Yes, Barbara, briefly I'll share what pops up in my records and leave off the citations for now. Sallie POYTHRESS, born April 1860, Blackridge, VA, died 11 Dec 1932, Blackridge, VA; daughter of Thomas M. POYTHRESS and Lucy THOMAS William H. TANNER, born March 1859, Virginia, died ca 1910-12; son of William Henry TANNER and Eliza ??? I do not have a marriage record for Sallie and William, but estimate they were married around 1884-85. By "home place at Blackridge" I am referring to the residence of Thomas M. Poythress. However, land transactions would lead us to expect that the "home place" is on land once owned by Lewis Poythress. Whether Lewis resided at or near the site of the Thomas M. Poythress house, or is buried in the cemetery there, we cannot tell. -----Original Message----- From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:12 AM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: will of WL Poythress - Sallie Poythress & Wm Tanner; Poy homeplace Lyn, can you please fill me in on the dates you may have for the lives & marriage of Sallie Poythress & William Tanner? I don't seem to have those. And is the Poythress "home place" at Blackridge that you mentioned the place we think that Lewis Poythress formerly lived, &/or that Lewis' son Thomas M Poythress lived?. Thanks, BPN ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

Thanks so much, Lyn, for the clarification.

For clarification on future hunts thru our List-Archives (thanks, Lyn, for reminding me about that): The info from R. Bolling Batte's cards shows us that the William P. Poythress (middle name Powhatan) who owned Poythress Drug Company in Richmond, VA, was born about 1847, son of William Peterson Poythress & Charlotte Reed; William Peterson Poythress was son of Patrick Henry Poythress (b.about 1780; died 1822) & Mary Elizabeth Eppes; Patrick Henry Poythress was son of William Poythress & Mary Gilliam. Thus the druggist was NOT directly in the same line with Foxhall Alexander Poythress (b.Jan 1887; d.Aug 1932), who was the son of William Lewis Poythress (b.about 1843-44; d.about Jan 1915) & Ella Anna Jane Jones; William Lewis Poythress was the son of Thomas M. Poythress (b.about 1820-23; d.Jul 1891) & Lucy I. Thomas; Thomas M. Poythress was son of Lewis Poythress. So, the Richmond druggist could well be related to Foxhall & to all the rest of us Poythress folks, but at this point we don't know the connection. The Batte cards are accessible at the Library of Virginia website, at: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/bio/BA.html and Diana Diamond's wonderful work organizing info from many of Mr. Batte's cards can be found at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=va_families

Maynard, whatever was supposed to be "below" didn't make it when your message went thru RootsWeb. Can you clarify for me what you tried to attach, please? Thanks, Barbara 6/27/2005 John M. Poythress wrote: > Below is interesting new use for our DNA information. Obviously, we > wouldn't want to pay another crowd to provide the same information we > already have. The question for those of us who would want to "create > this record" though, is what do we save and how do we express it (in > writing)? Barbara, any guidance? Thanks, Maynard > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== > Poythress Genealogy Research Web > www.poythress.net

Anybody subscribe to the "plus" addition of this thing? I could use a copy of today's article on "Renaming lots of Image Files Quickly." Thanks, Maynard

Interesting post off today's VA-Southside board. It's nicely paragraphed but the Rootsweb system will probably truncate it; sorry about that. Maynard Why and when many of the settlers migrated? During the 1740s, travel in the Colonies was very restricted. It is said that many settlers of that time period rarely traveled more than 20 miles during their lifetime. However, this was not necessarily true for the Scottish immigrants, who moved often to keep away from the encroaching settlements in search of new land. So, they moved to the back country where the hills and mountains reminded them of home. Restricted migration was especially true in the area which became NC. In NC there was almost no travel except through the coastal towns. And, settlers in NC west of those coastal towns were nearly non existent. Generally, settlement did not start until the 1750s. Inland travel by settlers in VA began during the 1740s and was only by the "Great Pennsylvania (GP) Wagon Road" and migration overland of hardy souls from the shores and river basins of the Chesapeake Bay by the "Upper Road" or the "Fall Line Road". The "Upper Road" branched in Spotsylvania County and went through Orange County, NC. During the 1740s, the proprietary governor of the Granville District began to issue grants to Quakers and others from the tidewater counties of VA, attracting them into the northern half of NC. By 1750, the "Upper Road" became an important wagon route for southbound migrations into that portion of NC. Many of the families in viz of Culpepper/Spotsylvania/Orange Cos, VA went with the migration to Orange Co., NC which started at the Bermuda Hundred on the James River in Virginia. via the old Occaneechee Indian Path which went through Orange County, NC. And, later went through NC to SC in the area that became Pendleton District, SC, where my gggg grandfather Andrew Caddel later settled after 1800. Many of Andrew CADDEL's neighbors in Orange County, NC - the Leas, Greens, Hendersons, McNeills, Andersons and other allied families, came from the counties of Spotsylvania, Hanover, New Kent, Prince George, Charles City, James City, and Surry of VA . Travel along these roads was extremely slow because of the many rivers, mountainous areas, and dense forests across VA and NC. During the 1740s, only the "G P Wagon Road" could handle any volume of travelers. A treaty with the Indians in 1744 gave the white men control of the "Roads" for the first time. At the time they were only foot paths a few feet wide where settlers walked and lead pack animals. They were previously Indian trails used to trade or make war along the frontier, and generally followed the Appalachian Mountains. Travel by wagon was almost impossible. During 1765 - 1775, more and more settlers came, clearing the paths wide enough to accommodate wagons. However, by that time, Andrew Caddel (my ancestor) had already been in NC for over 10 years. Even the best of wagons could travel no more than five miles a day. Later the "GP Wagon Road" traversed the Colonies from Pennsylvania (PA) to Georgia, a distance of 800 miles. The French and Indian War (1753 - 1763) severely restricted travel. The British and French finally reached an agreement on 10 Feb 1763, the Treaty of Paris, which gave the British all the land east of the Mississippi River. Prior to that there was no westward migration And, the peace treaty signed in 1763 provided that no British settlements were allowed west of the Appalachian Mountains. This land to the west was set aside as Indian hunting grounds. This increased the migration south along the GP Wagon Road to escape the war. After peace was declared, settler migration expanded. In the fall and winter of 1765 more than a thousand wagons passes through western NC. The proclamation of 1763, which prohibited westward settlement, angered the colonists and established a beginning point which culminated in the Revolutionary War with England. Bill Caddell

Below is interesting new use for our DNA information. Obviously, we wouldn't want to pay another crowd to provide the same information we already have. The question for those of us who would want to "create this record" though, is what do we save and how do we express it (in writing)? Barbara, any guidance? Thanks, Maynard

Thank you Randy for your prompt reply. We can all get things a bit garbled at times. Deloris -----Original Message----- From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:32 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Joshua and Thomas Wynne I apologize for garbling my post. I obviously meant Joshua Wynne (c.1663-1715), the Indian trader/interpreter , and his Thomas (1657-c.1718), sons of Robert Wynne. Randy Jones Deloris Riley <delorisriley@satx.rr.com> wrote: In reviewing some of my past e-mails, I see that Randy Jones sent one on April 16, 2005, in which he is discussing Abraham Wood and he states, ". . . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora, the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians. . . " My questions are: Has it ever been proven that Joshua Wynne was son of Col Robert by his marriage to Mary Poythress? Has it ever been proven that Mary Francis' maiden name was "Sloman"? Is Mr. Jones actually referring to Joshua Wynne and his brother Thomas, or to Joshua and Thomas Poythress? I am a bit confused. I don't believe Joshua Wynne ever went by "Joshua Poythress" (there was another Joshua Poythress, however). Deloris Wynne-Riley ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

I apologize for garbling my post. I obviously meant Joshua Wynne (c.1663-1715), the Indian trader/interpreter , and his Thomas (1657-c.1718), sons of Robert Wynne. Randy Jones Deloris Riley <delorisriley@satx.rr.com> wrote: In reviewing some of my past e-mails, I see that Randy Jones sent one on April 16, 2005, in which he is discussing Abraham Wood and he states, ". . . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora, the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians. . . " My questions are: Has it ever been proven that Joshua Wynne was son of Col Robert by his marriage to Mary Poythress? Has it ever been proven that Mary Francis' maiden name was "Sloman"? Is Mr. Jones actually referring to Joshua Wynne and his brother Thomas, or to Joshua and Thomas Poythress? I am a bit confused. I don't believe Joshua Wynne ever went by "Joshua Poythress" (there was another Joshua Poythress, however). Deloris Wynne-Riley ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out!

Deloris, I'll say up front that I'm not going to be able to answer your primary question - Mary Francis' name was "Sloman", etc.? - because I can't. I don't remember seeing the posting you refer to, but it looks to me, at first glance, that some of that information is garbled. It was Peter Poythress, son of John and Christian (Peebles) Poythress, who was the well-known Indian interpreter. And he was, indeed, sent to negotiate (which includes the job of interpreting) with the Tuscorora Indians in 1711 [Ex. Council Col. Va. 3-284]. Peter did have a brother named Joshua, but insofar as I know, did not have a brother named Thomas. Peter is the only one of the Poythresses of which I'm aware who was an Indian interpreter. So it doesn't seem to fit any data as I know it. On the other hand, if there's real evidence of other Poythress involvement in other Indian negotiations "out there," I'd sure like to know more about this, so I can follow up on it. Lou -----Original Message----- From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:20 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Joshua and Thomas Wynne In reviewing some of my past e-mails, I see that Randy Jones sent one on April 16, 2005, in which he is discussing Abraham Wood and he states, ". . . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora, the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians. . . " My questions are: Has it ever been proven that Joshua Wynne was son of Col Robert by his marriage to Mary Poythress? Has it ever been proven that Mary Francis' maiden name was "Sloman"? Is Mr. Jones actually referring to Joshua Wynne and his brother Thomas, or to Joshua and Thomas Poythress? I am a bit confused. I don't believe Joshua Wynne ever went by "Joshua Poythress" (there was another Joshua Poythress, however). Deloris Wynne-Riley ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

In reviewing some of my past e-mails, I see that Randy Jones sent one on April 16, 2005, in which he is discussing Abraham Wood and he states, ". . . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora, the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians. . . " My questions are: Has it ever been proven that Joshua Wynne was son of Col Robert by his marriage to Mary Poythress? Has it ever been proven that Mary Francis' maiden name was "Sloman"? Is Mr. Jones actually referring to Joshua Wynne and his brother Thomas, or to Joshua and Thomas Poythress? I am a bit confused. I don't believe Joshua Wynne ever went by "Joshua Poythress" (there was another Joshua Poythress, however). Deloris Wynne-Riley

With thanks to Judy Scruggs, I read today the Meridian, Mississippi obit for Dr. Tom Lawrence, who we had lately mentioned on the List re whether he still had for sale books by his late wife, Betty Lawrence, including her book on the Poythress family. His & Betty's kin are spread across the U.S. according to the obit, but only one child was mentioned: their son who is a judge: "Judge Tom Lawrence and his wife, Mickey, of Houston, Texas." So if one is interested in obtaining a copy of Betty's books that Dr. Tom Lawrence published as Mount Barton Publishers in Meridian, the son would be the logical person to try first. His obit appeared in The Meridian Star (www.meridianstar.com) where one can register free to read obits online. He died 16 June 2005 at age 87; he was to be buried yesterday at Magnolic Cemetery in Meridian after his funeral at Stephens Funeral Home Chapel. His obit clarified info I had tried to mention on the List recently. Facts I learned in the obit include that he was "a member of the W.D. Cameron Chapter of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, where he served in many offices including Camp Commander. His most important project was the preservation of the Lauderdale Springs Cemetery which contained the graves of soldiers killed during the War Between the States. His chapter along with his wife's Winnie Davis Chapter of the Daughters of the Confederacy has worked to identify the names of the soldiers buried there and to purchase headstones to commemorate their service. He spearheaded the creation of a perpetual fund to insure the maintenance of the cemetery forever." I had thought he was an M.D., but I learned he was a Chiropractor & had entered practice with his father; he retired in 1985. For yrs he was "recognized as a national leader" with the American Chiropractic Assoc. He was a WWII vet (U.S. Army). He was also a member of the Sons of the American Revolution, thru which he received various medals. He created a critically acclaimed lecture series called "American History and Our Heritage" at the Meridian Community College. Further he set up lecture teams to visit schools to talk about American history. He was quite a writer & speaker himself. He was a founder of the Meridian Symphony Orchestra & the Meridian Jr Chamber of Commerce. He was an Optimist; he served on the city Planning Commission for 38 yrs; he was quite active working on various community projects including Little League & Boy Scouts. His many accomplishments led to him being named an "Unsung Hero" by The Meridian Star newspaper in Feb of this yr.

Off to the wilds of NC at dawn:30...back next Monday. If you try to email me you'll likely find mail box full as BellSouth has this habit of tossing my DSL connection couple of times a day so email will not be transferred to my harddrive and the BellSouth mailbox will fill up quickly and start rejecting. Maynard

Ab....so....lutely!! MP -----Original Message----- From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:03 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Argall And, alas, it probably has a generous sprinkling of the author's imagination stirred into the whole. When someone goes that far to be creative, it ain't likely to be factual history. Lou -----Original Message----- From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 4:47 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Argall Argall..is a novel by William T. Vollman about the history of early Virginia built around the relationship between Pocahontas and John Smith...and later John Rolfe. It is a 746 page hardbound brainbuster written in what is presumably period English. Unless you have an obsessive interest in the subjects, I don't particularly recommend it unless you are confined to quarters for the next two weeks or so. It can be found in remainder shelves and on the 'net for usually less than 5 bucks..something of a testimony as to how well it sold I imagine. However, as I was slogging though it I marked a few quotes that resonated slightly with me for future reference and will share them: John Smith: "I once read in an old Almanacke, that the principal duty of a Navigator is to know where he is. Welladay, and how to do that here in Virginia? Rivers and streams, to be sure, make faultless landmarks, but what of this darkness to starboard and larboard? And as for wooddes and hedges with such like, the Almanacke sayeth, these are not to be marked, because suche things may be cut or felled downe, and so youre marke is lost: Wherfore hylles, vales, cliftes, and Castels, with stepels and Churches, are the beste and most surest markes, that may or can be taken, and are better than hedgrowes, wooddes or trees." [wonder why those guys writing the land patents didn't realize this? <g>] "But now upon Newporte's (governor) council they do reinstate malignant Ratcliffe to the Counsell! Additionally, they install .2. pawns by name Captaine Waldo & Captaine Wynne." [Robert Wynne?]. "That subtle old Powhatan was the veriest Tymor, who, did Sweet John place himself in his power, would traduce or e'en murther him; so he could never accompt himself safe! (Not that his own Countreymen at James Towne were any less treacherous, but their plottings he could more easily comprehend in the o'erhearing)." "...Rebecca (Pocahontas) was standing without their croft with the child in her arms. Venus was already out, and the other night stars were gaining power. Down Thomas's (Rolfe) shirt filed an army of little buttons. Sir Thomas Dale (governor), after whom he'd been named, had granted him that gift upon his christening." "Thomas Rolfe knows not whether to sit or to stand, for all that these Salvages are his relations. Is this dance meant to be for him? He gazes at his uncle (Opechancanough), who continues to watch him most smilingly. He married with a well-to-do Englishwoman named Jane Poythress, on whom he begat a daughter. What lands he got into his tenure, 'tis not written (altho' I've heard he did make a pretty little garden in the English manner). Some say that Powahatan bequeathed him many acres, but 'tis surely folly to ascribe anything like akin to duty to such an ignorant old Salvage. This Jane of his, the World remembers her not. Nor do we ken anything about his daughter's moral color. I hope that her family continued to be of such repute (at least on her father's side) that some gold-Adventurer took her to wife. Of this I'm sure: Ready money cannot have been lacking to pay her marriage-portion. But concerning her father, what were his doings in that parish, & how his life and death turn'd out, are matters engross'd in many documents (I misdoubt me not) but all these got burn'd in 1865, at the end of the American Civil War. Hence no one even knows whether he remained alive after 1658, by which time it had coincidentally become illegal for Englishmen in Virginia to marry with Negroes, mulattoes, or Indians such as his late mother." "Very little can now be discovered of the subsequent history of these tribes severally, wrote Jefferson in his Notes on the State of Virginia. To him, as to John Rolfe and John Smith, their vanquishment was as natural as the rule of husband over wife...Thus, the Virginian Salvages, whom old chroniclers once described as tall, comely, strong and active, now sink beneath the mold." "Jefferson continues: The Chicahominies removed, about the year 1661, to Mattapony river.This seems to have been the last chapter in their history. They retained however their separate name as late as 1705, and were at length blended with the Pamunkies and Mattaponies, and exist at present only under their names." "For this Never-Never Viginia, the only one in which Powhatan still reigns today, is depicted on the title page of his (John Smith's) Generall Historie." I found it interesting...and as one can quickly gather Vollman does not paint a favorable picture of the English adventurers. If I didn't have anything better to do, I'd likely read the book again..but I wouldn't be caught actually recommending it. It's just too quirky.. obscure terminology, strange syntax, switching timeframes of references...just plain hard work to keep up with the author who seems in a world of his own. Maynard ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/

Argall..is a novel by William T. Vollman about the history of early Virginia built around the relationship between Pocahontas and John Smith...and later John Rolfe. It is a 746 page hardbound brainbuster written in what is presumably period English. Unless you have an obsessive interest in the subjects, I don't particularly recommend it unless you are confined to quarters for the next two weeks or so. It can be found in remainder shelves and on the 'net for usually less than 5 bucks..something of a testimony as to how well it sold I imagine. However, as I was slogging though it I marked a few quotes that resonated slightly with me for future reference and will share them: John Smith: "I once read in an old Almanacke, that the principal duty of a Navigator is to know where he is. Welladay, and how to do that here in Virginia? Rivers and streams, to be sure, make faultless landmarks, but what of this darkness to starboard and larboard? And as for wooddes and hedges with such like, the Almanacke sayeth, these are not to be marked, because suche things may be cut or felled downe, and so youre marke is lost: Wherfore hylles, vales, cliftes, and Castels, with stepels and Churches, are the beste and most surest markes, that may or can be taken, and are better than hedgrowes, wooddes or trees." [wonder why those guys writing the land patents didn't realize this? <g>] "But now upon Newporte's (governor) council they do reinstate malignant Ratcliffe to the Counsell! Additionally, they install .2. pawns by name Captaine Waldo & Captaine Wynne." [Robert Wynne?]. "That subtle old Powhatan was the veriest Tymor, who, did Sweet John place himself in his power, would traduce or e'en murther him; so he could never accompt himself safe! (Not that his own Countreymen at James Towne were any less treacherous, but their plottings he could more easily comprehend in the o'erhearing)." "...Rebecca (Pocahontas) was standing without their croft with the child in her arms. Venus was already out, and the other night stars were gaining power. Down Thomas's (Rolfe) shirt filed an army of little buttons. Sir Thomas Dale (governor), after whom he'd been named, had granted him that gift upon his christening." "Thomas Rolfe knows not whether to sit or to stand, for all that these Salvages are his relations. Is this dance meant to be for him? He gazes at his uncle (Opechancanough), who continues to watch him most smilingly. He married with a well-to-do Englishwoman named Jane Poythress, on whom he begat a daughter. What lands he got into his tenure, 'tis not written (altho' I've heard he did make a pretty little garden in the English manner). Some say that Powahatan bequeathed him many acres, but 'tis surely folly to ascribe anything like akin to duty to such an ignorant old Salvage. This Jane of his, the World remembers her not. Nor do we ken anything about his daughter's moral color. I hope that her family continued to be of such repute (at least on her father's side) that some gold-Adventurer took her to wife. Of this I'm sure: Ready money cannot have been lacking to pay her marriage-portion. But concerning her father, what were his doings in that parish, & how his life and death turn'd out, are matters engross'd in many documents (I misdoubt me not) but all these got burn'd in 1865, at the end of the American Civil War. Hence no one even knows whether he remained alive after 1658, by which time it had coincidentally become illegal for Englishmen in Virginia to marry with Negroes, mulattoes, or Indians such as his late mother." "Very little can now be discovered of the subsequent history of these tribes severally, wrote Jefferson in his Notes on the State of Virginia. To him, as to John Rolfe and John Smith, their vanquishment was as natural as the rule of husband over wife...Thus, the Virginian Salvages, whom old chroniclers once described as tall, comely, strong and active, now sink beneath the mold." "Jefferson continues: The Chicahominies removed, about the year 1661, to Mattapony river.This seems to have been the last chapter in their history. They retained however their separate name as late as 1705, and were at length blended with the Pamunkies and Mattaponies, and exist at present only under their names." "For this Never-Never Viginia, the only one in which Powhatan still reigns today, is depicted on the title page of his (John Smith's) Generall Historie." I found it interesting...and as one can quickly gather Vollman does not paint a favorable picture of the English adventurers. If I didn't have anything better to do, I'd likely read the book again..but I wouldn't be caught actually recommending it. It's just too quirky.. obscure terminology, strange syntax, switching timeframes of references...just plain hard work to keep up with the author who seems in a world of his own. Maynard

And, alas, it probably has a generous sprinkling of the author's imagination stirred into the whole. When someone goes that far to be creative, it ain't likely to be factual history. Lou -----Original Message----- From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 4:47 PM To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Argall Argall..is a novel by William T. Vollman about the history of early Virginia built around the relationship between Pocahontas and John Smith...and later John Rolfe. It is a 746 page hardbound brainbuster written in what is presumably period English. Unless you have an obsessive interest in the subjects, I don't particularly recommend it unless you are confined to quarters for the next two weeks or so. It can be found in remainder shelves and on the 'net for usually less than 5 bucks..something of a testimony as to how well it sold I imagine. However, as I was slogging though it I marked a few quotes that resonated slightly with me for future reference and will share them: John Smith: "I once read in an old Almanacke, that the principal duty of a Navigator is to know where he is. Welladay, and how to do that here in Virginia? Rivers and streams, to be sure, make faultless landmarks, but what of this darkness to starboard and larboard? And as for wooddes and hedges with such like, the Almanacke sayeth, these are not to be marked, because suche things may be cut or felled downe, and so youre marke is lost: Wherfore hylles, vales, cliftes, and Castels, with stepels and Churches, are the beste and most surest markes, that may or can be taken, and are better than hedgrowes, wooddes or trees." [wonder why those guys writing the land patents didn't realize this? <g>] "But now upon Newporte's (governor) council they do reinstate malignant Ratcliffe to the Counsell! Additionally, they install .2. pawns by name Captaine Waldo & Captaine Wynne." [Robert Wynne?]. "That subtle old Powhatan was the veriest Tymor, who, did Sweet John place himself in his power, would traduce or e'en murther him; so he could never accompt himself safe! (Not that his own Countreymen at James Towne were any less treacherous, but their plottings he could more easily comprehend in the o'erhearing)." "...Rebecca (Pocahontas) was standing without their croft with the child in her arms. Venus was already out, and the other night stars were gaining power. Down Thomas's (Rolfe) shirt filed an army of little buttons. Sir Thomas Dale (governor), after whom he'd been named, had granted him that gift upon his christening." "Thomas Rolfe knows not whether to sit or to stand, for all that these Salvages are his relations. Is this dance meant to be for him? He gazes at his uncle (Opechancanough), who continues to watch him most smilingly. He married with a well-to-do Englishwoman named Jane Poythress, on whom he begat a daughter. What lands he got into his tenure, 'tis not written (altho' I've heard he did make a pretty little garden in the English manner). Some say that Powahatan bequeathed him many acres, but 'tis surely folly to ascribe anything like akin to duty to such an ignorant old Salvage. This Jane of his, the World remembers her not. Nor do we ken anything about his daughter's moral color. I hope that her family continued to be of such repute (at least on her father's side) that some gold-Adventurer took her to wife. Of this I'm sure: Ready money cannot have been lacking to pay her marriage-portion. But concerning her father, what were his doings in that parish, & how his life and death turn'd out, are matters engross'd in many documents (I misdoubt me not) but all these got burn'd in 1865, at the end of the American Civil War. Hence no one even knows whether he remained alive after 1658, by which time it had coincidentally become illegal for Englishmen in Virginia to marry with Negroes, mulattoes, or Indians such as his late mother." "Very little can now be discovered of the subsequent history of these tribes severally, wrote Jefferson in his Notes on the State of Virginia. To him, as to John Rolfe and John Smith, their vanquishment was as natural as the rule of husband over wife...Thus, the Virginian Salvages, whom old chroniclers once described as tall, comely, strong and active, now sink beneath the mold." "Jefferson continues: The Chicahominies removed, about the year 1661, to Mattapony river.This seems to have been the last chapter in their history. They retained however their separate name as late as 1705, and were at length blended with the Pamunkies and Mattaponies, and exist at present only under their names." "For this Never-Never Viginia, the only one in which Powhatan still reigns today, is depicted on the title page of his (John Smith's) Generall Historie." I found it interesting...and as one can quickly gather Vollman does not paint a favorable picture of the English adventurers. If I didn't have anything better to do, I'd likely read the book again..but I wouldn't be caught actually recommending it. It's just too quirky.. obscure terminology, strange syntax, switching timeframes of references...just plain hard work to keep up with the author who seems in a world of his own. Maynard ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web www.poythress.net

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Hi Andie, (1) In answer to your question, as the Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study Group Administrator I cannot "get my hands on" your results. (2) The markers from the mtDNA test and from the Y-DNA test aren't in the least directly comparable to each other. The mtDNA markers come from the maternal line and the Y-DNA markers come from the paternal line. (3) Even so, your mtDNA (maternal DNA) results might well be of interest to others who might have ordered their own mtDNA tests. No one has mentioned to me having chosen to order a mt-DNA test, but there is no reason they would have mentioned it to me. Thus if you wish to make your test results available to anyone on our Poythress-List you could certainly just send a message to the list & either (a) just invite anyone with mtDNA results who wishes to compare theirs with yours, to write to you directly (off-List); or (b) include your mtDNA results in a message to the List if you wish. Happy hunting for your maternal ancestors- Barbara Poythress Neal

Barbara, is there any way you can "get your hands" on my WINN DNA project results? I haven't received the results yet myself but it shouldn't be long now. I took the mtDNA test due to my interest in establishing the fact that some of the WINN women on my line were Cherokee and Chocktaw Indian. I am a POYTHRESS descendant. Would it be of any interest to the POYTHRESS data to know what my results are? If so, perhaps you could obtain them for inclusion in the POYTHRESS data if I give you my password and kit number. Shall I do that? I asked the lab to make th data available to the MATLOCK family and to the POYTHRESS family but I don't believe they will do that. Therefore, we need to do it ourselves if we want to blend the info. Are you interested? Marian Aiice Andrea Harris "Andie"

Dear All, The full results are NOT yet available on our known descendant of Lewis Poythress (who lived from mid-1700s to mid-1800s). He had the 37-marker test. Only his first 12 markers' results are available so far. On his initial 12 markers, his reading is different on one marker (#439) by having one fewer "repeat" than ANY of the other Poythress men tested to date. His other 11 markers are identical to the others (except for the one man whose test we asked to be re-examined). I'm away in Texas at a family reunion for my mother's line this weekend, and I doubt if we'll have his further results for several days, but I wanted to keep you posted. Your volunteer Group Administrator for the Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study, Barbara Poythress Neal