I have recently received the marriage certificate of Mary Jones of Gwanafon, Trefeglwys [father Edward Jones, deceased] and William Francis of Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys which opened up a possible crack of a door for us with regard to Roger's "Jones" grandmother, and our assumption that Mary's family centres around Rhyd y carw Mill, Gwanafon Farm and ?*? in Llanllwchairn in 1901. On the 1901 census, RG13/5196, Folio 139, Pg 10, Llanllwchairn, District 9, Phoebe [Davies] Jones [whom I assume is Mary's mother; father Edward is deceased] is living at "Miodd Hendidley" with her son, David, and nephew, Evan E Jones. Is anyone able to correct my spelling of this residence/farm and provide any information on the meaning of the name. Would the farm be in the township of Hendidley, rather than Hendidley being part of the farm name? I may be completely off track with my assumption, and would appreciate input from any list member who can tell me that Roger's family cannot be from this line as their own research has been proven to include Phoebe Jones and that she didn't have a daughter Mary who married into the Bwlchyllyn Francis family. FYI, Mary died in 1899 at Bwlchyllyn, Oakley Park, Llanidloes UD giving birth to Roger's aunt, Mary aka Maisie. His mother, Gwladys, was born in 1897 at Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys. I have ordered Mary's birth certificate but have not yet received it . she was born in November 1869 . her birthdate was taken from her and William's headstone at the Dol Halfren Cemetery in Llanidloes. Does anyone know if Bwlchyllyn, Oakley Park, Llanidloes and Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys would be the same property but the description would be different in 1895 [marriage certificate] and 1899 [death certificate]? I don't want to proceed to order a number of related marriage and death certificates if we are going in the wrong direction and will appreciate any input offered. A lot of questions which I hope are clearly stated. Thanks for your assistance. Carrol Drew Researching: Drew and Price in Radnorshire; Francis and Jones in Montgomeryshire

Pam and John Thank you for replying to my query re Jones' of Trefeglwys. I appreciate your input. John, have you explained, in an archived message, how to locate the SO# for farms; if so, would you please direct me to that message. I don't have luck very often finding a property. Carrol -----Original Message----- From: Carrol Drew [mailto:carrol.drew@sympatico.ca] Sent: November 28, 2007 7:36 PM To: POWYS@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] MGY: Jones, Trefeglwys and Llanllwchairn 1901 census I have recently received the marriage certificate of Mary Jones of Gwanafon, Trefeglwys [father Edward Jones, deceased] and William Francis of Bwlchyllyn, Trefeglwys which opened up a possible crack of a door for us

Carrol Drew <carrol.drew@sympatico.ca> wrote: John, have you explained, in an archived message, how to locate the SO# for farms; if so, would you please direct me to that message. I don't have luck very often finding a property. =================== Dear Carrol (and other interested listers), I have set out below the strategy I generally follow when attempting to locate a farm and find its UK Grid Reference. 1. Assuming you know the name of the farm, you first need to identify (e.g. from census records) the county and parish (or census district) in which the farm is/was situated. 2. From the same census records, make a note of the names of neighbouring farms or properties. You can find these by looking at the addresses of households enumerated immediately before and after the farm you are researching. 3. Now go to a modern Ordnance Survey map of the parish or area in question. Start with a 1:50,000-scale map from the 'Landranger' series. You'll find a list of 'Landranger' maps, and the areas they cover, on the 'Maps of Wales' feature on my website - www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/maps/os.htm#os Ideally you need to purchase the appropriate map, but you can study small sections of 'Landranger' maps on the Streetmaps website - www.streetmap.co.uk/ 4. Study the area (parish or census district) in which your farm is situated. If you're lucky, the farm may still exist and be named on the map. If it no longer exists, or if it is too small to be identified by name, look instead for one of the neighbouring farms. This will enable you to focus in on the geographical area where your farm was located. Now check the grid reference of the centre of this area. If you are using the Streetmap website, click on the link in the sentence "Click here to convert/measure coordinates " on a blue panel below the map. This will tell you the 'LR' (Landranger Reference), e.g. SO042283. Also make a note of the 'OSX' and 'OSY' figures which you'll need when using the Old-Maps website (see #7 below). If you are using the actual map, refer to the guidance notes on my 'Maps of Wales' webpages - www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/maps/ng.htm 5. Now switch to a larger scale modern Ordnance Survey map of the same area. A 1:25,000-scale map from the 'Explorer' series is ideal. Again, it is desirable to purchase the appropriate sheet, but you can study small sections of 'Explorer' maps on the Ordnance Survey's 'Get-A-Map' website - http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm 6. The larger-scale 'Explorer' maps show the names of smaller farms than 'Landranger' maps so you may find your farm is identified on the map. If not, at least one of the neighbouring farms should be identified. If you find the location of your farm on the 'Explorer' map, read off its grid reference after referring to the guidance notes on my website (as above). If you are using the 'Get-A-Map' website, recentre the map so your farm is in the exact centre of the map, then read off the grid reference from the information displayed under the map, where it is quoted in the sentence (e.g.) "Grid reference at centre - SO 042 283 GB Grid". 7. If you can't find your farm on either of the modern maps, try searching on the large-scale 19th century maps on the Old-Maps website - www.old-maps.co.uk To home in on the right area, enter the 'OSX' and 'OSY' figures obtained earlier into the co-ordinates search fields and click the GO button alongside. When the small map appears, click on the 'Enlarge Map' icon on the right-hand tab. A highly detailed map of the area will open in a new window. Searching this map carefully will usually reveal the farm you are seeking. Maneouvre the farm into the centre of the map and then read off the grid coordinates (e.g. 304200, 228300) from the top of the Old-Maps search box. I've employed the above search strategy for many years. I find it yields successful results about nine times out of ten. I'd be interested to know how other listers locate their ancestral properties and identify the relevant grid references. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Godre'r Graig, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists .