not been proven at this time. Questions? The dates of birth of children are estimated from cencus records. I think the messages on the L-list, on Thomas and Martha's DOB, would be from estimated guess. I have not seen them on any census or any source listed for their DOB's. I also have not seen a marriage date for them. Do any of you have a marriage date? I also would like to know if their children were born in Dinwiddie or Brunswick VA? Thanks to you all. Elaine 1

--part1_159.e25f2c3.2a19c82f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Via a request from BPN, I am posting this to the L-list after all. Elaine --part1_159.e25f2c3.2a19c82f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: Denver145 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:09:07 EDT Subject: Fwd: Request of the Pros To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_159.e25f2c3.2a16af53_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part2_159.e25f2c3.2a16af53_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part2_159.e25f2c3.2a16af53_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: Denver145 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:47:05 EDT Subject: Request of the Pros To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 I am about to put together a little information on what I have learned, or think I have learned, about our Poythress line to take to the reunion in July. I am going to type a Mini-Bio on the lines Thomas James through James Speed Poythress. Would any of you be willing to look over what I have and correct me where I have errors? I will list at the bottom what I base my dates on and you can counter if you have more reliable information , as I am sure most of you have information that I do not have. I will also state if I do not have a source and you could let me what your source is. I will send one or two Poythress' a day until I have finished the lines. I promise they will be very brief. I do not have a program yet to keep them all straight, so I am doing this the old fashioned way, by reading the archives and then writing by hand, but getting your imput will also help to insure when I do get a program the information I put on it will be correct. I did not post this on the Poythress list because I did not want to bore the browsers with repeated information or information that doesn't pertain to their specific line. If you feel that I should let me know and I will. I really would appreciate your help. Many Thanks, Elaine --part2_159.e25f2c3.2a16af53_boundary-- --part1_159.e25f2c3.2a19c82f_boundary--

A new slant, one that makes some sense, we have a lot of work to do. Should have fitured it was that Eppes bunch and the intermarriages between the 2 families for 150 or so years. Subj: Poythress Date: 5/13/2002 To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Francis Poythress (the immigrant) appears Charles City 1632. Marries Mary________. Children are: 1. Jane m. Thomas Rolfe (generally accepted but not exactly chiseled in stone). 2. John m. Christian Peebles 3. Thomas, unmd. 4. Francis (2) m. Rebecca Coggin. Upon death of Francis (1) his widow Mary m. Capt. Robert Wynne. Does anyone have Mary's maiden name documented? Already known (but not necessarily discounted) candidates: Frances - likely just a confusion with first husband's given name Peterson - a Francis Poythress did m. a Mary Peterson but that's a Francis 2 generations down. Peyton - no evidence that I have seen. Sloman - has a rationale but it's a slim thread: this is a name that had not previously appeared in either family and it shows up in 1st and 2nd generations after widow Mary's marriage to Capt. Wynne in mid-1650s. Perhaps Francis Poythress gave his offspring names of HIS family because he was a hard case.....and Capt. Wynne was a kinder and gentler soul allowing Mary to intoduce her family name? Would appreciate any help with this lady's maiden name. Thanks, John M. Poythress Subj: Mary Sloman Date: 5/15/2002 9:01:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:BGilm59432">BGilm59432</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:VKRatliff">VKRatliff</A> Most of my research is by the internet and what I have needs to be confirmed but it seems the most likely answer I've found for Mary's maiden name. John Epes b. 1550 in Kent Co., England and his wife Thomasina Fisher had a daughter, Katherine bc 1579 that d. 1582. There was a second daughter named Katherine bc 1588. She md. 1st a cousin Peter Maplesden 18 Nov. 1606. He died bef. 1615 as at that time there was a lic. to marry dated 24 May 1615 in Ashford, Kent Co., Eng. for her and John Sloman. After Peter's death she md. a John Sloman of Kent Co., England. Katherine was a sister of the Francis Epes, the immigrant,who md. Marie Pawlett and thus the aunt of the Francis Epes who md. Elizabeth Littlebury. After the death of Francis Poythress his wife Mary ?Sloman md. Col. Robert Wynne. There followed a lawsuit in the rights of his wife Mary over her inheritance. The lawsuit was with Francis and William Epes. So it seems she was connected to the Epes family and probably the d/o John Sloman and Katherine Epes. John Sloman appears as a headright on a couple of trips to VA but all this needs more research. There is a very good workup on the Epes family at <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/Epes.html> Ihope this helps and if you learn more, please, let me know. Billie Jean Gilmore I went to the site above and the heading is "Chapter 14" which made me think for all the world that it would be directly from that book that some of us have (Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of Virginia ). Well, it may be but it's likely to not be easy to find. The Epes book is not arranged by chapters. In any event, I think Ms. Gilmore has presented us with some red meat on this subject. And the issue of that lawsuit is ringing bells. Would someone refresh my memory? Many thanks. Maynard

In a message dated 5/17/2002 6:07:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > X-Message: #2 > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:23:23 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: [VAPRINCEG-L] Poythress grave > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hello, > After seeing the query from John Poythress the name stuck in my mind > > and later that morning I went to look at a Prince George Co microfilm that > I > had ordered. I found the following and hope it will help someone. > > Bothwell Cemetery-2 miles south of Ford, Dinwiddie Co., Va. > "Here lyes the corpse of Mary Poythress, daughter of Captain William Eppes > and wife to William Poythress, Jun, who dyed the 4th day of October 1750 > aged > 19 years" > > Beverly Moxley > > Beverly: > > Many, many thanks. While I know you have no direct interest in this, I > expect you may be a surprised as I was at the coincidence between this > grave at Bothwell and the one below which is outside the front door of the chapel at > Blandford Cemetary in Petersburg: > > "Here lyes the corpse of Sarah Poythress, daughter of Col. Francis Eppes > and wife to Colonel William Poythress, who dyed the ___ day of October1750 > aged 48 years. (the blank is a cannonball hit). > > Almost spooky. > > Thanks again, > > John

In a message dated 5/10/2002 2:43:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > 'We "know" Thomas was the father of George through numerous documents.' > (Actually, I wrote it but AOL's reply system always says the sender "said" > something or other). > Lyn, you rascal, you're going to get me to make a "George" timeline yet and that is a monster project. Until then, I will say that we have no document that actually "says" that Thomas was George's father. However, I feel it is about as much a cinch as one can have on circumstantial evidence. With respect to this many documents, it's almost as if the two guys were joined at the hip. Since Thomas died ca 1800 he is on no Georgia census. He preceded George as Sheriff of Burke County, he is likely one of "the orphans of Thomas Poythress" (along with his mother Martha/Patsy) in a Georgia land lottery, George was the administrator of Thomas' estate, he settles a number of Thomas' affairs following Thomas' death and takes enough great liberties in doing so to say "son.". In total there is a myriad of other documents that practically shout the relationship at one. It strikes me that almost a greater source of skepticism would be that "a" Thomas was the father of Meredith but it was not the same Thomas as the father of George. I think this one is also remote. None-the-less, I'll start working on a time line on George. Maynard