Hi Richard & fellow members I was very surprised at how many people are trying to help me to identify the uniform worn by my Thomas Jones on his photograph. Thank you all very much I am very grateful for all of your assistance and comments. I am fairly sure that Thomas Jones was musical that is why I thought of the Salvation Army but the initials are incorrect. Mainly my family like most Welsh people liked to sing. I do not recall any family member playing an instrument but I was only three years old when the photograph was taken. Kind regards Heather Smith I blew up the collar on my PC, and the left lapel just says "FL" like the right hand collar does, so it's probably not a government organization requiring personnel ID's to be visible on a uniform (like a police force). Heather : Do you know if your relative was musical? What was his profession right after WWII? I'm still of the inclination that it's a corporate 'logo' (rail, messenger, ferry etc) or some kind of band uniform perhaps? Like this: http://www.satiche.org.uk/vinbbp/phot5983.jpg However, I would tend to lean away from Railway as the cap is not consistent with the style of hats I've ever seen worn by railway employees. Richard Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:48 PM To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar I've looked at the image put up by Richard and I think it is quite certain that the left side of the collar bears at least two numerals. The first is certainly not 1, may even be 9 We have to think what organisation would have a corps of more than 20 men similarly attired. Gordon Behalf Of Richard Williams Sent: 12 November 2007 21:29 To: powys@rootsweb.com; eng-liverpool@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POWYS] Black or Navy Uniform with FL on the upright collar Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is looking into it for her. http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's Brigade etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was not uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their ribbons. So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some kind of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he was actually porter though! As such I have also cross-posted to the Liverpool (Lancs) board in case it's recognized there, since this kind of uniform might live-on only in the memory of a local. Richard Behalf Of Heather Smith Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil. Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal circle. The photo does not show the other side of his collar. Photograph taken by JEROME? Does anyone have any ideas at all, please? Thanks Heather