I was also able to obtain a copy from her husband. I doubt he is still living. I could be wrong. She interviewed my mother also. Judy > > From: "koswcartist" <koswcartist@socal.rr.com> > Date: 2005/05/30 Mon PM 10:55:09 EDT > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: SAR Library > > one of my meridian relatives got me a copy of Betty Lawrence's book. She was > a very dedicated researcher on the family in the 60s and 70s and later in > our line. She interviewed all the living Poythress at the time. she did use > documented references, but a few errors creeped in. I believe her husband > and/or son were named Tom so i dont know who carried on after her death. > PK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Poythress" <brerfox@bellsouth.net> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:55 PM > Subject: SAR Library > > > > Barbara & all..in our Lou. Gene. Soc. meeting last week they mentioned > > that the Sons of American Revolution library catalog is now on-line at > > www.SAR.org. So I went to the library site and poked Poythress into the > > search engine. Up popped this one: > > > > http://sar.library.net/TLCScripts/interpac.dll?LabelDisplay&RecordNumber > > =4293610&DB=1&FormId=581-1440&ItemField=1&Config=7099&Branch=0 > > > > The title is: "Giles & Joan (Pearce) Gilbert and James Edward and > > Catherine Smith (Preston) Poythress and descendents." > > Author is Betty Lawrence. Printed by Mt. Barton Publishers in Meridian > > which makes me want to guess it was published privately. The copy the > > SAR library has was a gift of "Tom Lawrence." > > > > This one looks like a legit "book" (188 pages) although typically the > > SAR library stock in trade is copies of all the qualifying papers of > > members since forever. They are awash with those papers and I haven't > > had much luck with them in the past. > > > > Their library (it's inside their national headquarters) is about 3 > > blocks from the Louisville Downtown library to which I go every couple > > of weeks anyway. Parking is free and I have freebie access via a friend > > so checking it out is no big deal..or...have you already done so?? > > > > And while I'm at it, I guess I'll mention to the list if you have a > > particular "patriot" (I think they call them) that you want info on just > > look him up on the libraries search engine to be sure he's there, tell > > me what you want and I'll run it down for you. > > > > Maynard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > > Visit www.poythress.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > >

Lou....unless somebody else asked the question you cite then it was me and the question I asked was "could someone be a Burgess without being a property owner in the county represented"?....which in a sense is indeed very much like "living there." And, like you, I concluded yes...to both questions.....only because Francis was indeed a Burgess for Northumberland and (albeit the records for Northumberland are scant) there is no record of him obtaining property. And even if he obtained property by grant the odds are he probably didn't live long enough to "seat" it; i. e. cultivate it within three years. Plus, if he obtained land by grant, odds are it would be recorded in one of the grant books, this particular point being only a guess. To be sure, he is recorded on two occasions as "assigning" property to others but it appears that it was not his own property but he assigned (grantable?) property in his capacity to "do" grants as part of the job ordered by the General Assembly. I concluded that the percentages are with saying that he had the plenipotentiary powers granted by the General Assembly to do pretty much anything that goes with being a Burgess (and perhaps a lot more)....without meeting the routine requirements of residency and/or land ownership. This would not be inconsistent with the history of the time which reflects that when a leader, usually military, took his men to "deal with" the "salvages" and did so successfully (by means fair or foul), he wound up with pretty much a blank check. Note that I'm not saying this is "fact"; just that it is a likelihood. I'm standing in quicksand on this one so if someone has an informed opinion I would welcome it. Thanks. Maynard A few weeks ago, the question was raised if Francis Poythress could be a Burgess representing Northumberland if he didn't live there. Apparently residency was not a requirement for Burgesses in the early years. I've been working my way through some Burwell history, and discovered that Nathaniel Burwell of Gloucester County was a Justice of the Peace in Gloucester in 1709, and a Burgess representing Jamestown in the General Assembly of 1710-1712. He was a Burgess representing Gloucester in the Assembly of 1720-1722. I remembered the question, and think the above answers the question in the "negative." This may mean that Francis Poythress NEVER lived in Northumberland. Lou ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

A few weeks ago, the question was raised if Francis Poythress could be a Burgess representing Northumberland if he didn't live there. Apparently residency was not a requirement for Burgesses in the early years. I've been working my way through some Burwell history, and discovered that Nathaniel Burwell of Gloucester County was a Justice of the Peace in Gloucester in 1709, and a Burgess representing Jamestown in the General Assembly of 1710-1712. He was a Burgess representing Gloucester in the Assembly of 1720-1722. I remembered the question, and think the above answers the question in the "negative." This may mean that Francis Poythress NEVER lived in Northumberland. Lou

When I was back in school to be a librarian in the last century... they told us that the amount of space you would need to store books, other documents were listed as so many linear feet..since at that time shelves were standardized 12 inches deep. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Poythress" <brerfox@bellsouth.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: RE: R. Bolling Batte Papers > Yes, if you mean have I ONLY gotten the index....it's on the page that > itemizes the R. Bolling Batte Papers (as opposed to the 8 x 5 index > cards on individuals). The LVA page says the entire collection of > papers takes up 29.5 cubic feet...although that seems an odd way to > measure "papers." > > Anyway, the one box # 18 that has all the Poythress papers is likely > 2500 or 3000 pages so unless one has something very specific in mind > that looks like a job for one who has > a month or so to kill. > > Maynard > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:25 PM > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: R. Bolling Batte Papers > > Does this mean you have gotten these off indexes but do not have a copy? > I'm > printing this email to bring with me. > Thanks, > Julie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Poythress" <brerfox@bellsouth.net> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:31 PM > Subject: R. Bolling Batte Papers > > > > Julie, I have pasted below the P. material from the R. Bolling Batte > > "papers" (not to be confused with RBB Cards, RBB Chart, etc. > > The LVA website indicates that there are no restrictions on accessing > > this material. > > > > Maynard > > o Poythress Box: 18 Folder: 1 > > o Poythress - Binders (Flowerdew Hundred) Box: 18 Folder: 2 > > o Poythress Chart Box: 18 Folder: 3 > > o Poythress (P-1) Chart Box: 18 Folder: 4 > > o Poythress - County Record Extracts (Amelia, Surry, Petersburg, > > Sussex) Box: 18 Folder: 5 > > o Poythress of Brunswick and Mecklenburg Box: 18 Folder: 6 > > o Poythress - Extracts from Charles City Records Box: 18 Folder: 7 > > > > o Poythress - Extracts from Prince George Records Box: 18 Folder: > > 8 > > o Poythress - Extracts from Printed Material Box: 18 Folder: 9 > > o Poythress Material from Miss Peebles Box: 18 Folder: 10 > > o Poythress Notes - 2nd Set Box: 18 Folder: 11 > > o Poythress - Old "142" Charts Box: 18 Folder: 12 > > o Poythress - Peebles Notes (Not Checked) Box: 18 Folder: 13 > > o Poythress - Photo Records Box: 18 Folder: 14 > > o Poythress - Sources and Index Box: 18 Folder: 15 > > o Poythress - Surveys Box: 18 Folder: 16 > > o Poythress Will, 1724 Box: 18 Folder: 17 > > o Poythress - Write Up Drafts Box: 18 Folder: 18 > > > > > > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > > www.poythress.net > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net >

one of my meridian relatives got me a copy of Betty Lawrence's book. She was a very dedicated researcher on the family in the 60s and 70s and later in our line. She interviewed all the living Poythress at the time. she did use documented references, but a few errors creeped in. I believe her husband and/or son were named Tom so i dont know who carried on after her death. PK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Poythress" <brerfox@bellsouth.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: SAR Library > Barbara & all..in our Lou. Gene. Soc. meeting last week they mentioned > that the Sons of American Revolution library catalog is now on-line at > www.SAR.org. So I went to the library site and poked Poythress into the > search engine. Up popped this one: > > http://sar.library.net/TLCScripts/interpac.dll?LabelDisplay&RecordNumber > =4293610&DB=1&FormId=581-1440&ItemField=1&Config=7099&Branch=0 > > The title is: "Giles & Joan (Pearce) Gilbert and James Edward and > Catherine Smith (Preston) Poythress and descendents." > Author is Betty Lawrence. Printed by Mt. Barton Publishers in Meridian > which makes me want to guess it was published privately. The copy the > SAR library has was a gift of "Tom Lawrence." > > This one looks like a legit "book" (188 pages) although typically the > SAR library stock in trade is copies of all the qualifying papers of > members since forever. They are awash with those papers and I haven't > had much luck with them in the past. > > Their library (it's inside their national headquarters) is about 3 > blocks from the Louisville Downtown library to which I go every couple > of weeks anyway. Parking is free and I have freebie access via a friend > so checking it out is no big deal..or...have you already done so?? > > And while I'm at it, I guess I'll mention to the list if you have a > particular "patriot" (I think they call them) that you want info on just > look him up on the libraries search engine to be sure he's there, tell > me what you want and I'll run it down for you. > > Maynard > > > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Visit www.poythress.net > > > > > > > > > > > o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

Curiousity...what do you mean by an indian tooth pattern. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: Pleasant Hill > I found Marlene in a round about way. I got the death certificate for James > Lundy Clary. It told he was buried in Old Pleasant Hill Christian church. I > wondered hopefully if his wife Betty Glover was buried beside him. I saw the > church had a web site, and I emailed the pastor and asked if by chance Betty > was buried beside him. He said she indeed was, and that Marlene a member of > the congregation would be kin to me then, and gave me her contact info. Last > July I went to visit her and she took me to the church so I could take > pictures of the Clary/Glover stones to share with my family. I saw the > Poythress stones there, but I had just run out of film. So I told Barbara > I'd go back this summer and take pictures to make available for this list. > > Marlene said she had a relative who knew more about Clary questions I asked, > and I wonder if it was you that sent Clary answers to her for me. So I'll > have to go back and reread her letters. > > One amazing thing to me is that Marlene said she grew up being told they > were Indian from the Glover family and that they have a different teeth > pattern like the Indians. I was curious, and already have a little Indian > pride in, even though I am extremely pale and sunburn easy :). > I saw her picture and was so surprised! She had thick beautiful long black > Indian hair and there was no doubt she looked Indian. She is the only Glover > generation we have a picture of. I asked people from other Glover branches > and they had heard rumors of being Indian too. And they had heard rumors. > Sadly back then though, you had to hide being Indian and "live white" so you > didn't get put on a reservation. I do have a Cherokee gr.... grandma in > another part of my family not connected to Mecklenburg. Even though we have > no other records for this grandma, because she had to hide her identity, I'm > glad she was able to live the life she chose rather than one that the > government chose for her. > > Betty Glover married to James Lundy Clary has 4 other siblings. One is > another Rehoboth church family, Christine "Minnie" Glover married to Charles > Tudor. Also two brother that moved to and lived in Lunenburg County. Richard > and Oliver. These are all children of Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd > (John B. Kidd's daughter and sister in law to Virinda Jones) For some of you > not so familiar with this area, the families all criss cross a lot. And this > is Foxhall Poythress, Kidd, Cannon, Jones and Gray neighborhood even still > today. > > So I was really quite shocked to see Betty Glover's picture and how > definitely Indian she looked. Have any of you heard about Indians in this > area so late as 1860's? > Love, > Julie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > > > > Julie, > > I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's > > first cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family research > > or personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys Morris > > Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister. > > And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange? > > Teresa > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > > > > > >> Theresa, > >> I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to > >> Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's > >> grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's > >> sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son of > >> Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness. You > >> can still see the stars here :) > >> Love > >> Julie > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> > >> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM > >> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > >> > >> > >>> Julie, > >>> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few times a > >>> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I can > >>> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then. > >>> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest children > >>> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course > >>> Fredericksburg was one of the stops. > >>> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, & > >>> Caroline County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my > >>> daughters is considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> > >>> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM > >>> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hey everyone, > >>>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let > >>>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the > >>>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress > >>>> actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can > >>>> find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my > >>>> direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to > >>>> William Archer Dortch. > >>>> > >>>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to > >>>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you > >>>> get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the > >>>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help > >>>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and > >>>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. > >>>> Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up > >>>> for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I > >>>> haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure > >>>> where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge > >>>> here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 > >>>> miles to the right and I'm in King George County. > >>>> > >>>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On > >>>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after > >>>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which > >>>> empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of > >>>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I > >>>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street > >>>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding > >>>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a > >>>> thing to flooding. > >>>> > >>>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 > >>>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity. > >>>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the > >>>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great > >>>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures > >>>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten > >>>> so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden > >>>> spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps > >>>> made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago. > >>>> > >>>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River. > >>>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on > >>>> the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the > >>>> world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington > >>>> kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the > >>>> silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that > >>>> was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over > >>>> 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. > >>>> There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious > >>>> minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for > >>>> foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own > >>>> first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the > >>>> buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that happens > >>>> whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) > >>>> about every 25 ye! > >>>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic > >>>> river... > >>>> > >>>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the > >>>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this > >>>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in > >>>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil > >>>> Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as > >>>> other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco > >>>> and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it. > >>>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really > >>>> strong undercurrents and tides. > >>>> > >>>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you. > >>>> Love > >>>> Julie > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > >>>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web > >>>> www.poythress.net > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > >>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web > >>> www.poythress.net > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > >> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. 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Thanks Maynard, for the info about SAR's online access. Betty Lawrence's husband is/was very active in SAR; Betty was President of her chapter of United Daughters of the Confederacy; she died in Aug 1993. Her "Unrevised History of the War for Southern Independence" is a 457-page (including a 13-page index) hard-bound book that her husband published in 1995. It was printed for him by "Larksdale" (no location given). It has ISBN 0-89896-431-8 and its copyright shows: Thomas U. Lawrence, 1995. The book is dedicated to their son. Her earlier books, including the Poythress one, were published by her husband, Dr. Tom Lawrence, from home (as Mt. Barton Publishers). A copy of her book on the Poythress family is already owned by me & I think by numerous other List subscribers. Unless SAR has actually bound their own copy, it is printed on copier-paper & is in a notebook-type of binder. BPN

I will definitely keep looking! Thanks, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Baird" <coriakin@comcast.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg > Julie, some of those family cemeteries just get lost. For example, you > and > I share kinship with Rebecca Kidd Cannon, as we have discussed. I know > where she and her husband are buried because as a boy I was shown their > marked graves. Today it's a plowed field, the markers are gone. I don't > know how it happened, and yet I do. Today, with +70% of that area in > timber, and highly mechanized harvesting methods, cemeteries that have > "grown over" and are poorly marked are especially vulnerable. Having made > those gloomy statements, I will add that old family cemeteries do turn up. > I myself have been fortunate enough to bring one to light. So let's keep > researching. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:43 PM > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg > > Thank you Lyn for all your great answers to my questions. Would you like a > scanned copy of the will to see the witness name better? > > Also, would you be interested in the deed where all of John Gray and Sarah > Elizabeth Jones children signed it over to Nannie and Jimmy Kidd. I'm sure > Foxhall Poythress spent a bit of time at this house, being their > son-in-law. > > It is on Nelly Jones Rd. Nelly Brooks Jones and Frederick Jones are buried > there, on the edge of the forest as well as 6 unmarked graves. > > I'm bummed that you, a local, doesn't know where the family is buried > either. I realize they were all farmers, but I cannot find a single > headstone for over at least 80 % of my family. My Dortch and Gray/Jones > families that intermarried with Poythress were all living between Great > Creek and Miles Creek, in pre revolution days (according to Early Settlers > Mecklenburg Co. VA books) where our families still were in the 1900's. I > ordered some deed microfilms to see if I can follow some land, especially > of > Newman Dortch inheriting John Speed's property (his father-in-law). I'll > have to see the chancery to see if he really did get the land. Newman's > son > William Archer Dortch married Sally Poythress who we all think may be > daughter of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. William would be the only > one who I think could have inherited the land. It would be my hope a > family > cemetery would be there on the old plantation, maybe hidden in some > forests > now? Ok, you guys can all think I'm crazy now... > Love, > Julie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyn Baird" <coriakin@comcast.net> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:17 AM > Subject: RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg > > >> Julie, in answer to your question, we don't know where Lewis and >> Rebecca Poythress are buried. >> >> We do know he left his Mecklenburg land to two sons. It appears that >> one of them, Thomas M., stayed on the land, and we do know the >> location of his homestead and his grave. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] >> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM >> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg >> >> Poythress friends, >> >> I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of >> William Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the >> State records center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took >> some people awhile to find out where it was. Fortunately the library >> of VA web site has been entering records for VA even ones that aren't >> currently in the archives. >> -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it >> may be awhile before I can get this. >> >> There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only >> copy so many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied >> to pick up later. (About a month) >> __________________________________________________ >> I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's >> dated 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that >> everything regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts >> were missing. >> It >> has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will, >> and one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can >> make a copy to go to the Poythress web site if interested. >> ___________________________________________________ >> One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress >> are in it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found >> Newman on paper!!!!! :) Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress >> who married William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary: >> Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other >> children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as: >> Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch >> Elizabeth Speed >> Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch. >> >> It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I >> think the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it >> correctly) This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. >> I did today though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid >> the appraisal fee, surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 >> acre plots. Courthouse road runs through it. (Any one know where that >> is??) I know Munsey Adams started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was >> never printed. I hope some of my relatives are in there, because I >> can't find tombstones for most of my family in Mecklenburg. If I can >> follow this James Speed land enough, ...if I was really lucky, maybe a >> family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and Sarah Poythress >> inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the family was. >> Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of Mecklenburg >> County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek. >> _____________________________________________________ >> Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of >> Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if >> any of them could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they >> could be buried with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I >> find for my family. >> ___________________________________________________ >> So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also >> interested in these, email me off the list. >> >> I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon. >> >> Poythress: >> -Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper >> >> -Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper >> >> -Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915 >> >> -Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper >> >> -Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper >> >> -Ann Poythress obit >> >> -Caroline Poythress obit >> >> Jones from 98th Regt. >> -Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs) >> >> -Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs) >> >> -Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat >> >> -James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs >> >> -H. Anna Jones will and estate >> >> -J. C. Jones will >> >> -Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones) >> >> -Letter written by Zachariah Jones >> >> -Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding >> the homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> Poythress Genealogy Research Web >> www.poythress.net >> >> >> >> >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more >> about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Visit www.poythress.net > > > > > > > > > > > o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Visit www.poythress.net > > > > > > > > > > > o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

Julie, some of those family cemeteries just get lost. For example, you and I share kinship with Rebecca Kidd Cannon, as we have discussed. I know where she and her husband are buried because as a boy I was shown their marked graves. Today it's a plowed field, the markers are gone. I don't know how it happened, and yet I do. Today, with +70% of that area in timber, and highly mechanized harvesting methods, cemeteries that have "grown over" and are poorly marked are especially vulnerable. Having made those gloomy statements, I will add that old family cemeteries do turn up. I myself have been fortunate enough to bring one to light. So let's keep researching. -----Original Message----- From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:43 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg Thank you Lyn for all your great answers to my questions. Would you like a scanned copy of the will to see the witness name better? Also, would you be interested in the deed where all of John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children signed it over to Nannie and Jimmy Kidd. I'm sure Foxhall Poythress spent a bit of time at this house, being their son-in-law. It is on Nelly Jones Rd. Nelly Brooks Jones and Frederick Jones are buried there, on the edge of the forest as well as 6 unmarked graves. I'm bummed that you, a local, doesn't know where the family is buried either. I realize they were all farmers, but I cannot find a single headstone for over at least 80 % of my family. My Dortch and Gray/Jones families that intermarried with Poythress were all living between Great Creek and Miles Creek, in pre revolution days (according to Early Settlers Mecklenburg Co. VA books) where our families still were in the 1900's. I ordered some deed microfilms to see if I can follow some land, especially of Newman Dortch inheriting John Speed's property (his father-in-law). I'll have to see the chancery to see if he really did get the land. Newman's son William Archer Dortch married Sally Poythress who we all think may be daughter of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. William would be the only one who I think could have inherited the land. It would be my hope a family cemetery would be there on the old plantation, maybe hidden in some forests now? Ok, you guys can all think I'm crazy now... Love, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Baird" <coriakin@comcast.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg > Julie, in answer to your question, we don't know where Lewis and > Rebecca Poythress are buried. > > We do know he left his Mecklenburg land to two sons. It appears that > one of them, Thomas M., stayed on the land, and we do know the > location of his homestead and his grave. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg > > Poythress friends, > > I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of > William Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the > State records center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took > some people awhile to find out where it was. Fortunately the library > of VA web site has been entering records for VA even ones that aren't > currently in the archives. > -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it > may be awhile before I can get this. > > There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only > copy so many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied > to pick up later. (About a month) > __________________________________________________ > I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's > dated 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that > everything regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts > were missing. > It > has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will, > and one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can > make a copy to go to the Poythress web site if interested. > ___________________________________________________ > One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress > are in it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found > Newman on paper!!!!! :) Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress > who married William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary: > Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other > children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as: > Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch > Elizabeth Speed > Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch. > > It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I > think the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it > correctly) This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. > I did today though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid > the appraisal fee, surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 > acre plots. Courthouse road runs through it. (Any one know where that > is??) I know Munsey Adams started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was > never printed. I hope some of my relatives are in there, because I > can't find tombstones for most of my family in Mecklenburg. If I can > follow this James Speed land enough, ...if I was really lucky, maybe a > family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and Sarah Poythress > inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the family was. > Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of Mecklenburg > County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek. > _____________________________________________________ > Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of > Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if > any of them could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they > could be buried with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I > find for my family. > ___________________________________________________ > So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also > interested in these, email me off the list. > > I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon. > > Poythress: > -Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper > > -Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper > > -Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915 > > -Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper > > -Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper > > -Ann Poythress obit > > -Caroline Poythress obit > > Jones from 98th Regt. > -Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs) > > -Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs) > > -Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat > > -James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs > > -H. Anna Jones will and estate > > -J. C. Jones will > > -Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones) > > -Letter written by Zachariah Jones > > -Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding > the homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd > > > > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more > about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Visit www.poythress.net o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/

Barbara & all..in our Lou. Gene. Soc. meeting last week they mentioned that the Sons of American Revolution library catalog is now on-line at www.SAR.org. So I went to the library site and poked Poythress into the search engine. Up popped this one: http://sar.library.net/TLCScripts/interpac.dll?LabelDisplay&RecordNumber =4293610&DB=1&FormId=581-1440&ItemField=1&Config=7099&Branch=0 The title is: "Giles & Joan (Pearce) Gilbert and James Edward and Catherine Smith (Preston) Poythress and descendents." Author is Betty Lawrence. Printed by Mt. Barton Publishers in Meridian which makes me want to guess it was published privately. The copy the SAR library has was a gift of "Tom Lawrence." This one looks like a legit "book" (188 pages) although typically the SAR library stock in trade is copies of all the qualifying papers of members since forever. They are awash with those papers and I haven't had much luck with them in the past. Their library (it's inside their national headquarters) is about 3 blocks from the Louisville Downtown library to which I go every couple of weeks anyway. Parking is free and I have freebie access via a friend so checking it out is no big deal..or...have you already done so?? And while I'm at it, I guess I'll mention to the list if you have a particular "patriot" (I think they call them) that you want info on just look him up on the libraries search engine to be sure he's there, tell me what you want and I'll run it down for you. Maynard

Thank you Lyn for all your great answers to my questions. Would you like a scanned copy of the will to see the witness name better? Also, would you be interested in the deed where all of John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children signed it over to Nannie and Jimmy Kidd. I'm sure Foxhall Poythress spent a bit of time at this house, being their son-in-law. It is on Nelly Jones Rd. Nelly Brooks Jones and Frederick Jones are buried there, on the edge of the forest as well as 6 unmarked graves. I'm bummed that you, a local, doesn't know where the family is buried either. I realize they were all farmers, but I cannot find a single headstone for over at least 80 % of my family. My Dortch and Gray/Jones families that intermarried with Poythress were all living between Great Creek and Miles Creek, in pre revolution days (according to Early Settlers Mecklenburg Co. VA books) where our families still were in the 1900's. I ordered some deed microfilms to see if I can follow some land, especially of Newman Dortch inheriting John Speed's property (his father-in-law). I'll have to see the chancery to see if he really did get the land. Newman's son William Archer Dortch married Sally Poythress who we all think may be daughter of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. William would be the only one who I think could have inherited the land. It would be my hope a family cemetery would be there on the old plantation, maybe hidden in some forests now? Ok, you guys can all think I'm crazy now... Love, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Baird" <coriakin@comcast.net> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg > Julie, in answer to your question, we don't know where Lewis and Rebecca > Poythress are buried. > > We do know he left his Mecklenburg land to two sons. It appears that one > of > them, Thomas M., stayed on the land, and we do know the location of his > homestead and his grave. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg > > Poythress friends, > > I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of > William > Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the State records > center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took some people awhile > to find out where it was. Fortunately the library of VA web site has been > entering records for VA even ones that aren't currently in the archives. > -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it may > be > awhile before I can get this. > > There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only copy > so > many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied to pick up > later. (About a month) __________________________________________________ > I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's > dated > 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that everything > regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts were missing. > It > has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will, and > one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can make a copy > to go to the Poythress web site if interested. > ___________________________________________________ > One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress are in > it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found Newman on > paper!!!!! :) Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress who married > William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary: > Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other > children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as: > Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch > Elizabeth Speed > Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch. > > It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I > think > the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it correctly) > This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. I did today > though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid the appraisal > fee, > surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 acre plots. Courthouse > road runs through it. (Any one know where that is??) I know Munsey Adams > started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was never printed. I hope some of my > relatives are in there, because I can't find tombstones for most of my > family in Mecklenburg. If I can follow this James Speed land enough, ...if > I > was really lucky, maybe a family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer > and > Sarah Poythress inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the > family was. Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of > Mecklenburg County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek. > _____________________________________________________ > Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of Sarah > Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if any of > them > could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they could be buried > with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I find for my family. > ___________________________________________________ > So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also > interested in these, email me off the list. > > I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon. > > Poythress: > -Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper > > -Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper > > -Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915 > > -Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper > > -Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper > > -Ann Poythress obit > > -Caroline Poythress obit > > Jones from 98th Regt. > -Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs) > > -Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs) > > -Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat > > -James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs > > -H. Anna Jones will and estate > > -J. C. Jones will > > -Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones) > > -Letter written by Zachariah Jones > > -Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding the > homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd > > > > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net > > > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about > Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

Julie, in answer to your question, we don't know where Lewis and Rebecca Poythress are buried. We do know he left his Mecklenburg land to two sons. It appears that one of them, Thomas M., stayed on the land, and we do know the location of his homestead and his grave. -----Original Message----- From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg Poythress friends, I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of William Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the State records center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took some people awhile to find out where it was. Fortunately the library of VA web site has been entering records for VA even ones that aren't currently in the archives. -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it may be awhile before I can get this. There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only copy so many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied to pick up later. (About a month) __________________________________________________ I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's dated 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that everything regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts were missing. It has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will, and one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can make a copy to go to the Poythress web site if interested. ___________________________________________________ One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress are in it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found Newman on paper!!!!! :) Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress who married William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary: Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as: Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch Elizabeth Speed Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch. It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I think the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it correctly) This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. I did today though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid the appraisal fee, surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 acre plots. Courthouse road runs through it. (Any one know where that is??) I know Munsey Adams started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was never printed. I hope some of my relatives are in there, because I can't find tombstones for most of my family in Mecklenburg. If I can follow this James Speed land enough, ...if I was really lucky, maybe a family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and Sarah Poythress inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the family was. Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of Mecklenburg County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek. _____________________________________________________ Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if any of them could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they could be buried with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I find for my family. ___________________________________________________ So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also interested in these, email me off the list. I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon. Poythress: -Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper -Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper -Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915 -Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper -Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper -Ann Poythress obit -Caroline Poythress obit Jones from 98th Regt. -Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs) -Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs) -Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat -James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs -H. Anna Jones will and estate -J. C. Jones will -Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones) -Letter written by Zachariah Jones -Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding the homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

Julie, I don't recall seeing this one before, or a death date for him. Thanks so much for sharing. For others on this list, this is William Lewis Poythress, son of Thomas M. Poythress, son of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg. I wonder if the other witness might have been William Tanner, husband of Sallie Poythress and thus brother-in-law of William Lewis Poythress? I have him down as William H. Tanner, but that middle initial is always tricky. By then William and Sallie would be occupying the Poythress "home place" at Blackridge. -----Original Message----- From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 2:19 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: will of WL Poythress Don't know if you have this, but just in case, here it is. Not the best handwriting, so here's my best guess. Note: initials change for the witness. Note: James John Kidd (Jimmy) became Foxhall Poythress father-in-law after this will. I'm guessing he is the witness, just wrong middle initial listed? Julie _________________________________________________ Will book 28, pg 347, year 1915 Will: WL Poythress Feby 2nd 1915 In the name of God amen (?). I W.L. Poythress being of a sound mind and knowing the uncertainty of life desining to make this my last will and testament. I give in fee simple to my son F. A. Poythress my entire worldly possessions. W. L. Poythress witnessed W. E. Tanner (?) J. G. Kidd In the clerk's office of Mecklenburg Circuit court April 6th, 1915 the last will and testament of W. L. Poythress died, late of this county, was this day produced before the clerk of said court in his office by F A Poythress and was fully proved by WC Tanner, one of the subscribing witnesses thereto, and thereupon the said will was admitted to record, as the last will and testament of the said W. L. Poythress, died. (or deed?) Teste H. F. Hutcheson, clerk ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Visit www.poythress.net o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/

Julie, it can get confusing, can't it. Let me offer some guidance from memory, and the rest of you chime in and correct with the facts. :-) 1) Lewis Poythress marries Elizabeth Giles, daughter of Edward Giles; to them are born sons Edward and John. 2) Elizabeth dies; Lewis Poythress marries Rebecca Taylor. 3) Edward Giles expires, leaving grandson, John, $100. 4) John dies in youth, before his grandfather's estate is settled, and leaves his Giles inheritance to his father, Lewis. 5) Lewis goes to court to get posession of the $100. Regarding "daughter of my daughter Betsey P. Giles", I don't know. Perhaps we have a Giles-Giles union here, or Martha is born out of wedlock. Regarding Edward's smaller bequest, I have not seen an explanation offered as to why he got 1/4 of what his brother received. Congratulations lining all these records out together; the first time I recall seeing them all on one page; and very nice transcribing, too. -----Original Message----- From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:22 AM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: questions about Lewis Poythress chancery I'm still learning Poythress connections, so I wanted to ask about the people in the chancery case. So is this Lewis Poythress in the chancery case the Lewis that married Elizabeth Patsey Giles and Rebecca Taylor? So if this is the same Lewis.... Is Lewis first wife Elizabeth Giles a cousin or something since his grandfather was Edward Giles Sr.? How is Edward Poythress related? Since he's in the same generation as Lewis, is he a brother? Also if Martha Giles is daughter of Betsey Giles, does that mean Betsey didn't marry? Or does that mean she married someone with the same name? I also thought it odd that Edward Poythress got 25$ when other men were getting 100$. I understand why the girls got a little more, like for dowry. I wonder if that means Edward was already doing well financially so he didn't need as much?? Also, the chancery case says John Poythress is Lewis father. Who is Lewis mother? Is she the Giles? Any relationship help with this Giles/Poythress family will be appreciated. Thanks, Julie ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

I'm still learning Poythress connections, so I wanted to ask about the people in the chancery case. So is this Lewis Poythress in the chancery case the Lewis that married Elizabeth Patsey Giles and Rebecca Taylor? So if this is the same Lewis.... Is Lewis first wife Elizabeth Giles a cousin or something since his grandfather was Edward Giles Sr.? How is Edward Poythress related? Since he's in the same generation as Lewis, is he a brother? Also if Martha Giles is daughter of Betsey Giles, does that mean Betsey didn't marry? Or does that mean she married someone with the same name? I also thought it odd that Edward Poythress got 25$ when other men were getting 100$. I understand why the girls got a little more, like for dowry. I wonder if that means Edward was already doing well financially so he didn't need as much?? Also, the chancery case says John Poythress is Lewis father. Who is Lewis mother? Is she the Giles? Any relationship help with this Giles/Poythress family will be appreciated. Thanks, Julie

I know the list can't take attachments, but this was typed in Microsoft Word and pasted in here. If you get lots of the greater than and less than signs, let me know if you'd like me to resend it to you off list as an attachment. Again, I'm not a handwriting expert, but I have been reading through a large number of cases, so I'm getting a little more familiar with the language. I will type and spell as the case shows. Unless I see an abbreviated name, word like "s" with the high "d" I would write as "said", and W with a high "M" I would write as William. Words I really wasn't sure about, I italicized, underlined and followed with a question mark. I've proofread this several times so I think it's ready to send now. Might want to view on full page for easier reading. Julie ________________________________________________ Lewis Poythress vs Edward Giles Adm. etc 1820-012 page one Lewis Poythress adm. of John Poythress Exr. apt. Edward Giles administrator of Edward Giles deed. Examine will of Edward Giles Sr. and of John Poythress and bring a will in chancery for a decree left by Edward Giles Sr. to John Poythress and which was willed by J. P. to Lewis Poythress. _____________break________________________ The commonwealth of Virginia to the Sheriff of Mecklenburg County, Greetings. You are hereby commanded to summon Edward Giles, administrator of Edward Giles deceased & Milly Nance, Edward Poythress, Martha Giles, Jane B. Bassey, John Giles, William Giles legator of deed, Edward Giles, said. to appear before the justices of our county court of Mecklenburg at the courthouse of the said county on the first day of August __________(written as a blank to fill in) Court next to answer a bill in chancery against them by Lewis Poythress, adm. pf John Poythress deceased, and then they in no wise shall miss under the penalty of 100$. And then have there this writ witness Edward S. Tabb, clerk of our said court the 27th day of June 1820 in the ____(written blank to be filled in) year of the commonwealth. Edward S. Tabb ____________________________________________________ page 2: 28 of July 1820 Executed on Martha Giles. And on the 31st of July 1820 Executed on Edward Giles and Milly Nance, Edward Poythress and Jane B. Basey and William Giles and John Giles. No inhabitants of this county Jones Daly Deputy of Lewis Parham Sheriff __________________________________________ Docket/back part of page 3: Poythress Vs. Giles 1820 August Bill filed, no further step take notice Sept court at ruler October rules. (some fees calculated) ___________________________________________________ page 3: To the worshipful court of Mecklenburg County in chancery setting humbly complaining sheweth to your worship, your orator Lewis Poythress, that some time past a certain Edward Giles departed this life having first published his will which is of record in the county court office of Mecklenburg, and is here referred to, wherein he bequeathed to John Poythress a legacy of one hundred dollars. That some time after the death of Edward Giles, the said John Poythress died having first published his will wherein he bequeathed the said legacy to your orator, -which is also of record and is here referred to as a part of this bill.- That a certain Edward Giles Jr. qualified as Exr. on the estate of Edward Giles the testator. That frequent applications have been made to the said (?) aforesaid both by the said John Poythress during his lifetime and by your orator since his death for a payment of the legacy aforesaid which he has always refused. That the other herein entitled as legators of the said Edward Giles deed are Milly Nance, Edward Poythress, Martha Giles an infant, Jean B. Basey wife of Jesse Bassey, John Giles, Edward Giles and William Giles.Your orator who has also qualified as administrator on the Estate of John Poythress pray that the said Edward Giles Exr. as aforesaid and the said Milly Nance, Edward Poythress, Martha Giles, by a guardian to be appointed her, Jesse Bassey and Jean B. Basey his wife, John Giles, the said Edward Giles in his own right and William Giles may be made defendants hereto. That the said Edward Giles Exr is aforesaid may be compelled to render an account paid, _?__ a! nd dealings as Executor and trust for the what estate there is in his hands, belonging to the testator first mentioned. And finally that your worship will decree that he should pay your orator the said legacy of one hundred dollars with its interest to which end may it please your worship to award a writ of subpena. ___________________________________________________ Docket, back part of page 4: Copy of Jack Poythress will (the number 70 is circled and written underneath these words) Poythress vs. Giles and Co.: Papers for suit in chancery. subp to August Court. Inquire of Lewis Poythress which of Edward Giles, Giles legators are married, and who are their husbands. Also as to the infant and is subpena in chancery. Milly Nance of Virginia and single. Edward Poythress of Virginia Martha Giles infant, by John Nance guardian Jean B. Bassey wife of Jesse Bassey John Giles North Carolina Edward Giles William Giles Tennessee __________________________________________________ Pg. 4, will of Jack Poythress: In the name of God Amen. I Jack Poythress of Mecklenburg County being in sound mind and memory do make and ordain this my last will and testament hearby. I desire what my grandfather Giles left to me. I wish it to be paid to my further his heir Lewis Poythress Jack (his mark) Poythress L. S. Edward Giles James L. Nance Milly Nance The court held for Mecklenburg County the 17th day of Aug 1818 This will was hereby the oath of James L. Nance one of the witness is thereto & was ordered to be recorded at another court held for said County, the 18th day of Jan 1819. The same was further proved by the oath of Edward Giles another Witness thereto and in mention of Lewis Poythress who made oath recorded gave bill and a security according to law. Certificate was granted him for obtaining letters for administration of the estate of the said Jack Poythress with the will aforesaid __?___ in deed form. (?) Teste Edmund L. Tabbs (?) Meckl. teste (?) BB Easley D.O. ______________________________________________________ page 5: In a court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of March 1818, The within written last will and Testament of Edward Giles deceased was exhibited in court and proved by the oath of three witnesses thereto subscribed and ordered to be recorded. And in mention of Edward Giles Jr., one of the Exrs therein named who made oath and gave bond and security according to law- certificate is granted him for obtaining probate of the said will in due form-Reserving (?) liberty to the other Exr. to be in the probate where he shall think fit. Teste Edward L Tabb Clerk Teste Wm. R. Easleys Copy Edward Giles will 79 (or 70) circles _____________________________________________________ page 6: Will of Edward Giles (Note: some parts very faded and ink ran. Hard to read) In the name of Almighty God, Amen. I Edward Giles of Mecklenburg County said state of Virginia doth make this my last will and testament . It is my will and desire that all my just debts and funeral expenses be first paid from the sale of my estates crop of tobacco B____ (beans?) & corn remaining in h___d and after these debts are paid It is my will and desire that all my remaining property both real and personal be sold on twelve month circuit and from the moneys earning from such sale or sales to be distributed as follows. Item first I give and bequeath unto my grand daughter Milly Nance two hundred dollars to her and her heirs Item second. I give and bequeath to my grandson Edward Poythress twenty five dollars to him and to his heirs. Item 3rd. I give & bequeath to my grandson John Poythress one hundred dollars to him and to his heirs. Item 4th. I give & bequeath to my grand daughter Martha Giles, daughter of my daughter Betsey P. Giles two hundred dollars to her and to her heirs. Item 5th and last. After all my just debts and funeral expenses and the above sequences are first paid it is my will and desire that the remainder of my estate be equally divided amongst my four living children Jean P. Bassey, John Giles, Edward Giles, and William Giles to each of them and their heirs. Given under my hand this 10th day of March 1818. I appoint Edward Giles Jr and John Bassey Exrs. to this my last will and testament. Signed and Sealed in presence of Edward (his mark) Giles L. S. Bushrod Webb John Cook Sr. Henry (his mark) Wartman _____________________________________________________ This is all left of the chancery case. No reply by Edward to the charges, no hearings, no proof of payment on either side. But this is what is in the chancery case. It is great that it has two will though. Thanks, Julie Cabitto

I noticed an seeming contradiction on reading Julie's posting of the marriage notices. Virginia Gazette and Independent Chronicle, Sept 24, 1788 pg., 3, col 4, film #44 On Saturday last, Roger Atkinson jun., Esq. to Miss Agnes Poythress, of Prince George, 6th daughter of the late Peter Poythress. This Agnes is my 4th great grandmother, so I was particularly interested in her. The entry says "6th daughter...". According to RBB's dates, she is the 7th daughter: Anne-1757, Elizabeth-1759, Mary "Polly"-1762, Lucy-1764, Sarah "Sally"-1768, Susanna-1769, Agnes-1771, and Jane-1773. I could just be a miscount on the part of the paper. Does anyone have any info that might shed any light on this? Thanks, Ted Kingsbury

Don't know if you have this, but just in case, here it is. Not the best handwriting, so here's my best guess. Note: initials change for the witness. Note: James John Kidd (Jimmy) became Foxhall Poythress father-in-law after this will. I'm guessing he is the witness, just wrong middle initial listed? Julie _________________________________________________ Will book 28, pg 347, year 1915 Will: WL Poythress Feby 2nd 1915 In the name of God amen (?). I W.L. Poythress being of a sound mind and knowing the uncertainty of life desining to make this my last will and testament. I give in fee simple to my son F. A. Poythress my entire worldly possessions. W. L. Poythress witnessed W. E. Tanner (?) J. G. Kidd In the clerk's office of Mecklenburg Circuit court April 6th, 1915 the last will and testament of W. L. Poythress died, late of this county, was this day produced before the clerk of said court in his office by F A Poythress and was fully proved by WC Tanner, one of the subscribing witnesses thereto, and thereupon the said will was admitted to record, as the last will and testament of the said W. L. Poythress, died. (or deed?) Teste H. F. Hutcheson, clerk

Here's the articles I told you about. I did actually print copies, if anyone wants a scanned copy, I do have a scanner. Not sure how great a scanning of a copy will turn out though...Here are the articles in their entirety. Pg= page and col= column # Hope you enjoy. There are about 7 more articles I wrote down to get, so I'll get them next trip. Virginia Gazette is a different newspaper than Virginia Gazette and Independent Chronicle. Love, Julie Petersburg Index & Appeal (film # 106), Sept 19, 1876 pg. 2, col 2: (Julie's Note: on index shows up as Alexander but there are about 3 spaces between first name George and Middle name Alexander.) Married: Poythress-Davis-At the Virginia House, Christiansburg, VA Sept 16th, 1876, by the Reverend Daniel Blair, pastor Presbyterian Church, Prof. George Alexander Poythress of Petersburg, VA to Ella Mau Davis, of Galveston, TX. No cards. ___________________________________________________ Richmond Enquirer, Oct 8, 1824 pg. 3, col#5 Departed this life on Friday the first of October in the eighth year of her age, Caroline Poythress, eldest daughter of Capt. Thomas E. Poythress of Charles City County. ___________________________________________________ Virginia Gazette and Independent Chronicle, Sept 24, 1788 pg., 3, col 4, film #44 On Saturday last, Roger Atkinson jun., Esq. to Miss Agnes Poythress, of Prince George, 6th daughter of the late Peter Poythress. ___________________________________________________ Virginia Gazette, June 28, 1780, film #44, reel#2 Marriages: Mr. John Batte of Prince George to Miss Polly Poythress, daughter of Colonel Peter Poythress, of the same county. ___________________________________________________ Richmond Enquirer, July 13, 1832, pg 3, col 6 Died: On the 7th instant, at Kittiewan, in Charles City County, Anne Maria, the only child of Thomas E. and B. Poythress, in the 11th year of her age, with scarlet fever, after an illness of 36 hours. ___________________________________________________ Petersburg Intelligencer Tues. Jan 28, 1806 pg. 3, col 1 (film #51) (Julie's note: Eppes was only spelled with one "P") : On Thursday the 23rd inst. Mr. John Epes, to Lucy Poythress, both of Prince George County. ___________________________________________________

Well, with the single exception of the Wm P. stuff, looks like you did some first class digging. Can't wait to see it all. Great job. Thanks. Maynard -----Original Message----- From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg Poythress friends, I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of William Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the State records center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took some people awhile to find out where it was. Fortunately the library of VA web site has been entering records for VA even ones that aren't currently in the archives. -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it may be awhile before I can get this. There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only copy so many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied to pick up later. (About a month) __________________________________________________ I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's dated 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that everything regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts were missing. It has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will, and one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can make a copy to go to the Poythress web site if interested. ___________________________________________________ One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress are in it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found Newman on paper!!!!! :) Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress who married William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary: Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as: Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch Elizabeth Speed Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch. It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I think the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it correctly) This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. I did today though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid the appraisal fee, surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 acre plots. Courthouse road runs through it. (Any one know where that is??) I know Munsey Adams started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was never printed. I hope some of my relatives are in there, because I can't find tombstones for most of my family in Mecklenburg. If I can follow this James Speed land enough, ...if I was really lucky, maybe a family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and Sarah Poythress inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the family was. Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of Mecklenburg County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek. _____________________________________________________ Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if any of them could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they could be buried with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I find for my family. ___________________________________________________ So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also interested in these, email me off the list. I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon. Poythress: -Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper -Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper -Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915 -Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper -Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper -Ann Poythress obit -Caroline Poythress obit Jones from 98th Regt. -Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs) -Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs) -Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat -James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs -H. Anna Jones will and estate -J. C. Jones will -Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones) -Letter written by Zachariah Jones -Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding the homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net