Why did it never occur to me that when Mrs. Batte unloaded Bolling Batte's 40,000 8" x 5" index cards on the Library of Virginia the odds were ZILCH that she would separate and keep all of his records and supporting documentation instead of just sending it on with the other stuff; i. e. the cards, etc? Duhhhh. A friend gave me this url: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/findaid/batte.htm Scroll on down to Box # 18: LVA has the R. Bolling Batte "Papers" 1918-1992, Accession # 35260. The inventory list shows box # 18 to be wall to wall with Poythress documentation, likely 5 times bigger and/or better than anything any of us now has is my speculation. And the other boxes are full of material on related families. Next questions: 1) can we have access to box # 18 and a photocopier? 2) who is going to Virginia anytime soon and has two or three days to kill running copies? 3) I will find out if we CAN access the box (if this is a problem my guess is that Craig Scott can run interference for us) and I'll make it a point to go sometime this fall with a few available days and a couple hundred bucks for the copy machine.......unless somebody wants to beat me to it which won't hurt my feelings. 4) and a trove this rich has gotta be organized and put on the site. If we can't do a Lazurus number on Al one of us will have to learn HTML talk. Comments? Is this news to you all too or have you had it all along, thought it was just the old routine 6's and 7's and I'm working myself up over nothing? Maynard P. S. Craig: assuming we can get at the box is it a doable option to find a "for hire cheap" kid who'll do it for $10 an hour and reimbursement for the copy cost? Maybe just get him to copy all the Poythress folders expecting to get a lot of duplication but it's still a bargain? Thoughts?

--part1_9c.21a21928.2a422099_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_9c.21a21928.2a422099_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: Denver145 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:57:40 EDT Subject: Re: Question For James Speed Poythress Descendants To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Thanks. I wish I could have met him and I truly hope we can put something together in the near future so that those of us who are active can meet. That would be a Hoot!! Would anyone be interested in coming to Denver? I would be Happy to make the arrangements. Do you happen to have info on how many of J.S.P.'s grandaughters are still living? Hope things are going better for you. Are you back home yet? Elaine --part1_9c.21a21928.2a422099_boundary--

Elaine, Congrats on the new grandchild. Sorry to have to let you know that Harold Poythress died on 5 March 2000, at age 92. He was a fine, dear man. Charles & I were so pleased to get to meet him in one overnight visit, which I think was about a year prior to his death. BPN

Just had the arrival of my third grandchild last Thursday, so have been out of touch for a few days, ya know all those hugs and kisses. I am trying to finish some details for the info I am taking to the reunion next month. I saw on a list message that there is a Carl and a Harold (grandsons of James S. Poythress still living. My Dad is also a grandson. Are Carl and Harold still living and what about Grandaughters? How many and which are still living? My Aunt Theresa would be the only one left from the Carl Hutton line? As always thanks. Elaine

From the Mecklenburg rootsweb list page: Dear Listers: There are a lot of Surnames listed as being from Mecklenburg Co VA that are buried in the Princeton Cemetery in Dallas County Arkansas. The URL is listed below. Let me know if you find your family there! http://www.couchgenweb.com/arkansas/dallas/princet.htm Shes right. There is a bunch of them. I checked and there were no Poythresses. A number of Mecklenburg surnames however. I haven't worked those collateral families in Mecklenburg very hard so check it if you have one. Only one of us I have in Arkansas is Lilly and her land grant warranted by Peter: Database: Full Context of Arkansas Land Records Patentee Name:LILLY POYTHRESS Land Office: ARKANSAS Document Number: 21831 Miscellaneous Document Number: Signature: Y Signature Date: 1820/11/27 Description Number: 1 Aliquot Parts: NE Section Number: 27 Township Number: 7.0 Township Direction: N Range Number: 13.0 Range Direction: W Block Number: 0 Base Line: 05 Total Acres: 160.0000 Fractional Section: N Subsurface Rights Reserved: N Metes and Bounds Description: N Warantee Name: PETER POYTHRESS Canceled Document: N Multiple Patentee(s): N Multiple Warantee(s): N Accession Number: AR2960__.013 Sequence Number: 1 Total Pages: 1 Image Name: 00008193 Volume ID: 025 Image Type: P Remarks: Maynard

Below as a matter of interest is a report from our Cousin Margie Tanner, daughter of Trudy Edith Poythress Simmons detailing the dedication service of new stained glass windows in McBride United Methodist Church in Sylvania, Georgia. The surviving grandchildren of Horace Cullen Poythress and wife Flossie O. Wells, donated the funds to cover the cost of the window and in part the cost of the window for the related Reddick family. McBride Methodist Church is the annual site of the Poythress/Wells reunion each year. From Margie: Hey All You Poythresses, As you know, last Sunday, June 9th, the dedication of the renovations and of the memorial windows was held at McBride so I wanted to tell you about it. The church has new carpet, light fixtures, and I think pews. There are eight windows in the sanctuary depicting the life of Christ. The windows begin at the left front with the Nativity, Jesus in the Temple, etc. and then progress to the right front ending with the Ascension. There are three windows on each side and 2 in the back. I was pleased with the Poythress window which is the center one on the right and represents the Crucifixion. The final window is the Reddick window and depicts the Ascension. I was glad the Reddick and Poythress windows were side by side and don't know whether Frances and Adell had anything to do with the placement or the subjects. I think you'll all be pleased when you get a chance to see it. Karen Zeigler (Cary and Frances Reddick's daughter), who is a Methodist minister,did the dedication of the windows and she was very impressive. I would love to hear her preach a sermon someday. I know Frances is proud of her. After the service, just about all the people in the congregation stayed for lunch in the fellowship house. There were about 150 at the dedication and Adell had told me before the service that there were 114 places set in the fellowship hall. One more table had to be brought in so you know there was a crowd. Adell told me they usually have about 35 in attendance during the summer months. I have never seen as much food in my life!! There was ham, turkey, beef dishes, dressing, all kinds of vegetables and salads and a huge variety of desserts. It would NOT have been a good place for a dieter! I was very glad that Vernon and I were able to go and we had a very enjoyable day. Adell and Frances were particularly glad that we were there. As you know, the reunion is the third Sunday in August, the 18th this year. Vernon's brother is being given a surprise 70th birthday party in North Carolina that weekend so I am torn between the two but am seriously considering coming to the reunion and letting him go to the party with our daughter, Kate. In any case, I HOPE I will see you all then. In the meantime, take care and God bless you all. Love, Margie Maynard

Found it. Thanks very much - it will take me a while to digest (as Lou can tell you I work really slowly at this). Concerning your question about earlier Merediths, I have nothing at all. A lady we met in California, a Jan MacQuoid, sent us some information about other Wall lines, but I am pretty sure Lou has it all, so I think his answer to you encompasses that. Steve

I am trying to connect either a Wall or a Meredith who may have married Thomas Poythress in about 1759-1760. She was Martha (Patsy) Unknown They named their first son Meredith, which is not a common Poythress name. I have been checking both Wall and Meredith as possible last name of Thomas' wife. There was a Joshua Wall born about 1697 who married a Martha UNKNOWN , they named a daughter Martha Wall born 1741 in Prince George County, VA. Not much is known about her from what I have found so far. Her brother Henry Wall named one of his son's Thomas Meredith Wall born Dinwiddie County, VA. Don't know if there is a connection to us with this line, but I am sure trying to find out. Do you happen to have any information on this line of Wall's? Elaine

My records show a Lucy W. Meredith (b. 1922, m. James Richardson Clark; also m. William Lemuel Ingram) that married into the NC Wall family - both from children of James Wall, a son of John Wall (1746-1831). Not much on either, but if it's of interest I can forward the details. Steve Wall

Hi Gang, I was just reading the Meridian Star, where I always check the obits. I saw where a James R. Poythress age 59 had died in Tucson, Arizona. Arrangements were incomplete at Webb Funeral home in Meridian, Ms. Does anyone know who he was ? Thanks, Judy

In a message dated 6/7/2002 7:10:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CHRATH writes: > Subj:Poythress-Stainback > Date:6/7/2002 7:10:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:CHRATH">CHRATH</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:VKRatliff">VKRatliff</A> > Hey John, > I'm emailing you privately because I'm interested in learning more > about a possible Poythress-Stainback connection. I know of the William > Stainback that witnessed the will of John Poythress....but was wondering if > maybe there may have been a marriage in there somewhere. I found a website > on the Poythress Family and it was interesting to read of the locations of > the deeds....it seems the Poythress's and Stainback's were at least > neighbors. There had to be at least a Poythress or Eppes marriage in the > early Stainbacks. William Stainback Jr. had son's Thomas, William, John, > and Francis. Francis Stainback Sr. had children: Elizabeth, Rebecca, > Francis Jr., Littlebury, Mary......all names very common in both the > Poythress and Eppes Families. Also, the Immigrant William Stainback and > his son William Stainback Jr. owned land on the south side of Bailey's > Creek....a common landmark in many Poythress deeds and wills. > I was just wondering what your take on the connections might > be.....hope to hear from you soon...thanks. > > Charlie Rathbun > > Charlie Rathbun > 276 Winchester Ridge N > Jasper, Ga 30143 > > Charlie....great to hear from you. I'm copying your e-mail to the > Poythress Listserver ([email protected]). There is indeed a > Stainback connection that I have, although really later in the game than > probably either your or I would have suspected. > > From the VA records of R. Bolling Batte: > > Edward S. Stainback > m. 1 Mary Bolling Poythress Temple b. 17 Aug 1886, Prince George County > m. after 1906 > > Second, in the book "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of > Virginia" by > respected Virginia genealogist John Fredrick Dorman, the index shows a > William > Stainback on page 205. Alas, there is no William Stainback that I can find > on pg. 205. > > Third, and I'm hoping will be the most productive, I distinctly recall one > of our "actives" on the Poythress listserver working with the Stainback > surname and I'm asking him/her to please answer you and copy our list. Hope this helps, John M. Poythress

While browsing the USGenweb Prince George, VA archives, I came across some wills. 1717 Will of John Wall 1720 Will of Sampson Meredith naming a son Lewis Meredith in the Will. 1724 Will of John Poythress 1725 Will of Thomas Lewis Now we have Poythress'/Lewis'/Meredith's and Wall's all in the same place at about the same time, and all had children who would have been having children around the time-frame of Thomas Poythress and Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress. There are indentures posted on the List showing Thomas Poythress Of Martin's Brandon Parish, Prince George, Co. selling land. So he was there at some point. More food for thought. Have a GREAT weekend. Elaine

--- Lou Poole <[email protected]> wrote: > Just some thoughts on the subject(s)... > > I think you are probably right that "Meredith" may > have originally been > a surname, and thus offers a possible clue as to > marriage connections. Actually, Meridith was a Welsh prenom. Example: Prince Maredudd [Meridith] ap Bleddyn of Powys (d.1132). Prince George County had a number of early Welsh settlers. > Similarly, Lewis may be derived from a surname, but > I don't know of any > Lewises living in the area of the Poythresses in > that time frame (of > course, I haven't exactly searched for them either). > The prominent > Lewis family with which I'm familiar was either > further north, or in the > Valley of Virginia area. Lewis as a given name > certainly was a popular > one among some families, most notably in my > knowledge and experience, > the Burwell family. So I don't think it's quite as > reliable a clue as > Meredith might be. > > There were in fact several branches of the Wall > family, and the > relationship of these branches, if there was one, is > still unknown (to > me, anyway). There was a Daniel Wall who appeared > in the early Bristol > Parish records, with a number of sons, who > eventually lived in the > northern part of Brunswick County (traces of this > family, but only > traces, can be found in some extant Dinwiddie > records). This is not the > Wall line that I believe married into the Poythress > family, though they > both used John as a somewhat favored name. For what > it's worth I don't > have a single Meredith identified within the John > Wall family that I > think is allied with the Poythress family. (That's > not to say that such > a connection won't eventually surface, but just a > statement of the > lay-of-the-land as I now think I understand it.) > > I've also learned by now that the prominent families > in the area of > southern Virginia were so interlocked with marriages > that they were > practically all related by marriage somehow. And > that sure doesn't help > when playing the "name game." > > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Wall/Meredith/Lewis/Poythress > > > Via Maynards suggestion, I am posting a possible > theory I have for a > possible name for Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress who > married Thomas > Poythress of > Brunswick VA say maybe mid to late 1750's. At > least it is something > worth > checking out, to try and prove or disprove. > > Ok here goes; We have Thomas Poythress and Martha > (Patsy) Unknown, > their > first child, they named Meredith (not a common > Poythress name), then > we > have Lewis, some say proven and some say not proven, > son of Thomas and > Martha (another uncommon name for the Poythress'), > well my thoughts are > our > Martha (Patsy) unknown, could possibly be a > Meredith, a > Lewis(Meredith's and > Lewis' intermarried) or maybe even a Wall(Meredith's > and Wall's > intermarried). All of these surnames were in > Virginia (Prince George, > Dinwiddie/Brunswick, Hanover, and a few other > surrounding counties) at > the > time Thomas and Martha were in those areas. There > was even a Lewis > Meredith > b. abt. 1640 who emigrated from Wales to Maryland in > the Queen Anne's > County > area, and some of his and his brother John's and > another brother, > either > William or a Thomas lines, who migrated to > Virginia. I do not know > much > about these other surnames, as I am much to new at > this research > business, > but maybe some of you know about them or have the > resources to explore > this > theory. I stress, that is all it is at this point, > just a hunch from > the > most inexperienced Poythress Researcher on the list. > But it is food for > > thought don't you think. > > Take care to you all and BPN, I am thinking about > you. > > Elaine > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Geneaology Research Web > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/ > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. > If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please > visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

Just some thoughts on the subject(s)... I think you are probably right that "Meredith" may have originally been a surname, and thus offers a possible clue as to marriage connections. Similarly, Lewis may be derived from a surname, but I don't know of any Lewises living in the area of the Poythresses in that time frame (of course, I haven't exactly searched for them either). The prominent Lewis family with which I'm familiar was either further north, or in the Valley of Virginia area. Lewis as a given name certainly was a popular one among some families, most notably in my knowledge and experience, the Burwell family. So I don't think it's quite as reliable a clue as Meredith might be. There were in fact several branches of the Wall family, and the relationship of these branches, if there was one, is still unknown (to me, anyway). There was a Daniel Wall who appeared in the early Bristol Parish records, with a number of sons, who eventually lived in the northern part of Brunswick County (traces of this family, but only traces, can be found in some extant Dinwiddie records). This is not the Wall line that I believe married into the Poythress family, though they both used John as a somewhat favored name. For what it's worth I don't have a single Meredith identified within the John Wall family that I think is allied with the Poythress family. (That's not to say that such a connection won't eventually surface, but just a statement of the lay-of-the-land as I now think I understand it.) I've also learned by now that the prominent families in the area of southern Virginia were so interlocked with marriages that they were practically all related by marriage somehow. And that sure doesn't help when playing the "name game." Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Wall/Meredith/Lewis/Poythress Via Maynards suggestion, I am posting a possible theory I have for a possible name for Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress who married Thomas Poythress of Brunswick VA say maybe mid to late 1750's. At least it is something worth checking out, to try and prove or disprove. Ok here goes; We have Thomas Poythress and Martha (Patsy) Unknown, their first child, they named Meredith (not a common Poythress name), then we have Lewis, some say proven and some say not proven, son of Thomas and Martha (another uncommon name for the Poythress'), well my thoughts are our Martha (Patsy) unknown, could possibly be a Meredith, a Lewis(Meredith's and Lewis' intermarried) or maybe even a Wall(Meredith's and Wall's intermarried). All of these surnames were in Virginia (Prince George, Dinwiddie/Brunswick, Hanover, and a few other surrounding counties) at the time Thomas and Martha were in those areas. There was even a Lewis Meredith b. abt. 1640 who emigrated from Wales to Maryland in the Queen Anne's County area, and some of his and his brother John's and another brother, either William or a Thomas lines, who migrated to Virginia. I do not know much about these other surnames, as I am much to new at this research business, but maybe some of you know about them or have the resources to explore this theory. I stress, that is all it is at this point, just a hunch from the most inexperienced Poythress Researcher on the list. But it is food for thought don't you think. Take care to you all and BPN, I am thinking about you. Elaine ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Geneaology Research Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

Via Maynards suggestion, I am posting a possible theory I have for a possible name for Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress who married Thomas Poythress of Brunswick VA say maybe mid to late 1750's. At least it is something worth checking out, to try and prove or disprove. Ok here goes; We have Thomas Poythress and Martha (Patsy) Unknown, their first child, they named Meredith (not a common Poythress name), then we have Lewis, some say proven and some say not proven, son of Thomas and Martha (another uncommon name for the Poythress'), well my thoughts are our Martha (Patsy) unknown, could possibly be a Meredith, a Lewis(Meredith's and Lewis' intermarried) or maybe even a Wall(Meredith's and Wall's intermarried). All of these surnames were in Virginia (Prince George, Dinwiddie/Brunswick, Hanover, and a few other surrounding counties) at the time Thomas and Martha were in those areas. There was even a Lewis Meredith b. abt. 1640 who emigrated from Wales to Maryland in the Queen Anne's County area, and some of his and his brother John's and another brother, either William or a Thomas lines, who migrated to Virginia. I do not know much about these other surnames, as I am much to new at this research business, but maybe some of you know about them or have the resources to explore this theory. I stress, that is all it is at this point, just a hunch from the most inexperienced Poythress Researcher on the list. But it is food for thought don't you think. Take care to you all and BPN, I am thinking about you. Elaine

Lou: New gunslinger on the hot and dusty.......Elaine......hot on the trail of those Walls and also raises the hitherto unconsidered 100% reasonable possibility that it may just make some sense that the given name Meredith had a surname connection somewhere in prior generations....duh...I shoulda thunk o that. Pay attention, Lou, these young sweet thangs may leave us geezers in the dust. Maynard

Elaine..... in short....I'm embarrassed to admit that I never thought to "hook" the Meredith name to anyone else as a surname. Shoot, it's a natural. That field is wide open for discovery. I intend to work it, having been properly admonished by you for my sin of omission. Looks like you brought your portable confession booth with you. <g> Re Wall.....suggest you go "to the board" (innocently) with queries on THIS subject. We have a couple of real Wall affectionatos. I'll again do a mea culpa for not paying too much attention to them. However, given the proper yank on their Chatty Cathy strings, I'm sure they will come to life for you. Nice to have fresh impetus on this otherwise moribund board of we cooters. You ARE appreciated. Maynard

Wall?! What did I miss? Must have been asleep at the wheel.. Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Speed, Bland, Baird Quiry Elaine..... in short....I'm embarrassed to admit that I never thought to "hook" the Meredith name to anyone else as a surname. Shoot, it's a natural. That field is wide open for discovery. I intend to work it, having been properly admonished by you for my sin of omission. Looks like you brought your portable confession booth with you. <g> Re Wall.....suggest you go "to the board" (innocently) with queries on THIS subject. We have a couple of real Wall affectionatos. I'll again do a mea culpa for not paying too much attention to them. However, given the proper yank on their Chatty Cathy strings, I'm sure they will come to life for you. Nice to have fresh impetus on this otherwise moribund board of we cooters. You ARE appreciated. Maynard ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Geneaology Research Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

In case anyone was interested in reading the transcription of this Diary, and since Maynard said he couldn't find it: Go to the US GENWEB archives on rootsweb, click search by state, click VA and use surname Wall (some of those Wall boys married Meredith's, still tryin to find a Surname for our Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress). There are two parts posted on there. The first one had the reference to the Poythress, I was talking about and I haven't read the second one yet. Elaine

Fred, I am not very familiar with the Speed line itself, yet. My G-Grandfather was James Speed Poythress. His mother was Mary Speed Dortch, who married my GG-Grandfather, David Poythress in Mecklenberg, VA in 1827. If I am correct, her parents were Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed both of Mecklenberg, VA. The list members, will please correct me if I am wrong. David, after the death of Mary, married Sally Dortch in Warren County, NC. Relationship of Mary and Sally is unknown. There are other Speed connected members of this list, whom I am sure could give a more indepth lineage of the Speed's. As far as the Baird's and Bland's, I am just now delving into these lines myself, so I will rely on my fellow Poythress researchers to help you out with these lines. Elaine