I've only recently discovered how much genealogical data is in these - if you're dealing with one of the high-profile families. The key to their use for genealogy is to use the "supplemental index." In the early volumes you will find Francis Poythress listed as "Poythers." -----Original Message----- From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:27 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Henings Statutes A sainted soul named Fred Spradlin is transcribing the entire 13 volumes of Henings' Statues at Large which is a compendium of laws passed in Virginia from 1619 to 1792. He has completed 4 volumes. There is an every name index. It is free and the site is http://vagenweb.org/hening/ Francis Poythers appears 6 times in volume 1 and these listings are identical to the ones Swem indexed. Maynard ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

A sainted soul named Fred Spradlin is transcribing the entire 13 volumes of Henings' Statues at Large which is a compendium of laws passed in Virginia from 1619 to 1792. He has completed 4 volumes. There is an every name index. It is free and the site is http://vagenweb.org/hening/ Francis Poythers appears 6 times in volume 1 and these listings are identical to the ones Swem indexed. Maynard

FRANKFORT - Tucked in the state Capitol's cavernous basement is an office cubbyhole containing volumes upon volumes of large books tracing the history of land in Kentucky. Those books, many of which have been hidden from the public eye for years, are now available worldwide on the Internet. They're part of the collection in the Secretary of State's Land Office. Now, historians, genealogists and those who are just plain curious can go online, at www.sos.ky.gov, and access a plethora of scanned images of historical land documents. And there are more available every day. The agency launched its redesigned Web site late last month, giving people fingertip access to thousands of handwritten historical documents. "Our new Kentucky Land Office Web site represents a researcher's dream," Secretary of State Trey Grayson said. Original land warrants, complete with red wax seals, dating back to before Kentucky was a state are there. "It's almost three-dimensional, isn't it? You want to touch this," Kandie Adkinson, an administrator in the office, says as she points at her computer screen. "This is available around the world." The secretary of state's office has been responsible for housing and maintaining Kentucky's land records since the 1930s, Adkinson said. Years ago, they were kept folded up in brown envelopes and bound with twine. Some were kept in boxes. Many were available on microfilm. But people had to know exactly what they were looking for if they were to be much help. Today, they're a virtual electronic gold mine for historians, attorneys, surveyors and others in search of historical land documents. Technology has allowed the agency to create a system that allows users to sort through them electronically. Veterans of the French and Indian War and the American Revolution were issued land warrants as payment for their military service. A soldier's rank dictated the number of acres to which he was entitled. Those warrants could then be used to obtain land patents -- also available online. Original patent documents and land surveys are there, along with the Virginia and Kentucky general assemblies' acts that created the state's 120 counties. The bound collection housed in the Capitol contains more than 1,000 volumes. Adkinson and her small team are working to get the rest of the collection up. "People will not only be able to know they exist, they'll be able to research them, and ideally they'll be able to see them," Adkinson said "Then what they do to preserve their family history will benefit all of us, because that's the history of Kentucky." To all: Above as information. Immediately on a Poythress search will pop up William Poythress (Lt./Capt.) who received a 4000 acre grant in Kentucky for Rev. War service. We are fortunate to have the 1794 will of William Poythress (RBB 211 2, m. Mary Gilliam) because a copy was brought to KY, likely as a part of trying to claim William's 4000 acres by his sons. On a separate track in VA, sons Joshua, Thomas & William were petitioning the government to pay them the "balance oweing" to their father for Rev. War service on the last 5 of his 8 years service. This petition does not appear to have been successful. A Joshua Poythress (presumably the same as above) was tussling his way through the KY court system with 5 various lawsuits against defendants Porter (3), J. S. Wilson (1) and Y. Carson (1) as late as 1827....all of those documents (I'm guessing) don't seem to be on the KY website advertised so they are probably still in the "bundles" I was told about in 1999. In any case, I don't know that we have any direct descendants of that particular line so I'll try to get over to Frankfort in the future to see if they will let me "unbundled" the documents. This will make an interesting piece of family history. At the time we were looking at this back around 2000, Craig Scott (I'm going on memory here) made a pretty good case that this Joshua Poythress was the fellow who wound up in New Jersey and lived to a ripe old age. I may need to be set straight on some of my "facts" in this case but we don't have nearly all the evidence yet. Any helpful comments will be appreciated and added to the file if they ever let me into the "bundles" in Frankfort. Maynard

Thanks, Maynard, for the update on these long-inaccessible KY records. BPN

Barbara....the entire crowd is precisely as you spell out. The whole 2 generations of WPP's family are easy to visualize on the Batte chart where the 2 William P's (William Peterson Poythress & William Powhatan Poythress)are RBB 211 241 and RBB 211 241 3. William Peterson Poythress captained a blockade runner and either died (or was killed) in Bermuda in 1862. I thought there was a pic of that 4 oz. "Poythress Drug Company" bottle on the website but it's not there. You remember that spooky story about its origin: BPW's brother Victor Poythress who runs (or ran) a charter fishing boat in Alaska fished it out of a net he was bringing in on some offshore Alaska site. As I recall the date on the bottle was 1850. I have a couple of flea market prowlers in VA with whom I have posted an APB to snag me one of those bottles if they ever see one....but I'm not holding my breath. Maynard -----Original Message----- From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:41 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Wm P Poythress Druggist - in the Foxhall Poythress line? "s b" (one of our quiet List members who is in the line descended from Foxhall Poythress), recently mentioned to me that "One of our/my ancestors" William P Poythress, was a druggist who had the "Poythress Drug Company" in Richmond, VA. I have gathered what info I can readily find about this druggist in what I have here on my computer. If anyone else can please help me round out this William P. Poythress, druggist, for my records, I sure would appreciate it. I readily admit that I've missed fully digesting a LOT of List messages due to family elder-care problems, so if any of you recognize that there was something identifiable with this man or his family in them, please let me know that, too. Below is what I've found so far. Thanks, BPN (Barbara Poythress Neal) Back in March 2001 we had some list messages about this man, including my (BPN) transcription on 29 March 2001 of a brief history of the pharmaceutical company that BPW (Barbara Poythress Wolfe) had obtained years earlier. It doesn't clarify when he was born, and it mentions no children for him; perhaps he didn't have any children? Today I looked thru Elaine Poythress Criddle's great census compilations of Poythress info, backtracking from the 1880 one when he is listed as a druggist in his mother's household, with his wife & 2 siblings & a boarder lady & her grandson. I found: The identifiable family members for William P. Poythress, who became the druggist owning Poythress Drug Company in Richmond, were: - his father was William, per 1889-90 Richmond City Directory entry re his mother - his mother was Charlotte -- she was already widowed by the time of the 1850 Census - an older brother, Patrick Henry (later just Henry) Poythress who was born in about 1846. He may have died young, since I don't readily find him as either Henry or Patrick Henry in the census compilation after 1860. - William P. Poythress (later the druggist) who was born in about 1847-48. From the brief history of the Poythress Drug Company, we know that he was still alive after World War I began and drew most of the doctors from the building where the drugstore was located, which caused Poythress Drug Company to cease to be THE drugstore of Richmond. The history continues, "Mr. Poythress, getting old and feeble, sold his share of the business to younger men and, after clerking awhile in the store he once owned 'to give the boys a start' retired and a little later died." - a sister, Sarah/Sally/Sallie R. who was born in about 1852. She apparently never married, per the below 1910 census info. - a brother Walter E., born in about 1862 We also know that William P. Poythress had a wife, Louisa C., who was born about 1853, whom he married in about 1880 (See 1910 census). Interestingly, there was in Petersburg, VA a different William Poythress (William D. Poythress) who was about 10 years older (born in about 1837) than William P. Poythress, and who was also married to an older Louisa (born in about 1835). This Petersburg couple were the parents of little Mollie Poythress. These 3 Petersburg Poythresses are buried at Blandford Cemetery in Petersburg. I've compiled my above list of family members for William P. Poythress, the druggist, from Elaine's census compilation of VA Poythress info: 1910 Henrico County HH 101 - of George P. Grant, Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 7B, ED 139, 21 Apr. Poythress, William P., boarder, male, white, age 62, married 30 yrs., VA,VA,VA, druggist, emp., , Louise C., boarder, female, white, age 57, married 30 yrs., VA,VA,VA HH 94 - Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 9A, ED 140, 19-23 Apr. Paythress, Sallie R., female, white, age 58, VA,VA,VA, rents house, 5 lodgers living in her home [Note: 1900 I didn't see Henrico County or City of Richmond listed in the compilation.] Supplement/Richmond VA City Directories 1889-90 - Poythress, Charlotte, [BPN NOTE: This is the mother of the druggist, per census records below] 2904 Broad E. Richmond, VA 1889,1890 Widow of William P. - 1890 Poythress, William P., occupation-druggist, business name-T Roberts Baker [BPN NOTE: this was then the drug company's name; see my 29 Mar 2001 message in our Poythress-List message archives for more details] 2912 Broad E., Richmond, VA 1889-1890 1880 Henrico County HH 98 - Richmond/2nd Prec. Marchall Ward, page 371B, ED 92, 4 June Poythress, C., white, female, age ?64, widowed/divorced, VA,?CAN, VA , W.P., white, male, age 32, son, married, druggist, VA,VA,VA , S.C., white, female, age 30, daughter-in-law, married, VA,VA,VA [BPN NOTE: We should re-check the census-taker's handwriting to see if his wife's initials might be "L.C." since in the above 1910 Census, she is "Louisa C." and they had been married 30 yrs by 1910. Many of the old handwriting samples make it difficult to see the difference in an initial of "L" and one of "S"] , Sallie R., white, female, age 28, daughter, VA,VA,VA , W.E., white, male, age 18, son, clerk, VA,VA,VA Dunn, S.A., white, female, age 57, boarder, VA,VA,VA Marks, Henry, white, male, age 14, gr.son, VA,VA,VA In 1870, Wm was apparently elsewhere - in school perhaps? -- because he was not in his mother's household: 1870 Henrico County HH 716 - Richmond City/Marshall Ward, page 193, 6 July Poytress, Charlotte, age 45, female, white, $150 personal est., born VA , Sarah R., age 18, female, white, born VA , Walter E., age 8, male, white, born VA 1860 Henrico County HH 563 - Richmond Ward 1, page 105, 6 July Portres, Scharlott, age 38, female, born VA , Henry, age 14, male, born VA, attends school , William, age 13, male, born VA, attends school , Sally, age 8, female, born VA, attends school 1850 VA, Henrico County HH 240 - of Elias Reed, Richmond Twp., page 251, 28 Aug. Poythress, Charlotte, age 25, female, born VA , Patrick Henry, age 4, male, born VA , William D., age 2, male, born VA [BPN NOTE: I feel sure from the mother & brother, & from it being in Henrico County, that this is really William P. Poythress] ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

Thanks for the location, Randy. BPN Randy Jones wrote: > http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/bio/BA.html

http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/bio/BA.html "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> wrote:Randy, can you please refresh my memory about how to get to the Batte card files at the Library of VA website? I thought I had it bookmarked, but I can't find it. And it's probably User Error, but unfortunately I'm not finding their website very user friendly for locating the card files either. Thanks, Barbara ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks Maynard for his father's name. Yeah, we used to have a photo of the bottle on the website, but I can't find it right now either. And actually BPW's brother Victor found the bottle in "1984 at Bear Island, Florida (Oklawaha & St. John's River)" per her notes with my copy of the photo of it that she sent me many years ago. She also noted that the bottle (which has a screw-on metal cap) was manufactured in the early 1940s. The date on the bottle's front indeed says 1856, which is when the firm began. If you really want one of the Poythress bottles, you ought to check periodically on EBay. I found one there a couple of yrs ago. Cheers, Barbara

Randy, can you please refresh my memory about how to get to the Batte card files at the Library of VA website? I thought I had it bookmarked, but I can't find it. And it's probably User Error, but unfortunately I'm not finding their website very user friendly for locating the card files either. Thanks, Barbara

Thanks, Randy! Randy Jones wrote: > William Powhatan Poythress (c.1847-1920) by Louisa Campbell Mayo > (1849-1927) had two daughters, both named Charlotte Reed Poythress. > The fist was born 9 Feb 1880 and died 29 May 1880. The second was > born in 1881 and died 1906. This information comes from the Robert > Bolling Batte card files online in the Library of Virginia. > > -- Randy Jones

William Powhatan Poythress (c.1847-1920) by Louisa Campbell Mayo (1849-1927) had two daughters, both named Charlotte Reed Poythress. The fist was born 9 Feb 1880 and died 29 May 1880. The second was born in 1881 and died 1906. This information comes from the Robert Bolling Batte card files online in the Library of Virginia. -- Randy Jones "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal@earthlink.net> wrote: "s b" (one of our quiet List members who is in the line descended from Foxhall Poythress), recently mentioned to me that "One of our/my ancestors" William P Poythress, was a druggist who had the "Poythress Drug Company" in Richmond, VA. I have gathered what info I can readily find about this druggist in what I have here on my computer. If anyone else can please help me round out this William P. Poythress, druggist, for my records, I sure would appreciate it. I readily admit that I've missed fully digesting a LOT of List messages due to family elder-care problems, so if any of you recognize that there was something identifiable with this man or his family in them, please let me know that, too. Below is what I've found so far. Thanks, BPN (Barbara Poythress Neal) Back in March 2001 we had some list messages about this man, including my (BPN) transcription on 29 March 2001 of a brief history of the pharmaceutical company that BPW (Barbara Poythress Wolfe) had obtained years earlier. It doesn't clarify when he was born, and it mentions no children for him; perhaps he didn't have any children? Today I looked thru Elaine Poythress Criddle's great census compilations of Poythress info, backtracking from the 1880 one when he is listed as a druggist in his mother's household, with his wife & 2 siblings & a boarder lady & her grandson. I found: The identifiable family members for William P. Poythress, who became the druggist owning Poythress Drug Company in Richmond, were: - his father was William, per 1889-90 Richmond City Directory entry re his mother - his mother was Charlotte -- she was already widowed by the time of the 1850 Census - an older brother, Patrick Henry (later just Henry) Poythress who was born in about 1846. He may have died young, since I don't readily find him as either Henry or Patrick Henry in the census compilation after 1860. - William P. Poythress (later the druggist) who was born in about 1847-48. From the brief history of the Poythress Drug Company, we know that he was still alive after World War I began and drew most of the doctors from the building where the drugstore was located, which caused Poythress Drug Company to cease to be THE drugstore of Richmond. The history continues, "Mr. Poythress, getting old and feeble, sold his share of the business to younger men and, after clerking awhile in the store he once owned 'to give the boys a start' retired and a little later died." - a sister, Sarah/Sally/Sallie R. who was born in about 1852. She apparently never married, per the below 1910 census info. - a brother Walter E., born in about 1862 We also know that William P. Poythress had a wife, Louisa C., who was born about 1853, whom he married in about 1880 (See 1910 census). Interestingly, there was in Petersburg, VA a different William Poythress (William D. Poythress) who was about 10 years older (born in about 1837) than William P. Poythress, and who was also married to an older Louisa (born in about 1835). This Petersburg couple were the parents of little Mollie Poythress. These 3 Petersburg Poythresses are buried at Blandford Cemetery in Petersburg. I've compiled my above list of family members for William P. Poythress, the druggist, from Elaine's census compilation of VA Poythress info: 1910 Henrico County HH 101 – of George P. Grant, Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 7B, ED 139, 21 Apr. Poythress, William P., boarder, male, white, age 62, married 30 yrs., VA,VA,VA, druggist, emp., , Louise C., boarder, female, white, age 57, married 30 yrs., VA,VA,VA HH 94 – Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 9A, ED 140, 19-23 Apr. Paythress, Sallie R., female, white, age 58, VA,VA,VA, rents house, 5 lodgers living in her home [Note: 1900 I didn't see Henrico County or City of Richmond listed in the compilation.] Supplement/Richmond VA City Directories 1889-90 - Poythress, Charlotte, [BPN NOTE: This is the mother of the druggist, per census records below] 2904 Broad E. Richmond, VA 1889,1890 Widow of William P. - 1890 Poythress, William P., occupation-druggist, business name-T Roberts Baker [BPN NOTE: this was then the drug company's name; see my 29 Mar 2001 message in our Poythress-List message archives for more details] 2912 Broad E., Richmond, VA 1889-1890 1880 Henrico County HH 98 – Richmond/2nd Prec. Marchall Ward, page 371B, ED 92, 4 June Poythress, C., white, female, age ?64, widowed/divorced, VA,?CAN, VA , W.P., white, male, age 32, son, married, druggist, VA,VA,VA , S.C., white, female, age 30, daughter-in-law, married, VA,VA,VA [BPN NOTE: We should re-check the census-taker's handwriting to see if his wife's initials might be "L.C." since in the above 1910 Census, she is "Louisa C." and they had been married 30 yrs by 1910. Many of the old handwriting samples make it difficult to see the difference in an initial of "L" and one of "S"] , Sallie R., white, female, age 28, daughter, VA,VA,VA , W.E., white, male, age 18, son, clerk, VA,VA,VA Dunn, S.A., white, female, age 57, boarder, VA,VA,VA Marks, Henry, white, male, age 14, gr.son, VA,VA,VA In 1870, Wm was apparently elsewhere - in school perhaps? -- because he was not in his mother's household: 1870 Henrico County HH 716 – Richmond City/Marshall Ward, page 193, 6 July Poytress, Charlotte, age 45, female, white, $150 personal est., born VA , Sarah R., age 18, female, white, born VA , Walter E., age 8, male, white, born VA 1860 Henrico County HH 563 – Richmond Ward 1, page 105, 6 July Portres, Scharlott, age 38, female, born VA , Henry, age 14, male, born VA, attends school , William, age 13, male, born VA, attends school , Sally, age 8, female, born VA, attends school 1850 VA, Henrico County HH 240 – of Elias Reed, Richmond Twp., page 251, 28 Aug. Poythress, Charlotte, age 25, female, born VA , Patrick Henry, age 4, male, born VA , William D., age 2, male, born VA [BPN NOTE: I feel sure from the mother & brother, & from it being in Henrico County, that this is really William P. Poythress] ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

"s b" (one of our quiet List members who is in the line descended from Foxhall Poythress), recently mentioned to me that "One of our/my ancestors" William P Poythress, was a druggist who had the "Poythress Drug Company" in Richmond, VA. I have gathered what info I can readily find about this druggist in what I have here on my computer. If anyone else can please help me round out this William P. Poythress, druggist, for my records, I sure would appreciate it. I readily admit that I've missed fully digesting a LOT of List messages due to family elder-care problems, so if any of you recognize that there was something identifiable with this man or his family in them, please let me know that, too. Below is what I've found so far. Thanks, BPN (Barbara Poythress Neal) Back in March 2001 we had some list messages about this man, including my (BPN) transcription on 29 March 2001 of a brief history of the pharmaceutical company that BPW (Barbara Poythress Wolfe) had obtained years earlier. It doesn't clarify when he was born, and it mentions no children for him; perhaps he didn't have any children? Today I looked thru Elaine Poythress Criddle's great census compilations of Poythress info, backtracking from the 1880 one when he is listed as a druggist in his mother's household, with his wife & 2 siblings & a boarder lady & her grandson. I found: The identifiable family members for William P. Poythress, who became the druggist owning Poythress Drug Company in Richmond, were: - his father was William, per 1889-90 Richmond City Directory entry re his mother - his mother was Charlotte -- she was already widowed by the time of the 1850 Census - an older brother, Patrick Henry (later just Henry) Poythress who was born in about 1846. He may have died young, since I don't readily find him as either Henry or Patrick Henry in the census compilation after 1860. - William P. Poythress (later the druggist) who was born in about 1847-48. From the brief history of the Poythress Drug Company, we know that he was still alive after World War I began and drew most of the doctors from the building where the drugstore was located, which caused Poythress Drug Company to cease to be THE drugstore of Richmond. The history continues, "Mr. Poythress, getting old and feeble, sold his share of the business to younger men and, after clerking awhile in the store he once owned 'to give the boys a start' retired and a little later died." - a sister, Sarah/Sally/Sallie R. who was born in about 1852. She apparently never married, per the below 1910 census info. - a brother Walter E., born in about 1862 We also know that William P. Poythress had a wife, Louisa C., who was born about 1853, whom he married in about 1880 (See 1910 census). Interestingly, there was in Petersburg, VA a different William Poythress (William D. Poythress) who was about 10 years older (born in about 1837) than William P. Poythress, and who was also married to an older Louisa (born in about 1835). This Petersburg couple were the parents of little Mollie Poythress. These 3 Petersburg Poythresses are buried at Blandford Cemetery in Petersburg. I've compiled my above list of family members for William P. Poythress, the druggist, from Elaine's census compilation of VA Poythress info: 1910 Henrico County HH 101 – of George P. Grant, Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 7B, ED 139, 21 Apr. Poythress, William P., boarder, male, white, age 62, married 30 yrs., VA,VA,VA, druggist, emp., , Louise C., boarder, female, white, age 57, married 30 yrs., VA,VA,VA HH 94 – Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 9A, ED 140, 19-23 Apr. Paythress, Sallie R., female, white, age 58, VA,VA,VA, rents house, 5 lodgers living in her home [Note: 1900 I didn't see Henrico County or City of Richmond listed in the compilation.] Supplement/Richmond VA City Directories 1889-90 - Poythress, Charlotte, [BPN NOTE: This is the mother of the druggist, per census records below] 2904 Broad E. Richmond, VA 1889,1890 Widow of William P. - 1890 Poythress, William P., occupation-druggist, business name-T Roberts Baker [BPN NOTE: this was then the drug company's name; see my 29 Mar 2001 message in our Poythress-List message archives for more details] 2912 Broad E., Richmond, VA 1889-1890 1880 Henrico County HH 98 – Richmond/2nd Prec. Marchall Ward, page 371B, ED 92, 4 June Poythress, C., white, female, age ?64, widowed/divorced, VA,?CAN, VA , W.P., white, male, age 32, son, married, druggist, VA,VA,VA , S.C., white, female, age 30, daughter-in-law, married, VA,VA,VA [BPN NOTE: We should re-check the census-taker's handwriting to see if his wife's initials might be "L.C." since in the above 1910 Census, she is "Louisa C." and they had been married 30 yrs by 1910. Many of the old handwriting samples make it difficult to see the difference in an initial of "L" and one of "S"] , Sallie R., white, female, age 28, daughter, VA,VA,VA , W.E., white, male, age 18, son, clerk, VA,VA,VA Dunn, S.A., white, female, age 57, boarder, VA,VA,VA Marks, Henry, white, male, age 14, gr.son, VA,VA,VA In 1870, Wm was apparently elsewhere - in school perhaps? -- because he was not in his mother's household: 1870 Henrico County HH 716 – Richmond City/Marshall Ward, page 193, 6 July Poytress, Charlotte, age 45, female, white, $150 personal est., born VA , Sarah R., age 18, female, white, born VA , Walter E., age 8, male, white, born VA 1860 Henrico County HH 563 – Richmond Ward 1, page 105, 6 July Portres, Scharlott, age 38, female, born VA , Henry, age 14, male, born VA, attends school , William, age 13, male, born VA, attends school , Sally, age 8, female, born VA, attends school 1850 VA, Henrico County HH 240 – of Elias Reed, Richmond Twp., page 251, 28 Aug. Poythress, Charlotte, age 25, female, born VA , Patrick Henry, age 4, male, born VA , William D., age 2, male, born VA [BPN NOTE: I feel sure from the mother & brother, & from it being in Henrico County, that this is really William P. Poythress]

Pertinent to Maynard's message discussing Wm & James Poythress (in strings to pull on, in his message re the DNA context), I found in our Poythress-List message archives the message I posted on 24 Feb 1999 in which I transcribed the pages found by Jane, one of our lurkers who was able to get the needed pages copied at a good library in south FL. I transcribed the limited information about the Poythress men (various spellings) listed on the rolls. It was my strong opinion after studying the dates and the Rolls, that there were only a total of 2 Poythress men in these Rolls: William, who was promoted as high as 1st Lt eventually, and James, who always appeared as a Private. The information came from two publications from the same series of Muster Rolls. There were indeed dates in the material, and the dates ranged from 1838 to 1841, with one date that listed 1843. To see the entire transcription message (or to find LOTS of other helpful information posted in these past 8 years on various subjects), go to our message archives. The easiest way is from our Poythress research website, www.poythress.net At our website, if you use Microsoft's Internet Explorer for your access to the internet, put your cursor on the grey-colored band near the top (just under the name of the website), and slide your mouse around until you see the choices below that for "Keyword Search Poythress Message Archives" and "Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year." You can then use the month & date search to go to 1999, February, and on the 24th you'll see the whole message captioned "FL Muster Rolls Seminole Wars" Alternatively, you can use the keyword search function in the year 1999 to search on Seminole or on Muster Rolls. If you use Netscape for your access to the internet, at our Poythress website along the top border you'll actually see "Message Archives" and my placing your cursor on that, the two choices of how to search the archives will show up just below that. Slide your mouse down & over to whichever way you want to search. Happy hunting thru the archives for whatever you want to find.

To all but especially Linda & Debbie: Without addressing the technicalities of the DNA questions, I think Vern Poythress' known information (confirmed by DNA) gives us some interesting threads to pull on....while the documentation is limited the rest of all looks to me like it wants to fall into some kind of pattern. Start with three pieces of baseline information. FIRST, Barbara's conclusions from the DNA tests: "The first one of those 37-marker tests' results became available today for Vern, who knows he is a gg-grandson of William E. Poythress (who lived in Georgia from 1833-1907) & Martha J. Usher." "Vern's first 25 markers are exactly the same as those for John B. Poythress, who also knows he is a gg-grandson of William E. Poythress (who lived in Georgia from 1833-1907) & Martha J. Usher." "Further: Vern's first 25 markers are also exactly the same as those for Gene Poythress, Sr, of Florida, who knows that he is a grandson of John P.(probably Price) Poythress (who lived in Florida from 1833-1905) & Mary Ann Dolan." SECOND, plug in the dates of the 3 Seminole wars: 1817-18, 1835-42, and 1855-58. This may be significant later when looking at the pension data. My theory (and it's ALL theory unless I cite a fact) here is that we have enough links to suggest kinship between the elusive Messrs. James P. Poythress and William E. Poythress....or, and here's the big hooker, the matching DNA results might only be suggesting a common ancestor further back. (as in Virginia probably). THIRD, FL service rolls show the following service: Poythress, James, Private, Vol. 7 Portress, William, Private, Vol. 7 Poythress, William T., 1st Lt, Vol. 7 Poythress, William T., Sgt., Vol. 7 Poythrys, William, 2nd Lt, Vol. 2 Porthrys, William, 2nd Lt, Vol. 2 Porthress, Wm. T, 2nd Lt, Vol. 7 The above service records are badly flawed information because we don't have any dates of service. A list member retrieved the above for us some years ago. The dates of service were either not listed or she didn't record them. This could be rechecked if we have a Florida volunteer. Here is my chronology and I'll leave it to Linda and Debbie to chase this one to ground because they have forgotten more about this branch than I'll ever know. 1790 (about) Presumed birth of James P. Poythress subtracting 21 years from the date of his first legal document. MCH 1811 James P. Poythress buys a lot in Jacksonborough (once a "planned" town to be the county seat of Screven County but the plan never materialized). The sellers are John & Mary Smith which I deem unremarkable. OCT 1814 James P. Poythress sells lot # 20 in Jacksonborough to Benjamin Freeman. The document shows James P. Poythress to be married to Mary Poythress who co-signed the deed. The deed is witnessed by "John Price"....perhaps the father of Mary and a darn good reason to name a son John Price Poythress. Mar 1816 James P. Poythress sells another lot to Benjamin Freeman. Same details. Oct 1821 James P. Poythress buys land on courthouse steps sold by the sheriff (suggesting to me that James P. Poythress is well off enough to participate in one of these transactions). Dec 1826 James P. Poythress sells 200 acres to Nicholas Barry. Deed signed James P. Poythress with no wife Mary as a signatory. Since James P. closes on his Gadsden County, FL grant in June 1827 we might assume he is lightening up to move to FL. Document is otherwise unremarkable. June 1827 James P. Poythress signs IN FL for his FL land in Gadsden County. Linda Clark Smith reports that the land currently known as "Poythress homeplace" is NOW in WESTERN Gadsden County and is property originally belonging to the family of Mary Ann Dolan, who married John P(rice?)Poythress in 1866. July 1827 George Poythress of Burke County procures land in adjoining Jackson Co., FL and will later die there, leaving a will referring to brother "Lewis Poythress" in Mecklenburg County, VA. 24 JAN 1828 Masonic Lodge formed in Gadsden County, first meeting on date above. Present (among others): James P. Poythress Aug 1828 James P. Poythress sells 200 acres to William Poythress for a nominal $5 suggesting a "family" price. The deed cites the two individuals as "of the same place"...Screven Co, GA or Gadsden Co, FL? This is, of course, NOT William E. Poythress who wasn't born until 1833. 1830 Census Gadsden County, FL. Males in HH James P. Poythress, 1 M under 5, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 15-19, 1 M 40-49 (the last likely James himself). 1830 Census Jackson County, FL HH= Addison Mandell, almost a cinch to be husband of Mary Elizabeth Poythess Mandell, George Poythress' daughter. In the HH is 1 M under 5. This family is no longer in Jackson County in 1840. 1845 James Poythress votes in Chattahoochee, FL in the first statewide election. 9 Jan 1846 James P. Poythress gets additional land in Gadsden County per FL land records. Dec 1846 A William T. Poythress (of Screven County) sells the above same 200 acres to Charles Stewart, 18 years after William Poythress bought it. Question: Is William T. Poythress selling the land to retire from farming or is William T. selling land he inherited from the William Poythress of the deed above? Mar 1847 William T. Poythress sells another 250 acres to Matthew Parker and Charles C. Stewart, attorney, handles the transction for William T. The same question remains: is this William E. or William T.? This would seem to correlate with William OR William T.'s appearance on the service rolls serving in a Seminole Indian war. Mar 1862 John P(rice?) Poythress enlists Confederate States Army in Caddo Parrish, LA. Wounded and captured at Battle of Stones River (Murphreesboro) Jan 1863 and exchanged at City Pt., VA May 1863 and discharged Aug 1863. PURE GUESSWORK: I'd make William E. Poythress the son of James P. Poythress and if we make John P. Poythress also the son of James P. Poythress then the two are likely brothers. And I'd be inclined to make Vern and John B. cousins coming down William E's line and I'd make Gene a cousin coming down the John P(rice?) Poythress line? And, while another "common ancestor" may indeed exist back many generations, the most immediate common ancestor would be James P. Poythress of Screven Co, GA and Gadsden Co, FL. Just a stab in the dark. Maynard

Dear Poythress-List & participants, This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study. The Study now has 11 participants. Most participants signed up in 2003 and ordered the 25-marker test. For the 2 most recent participants, we're getting results from the newer, more detailed, 37-marker test. The first one of those 37-marker tests' results became available today for Vern, who knows he is a gg-grandson of William E. Poythress (who lived in Georgia from 1833-1907) & Martha J. Usher. Vern's first 25 markers are exactly the same as those for John B. Poythress, who also knows he is a gg-grandson of William E. Poythress (who lived in Georgia from 1833-1907) & Martha J. Usher. Further: Vern's first 25 markers are also exactly the same as those for Gene Poythress, Sr, of Florida, who knows that he is a grandson of John P.(probably Price) Poythress (who lived in Florida from 1833-1905) & Mary Ann Dolan. Several other participants' markers differ by one marker, and by only one "repeat" from Vern's: - Bud's marker #458 has 17 "repeats" where Vern & Gene & John B have 16 - Maynard's marker #458 has only 15 "repeats" where Vern & Gene & John B. have 16 - Karl, David, Kevin, & Dale's marker #464-c have only 16 "repeats" where Vern, Gene, John B., Bud & Maynard all have 17 I find it odd that Bud's and Maynard's markers #458 vary in opposite directions (+1 repeat, and -1 repeat) from those of known descendants of Georgian Wm E Poythress & a contemporary of Wm's, Floridian John P. Poythress. I'm hoping for some enlightening help from the below upcoming results and requests. RESULTS to come soon: 1. We are currently awaiting test clarification on one participant who only had the 12-marker test run. He had one of his 12 markers (#393) initially show up as being one "repeat" less than that of every other Poythress man's first 12 markers, so we have asked that his test be re-done to be sure that marker is different. 2. In several weeks, we should have 37-marker test results for Neil Sr., who knows he is a ggg-grandson of Lewis Poythress who lived from approximately the middle of the 1700s to about the middle of the 1800s in Virginia 3. Also in several weeks, we'll have results on two tests that will further refine Gene & Karl's results from the 25-markers to the 37-markers, so they can be more fully compared to the results from Vern and Neil. REQUESTS: 1. Refine: I would greatly appreciate it, if any of the others of you, who have had the 25-marker tests, would be willing to order the "Refine to 37 markers" test from Family Tree DNA. (The group-rate cost of the Refine 25-to-37 test is $59.) When a Refine test is run, no new swabs are needed; they just further test your original swab results. To order the Refine test, you must log in at www.familytreedna.com using your original kit number and your password/code number. An easy way to do that is to click on the link in one of their emails to you, since your kit number and code number are imbedded in that link. 2. More participants: If you are a man (or if you have a brother or male cousin of yours) who is of the Poythress surname, known to be born of a Poythress-surnamed man who was also the son of another Poythress-surnamed man, we would all greatly appreciate you joining our Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study. Much information about the easy test process (swabbing the inside of one's mouth) is available at www.familytreedna.com -- photos of the test kit and much other info. If I can answer any questions to help in the decision to participate, I'll be glad to do so -- just email me at bp_neal@earthlink.net

Just wanted to announce two arrivals to the Poythress line Neil and Mae Poythress of Aylette VA had a baby boy Dustin Bryce Poythress on May 5th and my sister, Erica of Gasburg VA, had a baby girl Mayzie Conner Wrenn on May 12. The name Mayzie was derived from our two grandfather's names, Maynie Clary (May) and Delzie Poythress (zie), I thought that was pretty original. Have a great weekend all! Teresa ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Lyn, can you please fill me in on the dates you may have for the lives & marriage of Sallie Poythress & William Tanner? I don't seem to have those. And is the Poythress "home place" at Blackridge that you mentioned the place we think that Lewis Poythress formerly lived, &/or that Lewis' son Thomas M Poythress lived?. Thanks, BPN

Maynard, we are still awaiting more than just the initial "12" marker results, so I'll pass on discussing it further for now, especially since I'm swapped on family elder-care stuff anyway at the moment <g> Yes, as Group Administrator of the Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Project, I do get the messages, so I don't need you to forward me a copy. Back to work now; hope to get caught up with all the P-List stuff eventually. It has been great to see the stuff Julie posted, though I still haven't had time to digest it all. BPN

I got an email saying we had a new testee on the DNA log so I went to check it out. I'm not sure I recognize who the "new guy" even is because I never saw the full list before..or maybe just wasn't smart enough to go get it. (I didn't need a password or anything this time..just clicked on the link). I'm guessing the new guy might be Vern Poythress who is a name I have not seen there before..the fellow who has written a shelf-full of theology books (of which I have only picked up enough on the net to know I'm 100% in agreement with the guy, my shortage of credentials on matters metaphysical notwithstanding). Did you get the same message? Since you haven't said anything I was sort of suspecting that since you yourself were naturally not a "participant" you might not have been on the mailing list to get what for them is likely a routine notice. If you don't have it I'll forward it to you. Since all of the participants have said with vigor that they had absolutely no "privacy" concerns in the matter of these tests would you like to send it to the board with summary observations that you're qualified to make and probably nobody else is? Maynard

I had never heard of it, until Marlene told me, but I asked my mother and two dentists and they said it is very true. Indians teeth are often different that "white people". Their canine's may be one group of teeth further back, and often they have one or two less teeth than white's. I've heard there's several different patterns. My great grandpa one 1/8th Indian and I think his teeth are different. Dentists can look and see teeth and like Marlene said, some of her family were asked by dentist if they were Indian because their teeth were in a different pattern. Before blood tests I hear it was a way of Identifying whether a person really was really Indian. That's all I know on this subject! I find it interesting though. Love, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "koswcartist" <koswcartist@socal.rr.com> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Pleasant Hill > Curiousity...what do you mean by an indian tooth pattern. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:27 AM > Subject: Pleasant Hill > > >> I found Marlene in a round about way. I got the death certificate for > James >> Lundy Clary. It told he was buried in Old Pleasant Hill Christian church. > I >> wondered hopefully if his wife Betty Glover was buried beside him. I saw > the >> church had a web site, and I emailed the pastor and asked if by chance > Betty >> was buried beside him. He said she indeed was, and that Marlene a member > of >> the congregation would be kin to me then, and gave me her contact info. > Last >> July I went to visit her and she took me to the church so I could take >> pictures of the Clary/Glover stones to share with my family. I saw the >> Poythress stones there, but I had just run out of film. So I told Barbara >> I'd go back this summer and take pictures to make available for this >> list. >> >> Marlene said she had a relative who knew more about Clary questions I > asked, >> and I wonder if it was you that sent Clary answers to her for me. So I'll >> have to go back and reread her letters. >> >> One amazing thing to me is that Marlene said she grew up being told they >> were Indian from the Glover family and that they have a different teeth >> pattern like the Indians. I was curious, and already have a little >> Indian >> pride in, even though I am extremely pale and sunburn easy :). >> I saw her picture and was so surprised! She had thick beautiful long >> black >> Indian hair and there was no doubt she looked Indian. She is the only > Glover >> generation we have a picture of. I asked people from other Glover >> branches >> and they had heard rumors of being Indian too. And they had heard rumors. >> Sadly back then though, you had to hide being Indian and "live white" so > you >> didn't get put on a reservation. I do have a Cherokee gr.... grandma in >> another part of my family not connected to Mecklenburg. Even though we > have >> no other records for this grandma, because she had to hide her identity, > I'm >> glad she was able to live the life she chose rather than one that the >> government chose for her. >> >> Betty Glover married to James Lundy Clary has 4 other siblings. One is >> another Rehoboth church family, Christine "Minnie" Glover married to > Charles >> Tudor. Also two brother that moved to and lived in Lunenburg County. > Richard >> and Oliver. These are all children of Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd >> (John B. Kidd's daughter and sister in law to Virinda Jones) For some of > you >> not so familiar with this area, the families all criss cross a lot. And > this >> is Foxhall Poythress, Kidd, Cannon, Jones and Gray neighborhood even >> still >> today. >> >> So I was really quite shocked to see Betty Glover's picture and how >> definitely Indian she looked. Have any of you heard about Indians in this >> area so late as 1860's? >> Love, >> Julie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> >> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:55 AM >> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> >> >> > Julie, >> > I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's >> > first cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family >> > research >> > or personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys > Morris >> > Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister. >> > And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange? >> > Teresa >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> >> > To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM >> > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> > >> > >> >> Theresa, >> >> I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to >> >> Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's >> >> grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's >> >> sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son >> >> of >> >> Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness. > You >> >> can still see the stars here :) >> >> Love >> >> Julie >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Teresa Willis" <DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com> >> >> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> >> >> >> >> >>> Julie, >> >>> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few >> >>> times > a >> >>> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I > can >> >>> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then. >> >>> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest > children >> >>> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course >> >>> Fredericksburg was one of the stops. >> >>> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, & >> >>> Caroline County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my >> >>> daughters is considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall. >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Julie Cabitto" <juliemarie@worldnet.att.net> >> >>> To: <POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM >> >>> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Hey everyone, >> >>>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to > let >> >>>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the >> >>>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress >> >>>> actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can >> >>>> find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my >> >>>> direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to >> >>>> William Archer Dortch. >> >>>> >> >>>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to >> >>>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you >> >>>> get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in > the >> >>>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help >> >>>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and >> >>>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. >> >>>> Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed > up >> >>>> for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I >> >>>> haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure >> >>>> where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge >> >>>> here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 >> >>>> miles to the right and I'm in King George County. >> >>>> >> >>>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! > On >> >>>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days >> >>>> after >> >>>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which >> >>>> empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned > of >> >>>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but > I >> >>>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole >> >>>> street >> >>>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the > flooding >> >>>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't >> >>>> loose > a >> >>>> thing to flooding. >> >>>> >> >>>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 >> >>>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting > electricity. >> >>>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the >> >>>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great >> >>>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking > pictures >> >>>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had >> >>>> gotten >> >>>> so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden >> >>>> spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing >> >>>> traps >> >>>> made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago. >> >>>> >> >>>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River. >> >>>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on >> >>>> the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in >> >>>> the >> >>>> world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington >> >>>> kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of > the >> >>>> silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and >> >>>> that >> >>>> was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, >> >>>> over >> >>>> 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. >> >>>> There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other >> >>>> precious >> >>>> minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used > for >> >>>> foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own >> >>>> first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the >> >>>> buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that > happens >> >>>> whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like >> >>>> Fran) >> >>>> about every 25 ye! >> >>>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic >> >>>> river... >> >>>> >> >>>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel > the >> >>>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this >> >>>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in >> >>>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil >> >>>> Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets >> >>>> as >> >>>> other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing >> >>>> tobacco >> >>>> and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it. >> >>>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really >> >>>> strong undercurrents and tides. >> >>>> >> >>>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you. >> >>>> Love >> >>>> Julie >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> >>>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web >> >>>> www.poythress.net >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> >>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web >> >>> www.poythress.net >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >> >> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. 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