List Am asking your help in my contacting Mr. Brian Swann as I have some info. and data that may be of interest to him, as well as others. I have received no reply from his e-mail address (possibly old) at _bps@norvic.force9.net_ (mailto:bps@norvic.force9.net) <Newtown, Wales, UK October 6, 2007 2:30 pm "DNA Y-Chromosome Analysis and Welsh Family History - A New Strategic Approach" Speaker: Brian P. Swann Montgomeryshire FHS Newtown, Montgomeryshire, UK FREE - public welcome> If the POWYS list people are interested, the following was my message to him: For Brian Swann. Found your address with a Google search. The International Society of Genetic Genealogy posted the below info. regarding your talk. Sorry that I learned of it too late to write to you. I have a success story which may be of interest for your next talk. Briefly: I have a paper trail back to N. Wales c. 1500 and a pedigree (Bartrum and Dwnn) back to Rhirid Flaidd Lord of Penllyn b. c. 1150 and into the mists (myths?) of time to Cunedda Wledig. In 2006, by good fortune, I found a Y ch., 36/37 marker match with someone I had never known. We have the same surname and a MRCA Cadwalader Ellis b. c. 1655 in Bala (Penllyn). He had a paper trail back to one son of our common ancestor who had two sons: The older son is my line and the younger one his line. His name is James Ellis and lives in the States as I do. Should you wish further info. let me know. Glad to see someone is promoting DNA and Genealogy in Wales. Regards, Lloyd Ellis San Antonio, Texas ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com